ways to increase the HP of an undead PC?

[Dominuce2112]

I am an undead bard and at low level I am getting owned really fast. I havent "died" yet but I would still like to find ways to increase my HP.

Anything Con boosting doesnt work, and I dont have enough feats for toughness.

Are there any items, spells, traits or something that could give me some way to survive?

[holywhippet]

Well, the aid spell gives temporary HP. You'll need a cleric who is at least level 3 to cast it on you.

How exactly are you being damaged? A bard shouldn't be on the front line in combat.

[Zaq]

Just how low level are you? Can you afford 2,300 gp? If so, you want the Amulet of Tears, from MIC pg. 70. It has 3 charges per day, which you can spend as a swift action to gain THP (12 for 1 charge, 18 for 2, 24 for 3). That's a lot of THP at low levels.

[Emperor Tippy]

Level, class, and species?

[Crake]

Well, there are a few ways that you can up your HP, depending on how/where you were created as an undead. Being created in a desecrated zone, in the radius of an altar gives you +2 hp per HD, so that's like a con score of 14. Then if you were also created by a level 8 dread necromancer, you get an additional +2hp per HD, like having a con score of 18. In addition, you also get +4 enhancement bonus to your str and dex scores, which is a pretty neat benefit. Finall, ontop of all that, if the person that created you was also a level 1 wizard necromancer with the Enhanced Undead ACF (or the dread necromancer enlisted help to create you) thats another +2 hp/HD, giving you a total of +6 hp per HD, as if your con score was 22. That variant also gives +4 enhancement bonus to str/dex, but it doesnt stack with the dread necro one.

And of course, you can also pick up the feat improved toughness, giving you +1 hp per HD. And since most undead have d12 HD, regardless of class HD, that gives you some pretty beefy HP levels.

It's worth noting that all of those benefits don't say that the undead needs to be created with a spell, so they still work for spawn creating undead, such as vampires, or wraiths etc, as long as they have the right class levels.

[Dominuce2112]

Level, class, and species?

I am a lvl 4 bonesinger (ghostwalk template) changeling bard. And I am a wanted man by a certain evil church so there are times when people are after me regardless of being on the front lines or not.

Also I am the 'face' of the party so there are also times when I am talking to npcs and get attacked.

[Dominuce2112]

Well, there are a few ways that you can up your HP, depending on how/where you were created as an undead. Being created in a desecrated zone, in the radius of an altar gives you +2 hp per HD, so that's like a con score of 14. Then if you were also created by a level 8 dread necromancer, you get an additional +2hp per HD, like having a con score of 18. In addition, you also get +4 enhancement bonus to your str and dex scores, which is a pretty neat benefit. Finall, ontop of all that, if the person that created you was also a level 1 wizard necromancer with the Enhanced Undead ACF (or the dread necromancer enlisted help to create you) thats another +2 hp/HD, giving you a total of +6 hp per HD, as if your con score was 22. That variant also gives +4 enhancement bonus to str/dex, but it doesnt stack with the dread necro one.

And of course, you can also pick up the feat improved toughness, giving you +1 hp per HD. And since most undead have d12 HD, regardless of class HD, that gives you some pretty beefy HP levels.

It's worth noting that all of those benefits don't say that the undead needs to be created with a spell, so they still work for spawn creating undead, such as vampires, or wraiths etc, as long as they have the right class levels.


WOW that is all awesome info right there. I didnt even think (or know) about the desecration aspect of it all. I think the dread necromancer thing might be a reach for my DM (and probably unfair to give me +4 to combat stats just for a backstory) but its still worth bringing up, thank you!

[OldTrees1]

WOW that is all awesome info right there. I didnt even think (or know) about the desecration aspect of it all. I think the dread necromancer thing might be a reach for my DM (and probably unfair to give me +4 to combat stats just for a backstory) but its still worth bringing up, thank you!

Well it is
+6hp/HD for being created within a Fell Energy Desecrate spell that has an altar
+2 if you were created by a Dread Necromancer
+2 if you were created by a spell from a Enhance Undead Wizard
+2 if you were created by a spell from someone with the Corpsecrafter feat

[currently checking to see if Bonesinger qualifies for the 3rd and 4th bonuses]
Away from books. Unable to check.

[Biffoniacus_Furiou]

Well it is
+6hp/HD for being created within a Fell Energy Desecrate spell that has an altar
+2 if you were created by a Dread Necromancer
+2 if you were created by a spell from a Enhance Undead Wizard
+2 if you were created by a spell from someone with the Corpsecrafter feat

[currently checking to see if Bonesinger qualifies for the 3rd and 4th bonuses]
Away from books. Unable to check.

Enhance Undead (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/variant/classes/specialistWizardVariants.htm#enhancedUndead) doesn't actually require you to use a spell to create an undead creature for it to benefit from this:
"Any time a necromancer using this variant creates an undead creature (such as with animate dead, create undead, or create greater undead), all undead creatures created gain a +4 enhancement bonus to Strength and Dexterity, and two additional hit points per Hit Die."

[Dominuce2112]

Enhance Undead (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/variant/classes/specialistWizardVariants.htm#enhancedUndead) doesn't actually require you to use a spell to create an undead creature for it to benefit from this:
"Any time a necromancer using this variant creates an undead creature (such as with animate dead, create undead, or create greater undead), all undead creatures created gain a +4 enhancement bonus to Strength and Dexterity, and two additional hit points per Hit Die."

talked to the DM it was a cleric who raised me lol I do get the desecrate bonus but everything else doesnt fit

[Rubik]

Holding a weapon aligned against you (that is, a holy dagger if you're Evil, etc) will give you a "negative level," which, for undead, translates to +5 temp hp for every negative level you gain, which is refreshed when you set down the weapon and pick it back up. Hold 20 holy arrows in your hand, and suddenly you'll gain +100 temp hp.

There's also the Faerie Mysteries Initiate feat, one of the options of which gives you your Int mod to HP instead of Con.

If you can afford a psychoactive skin of proteus, every use will heal you as though you've rested for a night, so plenty of freebie healing. It can also turn you into a living creature and give you a Con score to augment your d12 HD. Also, a wand of Lesser Vigor will work just as well on you as it will on a living creature.

[Threadnaught]

+2 if you were created by a spell from a Enhance Undead Wizard


Enhanced Undead (Ex)

Any time a necromancer using this variant creates an undead creature (such as with animate dead, create undead, or create greater undead), all undead creatures created gain a +4 enhancement bonus to Strength and Dexterity, and two additional hit points per Hit Die. This ability does not affect the number or Hit Dice of animated creatures that the necromancer can create or control.

No Spells are necessary those are just given as examples of when a Wizard may create an Undead creature, I must involve one of these with Xamnim immediately.


You are completely correct about Corpsecrafter however, though I'm wondering if there's a way to get it to work with the Rite of Crucimigration.



@OP http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?125732-3-x-X-stat-to-Y-bonus

Beauty's Bounty, retrain your 1st level Feat if necessary. Charisma to HP instead of Con to HP is a benefit for any Spontaneous Caster, but especially an Undead one.

Edit: Cheated by a Cheater.

[Dominuce2112]

Beauty's Bounty, retrain your 1st level Feat if necessary. Charisma to HP instead of Con to HP is a benefit for any Spontaneous Caster, but especially an Undead one.

Edit: Cheated by a Cheater.


i already made my guy an undead changeling, fey is a requirment for that feat

[SaintRidley]

Scroll of wish, Unholy Toughness?