Hinjo's Army?

[Ganjuu-kun]

Has anyone else noticed that Hinjo shouldn't have an army? All of the generals took their troops and left (and then sent ninjas after him). Will they disappear like the oots's horses after the inn blew up? Perhaps it's just a plot device...

[fwiffo]

All of the generals? Really?

And, of course, the only troops that left are those loyal to the lords that left. We don't know how many that is.

[Yellow]

Nobles =/= Generals.

[kpenguin]

Well, not all of the nobles left. Just the ones we saw. O'Chul seems to be a general and he certainly hasn't left. Any soldiers loyal to the throne itself also would be there.

[Weasel of Doom]

I assumed they took their soldiers but that there was also a city force

[Demented]

It only means that they lost the level 3+ vassals that would've totally turned the battle around in Azure City's favor, not to mention the innumerable ninjas. No big loss.

[PaladinFreak]

Yeah, With the inverse ninja law, it's probably a good thing the nobles left.

[BisectedBrioche]

The INL annoys me. Why couldn't they just send in an army of ninjas in one at a time for an ultra-efficent victory?

[BardicLasher]

The INL annoys me. Why couldn't they just send in an army of ninjas in one at a time for an ultra-efficent victory?

Because as soon as you acknowledge the law and attempt to cheat it, it fails.

[the_tick_rules]

yeah, they just lost two nobles, the rest are there.

[Roderick_BR]

The nobles that left took *their* troops, not the rest of the city's troops, that receives orders only from the city's lord, plus the paladins and clerics directly into the Sapphire Guard.

[bythethroat]

I'd also imagine there are a lot of peasant levies in there somewhere.

Something to the effect of giving a level 2 commoner a pointy stick and a blue suit and saying "Stay here and try not to die."

[the_tick_rules]

i dunno if azure formed a militia, he seemed to want the people out more than use them as militia

[Felius]

Maybe a volunteer militia. I also suspect that they gave weapons for the ones they couldn't fit on a ship.

[MrBean13]

I suppose this is like the battle of Helm's Deep in LotR (please don't be angry, but just look at the situation, except for the artillery it's a quite disturbingly parallelism) and therefore they have every soldier of AC's army under weapon plus volunteers plus maybe few men (and women) who where forced to defend the city.

[Bluelantern]

What the hell is the Inverse Ninja Law?

I only know the formula 1Ninja>1Pirate

[Vorais]

The inverse ninja law basically states that the more ninja's you have, the worse you do. If you have ever watched any of the movies or read books that use ninjas, the storeis that involve an army of ninja's the ninja's are always inept and lose. However, when it is based on a single ninja that ninja is very badass.


ninja power = 1/(x*ninja)

*Edit* Back on topic, the nobles are the only ones that left, not the generals. They are 2 completely different forces. The nobles had their own militias and assassins, but that does not mean the kingdom itself is without an army.

[hewhosaysfish]

Because as soon as you acknowledge the law and attempt to cheat it, it fails.

Exactly! Whenever the hero is surrounded by a number of ninjas (or any form of martial artists; the inverse nija law is more widely applicable than the name suggests) they only ever attack one after the other, trying to cheat the system. But it never works.

[Tola]

On the Ninja Law: That's mostly because they're likely badly TRAINED.

The more people you're training at once, the more you have to skimp. The single ones and small groups get EVERYTHING, the hordes get only the basics, if that. Ever noticed that the singles/small groups have lots of trickery and abilities(Even 'magic' or similar), whilst the hordes rarely have any? This is also true for other 'hordes vs singles' types, like, for instance, martial artists or pirates.

Now, if you could ensure the hordes got the full super-training the singles did....

[BisectedBrioche]

On the Ninja Law: That's mostly because they're likely badly TRAINED.

The more people you're training at once, the more you have to skimp. The single ones and small groups get EVERYTHING, the hordes get only the basics, if that. Ever noticed that the singles/small groups have lots of trickery and abilities(Even 'magic' or similar), whilst the hordes rarely have any? This is also true for other 'hordes vs singles' types, like, for instance, martial artists or pirates.

Now, if you could ensure the hordes got the full super-training the singles did....

But how does this explain the pirate equivalent? The Direct Pirate Factor if you will.

[Sothicus]

Actually, very specifically, Nobels in the city left with their men-at-arms. We don't know the exact number, but suffice to say that Azure city is outnumbered.

[Aegeus]

But how does this explain the pirate equivalent? The Direct Pirate Factor if you will.
Pirates do not need special training in the art of flipping out and killing people. Pirates thrive on mass chaos and blowing things to smithereens, which is far more effective in large numbers.

[BisectedBrioche]

Intriguing, what about robots and monkeys?

[CGM3]

Intriguing, what about robots and monkeys?

Oh, that's just sick and wrong!

Back on topic, it all depends on what type of "standing army" and "household troops" Azure City has.

Traditionally, especially before modern times, countries had small peacetime armies, a cadre of professionals who were expected to train and lead the recruits who swelled the ranks in time of war.

And before national armies -- in Western Europe, anyway -- the great nobles each maintained a force of warriors -- knights and footmen and the like -- which as often as not was kept to discourage the other great nobles from getting frisky. Bearing in mind that a feudal king was just the "first among equals" in the nobility, whose personal army might well be outnumbered by two or three of the other peers of the realm, and sometimes ruling a country could become a ticklish exercise in not-ticking-off-the-other-guys-with-the-fancy-titles.

In any event, The Giant has not revealed the inner workings of Azure City's military structure to use 'cause it isn't necessary to the story. Hinjo will have the troops he has, just as Xykon and redcloak have the horde they have, and the outcome depends on the plot. :smallcool: