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D4rkh0rus
2014-06-25, 12:09 PM
Does having legacy champion advance warblade lvls add to the IL?

As in, does a warblade 10/legacy champion 6 have an IL of 13, an IL of 15 (15.5) or an IL of 18?

PsyBomb
2014-06-25, 12:12 PM
Does having legacy champion advance warblade lvls add to the IL?

As in, does a warblade 10/legacy champion 6 have an IL of 13, an IL of 15 (15.5) or an IL of 18?

I think that, by RAI, it would be 15.5 (effectively 15). RAW, either of the first two could be argued (don't know where the 18 number is coming from)

Zanos
2014-06-25, 12:30 PM
I think that, by RAI, it would be 15.5 (effectively 15). RAW, either of the first two could be argued (don't know where the 18 number is coming from)
An interpretation that the prestige class counts as a non-initiator for the purposes of progression, so every level in LC counts as .5 an initiator level, and the levels it advances your base class on advance it by 1.5. This ends up with an IL of 10 + .5 + 1.5*5, or 18.

DarkSonic1337
2014-06-25, 02:06 PM
Did you perhaps mess up your wording a little? Each level would count as 0.5 IL, and the levels that advance warblade would also advance IL by one.

So 10 (warblade)+3 (6 class levels in legacy champion)+ 5 (5 "warblade" levels advanced by legacy champion)=18

I don't really see the argument for 13 at all, since the text of legacy champion states "you gain class features and an increase in effective level as if you had also gained a level in a class to which you belonged before adding the prestige class level." It goes on to list things like spells known/spells per day, sneak attack, bonus feats, "and so on," for which presumably caster level and initiator level would be included.

The only issue then is whether the levels in legacy champion that advance the base class experience a bit of double jeopardy, where they advance the warblade levels (and thus initiator level) but are ALSO levels in a non initiator class (and thus count as 0.5).

D4rkh0rus
2014-06-25, 02:43 PM
I did not mess up my wording, 13, 15.5 and 18 are all 3 possible results from different perspectives.

13 being that Legacy champion advancing warblade, does not get the initiator level boost, so 10 (W10) + 3 (LC 6)

15.5 is assuming that LC adv. Warblade gets the 1IL per lvl advanced, so 10 (W10) + 5.5 (LC 6)

and 18 is assuming both the IL for Lchamp and the IL provided by advanding Warblade stack. 10 (W10) + 8 (LC 3 + LC (W) 5)

What I don't know, is by RaW, which one would apply?