dumb question about magic touch attacks

[bjoern]

I've been trying to find the text on this but I'm coming up empty handed.
I recall reading that a magic touch attack is cast as a standard action (or another if spell says differently) then move and deliver the attack if its all done in the same round. Otherwise , if you hold the charge until a later round its a standard action.
My question is if all done in the same round, is the delivery done as part of the move or is it done after the move?

For example I'm standing 10 feet away from a guy, cast shocking grasp, tumble for my movement moving 15 feet total. Can I deliver the touch in the middle of that move as I'm going past the guy or does it have to be done at the end of the move as a free action thus leaving me adjacent to him to end my turn?

Also seen that a held charge counts as threatening and can be delivered as an AoO. That's handy :)

[nedz]

Do these cover your points ?

Spell Descriptions:Range:Touch

You must touch a creature or object to affect it. A touch spell that deals damage can score a critical hit just as a weapon can. A touch spell threatens a critical hit on a natural roll of 20 and deals double damage on a successful critical hit. Some touch spells allow you to touch multiple targets. You can touch as many willing targets as you can reach as part of the casting, but all targets of the spell must be touched in the same round that you finish casting the spell.


Combat:Actions In Combat:Cast a Spell

Touch Spells in Combat

Many spells have a range of touch. To use these spells, you cast the spell and then touch the subject, either in the same round or any time later. In the same round that you cast the spell, you may also touch (or attempt to touch) the target. You may take your move before casting the spell, after touching the target, or between casting the spell and touching the target. You can automatically touch one friend or use the spell on yourself, but to touch an opponent, you must succeed on an attack roll.

Touch Attacks

Touching an opponent with a touch spell is considered to be an armed attack and therefore does not provoke attacks of opportunity. However, the act of casting a spell does provoke an attack of opportunity. Touch attacks come in two types: melee touch attacks and ranged touch attacks. You can score critical hits with either type of attack. Your opponent’s AC against a touch attack does not include any armor bonus, shield bonus, or natural armor bonus. His size modifier, Dexterity modifier, and deflection bonus (if any) all apply normally.

[bjoern]

Yeah that's it.

Id need something along the lines of spring attack to be able to what I was describing. Not sure if such a feat exists as SA only applys to melee weapons.

[Hazrond]

I actually had a question of my own, if you cast a touch spell and missed your touch attack do you get to make another next turn or does the spell fizzle?

[bjoern]

I actually had a question of my own, if you cast a touch spell and missed your touch attack do you get to make another next turn or does the spell fizzle?

I read a little about how there is no mutual touching. What you are touching is not touching you.
For example you have a charge held, and a guy hits you. You don't get to discharge the spell onto him because you're not touching him. But....since your not touching him, wouldn't that mean that you'd still be holding the charge rather than losing it?

[nedz]

I actually had a question of my own, if you cast a touch spell and missed your touch attack do you get to make another next turn or does the spell fizzle?
The answer is in the next paragraph from the combat section I quoted above.


Holding the Charge

If you don’t discharge the spell in the round when you cast the spell, you can hold the discharge of the spell (hold the charge) indefinitely. You can continue to make touch attacks round after round. You can touch one friend as a standard action or up to six friends as a full-round action. If you touch anything or anyone while holding a charge, even unintentionally, the spell discharges. If you cast another spell, the touch spell dissipates. Alternatively, you may make a normal unarmed attack (or an attack with a natural weapon) while holding a charge. In this case, you aren’t considered armed and you provoke attacks of opportunity as normal for the attack. (If your unarmed attack or natural weapon attack doesn’t provoke attacks of opportunity, neither does this attack.) If the attack hits, you deal normal damage for your unarmed attack or natural weapon and the spell discharges. If the attack misses, you are still holding the charge.

[bjoern]

If I'm reading that right that means you cast a spell you just keep it and keep trying to hit them round after round until the hit lands. Even if they hit you, you don't lose it. Since they are touching you not you touching them.
Right?

[Psyren]

If I'm reading that right that means you cast a spell you just keep it and keep trying to hit them round after round until the hit lands. Even if they hit you, you don't lose it. Since they are touching you not you touching them.
Right?

Yes, you can keep trying to poke them if you miss.

As for them discharging it if they hit you, this isn't clear - I'd say no because you have to be the "toucher" rather than the "touchee."