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Captnq
2014-06-22, 08:26 PM
SUPERNATURAL TRANSFORMATION [GENERAL]
- SAVAGE SPECIES (3.0)
You convert a spell-like ability to a supernatural ability.
Prerequisite: Innate spell-like ability.
Benefit: One of your innate spell-like abilities becomes a supernatural ability. It is no longer subject to spell resistance, though it can still be suppressed in an antimagic field. Using this ability does not provoke an attack of opportunity. The number of uses, if limited, does not change. The effective caster level equals your total Hit Dice or the effective caster level of the original ability, whichever is higher.
Special: You can gain this feat multiple times. Its effects do not stack. Each time you take it, it applies to a new spell-like ability.


So, does this turn a warlock's eldritch blast into a supernatural ability?
If so why would a warlock not take this level 1?

Karnith
2014-06-22, 08:42 PM
So, does this turn a warlock's eldritch blast into a supernatural ability?
Maybe. It depends on what qualifies as an "innate" SLA (which is a fun discussion, since WotC never defined it for us!). For what it's worth, the FAQ comes down against this:

Can a warlock qualify for the Supernatural Transformation feat (SS 39) and change one of his invocations into a supernatural ability?
No. The warlock’s spell-like abilities are learned (from class levels), not innate (that is, part of his racial traits).
And Rich Baker (speaking on behalf of the writers) said it would probably wouldn't be broken, though by the rules it wouldn't work (http://community.wizards.com/forum/previous-editions-general/threads/975156).

If so why would a warlock not take this level 1?
One reason not to is that you'll lose out on Empower SLA (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/monsterFeats.htm#empowerSpellLikeAbility), Quicken SLA (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/monsterFeats.htm#quickenSpellLikeAbility), and Maximize SLA (Complete Arcane, p. 81) for your Eldritch Blast down the line.

EDIT: Oh, also Mortalbane.

nedz
2014-06-22, 08:57 PM
It's interesting to search the SRD for the word innate. This yields a number of hits which all imply that innate is a synonym for racial, or at least type specific e.g.


Racial bonus

A bonus granted because of the culture a particular creature was brought up in or because of innate characteristics of that type of creature. If a creature's race changes (for instance, if it dies and is reincarnated), it loses all racial bonuses it had in its previous form.

This would imply that EB is not an innate SLA.

otakumick
2014-06-22, 09:00 PM
though fluffwise if you are getting your warlock powers from heritage rather than a deal, you could make a fluff argument for innate.

Captnq
2014-06-22, 09:00 PM
New Question then...

SORCERER’S HAND
The stock of this +2 light crossbow has been carved to
resemble a humanoid forearm ending in a closed hand with
two outstretched fingers.
Despite its unusual appearance, this crossbow is a potent
tool for casting ray spells.
If held and used as an additional arcane focus when casting
a ray spell, the spell’s effective caster level is increased by 1.
This increase affects all aspects of the spell, including
damage, range, and duration.
Furthermore, the sorcerer’s hand grants a +2 enhancement
bonus on attack rolls for rays.
Caster Level: 11th; Prerequisites: Craft Magic Arms and
Armor, any ray spell; Market Price: 18,335 gp; Cost to Create:
9,335 gp + 720 XP.

Does this apply to a warlocks eldritch blast, which is a spell-like ray?

Also what would +1 Caster Level do to a warlock's eldritch blast?

nedz
2014-06-22, 09:22 PM
EB is an SLA, not a spell: so you don't get the +1 CL.

You would appear to get the +2 to hit though.

Addin +1 CL to EB would enable it to penetrate SR 5% more easily — probably not much else though. EB's damage does not depend upon CL.

foobar1969
2015-05-13, 01:36 PM
And Rich Baker (speaking on behalf of the writers) said it would probably wouldn't be broken, though by the rules it wouldn't work (http://community.wizards.com/forum/previous-editions-general/threads/975156).
As a rebuttal to Rich Baker's post, I hereby subpoena the official statement of Rich Baker, Complete Arcane, Warlock class, first paragraph:

Born of a supernatural bloodline, a warlock seeks to master the perilous magic that suffuses his soul. Unlike sorcerers or wizards, who approach arcane magic through the medium of spells, a warlock invokes powerful magic through nothing more than an effort of will. By harnessing his innate magical gift through fearsome determination and force of will, a warlock can perform feats of supernatural stealth, beguile the weak-minded, or scour his foes with blasts of eldritch power.
:smalltongue:

Zombimode
2015-05-13, 02:09 PM
One reason not to is that you'll lose out on Empower SLA (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/monsterFeats.htm#empowerSpellLikeAbility), Quicken SLA (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/monsterFeats.htm#quickenSpellLikeAbility), and Maximize SLA (Complete Arcane, p. 81) for your Eldritch Blast down the line.

At least Empower is available for Su abilities. No such luck for the others, though (same kind of bummer that Extend is not available for SLAs...).

Haruki-kun
2015-05-13, 07:26 PM
The Winged Mod: Thread Necromancy.