Someonelse
2014-06-07, 01:00 AM
I'm sure someone else must have thought of this before and posted it online, but I searched google and couldn't find any forum posts anywhere describing this method.
So I thought I'd post it here.
This can't possibly be legal, but I have spent several hours working on this and haven't found any solid, clearly stated rule that prevents it. Although I suppose I may have interpreted some rules a little, maybe.
I'm hoping the good people of this forum will help point out any flaws in this technique and tell me what you would do if you were the DM in this game.
I'll note that this uses something called a Bone Ring (it isn't vital to the whole concept, just something I threw in, but if I took it out now I would have to re-calculate all the numbers), a concept from a Monte Cook adventure, once you put the ring on and activate it the ring grafts itself to your finger bone and cannot be removed as long as the finger is alive, if you die or cut off your finger the ring can come off. It has a slight necromantic aura but is not evil. Although the game material we took this from gave no base price for a bone ring I think it's fair to assume that it would add about 1,000 gold to the total market value of the ring.
So the wizard in our party now has 9th level spells, he took Wish and offered to cast it for anyone who wants to spend the XP (come to think of it, I don't know if this is a house rule or a book rule, but it's something my group has always done, when crafting or doing anything else that costs XP we will allow for other people to spend the XP. This way, when the wizard takes craft magic arms and armor and the fighter wants a new sword, the wizard can enchant the sword and the fighter can spend the XP, which seems more fair than the fighter paying the wizard for the XP in gold, which is nice but it still puts the wizard behind the rest of the party in XP since he is probably the only one crafting magic items and he would have spent even more XP on all the stuff he wanted to craft just for himself. sorry to digress, I just wanted to clarify that).
To clarify, my character is a barbarian named Danzig (he actually has a pretty high intelligence and wisdom for a barbarian, which is the only way I can justify him thinking of this), the wizard is named Al Jabar.
Danzig goes to Al Jabar and asks "Would you please cast a spell for me? It has XP costs but I will pay all of it myself."
Al says, "Sure Danzig, what spell would you like me to cast?"
Danzig replies, "I would like you to cast Wish for me please."
To which Al replies, "Can it wait till morning? I've already cast all my 9th level spells today."
"Sure Al" says Danzig, and he waits patiently until the next morning. Once Al Jabar has prepared his spells they get together. Al Jabar asks Danzig if he is ready, when he says he is Al casts the spell and asks Danzig to make his Wish.
Danzig says, "I wish to possess a small gem enchanted with a one time use activation Wish spell at the 17th Wizard caster level that has a crafting bank of 4,454 XP."
For this, Danzig pays 9,394 XP. Danzig's Wish is granted without incident because it is an acceptable use of Wish according to the spell description. He thanks Al Jabar, who goes on with the rest of his life, curiously wondering why Danzig made such on odd wish.
Danzig hefts his new gem, he holds the gem before him and says, "I wish to possess a small gem enchanted with a one time use activation Wish spell at the 17th Wizard caster level that has a crafting bank of 4,605 XP."
Danzig's Wish is granted without incident because it is an acceptable use of Wish according to the spell description.
Danzig hefts his new gem, he holds the gem before him and says, "I wish to possess a small gem enchanted with a one time use activation Wish spell at the 17th Wizard caster level that has a crafting bank of 4,982 XP."
Danzig's Wish is granted without incident because it is an acceptable use of Wish according to the spell description.
Danzig hefts his new gem, he holds the gem before him and says, "I wish to possess a small gem enchanted with a one time use activation Wish spell at the 17th Wizard caster level that has a crafting bank of 5,925 XP."
Danzig's Wish is granted without incident because it is an acceptable use of Wish according to the spell description.
Danzig hefts his new gem, he holds the gem before him and says, "I wish to possess a small gem enchanted with a one time use activation Wish spell at the 17th Wizard caster level that has a crafting bank of 8,282 XP."
Danzig's Wish is granted without incident because it is an acceptable use of Wish according to the spell description.
Danzig hefts his new gem, he holds the gem before him and says, "I wish to possess a small gem enchanted with a one time use activation Wish spell at the 17th Wizard caster level that has a crafting bank of 14,173 XP."
Danzig's Wish is granted without incident because it is an acceptable use of Wish according to the spell description.
Danzig hefts his new gem, he holds the gem before him and says, "I wish to possess a small gem enchanted with a one time use activation Wish spell at the 17th Wizard caster level that has a crafting bank of 28,902 XP."
Danzig's Wish is granted without incident because it is an acceptable use of Wish according to the spell description.
Danzig hefts his new gem, he holds the gem before him and says, "I wish to possess a small gem enchanted with a one time use activation Wish spell at the 17th Wizard caster level that has a crafting bank of 65,725 XP."
Danzig's Wish is granted without incident because it is an acceptable use of Wish according to the spell description.
Danzig hefts his new gem, he holds the gem before him and says, "I wish to possess a small gem enchanted with a one time use activation Wish spell at the 17th Wizard caster level that has a crafting bank of 157,782 XP."
Danzig's Wish is granted without incident because it is an acceptable use of Wish according to the spell description.
Danzig hefts his new gem, he holds the gem before him and says, "I wish to possess a small gem enchanted with a one time use activation Wish spell at the 17th Wizard caster level that has a crafting bank of 387,924 XP."
Danzig's Wish is granted without incident because it is an acceptable use of Wish according to the spell description.
Danzig hefts his new gem, he holds the gem before him and says, "I wish to possess a small gem enchanted with a one time use activation Wish spell at the 17th Wizard caster level that has a crafting bank of 963,280 XP."
Danzig's Wish is granted without incident because it is an acceptable use of Wish according to the spell description.
Danzig hefts his new gem, he holds the gem before him and says, "I wish for a Slotless Bone Ring of Infinite Quickened Wishes cast at the 20th Wizard caster level with a crafting bank of 1,000,000 XP to appear on my left middle finger."
Danzig's Wish is granted without incident because it is an acceptable use of Wish according to the spell description.
Wish allows you to gain a magic item of any kind. Although it doesn't specify this, I assume you are forbidden from wishing for artifacts and relics. The only limitation to what you can wish for is the XP cost, you basically pay 8% of the market value of the item in XP, plus the 5,000 XP it costs to cast the spell. Just as a Golem Manual can hold XP, these gems and this ring can also hold XP. Thus, a ring of infinite wishes with a crafting bank full of XP means you can create whatever you need on the spot (quickened wish for a single use magic item of time stop or whatever other 9th level spell you want to cast that you can't duplicate with wish).
check my math. I actually had to do this 4 times because I kept screwing it up, but I'm pretty sure I got it right in the end.
Slotless Bone Ring of Infinite Quickened Wishes - (SpLv 13th x CL 20th x 2,000 Use activated) + (5,000 XP x 100 Unlimited Use) + One Million XP Crafting Bank (1,000,000 x 5) x 2 Slotless + 1,000 Bone Ring
((520,000 + 500,000 + 5,000,000) x 2) + 1,000 = 12,041,000 Gold = 963,280 XP
One Time Wish with 963,280 XP Crafting Bank
Spell (SpLv 9th x CL 17th x 50 One Time Use Activated) + XP Component (5,000 x 5) + Crafting Bank (963,280 x 5) =
32,650 + 4,816,400 = 4,849,050 Gold = 387,924 XP
One Time Wish with 387,924 XP Crafting Bank
Spell (SpLv 9th x CL 17th x 50 One Time Use Activated) + XP Component (5,000 x 5) + Crafting Bank (387,924 x 5) =
32,650 + 1,939,620 = 1,972,270 Gold = 157,782 XP
One Time Wish with 157,782 XP Crafting Bank
Spell (SpLv 9th x CL 17th x 50 One Time Use Activated) + XP Component (5,000 x 5) + Crafting Bank (157,782 x 5) =
32,650 + 788,910 = 821,560 Gold = 65,725 XP
One Time Wish with 65,725 XP Crafting Bank
Spell (SpLv 9th x CL 17th x 50 One Time Use Activated) + XP Component (5,000 x 5) + Crafting Bank (65,725 x 5) =
32,650 + 328,625 = 361,275 Gold = 28,902 XP
One Time Wish with 28,902 XP Crafting Bank
Spell (SpLv 9th x CL 17th x 50 One Time Use Activated) + XP Component (5,000 x 5) + Crafting Bank (28,902 x 5) =
32,650 + 144,510 = 177,160 Gold = 14,173 XP
One Time Wish with 14,173 XP Crafting Bank
Spell (SpLv 9th x CL 17th x 50 One Time Use Activated) + XP Component (5,000 x 5) + Crafting Bank (14,173 x 5) =
32,650 + 70,865 = 103,515 Gold = 8,282 XP
One Time Wish with 8,282 XP Crafting Bank
Spell (SpLv 9th x CL 17th x 50 One Time Use Activated) + XP Component (5,000 x 5) + Crafting Bank (8,282 x 5) =
32,650 + 41,410 = 74,060 Gold = 5,925 XP
One Time Wish with 5,925 XP Crafting Bank
Spell (SpLv 9th x CL 17th x 50 One Time Use Activated) + XP Component (5,000 x 5) + Crafting Bank (5,925 x 5) =
32,650 + 29,625 = 62,275 Gold = 4,982 XP
One Time Wish with 4,982 XP Crafting Bank
Spell (SpLv 9th x CL 17th x 50 One Time Use Activated) + XP Component (5,000 x 5) + Crafting Bank (4,982 x 5) =
32,650 + 24,910 = 57,560 Gold = 4,605 XP
One Time Wish with 4,605 XP Crafting Bank
Spell (SpLv 9th x CL 17th x 50 One Time Use Activated) + XP Component (5,000 x 5) + Crafting Bank (4,605 x 5) =
32,650 + 23,025 = 55,675 Gold = 4,454 XP
One Time Wish with 4,454 XP Crafting Bank
Spell (SpLv 9th x CL 17th x 50 One Time Use Activated) + XP Component (5,000 x 5) + Crafting Bank (4,454 x 5) =
32,650 + 22270 = 54920 Gold = 4,394 XP
This is where I decided to stop crunching numbers, but I could have kept on going and made it even cheaper. My goal was to get it under 10,000 XP since I'm not willing to spend more than that right now (and not until I level, I'm just 300 points away from Lv18 and I have to wait 3 weeks to play again!)
So I thought I'd post it here.
This can't possibly be legal, but I have spent several hours working on this and haven't found any solid, clearly stated rule that prevents it. Although I suppose I may have interpreted some rules a little, maybe.
I'm hoping the good people of this forum will help point out any flaws in this technique and tell me what you would do if you were the DM in this game.
I'll note that this uses something called a Bone Ring (it isn't vital to the whole concept, just something I threw in, but if I took it out now I would have to re-calculate all the numbers), a concept from a Monte Cook adventure, once you put the ring on and activate it the ring grafts itself to your finger bone and cannot be removed as long as the finger is alive, if you die or cut off your finger the ring can come off. It has a slight necromantic aura but is not evil. Although the game material we took this from gave no base price for a bone ring I think it's fair to assume that it would add about 1,000 gold to the total market value of the ring.
So the wizard in our party now has 9th level spells, he took Wish and offered to cast it for anyone who wants to spend the XP (come to think of it, I don't know if this is a house rule or a book rule, but it's something my group has always done, when crafting or doing anything else that costs XP we will allow for other people to spend the XP. This way, when the wizard takes craft magic arms and armor and the fighter wants a new sword, the wizard can enchant the sword and the fighter can spend the XP, which seems more fair than the fighter paying the wizard for the XP in gold, which is nice but it still puts the wizard behind the rest of the party in XP since he is probably the only one crafting magic items and he would have spent even more XP on all the stuff he wanted to craft just for himself. sorry to digress, I just wanted to clarify that).
To clarify, my character is a barbarian named Danzig (he actually has a pretty high intelligence and wisdom for a barbarian, which is the only way I can justify him thinking of this), the wizard is named Al Jabar.
Danzig goes to Al Jabar and asks "Would you please cast a spell for me? It has XP costs but I will pay all of it myself."
Al says, "Sure Danzig, what spell would you like me to cast?"
Danzig replies, "I would like you to cast Wish for me please."
To which Al replies, "Can it wait till morning? I've already cast all my 9th level spells today."
"Sure Al" says Danzig, and he waits patiently until the next morning. Once Al Jabar has prepared his spells they get together. Al Jabar asks Danzig if he is ready, when he says he is Al casts the spell and asks Danzig to make his Wish.
Danzig says, "I wish to possess a small gem enchanted with a one time use activation Wish spell at the 17th Wizard caster level that has a crafting bank of 4,454 XP."
For this, Danzig pays 9,394 XP. Danzig's Wish is granted without incident because it is an acceptable use of Wish according to the spell description. He thanks Al Jabar, who goes on with the rest of his life, curiously wondering why Danzig made such on odd wish.
Danzig hefts his new gem, he holds the gem before him and says, "I wish to possess a small gem enchanted with a one time use activation Wish spell at the 17th Wizard caster level that has a crafting bank of 4,605 XP."
Danzig's Wish is granted without incident because it is an acceptable use of Wish according to the spell description.
Danzig hefts his new gem, he holds the gem before him and says, "I wish to possess a small gem enchanted with a one time use activation Wish spell at the 17th Wizard caster level that has a crafting bank of 4,982 XP."
Danzig's Wish is granted without incident because it is an acceptable use of Wish according to the spell description.
Danzig hefts his new gem, he holds the gem before him and says, "I wish to possess a small gem enchanted with a one time use activation Wish spell at the 17th Wizard caster level that has a crafting bank of 5,925 XP."
Danzig's Wish is granted without incident because it is an acceptable use of Wish according to the spell description.
Danzig hefts his new gem, he holds the gem before him and says, "I wish to possess a small gem enchanted with a one time use activation Wish spell at the 17th Wizard caster level that has a crafting bank of 8,282 XP."
Danzig's Wish is granted without incident because it is an acceptable use of Wish according to the spell description.
Danzig hefts his new gem, he holds the gem before him and says, "I wish to possess a small gem enchanted with a one time use activation Wish spell at the 17th Wizard caster level that has a crafting bank of 14,173 XP."
Danzig's Wish is granted without incident because it is an acceptable use of Wish according to the spell description.
Danzig hefts his new gem, he holds the gem before him and says, "I wish to possess a small gem enchanted with a one time use activation Wish spell at the 17th Wizard caster level that has a crafting bank of 28,902 XP."
Danzig's Wish is granted without incident because it is an acceptable use of Wish according to the spell description.
Danzig hefts his new gem, he holds the gem before him and says, "I wish to possess a small gem enchanted with a one time use activation Wish spell at the 17th Wizard caster level that has a crafting bank of 65,725 XP."
Danzig's Wish is granted without incident because it is an acceptable use of Wish according to the spell description.
Danzig hefts his new gem, he holds the gem before him and says, "I wish to possess a small gem enchanted with a one time use activation Wish spell at the 17th Wizard caster level that has a crafting bank of 157,782 XP."
Danzig's Wish is granted without incident because it is an acceptable use of Wish according to the spell description.
Danzig hefts his new gem, he holds the gem before him and says, "I wish to possess a small gem enchanted with a one time use activation Wish spell at the 17th Wizard caster level that has a crafting bank of 387,924 XP."
Danzig's Wish is granted without incident because it is an acceptable use of Wish according to the spell description.
Danzig hefts his new gem, he holds the gem before him and says, "I wish to possess a small gem enchanted with a one time use activation Wish spell at the 17th Wizard caster level that has a crafting bank of 963,280 XP."
Danzig's Wish is granted without incident because it is an acceptable use of Wish according to the spell description.
Danzig hefts his new gem, he holds the gem before him and says, "I wish for a Slotless Bone Ring of Infinite Quickened Wishes cast at the 20th Wizard caster level with a crafting bank of 1,000,000 XP to appear on my left middle finger."
Danzig's Wish is granted without incident because it is an acceptable use of Wish according to the spell description.
Wish allows you to gain a magic item of any kind. Although it doesn't specify this, I assume you are forbidden from wishing for artifacts and relics. The only limitation to what you can wish for is the XP cost, you basically pay 8% of the market value of the item in XP, plus the 5,000 XP it costs to cast the spell. Just as a Golem Manual can hold XP, these gems and this ring can also hold XP. Thus, a ring of infinite wishes with a crafting bank full of XP means you can create whatever you need on the spot (quickened wish for a single use magic item of time stop or whatever other 9th level spell you want to cast that you can't duplicate with wish).
check my math. I actually had to do this 4 times because I kept screwing it up, but I'm pretty sure I got it right in the end.
Slotless Bone Ring of Infinite Quickened Wishes - (SpLv 13th x CL 20th x 2,000 Use activated) + (5,000 XP x 100 Unlimited Use) + One Million XP Crafting Bank (1,000,000 x 5) x 2 Slotless + 1,000 Bone Ring
((520,000 + 500,000 + 5,000,000) x 2) + 1,000 = 12,041,000 Gold = 963,280 XP
One Time Wish with 963,280 XP Crafting Bank
Spell (SpLv 9th x CL 17th x 50 One Time Use Activated) + XP Component (5,000 x 5) + Crafting Bank (963,280 x 5) =
32,650 + 4,816,400 = 4,849,050 Gold = 387,924 XP
One Time Wish with 387,924 XP Crafting Bank
Spell (SpLv 9th x CL 17th x 50 One Time Use Activated) + XP Component (5,000 x 5) + Crafting Bank (387,924 x 5) =
32,650 + 1,939,620 = 1,972,270 Gold = 157,782 XP
One Time Wish with 157,782 XP Crafting Bank
Spell (SpLv 9th x CL 17th x 50 One Time Use Activated) + XP Component (5,000 x 5) + Crafting Bank (157,782 x 5) =
32,650 + 788,910 = 821,560 Gold = 65,725 XP
One Time Wish with 65,725 XP Crafting Bank
Spell (SpLv 9th x CL 17th x 50 One Time Use Activated) + XP Component (5,000 x 5) + Crafting Bank (65,725 x 5) =
32,650 + 328,625 = 361,275 Gold = 28,902 XP
One Time Wish with 28,902 XP Crafting Bank
Spell (SpLv 9th x CL 17th x 50 One Time Use Activated) + XP Component (5,000 x 5) + Crafting Bank (28,902 x 5) =
32,650 + 144,510 = 177,160 Gold = 14,173 XP
One Time Wish with 14,173 XP Crafting Bank
Spell (SpLv 9th x CL 17th x 50 One Time Use Activated) + XP Component (5,000 x 5) + Crafting Bank (14,173 x 5) =
32,650 + 70,865 = 103,515 Gold = 8,282 XP
One Time Wish with 8,282 XP Crafting Bank
Spell (SpLv 9th x CL 17th x 50 One Time Use Activated) + XP Component (5,000 x 5) + Crafting Bank (8,282 x 5) =
32,650 + 41,410 = 74,060 Gold = 5,925 XP
One Time Wish with 5,925 XP Crafting Bank
Spell (SpLv 9th x CL 17th x 50 One Time Use Activated) + XP Component (5,000 x 5) + Crafting Bank (5,925 x 5) =
32,650 + 29,625 = 62,275 Gold = 4,982 XP
One Time Wish with 4,982 XP Crafting Bank
Spell (SpLv 9th x CL 17th x 50 One Time Use Activated) + XP Component (5,000 x 5) + Crafting Bank (4,982 x 5) =
32,650 + 24,910 = 57,560 Gold = 4,605 XP
One Time Wish with 4,605 XP Crafting Bank
Spell (SpLv 9th x CL 17th x 50 One Time Use Activated) + XP Component (5,000 x 5) + Crafting Bank (4,605 x 5) =
32,650 + 23,025 = 55,675 Gold = 4,454 XP
One Time Wish with 4,454 XP Crafting Bank
Spell (SpLv 9th x CL 17th x 50 One Time Use Activated) + XP Component (5,000 x 5) + Crafting Bank (4,454 x 5) =
32,650 + 22270 = 54920 Gold = 4,394 XP
This is where I decided to stop crunching numbers, but I could have kept on going and made it even cheaper. My goal was to get it under 10,000 XP since I'm not willing to spend more than that right now (and not until I level, I'm just 300 points away from Lv18 and I have to wait 3 weeks to play again!)