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Crake
2014-06-13, 06:30 AM
Anyone know how you could achieve dispel magic at will? I'm aware of the various invocations, but preferably something with less class levels involved? I also know of innate spell, which sacrifices a slot 8 levels higher to have a permanent SLA, but that's also a bit beyond what i'm looking for.

This is for a counterspelling build I'm thinking of, using feats like soultouched spellcasting, elven spell lore, planar touchstone (catalogues of enlightenment), arcane mastery and a dispelling chord to be able to auto-dispel anything up to CL20 with a regular dispel magic.

Mr Adventurer
2014-06-13, 08:39 AM
Spell-like abilities can't be used to counterspell, sorry dude!

Segev
2014-06-13, 08:42 AM
At-will, standard-action Dispel in an item would be 3*5*1800 = 27,000 gp, if that helps.

Vaz
2014-06-13, 08:44 AM
If you can get yourself Outsider Type, then changing into a Cervidal (MM2) with Assume Supernatural Ability gets you Illusion only targeted Dispel.

sleepyphoenixx
2014-06-13, 08:46 AM
Primal Scholar + Unfettered Heroism = unlimited spells of 5th level or lower. A little too much cheese for most DMs though.

Anxe
2014-06-13, 08:47 AM
Sorcerer could have it always "prepared" with plenty of them to cast. It wouldn't be infinite, but neither are your foes spell slots.

Vaz
2014-06-13, 08:52 AM
Primal Scholar + Unfettered Heroism = unlimited spells of 5th level or lower. A little too much cheese for most DMs though.

1. It requires 2 Action Points and UH only provides 1 free.
2. You don't even need that. You gain Spontaneous Dispel with Primal Scholar 3 and Int 14+

Red Fel
2014-06-13, 08:56 AM
Well, there's an item in MIC, Magic Siphon, that targets every adjacent creature with Dispel Magic 1/day. The Rod of Negation (DMG) does the same thing, but it's Greater Dispel Magic 3/day as a ranged touch attack.

There's the Divine Defiance feat (FC II), which lets you burn a Turn Undead attempt to counter a spell as an immediate action, provided that you have the spell or Dispel Magic prepared; but that's limited by your TU uses.

The Abjurer Wizard (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/variant/classes/specialistWizardVariants.htm#spontaneousDispelling ) variant from UA can spontaneously convert spells into Dispel Magic.

The Witchborn Binder PrC (MoI) can perform a targeted Dispel Magic as a ranged touch attack.

The Mystic Fire Knight Paladin ACF (CoV) can deliver a targeted Greater Dispel Magic with a melee attack 1/day.

sideswipe
2014-06-13, 09:20 AM
ask your dm really nicely in a high level game if you can play this monster.

http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/fw/20020817a the Siabrie.

as it has 15 racial hit dice you could play it as little as level 15 with only monster hit dice. then take class levels

it has multiple spell like abilities (powerful ones) at will and many others multiple times a day. as well as some devastating attacks and abilities.

for a level 15 character it would probably end up being slightly sub par in an optimised or mid optimised group. so i see no reason you could not play one.

Biffoniacus_Furiou
2014-06-13, 09:25 AM
Get at-will Bardic Music somehow (Firre Eladrin (BoED) + templates, make it the guest of a Symbiotic Creature (SS) to wash the 8 HD/+10 LA) and take Lyric Spell (CV), and you effectively gain unlimited spell slots that can be used to cast any arcane spells that you could normally cast spontaneously.

You could just get an Item Familiar (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/variant/magic/itemFamiliars.htm), which you can upgrade yourself and you can add new abilities to it with no restrictions (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/magicItems/creatingMagicItems.htm#addingNewAbilities). Once you're high enough level for it to be an intelligent item, you can add additional intelligent item abilities, including a special purpose and dedicated power (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/magicItems/intelligentItems.htm#specialPurposeItems) of your choosing. Get a Dread Necromancer to cooperate in providing the prerequisites to make its dedicated power to use Greater Dispel Magic (5th level spell, priced as Song of Discord/Prying Eyes) at a caster level of 20th, and also give the item the 10 Spellcraft ranks lesser power. The item itself can ready an action every round to Greater Dispel Magic counterspell an opponent's spell, so there's nothing more you need to do! Note that this is legit as it's exactly what the Dagger of Denial (MIC, but the CD version is better) is designed to do.

Crake
2014-06-13, 09:50 AM
Spell-like abilities can't be used to counterspell, sorry dude!

I always assumed that since counterspelling with dispel magic is a function of the spell itself, not an action done with the spell, that you could use it to counterspell. It's explained, since the other spells are modified slightly to produce a negating effect, which you presumably cannot do with SLAs, but dispel magic is used as is.

sleepyphoenixx
2014-06-13, 11:00 AM
1. It requires 2 Action Points and UH only provides 1 free.
2. You don't even need that. You gain Spontaneous Dispel with Primal Scholar 3 and Int 14+

Secret of Power only requires one AP unless there's an errata i don't know about. Since it allows you to regain spell levels equal to your class level it effectively means unlimited because Unfettered Heroism is a 5th level spell.

Biffoniacus_Furiou
2014-06-13, 12:42 PM
I always assumed that since counterspelling with dispel magic is a function of the spell itself, not an action done with the spell, that you could use it to counterspell. It's explained, since the other spells are modified slightly to produce a negating effect, which you presumably cannot do with SLAs, but dispel magic is used as is.

"Spell-like abilities cannot be used to counterspell, nor can they be counterspelled (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/specialAbilities.htm#spellLikeAbilities)."
Dispel Magic is specifically called out in the rules for counterspelling (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/magicOverview/castingSpells.htm#counterspells), so it's just as much a function of the counterspell rules as it is a function of Dispel Magic. Psionic powers cannot be counterspelled, or be used to counterspell, and Dispel Psionics (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/psionic/powers/dispelPsionics.htm) has no counterspell function. I would say that a Dispel Magic spell-like ability lacks the counterspell function as well.

Dispel Magic cast by an item can be used to counterspell as already demonstrated by the Dagger of Defiance. A Staff of Dispel Magic is only 9,000 gp (180 gp per charge), and uses your own caster level. Depending on the wording of a given feat or ability, bonuses to dispel checks should still count toward it. For example, the Inquisition domain's power reads, "Gain a +4 bonus on dispel checks." That means any dispel check you make, whether from casting Dispel Magic or using it from a staff, gains a +4 bonus.

A useful item to include in a dedicated counterspeller would be a Ring of Spell-Battle from Magic of Faerun, which costs 67,600 gp. It makes you automatically aware of any spell being cast within 60 ft., and you can make a DC 15 + spell level Spellcraft check to identify the spell even if you would otherwise have no way of knowing what the spell is. Once per day the ring can use Dispel Magic and if successful it either counters the spell or changes its target to another valid target within 60 ft. of you, and you don't even have to ready an action or do anything special to activate this.

Recharge Magic (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/variant/magic/rechargeMagic.htm) effectively gives you unlimited daily uses of spells, though you must wait a number of rounds between casting spells of a given level. You couldn't do it every round unless you can roll 1's like a pro, but there's no daily limit at least. You could take Anima Mage and bind Tenebrous to get Turn/Rebuke Undead to power Divine Defiance from FC2, though you would have to wait at least five rounds between uses.

Realistically, you would need to get Dispel Magic as a spell at-will to be able to counterspell at-will. That means you would need unlimited 3rd level spell slots, or a way to create or regain a 3rd level spell slot at-will. The Sanctum Repeat Invisible Mage's Lucubration with Arcane Thesis trick (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?153510-3-5-Wizards-tired-of-running-out-of-low-level-spells) allows you to do this, but you would need to use it every round if you cast Dispel Magic every round. Persistent Arcane Spellsurge allows you to do that, but you can also use that to cast any 5th level and lower spells an unlimited number of times/day so don't expect any DM to allow it.