Standalone PrCs

[Nettlekid]

What PrCs can people here suggest that kind of encapsulate everything they do in their own ten levels, as opposed to being direct continuations of base classes? I'm trying to put together a Fiend of Possession build. I'm allowed one level of LA buyoff I have 19 levels to work with, starting with two RHD of Kaorti and the six levels of FoP itself. Uncanny Trickster is somewhat tempting to pump up the numbers a little, but I think a waste overall. This leaves me with 11 levels to fill up. One of those levels will have to help qualify for FoP, so it must be a class with a good Will save and Hide as a class skill, probably Beguiler or Spellthief. That leaves ten levels for another PrC, but I can hardly qualify for anything with FoP's poor skill list and lack of other abilities. Any PrC that can be entered easily but has its own merit in 10 levels is something I'd be interested in. For example, Psibond Agent rather caught my attention, since it has a fairly unique ability that suits a FoP and doesn't really require any specific class beforehand. That kind of thing. What else might people suggest?

[Regissoma]

The Chameleon. You want to go into the fray sure I got a focus for that, you want to cast magic sure I got a divine and arcane focus for that, oh you want to cast both types of magic sure reach my dual focus level and you can cast both. Caster level for the chameleon is also twice its level so by ten levels your a 20th level caster, and your spells can come from any list.

Aka that is if you can bypass the entry requirements. Will post again if I remember the other prc I wanted to talk about.

[nedz]

Spellthief 1 / Beguiler 4 / Unseen Seer X / FOP
Beguiler 5 / Mindbender 1 / FOP

[snailgosh]

Psion is not bad for entry, since Kaorti gives +4 INT and powers can be used while possessing and Psion has that +2 Will

You can get Hide as a class skill with the Martial Study (Shadow Hand) Feat
A single level of Marshal really benefits a FoP as well

[Nettlekid]

Spellthief 1 / Beguiler 4 / Unseen Seer X / FOP
Beguiler 5 / Mindbender 1 / FOP

This isn't at all what I was asking for. For one, you've just tacked on more of the token base class, but more importantly your suggestion of Unseen Seer is very directly a continuation of a spellcasting class. Six to eleven spellcasting levels don't give a good enough return for a level 20 character, especially since I won't have access to verbal and somatic components most of the time.


The Chameleon. You want to go into the fray sure I got a focus for that, you want to cast magic sure I got a divine and arcane focus for that, oh you want to cast both types of magic sure reach my dual focus level and you can cast both. Caster level for the chameleon is also twice its level so by ten levels your a 20th level caster, and your spells can come from any list.

Aka that is if you can bypass the entry requirements. Will post again if I remember the other prc I wanted to talk about.

I had thought about Chameleon, and it's a great class especially for a standalone thing, but yeah, I don't think I can get into it. I'm not sure if a Human turned into a Kaorti still counts as a human, even if they retain their memories. I could imagine a DM saying yes it does, but I feel confident that they couldn't qualify for the Human Heritage feat and so calling them some kind of Outsider (Augmented Humanoid) seems doubtful. So I'm so-so on that. And no, I'm not willing to be a Human that used the Savage Species rites to get the alignment subtype. Chameleon is a pretty great class, but I don't think it works best here, especially since like I said it won't have the ability to use components all the time, and I don't want to have to Still and Silence all my spells.


Psion is not bad for entry, since Kaorti gives +4 INT and powers can be used while possessing and Psion has that +2 Will

You can get Hide as a class skill with the Martial Study (Shadow Hand) Feat
A single level of Marshal really benefits a FoP as well

Hm, Marshal is a good thought, and good note about Hide. I can always Chaos Shuffle that out later, so that opens up my base class options a little. I had thought of Psionics, but still even if I get ML 11 at the end of it, that's not really enough for a standalone thing.

[snailgosh]

Hm, Marshal is a good thought, and good note about Hide. I can always Chaos Shuffle that out later, so that opens up my base class options a little. I had thought of Psionics, but still even if I get ML 11 at the end of it, that's not really enough for a standalone thing.
With Practiced Manifester you can get this up to 15 and it also nets you entry into Mindbender for the ever so cheesy Mindsight

[Nettlekid]

With Practiced Manifester you can get this up to 15 and it also nets you entry into Mindbender for the ever so cheesy Mindsight

My bigger issue with the ML isn't the actual numeric value, it's the powers I'd get out of it. 6th level powers at level 20 are just a cut under what I'd hope they would be, especially since I'm somewhat of the opinion that powers are weaker than the same level spells (with the exception of a couple, and excluding StP Erudite Psychic Chirurgery-ing all spells into powers into you).

[mr_odd]

Swiftblade is basically a standalone class, except for the fact that it increases your spellcaster level 6 out of the 10 levels. Even with out that, it's pretty sick.

[avr]

They're base classes but due to counting half the hit dice and other class levels as initiator levels you could take a Tome of Battle class and reach 8th level maneuvers dead on 20 (8/2 + 11 = 15). Swordsage has a good will save and hide as a class skill.

Consecrated Harrier gives you the spellcasting ability of a ranger in its 10 levels - not to be sneezed at, there are some nice buffs - and there's a similar class for the paladin. Divine Shield? Not sure of the name. That one's probably irrelevant to you anyway.

Ur-Priest famously gets you 9ths fast.

[Nettlekid]

Swiftblade is basically a standalone class, except for the fact that it increases your spellcaster level 6 out of the 10 levels. Even with out that, it's pretty sick.

But Swiftblade has some pretty heavy entry requirements and I'd need to be able to cast Haste repeatedly, which I don't see myself being able to come up with. Also Swiftblade and FoP don't have a lot of synergy.


They're base classes but due to counting half the hit dice and other class levels as initiator levels you could take a Tome of Battle class and reach 8th level maneuvers dead on 20 (8/2 + 11 = 15). Swordsage has a good will save and hide as a class skill.

Consecrated Harrier gives you the spellcasting ability of a ranger in its 10 levels - not to be sneezed at, there are some nice buffs - and there's a similar class for the paladin. Divine Shield? Not sure of the name. That one's probably irrelevant to you anyway.

Ur-Priest famously gets you 9ths fast.

Ur-Priest had come to mind, but that's so overdone. Consecrated Harrier is a good example of what I'm looking for, having its own standalone theme (the whole hunting down thing) but doesn't really fit in with FoP, I don't think. ToB might be interesting, having every possessed monster or tree or piece of wall become a martial artist. That certainly bears thinking about.

[Regissoma]

Technically an Illumanian counts as being human, so if you were to chose that as your race you should qualify. Also don't forget about Otherwordly, a feat you can take at first to become an outsider of your race.

[Kuulvheysoon]

Technically an Illumanian counts as being human, so if you were to chose that as your race you should qualify. Also don't forget about Otherwordly, a feat you can take at first to become an outsider of your race.

Note that not only is Otherworldly setting-specific (Forgotten Realms), it's got a really narrow list of races/regions that qualify.

[snailgosh]

I'm really fond of the ToB class idea
anybody suddenly becoming an expert martial artist strikes me as hilarious

[ShurikVch]

Divine Crusader 1/Sovereign Speaker 9

[Phelix-Mu]

Don't know if it fits with this idea, and the feat reqs might be a problem, but Nentyar Hunter grants a few nice class abilities and five levels of spells off it's own spellcasting list in a five-level PrC.

Otherwise, maybe take a gander at Corrupted Avenger from Heroes of Horror. Friend of mine tacked that on a soulknife, was very interesting.

[Promises Kept]

Soul Eater (BoVD) might be what you're looking for - relatively easy entry requirements, an entirely self-contained shtick, and 10 levels long. Also, it has near-perfect chassis (all good saves, full BAB, 4+Int skill points, d8 HD), which is always nice to have.

[Jeff the Green]

Have a link. (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?181091-PrCs-with-Independant-Spell-Progression) The table's borked, but the information is still marginally accessible.

I'm not sure if it would technically work and you'd need one level of barbarian and one of another full BAB class, but I like the idea of Runescarred Berserker. It'd be like ToB, but instead of the people you possess suddenly knowing Kung Fu they get these weird scars and get really angry.

[Coidzor]

I think most of the classes that give their own spellcasting progression would fit here.

Knight of the Weave, Suel Arcanamach, Soldier of Light(?), Assassin(a bit more tenuous due to the synergies with Rogue as the expected base)... I suppose Runescarred Berserker and Champion of Gwynharwyf are in a similar boat as Assassin.

Hellreaver(?) from the same source that gave us Hellbred(?)Fiendish Codex 2(thank you Phelix-Mu) may also count?

[Phelix-Mu]

Have a link. (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?181091-PrCs-with-Independant-Spell-Progression) The table's borked, but the information is still marginally accessible.

I'm not sure if it would technically work and you'd need one level of barbarian and one of another full BAB class, but I like the idea of Runescarred Berserker. It's like ToB, but instead of knowing Kung Fu they get these weird scars and get really angry.

Oh, Runescarred Berserker is another one of those prestige classes I keep wanting to try. Along with Nentyar Hunter and Peerless Archer, those are some of my favorite things from the FR-setting splats.

That and pretty much everything in Underdark. Love that book.

EDIT: Hellreaver is from Fiendish Codex II. Pretty much the coolest thing in that book for me. I guess Hellbred was from the same source, but not 100% certain off the top of my head.

[snailgosh]

Pyrokineticist, while not the strongest of choices, is somewhat standalone as well
You'd need to take Hidden Talent at 1 (and shuffle it later?), or use a psionic class for FoP entry though...

[Hand_of_Vecna]

Cleric with the Trickery Domain would also fill the +2 Will/Hide requirment.

It's not amazing, but War Mind is a full BAB Prc that grant Psionics to a character without Psionic Powers. Psibond Agent is a mind control/infiltration specialist, I'm not sure if it would combine well with iend of Possession or if it would just be redundant.