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LordHenry
2014-08-07, 04:59 PM
Sorry for the boring title, but an important question has come up: If a three-kreen (MM2 or EPH) takes levels in ranger and chooses TWF as his combat style - does he get Multiweapon Fighting instead of TWF?

My thought for this scenario happening: Multiweapon Fighting says, that "This feat replaces the Two-Weapon Fighting feat for creatures with more than two arms." So when I would get TWF, do I get this instead?

Thoughts?

Fax Celestis
2014-08-07, 05:05 PM
Short answer: yes.

Long answer: Yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeees.

Darrin
2014-08-07, 07:09 PM
Short answer: yes.

Long answer: Yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeees.

What he said.

Note: The 3.5 version of Improved MWF and Greater MWF have only ever been printed in the Epic section of the SRD, but they screwed up the BAB prereqs (they should be +6 and +11, not +9 and +15). But if you get it as a Ranger, you ignore the prereqs.

Zanos
2014-08-07, 07:11 PM
What he said.

Note: The 3.5 version of Improved MWF and Greater MWF have only ever been printed in the Epic section of the SRD, but they screwed up the BAB prereqs (they should be +6 and +11, not +9 and +15). But if you get it as a Ranger, you ignore the prereqs.
Who said that's a screwup? A feat that gives +3 attacks should have higher prerequisites than a feat that gives +1 attack.

Darrin
2014-08-07, 07:36 PM
Who said that's a screwup? A feat that gives +3 attacks should have higher prerequisites than a feat that gives +1 attack.

The +9 and +15 are from the 3.0 rules. If you don't use the BAB from the 3.5 Improved/Greater TWF, then you run into a dysfunction when a Thri-kreen with BAB +6 takes Improved TWF but can't swap it for Improved MWF until he gets another +3 BAB.

Getting extra hands without LA or racial HD is actually somewhat difficult, so there's no real need to increase the BAB prereq above what Improve/Greater TWF have in 3.5. It's an editorial error, not a design decision. They forgot to lower the BAB prereqs to match the 3.5 versions.

Curmudgeon
2014-08-08, 02:55 AM
The +9 and +15 are from the 3.0 rules. If you don't use the BAB from the 3.5 Improved/Greater TWF, then you run into a dysfunction when a Thri-kreen with BAB +6 takes Improved TWF but can't swap it for Improved MWF until he gets another +3 BAB.
It doesn't actually work that way. Improved Multiweapon Fighting replaces Improved Two-Weapon Fighting if you have 3+ arms. There's no option for you to choose Improved Two-Weapon Fighting in the first place, because that feat has already been replaced (does not exist) as far as you're concerned.