i am looking to create a demon type character

[StrifeTheBloody]

i am looking to create a demon type character but don't know any to start with i want to make a rogue class but as a demon can some one help me

[Marlowe]

Most Demons have such high level adjustment and ECL that it really isn't worth the effort. Have you looked at a Tiefling or lesser Tiefling?

[chainer1216]

Its not a rogue, but the Warlock can be rogue-like and has plenty of in-built demonic flavor, bonus points if you take the fiendish heritage feats from complete mace for bonus resistances and SLAs. Add in Hellfire warlock to taste and maybe a dash of eldritch claws and youre good to go.

[Biffoniacus_Furiou]

Start with a Marrulurk from Sandstorm, it's a small jackal-headed humanoid with three racial HD and a +1 LA. Those racial HD get you full BAB, 2d6 sneak attack, poison use, death attack, a nauseating breath attack, and a bunch of other traits, on top of a +4 racial bonus on listen, hide, and move silently plus size bonuses, two bonus feats, and amazing ability score bonuses. Add on one level of the Half-Fiend Template Class (http://archive.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/sp/20031010a), you can indefinitely delay gaining the rest of the template class (http://archive.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/sp/20030824a) so you'll only have a total +2 LA. That one level of Half-Fiend switches your type to Outsider, so those three racial HD will grant eight base skill points each per the Half-Fiend template, and if you say you were descended from a specific type of fiend (http://archive.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/we/20060630a) (Babau (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/monsters/demon.htm#babau)) you'll gain all of its listed skills as class skills. You'll also get more bonuses and other benefits, including a Darkness spell-like ability usable 3/day.

That gets you an ECL 5 character with three HD that grant full BAB, d8 HP, two good saves, amazing ability scores (Str +2, Dex +8, Con 4, Wis +6, Cha +4), +3 natural armor, Rogue skill points and class skills, two claw attacks, +2d6 sneak attack, death attack, poison use, nauseating breath, both low-light vision and darkvision, Darkness 3/day, skill bonuses, extraordinary hearing, resistances, and bonus feats. Your first HD gives you the standard x4 skill points, and any class levels you gain would be like multiclassing into that class from your racial HD. Grab two levels of Swordsage and then jump straight into Assassin or similar.

[DMVerdandi]

Always thought tiefling archivist would be BA as heck.
It's got high skill points, dark knowledge,free cleric spells, all other divine spells.
It's a fantastic class.

I mean complete scoundrel kind of showed how any class can fit any archetype.

If your intention is trick monkey first, I would definitely suggest factotum over rogue, then.
Psychic rogue and spell-thief are pretty cool too.

[Marlowe]

If you don't want to mess with LA and templates; have a look at the Spiker race from Planar handbook. No cool abilities, but no serious minuses either (although you might like to sort out with the DM just what the Damage Reduction actually does. It's been written up all wrong and doesn't make much sense). And you'd be a spiky humanoid from hell.

[John Longarrow]

Having had to do something like this for a game I'm running, Quasit with levels in Beguiler would work well for "Demon + Rogue". Talk to your DM about swapping out the alternate shape for change shape and limit it to one or two humanoid forms. This would give you a little demon that can fly about invisible then turn into a human(ish) form to deal with people.

LA would be +5 for quasit, and its got 3 racial HD.

For a skill monkey that can work. Not in the ball park for straight combat or dedicated caster though.

[ShurikVch]

What's level you expect to play?

Say, there is Ice Demon (Dragon Compendium). LA +2. Racial HD 10+, but it's an outsider HD - full BAB, full saves, 10 skill points

If it's too high for you, then how about petitioners from the lower planes? Those from Abyss or Hades are not chained to their plane, and sentient (unlike lemures). 2 racial HD and unchanged LA

Finally, you can try to pick lesser fey'ri

[ComaVision]

There's also the Hellbred race but they're fluffed as returning to life to redeem themselves.

[StrifeTheBloody]

well i'm looking at a elf half fiend templet and my class would be a psionic rogue and i wanting to be a half balor or something like that with horns and wings but i'm coming from hell but im not evil ill be chaotic neutral not evil but not necessarily good either

[Effero]

You may want to look into Pyrokineticist (http://dndtools.eu/classes/pyrokineticist/) for some fiery flavor.

EDIT: If you are looking for low LA outsiders there is always the Diaboli

[StrifeTheBloody]

You may want to look into Pyrokineticist (http://dndtools.eu/classes/pyrokineticist/) for some fiery flavor.

EDIT: If you are looking for low LA outsiders there is always the Diaboli

for the pyrokineticist im not wanting a spell caster and a demon who is obsessed or engulfed in flame as for the diaboli im not wanting to be a nightmarish type creature

[StrifeTheBloody]

http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/Half-Demon,_Demonkin_(4e_Race) what about this would this be possable

[torrasque666]

inb4 dandwiki hate

try adapting it to 3.5 and we'll see.

[Arbane]

http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/Half-Demon,_Demonkin_(4e_Race) what about this would this be possable

If your DM allows DNDWiki stuff. But a lot of it is homebrew, and very unbalanced homebrew at that.

[StrifeTheBloody]

inb4 dandwiki hate

try adapting it to 3.5 and we'll see.

http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/Half_Demon_(3.5e_Template)#Special_Qualities how about this

[Effero]

http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/Half-Demon,_Demonkin_(4e_Race) what about this would this be possable

It is homebrewed and 4e, so its up to your DM. With some work it may work.

As for 3.5, your best bet is to find a monster race you like (I don't think you would like the Neraphim either) and have RHD and LA or a template. Alu-Demon or Half-fiend work for demonic flavor or there is Lemorian but again I don't believe thats what you are looking for.

IMO psionics work best just like casters, the more levels you have increasing you ML the better. A lot of the Demons/Devils can have ECLs of 10+ and cut your class abilities in half or more.

[torrasque666]

http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/Half_Demon_(3.5e_Template)#Special_Qualities how about this

That's basically just the Half-Fiend Template. Except worse, and not even worth its +3 LA.

[StrifeTheBloody]

It is homebrewed and 4e, so its up to your DM. With some work it may work.

As for 3.5, your best bet is to find a monster race you like (I don't think you would like the Neraphim either) and have RHD and LA or a template. Alu-Demon or Half-fiend work for demonic flavor or there is Lemorian but again I don't believe thats what you are looking for.

IMO psionics work best just like casters, the more levels you have increasing you ML the better. A lot of the Demons/Devils can have ECLs of 10+ and cut your class abilities in half or more.

well im looking at a half fiend one now my group is a lvl 5 with a free LA of +2 and i want to be basically a big horned winged demon but still have a heart thats why i liked what the half demon template from 4e said "Half-demon are a race that was created at the beginning of time. They strive to show rest of the world that they're not demonic. A half-demon will fight anyone or anything that stands in their way." and no matter what i play as in D&D im kinda like the big brother to all the players i am the first one to jump up and protect someone and i always get in front of them kinda like a protector thats my characters mentality in ever one i play

[Effero]

well im looking at a half fiend one now my group is a lvl 5 with a LA of +2 and i want to be basically a big horned winged demon but still have a heart thats why i liked what the half demon template from 4e said "Half-demon are a race that was created at the beginning of time. They strive to show rest of the world that they're not demonic. A half-demon will fight anyone or anything that stands in their way."

I know you said you didn't want the Diaboli, but if your DM is not using them in the campaign then just refluff it. It sounds like you are going for the look anyway... besides big demon dude would be nightmarish to standard npcs. You could use a Half-Giant template for size and a graft or symbiont for wings. Again if the DM doesn't use them ask for refluff, it is already in the game rules.

Just read your edit: It sounds like you are looking for fluff to match your character idea but I'm not sure you are going to find a perfect match.

EDIT: It also sounds like you would be better off with a melee build over a half rogue, half psionic.

[Ramza00]

If your DM is okay with it reflavor Half Fey as Half Demonic if you get 2 free la. Instead of butterfly wings you have wings of darkness, that look like the wings for the tv show gargoyles. Horns are just a flavor addition.

[Effero]

Master Template List (http://community.wizards.com/forum/previous-editions-character-optimization/threads/1117261) is the most complete I've seen if you want to do some digging on your own.

[gurgleflep]

I'm one of the players in the campaign which he'll be joining in on - the DM (it's her first time and I'm aiding her whenever I can) is going ECL 7 - most everybody has gone +2 LA and 5 class levels. I figured this bit of information might come in a bit handy.