Improving natural attacks without Class Levels

[Vaz]

How do you improve your natural attacks? Without Shapechanging etc.

Spells, Powers, Feats, Magic Items etc?

[shadowseve]

How do you improve your natural attacks? Without Shapechanging etc.

Spells, Powers, Feats, Magic Items etc?

improved nat attack is the only way I know. Interesting that we posted somewhat similar questions at the same time. :smallbiggrin:

[Red Fel]

Obligatory handbook (http://brilliantgameologists.com/boards/index.php?topic=10994.0).

The easiest adjustment to natural attacks is to increase size. Spells like Enlarge Person or powers like Expansion are ideal for that.

[Psyren]

3.5 or PF?

PF has Strong Jaw, as well as the Powerful Shape feat.

3.5 has Sharptooth (SpC) though that is weaker and doesn't appear to be a druid spell.

[Andezzar]

If you are of the right type and have a pair of attacks (e.g. 2 claws) you can take Rapidstrike and Improved Rapidstrike.

The Amulet of Mighty Fists (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/magicItems/wondrousItems.htm#amuletofMightyFists) or the Necklace of Natural attacks (http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/fc/20060707a) should help.

There are lots of spells that improve all attacks and thus natural attacks as well. Are you looking for a particular type of improvement? Better AB? More Damage? On-Hit effects?

[aleucard]

There are several juicy things in the Tome of Battle (obviously), Snap Kick for instance (especially if you boost your Unarmed Strike damage).

On a similar note, would it make Unarmed Strike better if there were a Fist Wrap weapon that allows for enchanting of said Unarmed Strikes without dealing with the standard bull@#$^ rules for doing so to natural weapons?

[Andezzar]

On a similar note, would it make Unarmed Strike better if there were a Fist Wrap weapon that allows for enchanting of said Unarmed Strikes without dealing with the standard bull@#$^ rules for doing so to natural weapons?Not sure what you are talking about. Boxing gloves would occupy the hand slot, the Amulet of Mighty Fists/Necklace of Natural Attacks occupies the neck slot. So where is the difference?

@OP: Are you attempting to improve the Unarmed Strike or other Natural Attacks?

[Psyren]

Not sure what you are talking about. Boxing gloves would occupy the hand slot, the Amulet of Mighty Fists/Necklace of Natural Attacks occupies the neck slot. So where is the difference?

I think he wants some kind of item that occupies the Hands slot and allows your unarmed strike or hand-based natural attacks (e.g. claw and slam) to be enhanced/enchanted, but does not require a separate proficiency or have fixed damage dice (in the case of a monk user). For instance, spiked gauntlet is a hand weapon that can be enchanted, but monks are not proficient, they cannot use their unarmed damage dice with them and they cannot flurry in them.

[Andezzar]

The two items I mentioned do exactly that, except that they occupy the neck slot. Amulet of mighty Fists works for all natural weapons automatically, with the Necklace of Natural Attacks you need to pay extra for each natural weapon.

[aleucard]

The two items I mentioned do exactly that, except that they occupy the neck slot. Amulet of mighty Fists works for all natural weapons automatically, with the Necklace of Natural Attacks you need to pay extra for each natural weapon.

2 things. How many times the normal cost is it to do that than normal for a weapon, and how much of a pain in the ass is it to get those items rather than just take your weapon to the nearest Magic-Mart or however people get their weapons upgraded without getting new ones?

[Red Fel]

2 things. How many times the normal cost is it to do that than normal for a weapon, and how much of a pain in the ass is it to get those items rather than just take your weapon to the nearest Magic-Mart or however people get their weapons upgraded without getting new ones?

AoMF (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/magicItems/wondrousItems.htm#amuletofMightyFists) comes in only five flavors, no enhancing required. Buy it and it's good to go.

Necklace of Natural Attacks is enhanced exactly like a weapon is, down to the cost. It's the same cost to enhance the necklace as it is to enhance a sword. But note that the necklace actually carries a different "set" of enhancements for different natural weapons. For instance, claws are enhanced separately from bite, and from gore, and from slam.

Short version? Crazy easy to take care of.

[Telonius]

The "Bite of the Were-X" line of spells from the Spell Compendium can give you a bunch of bonuses to strength and natural attacks.

[Andezzar]

2 things. How many times the normal cost is it to do that than normal for a weapon, and how much of a pain in the ass is it to get those items rather than just take your weapon to the nearest Magic-Mart or however people get their weapons upgraded without getting new ones?Wondrous items can be improved just as easily as weapons and armor. Calculate the price for the item with the new properties and subtract the price of the old one.

Why would the local Magic-Mart (if it exists) stock +1 vermin bane Guisarmes but not a Necklace of Natural Attacks with the properties the character desires? Except for the most basic items I assume they are made to order anyways.

As for the pricing of the Necklace of Natural Attacks, it is very close to magic weapons. At worst the necklace (enhancing one natural weapon) is 300 gp more expensive than a weapon. I compared it to a +1 club, whose base item costs nothing.

[The Viscount]

The shaped and essentia effect of the Dread Carapace can give a boost to natural attacks, especially bite, though you'll need feats for essentia.

[Venger]

enlarge person, mighty wallop and imp might wallop are good, as are sharptooth and jagged tooth. silver fang sort of counts.

totem avatar bound to shoulder chakra improves size by +1

[Darrin]

The shaped and essentia effect of the Dread Carapace can give a boost to natural attacks, especially bite, though you'll need feats for essentia.

Shape Soulmeld: Totem Avatar and Open Lesser Chakra: Shoulders will also give your natural weapons a size increase.

[Coidzor]

Shape Soulmeld: Totem Avatar and Open Lesser Chakra: Shoulders will also give your natural weapons a size increase.

And Shape Soulmeld: Chaos Roc's Span(soulmeld from Dragon Magazine) + Open Lesser Chakra: Shoulders will give you a pair of wing buffet natural weapons(which are very hard to come by as far as I can tell) with Reach.

Shape Soulmeld: Sphinx Claws + Open Least Chakra: Hands will give something like pounce for natural weapons only(IIRC).

And there are spells and powers for opening chakras as well as gaining an essentia pool. I believe the powers have a slight edge on the spells though.