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Porthos
2014-08-08, 02:37 AM
Welcome to another installment of the Girl Genius Thread!

Many elegant and finely-crafted links follow:

Links to Previous Threads
Girl Genius! (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=4818) (original thread)
Girl Genius II (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=80718)
Girl Genius III: Nize Thread! (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=92541)
Girl Genius IV: Because SCIENCE! is my mistress (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=102230)
Girl Genius V: Madre de Diodes! (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=112305)
Girl Genius VI: Der Pestle in Der Kestle (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=128538)
Girl Genius VII: Get on the Slab, I Want to Get to Work! (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=143909)
Girl Genius: VIII: Will Show Them All! (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=159600)
Girl Genius IX: The Unstoppable Thread (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=173582)
Girl Genius X: The Othar Shoe Drops (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=189632)
Girl Genius XI: Ding Dong, the Baron's Dead! (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=207223)
Girl Genius XII: For Doom The Bell Tolls (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=227697)
Girl Genius XIII: "Gott's Leedle Feesh in Trousers!" (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=245508)
Girl Genius XIV: A Lightning Arc in All But Speed! (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=266978)
Girl Genius XV: The Weasel, the Spark, and the Wardrobe (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=287759)
Girl Genius XVI: The Wrath of Klaus (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?322309)

Comic Links
Link to current comic (http://girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php) and link to the beginning of the strip. (http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20021104) (Updates MWF at or sometime after Midnight [Eastern Time])
The Continuing Adventures of Othar Tryggvassen, Gentleman Adventurer! (http://twitter.com/Othar) (back on hiatus, may update in the future)
A compilation (and much easier to read if you're just catching up) of the first three chapters can be found here at the GG website (http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/fun/twitter_othar_01.php).
And if one goes to snapbird.org (http://snapbird.org/) and types in "Othar" in the 'Who?' field, all of Othar's adventures can be read on one page (albiet in reverse order of posting - Now must have a Twitter account to use).
Mirror of the comic found on LiveJournal (http://girlgeniuscomic.livejournal.com/) (Often will update before the main page is updated, so beware of spoilers)
Mirror of the comic found on Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/pages/Girl-Genius-Webcomic/28371352860?ref=nf) (Will occasionally have Girl Genius related news)
And one can find mirrors of Girl Genius on deviantArt as well (http://girlgeniuscomic.deviantart.com/). (Occasionally Kaja will put up or link to interesting GG related art that is found on dA)

Reference Links
Wiki Project devoted to to Girl Genius (http://girlgenius.wikia.com/wiki/The_Department_of_Almost_Certainly_True_History)
Wikipedia entry on Girl Genius. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Girl_Genius)
TV Tropes page on Girl Genius. (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/GirlGenius)
The Secret Blueprints (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4272360&postcount=1478) (NOTE: Contains background information on the GG Universe, so it should probably be read after "catching up" to the newest comic, as it contains many spoilers.)

Social Media and News Links
Phil Foglio's new Wordpress art, news, and blogging website. (http://girlgeniusadventures.com/)
Kaja Foglio's LJ Page (http://kajafoglio.livejournal.com/) and Studio Foglio News LJ Page (http://studiofoglio.livejournal.com/) (Not currently being updated)
Kaja & Phil's Personal Facebook Page (http://www.facebook.com/pages/Kaja-Phil-Foglio/196305144555) (Not currently being updated)
A twitter account that basically is a catch-all feed for Girl Genius related news. (http://twitter.com/girlgenius)
Cheyenne Wright's Twitter (http://twitter.com/CheyenneWright) and LiveJournal Accounts (http://cheyennewright.livejournal.com/) (The colorist's twitter and LJ pages)
And finally,
Phil's old LJ page. (http://philfoglio.livejournal.com/) (Occasionally contains crossposts from the Wordpress website)

Porthos
2014-08-08, 02:40 AM
And finally we're about to see what happened. Damn Friday cliffhangers. :smallannoyed:

Must say I like how this shows Bang's no dummmy when it comes to observing things. That "you were about to lie" was a classic moment for her. :smallamused:

The Glyphstone
2014-08-08, 02:41 AM
Well, this is an interesting revelation, and a nice cliffhanger for the weekend.


So Gil knows he's carrying around a copy of Klaus in his head?

Porthos
2014-08-08, 02:47 AM
Well, this is an interesting revelation, and a nice cliffhanger for the weekend.


So Gil knows he's carrying around a copy of Klaus in his head?


Bang also covered herself in regards to the 'my son is too fool to see it' bit with the "you've been saying and doing some really strange stuff" line.

A bit of a copout, I suppose. But it works.

...

I guess it does remind one just how coo-coo Sparks could be that Bang didn't immediately add two and two there. Of course, if she doesn't know about the brain transfer machine tech, that does give her a slight out. I'd have to go back and look at the Gil/Bang talk when Gil was talking about the 'cure' for being Wasped what he did and/or did not say.

Grif
2014-08-08, 03:15 AM
Well, well.

Another cliffhanger. Darn weekends. :smalltongue:

wingnutx
2014-08-08, 04:01 AM
One is in the know, and one has been in the dark the entire time, but I think we've all been making a wrong assumption on which is which.

blauregen
2014-08-08, 04:06 AM
Don't make 'construction' movements with your hands if you are about to spin a yarn for Bang.

Thomar_of_Uointer
2014-08-08, 04:16 AM
So it looks like this is a mutual, consenting, symbiotic relationship (unlike every other mind-write we've seen so far). Klaus gets a body that isn't wasped and the opportunity to keep fighting Lucrezia. Gil get the expertise and experience he needs to run the Empire, plus a ton of useful information he will need to defeat the Other. The two of them overlap on 95% of their goals, with the only major point of contention being how to deal with Agatha. No wonder they've been able to keep up the facade for two years, and it explains why they've been conflicting so badly since Agatha got out of Mechanisburg.

This does leave a question as to why this copy of Klaus hasn't been moved into a construct yet. He obviously has reverse-engineered a few of Lucrezia's toys, so all they need to do is whip up a fresh construct and dump him into it. Maybe he's super-paranoid about Lucrezia finding out that he's still working against her. Maybe Klaus is trying to take advantage of Gil's reputation for being underestimated.

blauregen
2014-08-08, 04:41 AM
Seffie apparently knew (http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20140502), while Bang, who is nearly constantly with him and plays his psychotic big sister didn't figure it out.

Are Gil and Seffie so close that they share intimate details like his head-guests?

Emperordaniel
2014-08-08, 05:49 AM
Bang's been going up several notches in my list of "favorite characters still around and kicking" for the past few comics now, and this one is no exception. Looks like we'll finally be getting a (somewhat?) definitive answer to the Gil/Klaus situation, next comic. :smallbiggrin:

stsasser
2014-08-08, 07:13 AM
Well, well.

Another cliffhanger. Darn weekends. :smalltongue:

Monday: back with Agatha and the bears.

I'm not going to try to prove it, but I think the Foglios are switching back and forth between Agatha's Adventures and Gil's Griefs a little more regularly in this volume than previously.

HandofShadows
2014-08-08, 07:33 AM
Monday: back with Agatha and the bears.


Very good chance of that happening.

kida
2014-08-08, 08:14 AM
Monday: back with Agatha and the bears.

Plus, by the time we get back to Gil, it will be after the explanation.

Qwertystop
2014-08-08, 10:04 AM
Plus, by the time we get back to Gil, it will be after the explanation.

Or it will be interrupted by an issue with Vole. They don't frequently merge timeskips with POV-switches.

The Glyphstone
2014-08-08, 01:22 PM
My bet, right now. Gil will explain the situation to Bang...and then it'll turn out that somewhere in the middle, The Incredible Volk and Higgs stopped fighting and listened in on just enough of the conversation to be a problem.

Porthos
2014-08-08, 01:36 PM
Seffie apparently knew (http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20140502), while Bang, who is nearly constantly with him and plays his psychotic big sister didn't figure it out.

Are Gil and Seffie so close that they share intimate details like his head-guests?

Don't forget that Klaus claimed to at least a few people that Gil has been Wasped. (http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20130308) Seffie could be referring to that since it is also assumed by more than a few people Agatha is the Other as well. Which, to be fair.... :smallwink:

Gotta love the super tangly plot that's been constructed here. :smalltongue:

blauregen
2014-08-08, 02:05 PM
Don't forget that Klaus claimed to at least a few people that Gil has been Wasped. (http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20130308) Seffie could be referring to that since it is also assumed by more than a few people Agatha is the Other as well. Which, to be fair.... :smallwink:


She is...kind of....sometimes. :smallbiggrin:

But yes, it could be Seffie thinks that he is wasped.



Gotta love the super tangly plot that's been constructed here.


I'd like to draw a flowchart, but I am not even sure how many parties are involved. What happened to Lunevka and Zola? Where is Boris? Exactly how many KoJ-factions are active? Does Seffie work with or against Tweedle?

Kislath
2014-08-09, 12:20 AM
FINALLY!!
Or not. yep, I think we'll be getting back to the train on Monday. GRRR!

PsyBomb
2014-08-09, 05:25 PM
Gah, the cliffhanger...

Figuring that Klaus somehow figured out he was Wasped, and acted to take himself out of the picture by writing his un-wasped mind into Gil's so that he can accomplish the twin goals of re-establishing dominance over Europa after his convalescence and de-wasping him. As mentioned above, the goals tend to be in-line on everything but Agatha, and for the two years she was out of the picture all was going well... or as well as can be expected for the Baron of Sparkland.

Emperordaniel
2014-08-10, 05:36 AM
Figuring that Klaus somehow figured out he was Wasped,

That part was pretty easy, especially since Lucrezia outright told him he was wasped (http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20061206#.U-dK_PmSxPc) moments after the deed was done. :smalltongue:

PsyBomb
2014-08-10, 08:54 AM
That part was pretty easy, especially since Lucrezia outright told him he was wasped (http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20061206#.U-dK_PmSxPc) moments after the deed was done. :smalltongue:

Guess that was kinda simple. More applicable would probably have been figuring out how to circumvent whatever orders he was given, or that were default to the slaver. Things like not committing suicide (time freeze!) or acting against his Imprint (gestalting?)

Porthos
2014-08-11, 03:56 AM
Awwwww. Bang really does care. :smalltongue:

ALSO: Cheyenne interlude coming up? Should be fun. Always like to see his work get more exposure. :smallsmile:

blauregen
2014-08-11, 04:09 AM
Everybody blames Gil. (http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20140811) He'll snap once he fails to rescue Tarvek or Klaus from Mechanicsburg and will go into destroyer mode, until our heroine comes back and restores hope.

Rodin
2014-08-11, 04:23 AM
Welp.

Confirmation of what we already surmised, I guess.

It does seem to imply that an un-wasped Klaus is in the back of Gil's head, since they're at war with the Other. Unless that's also a shell game...

With a box
2014-08-11, 05:16 AM
I hate Jagermonsters because I cannot understand their weard words.
Is there a deciphered script for them?

HandofShadows
2014-08-11, 06:58 AM
I think this is where Bang might go rouge on Gil. For his own good of course.

ChowGuy
2014-08-11, 07:43 AM
I hate Jagermonsters because I cannot understand their weard words.
Is there a deciphered script for them?

Ho! Fonny hyu shud hask! Try dis site (http://home.hiwaay.net/~lkseitz/comics/girlgenius/jagertrans.shtml) hout!

Honly, vot meenz "weard?" Hy kent find dat inna dictionhary hat all.:smallconfused:

eee
2014-08-11, 08:03 AM
IN-teresting. Assuming the copy of Klaus in Gil's head can communicate with him, either it hasn't told Gil that Klaus was the one who was WASPed, or Gil is not telling Bang that, for some reason. Lu's stricture on Klaus not to tell anyone he's under her control would, logically, not extend to a copy of his mind that's free of the biological control of the WASP.

Maybe.


Awwwww. Bang really does care. :smalltongue:

Well, yes. It's been pretty clear she's like Gil's abusive - but concerned - older sister for a while now.

Family.



ALSO: Cheyenne interlude coming up? Should be fun. Always like to see his work get more exposure. :smallsmile:

Hear hear!

ChowGuy
2014-08-11, 08:41 AM
either it hasn't told Gil that Klaus was the one who was WASPed, or Gil is not telling Bang that, for some reason.

Gil already told Bang his suspicions (http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20120319#.U-jGLYlBnr8). She either believes him now, or not. If not, telling her again would do nothing to make her trust him.

With a box
2014-08-11, 08:43 AM
Ho! Fonny hyu shud hask! Try dis site (http://home.hiwaay.net/~lkseitz/comics/girlgenius/jagertrans.shtml) hout!

Honly, vot meenz "weard?" Hy kent find dat inna dictionhary hat all.:smallconfused:

1. I misspelled 'weird'
2. English is not my native language
3. Translater in your link is dose not support jager to english :(

ChowGuy
2014-08-11, 09:04 AM
1. I misspelled 'weird'
Figured that. I was being facetious because...

2. English is not my native language
...as we say elsewhere, where we post in odd dialects a lot:
"We spell mostly phonetically here; it helps if you read it out loud (or at least pronounce to yourself)."
Sort of like writing "weard" for "weird" because it's logical to think it's spelled that way.

Also, remember that it's more or less supposed to represent English spoken with an an [archaic] Low German accent, so think of all the really bad Hollywood "accents" you've seen. Why Jägers in Transylvania would be speaking English with a bad German accent I don't know, but...


3. Translater in your link is dose not support jager to english :(
Well drat. I'm sure I've seen one somewhere that does, but I took the first Google hit.

BRC
2014-08-11, 09:14 AM
My personal theory on the Jaeger's voices isn't that their accent is specifically a result of the process, it's just how people used to talk. Considering where the comic is set, most of the characters are probably speaking German or something similar, The Jager's "German" accents are because their pronunciation is a few centuries out of date.

Zazu Yen
2014-08-11, 12:29 PM
Signs of true intelligence and a will to use it from Bang, it suits her. I am unclear on why she would start pounding on Gil after this explanation though. Dislike of mind control or not you'd think she'd be in favor of Klause pulling the strings on Gil since she doesn't like or trust Agatha either. But line, "and you let him" shows she simply doesn't believe Gil would have agreed to such a thing and I think she's right.

Now I'll bet she's trying to beat Klause to the forefront to have a word with him. We've seen him come out before here (http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20131227#.U-j7VY1dWcp) where Gil says, "and my son is still too much of a fool to see it." (how did Bang miss that?).

We might be in for an Bang vs. Gil vs. Vole vs. Higgs dustup which would be epic, though we could just come back from the next train segment to the smoking remains of Gil's lab and whoever is still standing.

Calemyr
2014-08-11, 12:48 PM
Signs of true intelligence and a will to use it from Bang, it suits her. I am unclear on why she would start pounding on Gil after this explanation though. Dislike of mind control or not you'd think she'd be in favor of Klause pulling the strings on Gil since she doesn't like or trust Agatha either. But line, "and you let him" shows she simply doesn't believe Gil would have agreed to such a thing and I think she's right.

Now I'll bet she's trying to beat Klause to the forefront to have a word with him. We've seen him come out before here (http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20131227#.U-j7VY1dWcp) where Gil says, "and my son is still too much of a fool to see it." (how did Bang miss that?).

We might be in for an Bang vs. Gil vs. Vole vs. Higgs dustup which would be epic, though we could just come back from the next train segment to the smoking remains of Gil's lab and whoever is still standing.

I think "and you let him" isn't a sign of disbelief, but of disappointment. Gil just committed probably the biggest taboo in Bang's book (which is probably more of a leaflet, honestly): he gave up his freedom. And in the worst way possible, too, not even managing to maintain freedom within the space between his ears.

Bang is many things, but one thing she consistently is is herself. She works well in the Empire because Klaus had a talent for letting monsters be themselves, but be themselves in service to the Empire instead of at the cost of it. She happily and unabashedly mentions to Klaus at one point that she knows she hadn't been wasped because she can (and does) disobey orders whenever she feels like it, but he puts her in a position where she's able to find her own happy medium between obedience and independence.

Gil sacrificed all freedom, all independence, and I don't think it matters a whit to Bang why he did it. That's just something you don't do. You just don't.

BRC
2014-08-11, 01:22 PM
Bang would make an Excellent Jager. She's got the skills, the love of violence, the deep loyalty, the outraged response to the idea of mind control, and a Hat.
As for why she's punching Gil, a combination of "HOW COULD YOU LET HIM DO THAT" and "THIS IS THE CLOSEST I CAN GET TO PUNCHING KLAUS RIGHT NOW!" would be my guess.

Porthos
2014-08-11, 01:36 PM
We've seen him come out before here (http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20131227#.U-j7VY1dWcp) where Gil says, "and my son is still too much of a fool to see it." (how did Bang miss that?).

How did Bang miss that? Easy. She's wasn't looking for that evidence at the time and chalked it up to "Gil saying something stupid".

I figure that's why the Foglios has her Bang say those almost exact words a few times in the space of two updates.

It did make her suspicious though, as she said that Gil had been acting weirdly ever since Agatha resurfaced.

I know there are a lot of people complaining about this over at the LJ (and probably other places), but the above answer is the solution, IMO (and if anyone from there is lurking here and a member in said places, feel free to pass these thoughts [including the ones below] along :smalltongue:)

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There's another angle to all of this. I think we might be letting the medium get in the way here. From Bang's perspective, Gil made a strange comment that didn't make much sense in a tense situation, and then moved on to something else (presumably - we didn't get to see the next scene).

From OUR perspective, Gil made a thunderous pronouncement that we could see over and over again as we reread the page over and over again, looking for more clues. Worse, it was the last 'real' update for months, so it being the last thing Gil said was kept fresh in our minds.

But for Bang? Something, obviously, immediately happened next as the 'camera' panned it away. And I doubt Gil/Klaus went on to say "My Son, Gilgamesh, BTW, is a love sick puppy. I think Gil is stupid stupid stupid. Bang, are you paying attention? I just said my son, who I don't have, is stupid. Please do keep up." :smallwink:

Sure, we knew the significance of the comment almost immediately (and even then, there was debate over just what it meant as it was hashed out on a prior discussion thread). But Bang? It would be one of those, "What the hell did he mean by that? Maybe something is wrong with my boss." She didn't confront him immediately for various reasons. Plus, she wanted to see if it was just Gil being 'stupid' (where being stupid = acting silly, sparky, and/or deranged) or if it was more serious.

Thus she gathered evidence/observed things to support her suspicious and acted when she felt that something was indeed up and she wanted answers. Plus, you know, perfect situation to act.

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All of this plus do we really know that Bang knows about the Other being able to 'imprint' itself on others? If she doesn't know about that possibility, she might not immediately leap to a "Wow! Gil's possessed, just like Agatha is" deduction. Even in the latest update, she puts it as 'mind control you', not 'possess you'.

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All that being said, the Foglios probably could have handled this better by inserting (possibly clunky) dialogue like, "When you rambled on about having a son, I just thought it was you being stupid again. But ever since then you've been doing more and more stupid stuff that doesn't add up."

Which, to be fair, the Foglios sort of did. They just didn't spell it out. Plusses and minuses to that strategy. Probably a net minus here, given the conversations it has spawned. But nothing that can't be reasoned out, IMO.

HandofShadows
2014-08-11, 01:40 PM
I think "and you let him" isn't a sign of disbelief, but of disappointment. Gil just committed probably the biggest taboo in Bang's book (which is probably more of a leaflet, honestly): he gave up his freedom. And in the worst way possible, too, not even managing to maintain freedom within the space between his ears.


I think Gil probably didn't *really* understand what was going to happen.

Porthos
2014-08-11, 01:59 PM
I think Gil probably didn't *really* understand what was going to happen.

Oh, he probably did to some degree.

It think it might more be a situation where he had little choice. He was boxed in and trapped in a lab. Even if he broke out, then what? He couldn't even stage a coup against his father (presuming he'd even want to) since half the 'court' that Klaus keeps thinks Gil has been wasped. Maybe he could have escaped Castle Wulfenbach somehow, but then what? He was in a bad situation. He might not have been in checkmate, but it was pretty darn close.

Beyond that, Gil, in his arrogance, might have thought he could eventually work around his father's control. Push around the edges. Use this as a gambit to allow himself more movement on the board and 'help' where he could. Gil IS very self-assured after all. Klaus might have even counted on that self-assurance for Gil to accept the deal.

wingnutx
2014-08-11, 04:50 PM
I am unclear on why she would start pounding on Gil after this explanation though.



It's her default response.

Jimor
2014-08-11, 09:29 PM
Also, both Gil AND Klaus lied to her and kept her in the dark. Two birds with one punch. :smalltongue:

wingnutx
2014-08-11, 10:57 PM
And she just plain enjoys hurting people.

She's the Belkar of Girl Genius.

blauregen
2014-08-11, 11:38 PM
Beyond that, Gil, in his arrogance, might have thought he could eventually work around his father's control. Push around the edges. Use this as a gambit to allow himself more movement on the board and 'help' where he could. Gil IS very self-assured after all. Klaus might have even counted on that self-assurance for Gil to accept the deal.

At that point he had his very own friendly expert on Lu-style mind control down in Mechanicsburg, and he likely didn't expect Klaus to freeze the whole town or Tarvek to be poison-knifed.

Anyway, with how much dissatisfaction we see from his staff, his failure to get Agatha, his problems with extracting Vole and now even Bang blaming him for things he had not much choice, but to let happen, I think this is the 'Break-Gil-until-he-cries'-arc. Consequently we won't get the guy who possibly could solve his possession problems, and might just make look Tweedle incompetent, when it comes to seizing the KoJ, back. Higgs will possibly follow the castle's order too and leave him.

I suspect he will accidentally kill Tarvek in an attempt to rescue him, which would cost him the rest of his self-confidence, and give him some additional angst. Friendless, disheartened and distrusted, he will then lose the rest of his empire until our heroine returns and restores hope.

Aquillion
2014-08-12, 12:34 AM
Other reasons why Gil might have agreed:

He has a very pressing reason to want to study this process. Allowing his father to do it to him so he can experience it first-hand (and then explore it with someone who is at least not totally antagonistic to him) gives him a better chance of curing Agatha from the same situation.

He might actually believe he was wasped. He seemed uncertain at the time.

He might recognize his father's situation (he knows his father was wasped); under such dire circumstances, allying with his father like this may have been his only option, especially realizing that it would let at least a version of his father out of Lucrezia's control.

Ailurus
2014-08-12, 06:17 AM
Other reasons why Gil might have agreed:


The main reason Gil agreed was made clear ages ago back in the Siege arc - Either Gil submits to Klaus's plan, or Mechanicsburg is reduced to rubble. (http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20121024) This is confirmed a short time later, when Gil has switched over from helping Agatha to trying to convince her she's doomed and needs to surrender to Klaus. (http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20121226) (and then attempting abduction by force when she doesn't agree to surrender). And literally one strip after Gil gets back on Castle Wulfenbach, Klaus says Gil has been "rendered harmless" (http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20130308) and immediately preps for his airdrop.

Now, granted, at the time we didn't know exactly what he was agreeing to, but its pretty clear now. Klaus used the leverage of destroying Agatha to get a copy of himself installed willingly in Gil, and then shot himself into the time field in order to prevent Lucrezia from having control over the empire.

HandofShadows
2014-08-12, 08:56 AM
Good point Ailurus. If Klaus could get in with the Magic Eightball that screws with time, he could have sent in something that would have wiped the city off the map for good.

factotum
2014-08-12, 10:10 AM
By the same token, he could have sent said destructive item in while being in the city and thus killing himself, which seems a far more robust solution to keeping him away from the Empire than the whole time bubble thing. Also note that Gil seems to be rather anxious to rescue his father from the time bubble, which would seem to be the opposite of what the Klaus gestalt in his head wants if Ailurus' theory is correct.

Lochar
2014-08-12, 02:10 PM
By the same token, he could have sent said destructive item in while being in the city and thus killing himself, which seems a far more robust solution to keeping him away from the Empire than the whole time bubble thing. Also note that Gil seems to be rather anxious to rescue his father from the time bubble, which would seem to be the opposite of what the Klaus gestalt in his head wants if Ailurus' theory is correct.

Klaus was probably under standing orders to not remove himself from control of the empire, so the Other wouldn't lose control. Clank girl probably understood the story.

So, he puts a copy of himself in Gil so he still has empire control, locks his actual body into the timefield, and then between Gil and Klaus expounded on the anti-wasp formula to remove a wasp. So when they do eventually pull Klaus' body out of the time freeze, they remove the wasp from the body, transfer Klaus' additional memories back to the main head, and then drops from Gil.

Now granted, part three and four of the above plan hasn't happened yet so I expect about six years worth of comics to get to that point.

With a box
2014-08-12, 10:40 PM
I personally think that spark itself is a kind of mind control. And this assume makes the locket's function clear: denial of mind effect.
And possible reason for doing it :
Somebody found a intelligence enhancer, but it makes subject's mind unstable as a side effect.
War is considered bring technologycal advence, but they don't want to hurt themselves. So, they make war at somewhere else.
And inject sparks to people there, it will excel the tech advence and easily make war due to unstable mind.
And the 'someone' take techs from them and keep themself safe and uneffected.

Emperordaniel
2014-08-12, 11:27 PM
I personally think that spark itself is a kind of mind control. And this assume makes the locket's function clear: denial of mind effect.
And possible reason for doing it :
Somebody found a intelligence enhancer, but it makes subject's mind unstable as a side effect.
War is considered bring technologycal advence, but they don't want to hurt themselves. So, they make war at somewhere else.
And inject sparks to people there, it will excel the tech advence and easily make war due to unstable mind.
And the 'someone' take techs from them and keep themself safe and uneffected.

That wouldn't explain how the Spark seems to be hereditary in many cases, though (never mind the fact that Sparks with the capability to make war technologies of any great use would likely be powerful enough to kill/enslave/capture and mutate any non-Spark who tried to take their technology away from them). :smallconfused:

Aquillion
2014-08-12, 11:43 PM
I personally think that spark itself is a kind of mind control. And this assume makes the locket's function clear: denial of mind effect.
And possible reason for doing it :
Somebody found a intelligence enhancer, but it makes subject's mind unstable as a side effect.
War is considered bring technologycal advence, but they don't want to hurt themselves. So, they make war at somewhere else.
And inject sparks to people there, it will excel the tech advence and easily make war due to unstable mind.
And the 'someone' take techs from them and keep themself safe and uneffected.I doubt it. I think that Klaus changed the locket's function from "suppress the Spark" to "suppress the Other", since he thought Agatha was the Other. It just so happened that by the time she put it on, she actually was the Other; but since it was possession, it didn't work the way Klaus expected.

wingnutx
2014-08-13, 12:41 AM
Now, granted, at the time we didn't know exactly what he was agreeing to, but its pretty clear now. Klaus used the leverage of destroying Agatha to get a copy of himself installed willingly in Gil, and then shot himself into the time field in order to prevent Lucrezia from having control over the empire.

Agreed. He wanted to put himself beyond Lucrezia's reach. This way he gets to have his cake and eat it too.

With a box
2014-08-13, 01:07 AM
That wouldn't explain how the Spark seems to be hereditary in many cases, though

vertical transmission can explain why lt looks like hereditary but not strictly hereditary.
and I thought at first it connected to their supercomputer in wireless way to get basic knowledge.
and I get this idea when I wondered where they get those knowledge at breakthrough. they didn't learn that, did they?

yes, I've gone too far and it will need 10years worth of comic even if it is true:smallbiggrin:

ChowGuy
2014-08-13, 01:22 AM
I wondered where they get those knowledge at breakthrough. they didn't learn that, did they?
Yes, they do, if they're lucky enough to survive their first experiments. Remember what the Countess said: "Those of us who are, aren't necessarily any good at it." And Master Paine chipped in with "What about someone really brilliant, but born into a poor village? Without education, what can they do? (http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20050422#.U-sDh4lBnr8) Agatha had a good eduction before she was allowed to "break through" with her first working clank, and she still needed practice.

====

I think a lot of people are mireading Klaus, believing him to be the "Benelolent Tryant" interested only in keeping the "Pax Wulfenbach." To be honest, he probably believes that himself and may even started out that way. But the historian once observed "Power tends to curruot, and absolute power corrupts absolutely." Lately, he's become more concerned with maintaining his personal control at any cost, then the cost itself. Why do you think he's performing experiments on "what causes the spark?" He's as obessed with eradicating it as Othar, but unlike the latter, he doesn't intend to destroy himsef, just anyone who could challenge him. ANYONE - "the Other" is just his biggest bogeyman.

Consider. What was Klaus very first reaction on seeing Punch and Judy, even before learning Agatha was the daughter of Lucrezia Mongfish? Not "Hello old comrades in arms. Have you come to help me fight the slaver wasps?" but "Contain them!" (http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20040728#.U-ryUolBnr9)

And what did he tell the students, who had spent more time with her then he himself had? "You rally to her side. Even in defience of ME[/]!" He doesn't [i]care if she's innocent, much less Good or Evil. He only cares that he might not be able to command her. He's paranoid, has been ever since he came home with "all of that [that he got from the Boys] burned out of him" and it's gotten worse.


Which brings me to a Stupid Wildass Epleptic Tree notion I've been pondering for sometime. Which doesn't involve Pinky.

We still don't know exactly what happened at the Castle the night "the Other" attacked and spirited Lucrezia away, the event that started the Boys vs the Other campaign in the first place. Popular theory of course is that "the Other" was Lucrezia, but why would she blow up her own base and disappear before she was ready? Nope that makes as much sense as bogus, because Lu was the one who built the summoning engine even before Agath was born, and turned it and "the Holy Child" over to the Geisters for safe keeping.

But if he believes it's possible to go back in time, and has been working on altering the flow of time (as we know he has) what's to say that Future!Klaus wouldn't try it himself. Attack the Castle (while the Boys are away) aduct his arch nemesis, and then uses "the Other's" technology (which he understands better then anyone else, and admits is "like Lucrezia's, but more advanced") to prevent the Boys from interfering. Worst case, he ends up setting the unsuspecting Younger!Klaus to build the Empire in the first place.

One other detail to remember. Barry came back (http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20040809#.U-sAUYlBnr8) and left young Agatha and her locket under the eye not of Klaus, but another old friend and mentor Dr. Beetle. Klaus read his notes, and says he "knows why" Beetle was helping hide her, but that he "doesn't understand" some of what he wrote.

With a box
2014-08-13, 01:56 AM
Yes, they do, if they're lucky enough to survive their first experiments.
I asked about how they get knowledge required for make their "first experiment".
After breakthought is irrelevant

HandofShadows
2014-08-13, 02:08 AM
One other detail to remember. Barry came back (http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20040809#.U-sAUYlBnr8) and left young Agatha and her locket under the eye not of Klaus, but another old friend and mentor Dr. Beetle. Klaus read his notes, and says he "knows why" Beetle was helping hide her, but that he "doesn't understand" some of what he wrote.

The Clays almost certainly thought that Klaus was actually The Other, not Lucrezia (And they told Beetle that). They might have gotten the info from Lucrezia herself. Setting up Klaus as the Other was a perfect bit of misdirection on her part. Klaus was off in Skiflander and she didn't think he could come back. A perfect patsy.

As for Klaus being a "Benelolent Tryant", he is. And he HATES the job (http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20040114). The reason he grasps so much to power is he doesn't trust anyone else with it, not because he likes it. Many sparks are meglomaniacs who go and start wars, turn superweapons on armies or create monsters (even by accident). They are people NOT to be trusted to hold a seat on an empty bus, much less with any real power.

With a box
2014-08-13, 04:33 AM
A new side story? :(
Is that in canon?

ChowGuy
2014-08-13, 05:04 AM
The Clays almost certainly thought that Klaus was actually The Other, not Lucrezia (And they told Beetle that). They might have gotten the info from Lucrezia herself. Setting up Klaus as the Other was a perfect bit of misdirection on her part. Klaus was off in Skiflander and she didn't think he could come back. A perfect patsy.

Barry came back, with Agatha, who had not been born when the attack occurred and Lucrezia disappeared. Remember, that's why the Boys hied off the next day, so she couldn't have "told" them anything until they found her. If they found her. Last anyone we know of saw of her were the Priestesses she left Agatha with because "the gods were at war." Being as she was (to them) one of the gods herself, one has to ask who was at war with her that she was that worried about.

And it wasn't [Young] Klaus because as you point out, she had banished him to Skifander, and her [summoned] mind copy was later astonished to hear he'd made it back. That by the way happened before she and Bill were married, and presumably before Klaus Barry came along, which was still a year before the attack.

And while we're at it, where did Agatha come from, if even the Seneschal wasn't expecting another heir. Lucretia was very much no longer in "her usual delightful form" when she showed up at priestesses temple, wherever that is.


As for Klaus being a "Benelolent Tryant", he is. And he HATES the job (http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20040114). The reason he grasps so much to power is he doesn't trust anyone else with it, not because he likes it. Many sparks are meglomaniacs who go and start wars, turn superweapons on armies or create monsters (even by accident). They are people NOT to be trusted to hold a seat on an empty bus, much less with any real power.

So, guilty unless proven innocent, and probably even then because you might do something later? Because that's the way Klaus "benevolence" works. "No second chances"? Heck, no first chances.

But I agree, as I said, he probably thinks he's benevolent and "hates his job" but so did Consul Bonaparte. You know, the man who pretty much single handedly saved the French Republic, restored order, and gave Europe it's first code of written law since Rome. Until he decided to crown himself Emperor, and probably even then. Yeah, that Bonaparte. To borrow a phrase from Petruchio, "the Baron doth protest too much, methinks."


ETA: Forgot to add earlier: If Lucrezia was "the Other" that the Boys were running around fighting all that time, why did the attacks stop, and they (and she) suddenly disappear at the same time. If she had won "the war" why didn't she stay around and gloat. If she had lost, Bill (at least) would likely have given her a "second chance" and she'd have come back and whined while she plotted her next move. Either way sounds more like the Lucrezia we've seen glimpses of then just vanishing. Whatever befell them, it happened to all of them, and that's what I think Judy meant when she says "Barry came back."

Mind you, that was still before Young!Klaus' return with Gil. But he's not the Klaus I'm taking about. The Klaus I'm talking about would be Future!Klaus, gone back in time. And since he's a Spark and might still do it, by your own standards we should presume him guilty.

factotum
2014-08-13, 05:54 AM
Interesting art style Cheyenne's got when working on his own...

eee
2014-08-13, 06:24 AM
For SCIENCE! Of COURSE!!

I REALLY like the art!

It occurs to me that, in the GG universe, when someone says they'll have your head if you're dead, they may not be speaking metaphorically. O.O

Tarsus Hall? Really?

Theodessa DuMedd? Theo's got a sister? He's had a sex change? This is his clone with the the 'Y' chromosome changed to 'X'?

And Elmira Winters appears to have done what mortals SHOULD NOT have done, and pulled one of Agatha's ancestors to the present day. People are going to lose their hats.

ChowGuy
2014-08-13, 06:59 AM
Theodessa DuMedd? Theo's got a sister? He's had a sex change? This is his clone with the the 'Y' chromosome changed to 'X'?

Or a daughter. This DuMedd is a student at TPU. The Lady Heterodyne has been called away to France on urgent business, but no-one there seems to think that's odd, or that she's in hiding, so probably about as current/canon as any of the previous Girl Genius mini-adventures.

eee
2014-08-13, 09:02 AM
Or a daughter. This DuMedd is a student at TPU. The Lady Heterodyne has been called away to France on urgent business, but no-one there seems to think that's odd, or that she's in hiding, so probably about as current/canon as any of the previous Girl Genius mini-adventures.

She doesn't have red hair. Which, with her skin tone, would be smashing. So for this to be the future, and her Theo's daughter - which is possible - that would mean he and Sleiphir did not stay together.

Which would make me sad. :(

BRC
2014-08-13, 09:13 AM
She doesn't have red hair. Which, with her skin tone, would be smashing. So for this to be the future, and her Theo's daughter - which is possible - that would mean he and Sleiphir did not stay together.

Which would make me sad. :(

Genetics DO NOT WORK THAT WAY!

She could have inherited her father's skin tone AND hair color. IIRC, Red hair is a recessive gene, while black hair is dominant (I think? Maybe? I also think i'm oversimplifying things), so it's entirely possible for a dark-skinned dark-haired man and a pale-skinned redhaired woman to have a dark-haired dark-skinned child.

Radar
2014-08-13, 09:41 AM
Genetics DO NOT WORK THAT WAY!

She could have inherited her father's skin tone AND hair color. IIRC, Red hair is a recessive gene, while black hair is dominant (I think? Maybe? I also think i'm oversimplifying things), so it's entirely possible for a dark-skinned dark-haired man and a pale-skinned redhaired woman to have a dark-haired dark-skinned child.
Besides, red hair most often then not comes together with pale skin (and often verily so). Frankly, I haven't seen anyone with red hair and darker complexion.

I do like the idea for super double we mean it this time banned research list. :smallbiggrin:

eee
2014-08-13, 10:48 AM
Genetics DO NOT WORK THAT WAY!

She could have inherited her father's skin tone AND hair color. IIRC, Red hair is a recessive gene, while black hair is dominant (I think? Maybe? I also think i'm oversimplifying things), so it's entirely possible for a dark-skinned dark-haired man and a pale-skinned redhaired woman to have a dark-haired dark-skinned child.

You're talking reality. I'm talking comics. And in comics, red hair is such a dominant gene it overwhelms everything else. Even in human / non-human unions where the non-human species is bald, the hybrid offspring will STILL have red hair if the human had such anywhere in their genetic makeup. If Theodessa WERE the child of Theo and Sleiphir, she'd have red hair - and maybe freckles - no matter how dark her skin.

Especially if that made her more visually appealing. :smallsmile:

BRC
2014-08-13, 11:20 AM
You're talking reality. I'm talking comics. And in comics, red hair is such a dominant gene it overwhelms everything else. Even in human / non-human unions where the non-human species is bald, the hybrid offspring will STILL have red hair if the human had such anywhere in their genetic makeup. If Theodessa WERE the child of Theo and Sleiphir, she'd have red hair - and maybe freckles - no matter how dark her skin.

Especially if that made her more visually appealing. :smallsmile:
You're forgetting the other option: She has a red-haired, pale-skinned brother.

Ailurus
2014-08-13, 12:17 PM
Of course, speculating on parentage at all based on hair color is likely pointless, given that we're in a world where "for science" is a perfectly reasonable explanation for endangering the world. Given that we've got talking animals, brains in jars, brains in other people's brains, skin pigments that randomly shift (both lethal and non-lethal varieties) and mildly homicidal buildings that get bored easily, (to name just a few Sparky accomplishments we've seen) someone deciding that they want to change their hair color should be second-nature (plus, I doubt that Elmira's purple hair is 100% natural)

Porthos
2014-08-13, 01:35 PM
Interesting art style Cheyenne's got when working on his own...

The angular look to his characters is something of a signature style. Does seem to have evloved a bit since his Alan Arcane days (http://arcanetimes.com/before-arcane/). Still very recognizable though.

Already enjoying this though. Should be fun to see which Lady Heterodyne we get. From what we've heard, some of them were more fun than others. :smallbiggrin:

The Glyphstone
2014-08-13, 02:09 PM
Maybe it's a prequel, and not a current/future events deal? That could be Theo's mother/grandmother/other relative, not his daughter.

BRC
2014-08-13, 02:45 PM
My guess is that this is taking place in the same ill-defined future as the other Shorts, some time when Agatha is acknowledged as the Heterodyne, wandering around having Adventures (instead of being chased by Wulfenbach all the time)

Winterwind
2014-08-13, 02:46 PM
Maybe it's a prequel, and not a current/future events deal? That could be Theo's mother/grandmother/other relative, not his daughter.My first thought when reading that "Which Heterodyne?" line, at least, was that this story is probably taking place many decades (or centuries) before the main comic.

Darkspear
2014-08-13, 02:46 PM
Maybe it's a prequel, and not a current/future events deal? That could be Theo's mother/grandmother/other relative, not his daughter.

His mother is Lucrezia's sister, but could be a female from the paternal line

BannedInSchool
2014-08-13, 03:14 PM
Heh, the bottom credits.

memnarch
2014-08-13, 03:37 PM
Heh, the bottom credits.

Heh, I didn't notice that the first time. And then when I read it, I first thought it said the very /fired/, instead of /tired/. XD

halfeye
2014-08-13, 06:41 PM
My guess is that this is taking place in the same ill-defined future as the other Shorts, some time when Agatha is acknowledged as the Heterodyne, wandering around having Adventures (instead of being chased by Wulfenbach all the time)
You mean there's yet more of the appalling Othar? <Spews vigourously>

Mando Knight
2014-08-13, 11:30 PM
You mean there's yet more of the appalling Othar? <Spews vigourously>

Of course! Don't think that OTHAR TRYGGVASSEN, Gentleman Adventurer! can be put down that easily!

ChowGuy
2014-08-14, 02:41 AM
You're talking reality. I'm talking comics. And in comics, red hair is such a dominant gene it overwhelms everything else. Even in human / non-human unions where the non-human species is bald, the hybrid offspring will STILL have red hair if the human had such anywhere in their genetic makeup

By that thinking, Theo himself should have red/strawberry hair like his cousin, since he's the son of Serpentina Mongfish, who would have had to gotten her hair color from the same source as her http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20041213#.U-xhtYlBnr8, who then passed it on to Agatha.

The kicker of course is that Theo had to have gotten his coloration and his surname from his father's side, so Theodessa's likely not a direct ancestor. We have no indication of what he or any of the other DuMedds look like until now. She doesn't have to be from Theo's future line in the first place of course, but since he's never had any other family besides (til Agatha) "who aren't dead, or missing, or a head in a jar somewhere" she's probably not a sister and unlikely to be a cousin.

With a box
2014-08-14, 05:42 AM
they said they have some podcast, but it looks like the link is dead. or require storage admin account
is there a way get/buy them?
i found them : http://criticalpressmedia.com/category/media-junkie/audio-media-junkie/girl-genius-radio-theatre/

Ellen
2014-08-14, 10:26 PM
OK, I didn't see him coming.

In fact, I thought they were finally bringing in someone from the strange, mythical Americas that they've mentioned. I take it this is a future setting story?

Porthos
2014-08-14, 11:11 PM
Well, this is called the Homecoming King, so he shouldn't be that surprising. :smallwink:

Also: The Hyborian Cheyenne Wright. Nice. :smallsmile:


ETA::: Don't know why I just presumed it was one of the female Heterodynes, though in an earlier post. :smallconfused: Must be to used to equating "The Heterodyne" with Agatha and I messed up.

My bad. :smallredface: :smalltongue:

The Glyphstone
2014-08-15, 02:25 AM
Conan the Heterodyne?

Kislath
2014-08-15, 02:31 AM
So, what's this? The first Heterodyne apparently took a small swig of jaegerdraught and set sail for America, never to be seen again until today?

factotum
2014-08-15, 02:37 AM
Presumably he was brought from his own time by whatever gizmo was being used in the first strip? Him talking like a Jaeger presumably just confirms what we've suspected for some time--namely, that the Jaegers talk like they do because *everyone* spoke that way back when they were created.

Going back to the art style, I rather like it. I think Ht'Rok'Din looks particularly impressive.

ChowGuy
2014-08-15, 02:50 AM
So, what's this? The first Heterodyne apparently took a small swig of jaegerdraught and set sail for America, never to be seen again until today?

Nah. The first Heterodyne just drank from the spring of the Battle Goddess (http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20091102#.U-26rolBnr8) (later to become the Dyne). The jaegerdraught was first brewed by Vlad the Blasphemous, using it's waters as a key ingredient.

But that was a thousand years ago. What makes you assume he came from somewhere and not somewhen? The accent after all, is archaic.


ETA: Oops. Forgot the sthilly link.

eee
2014-08-15, 07:37 AM
Ho-ly cow, the first one. I anticipate much hilarity. O_O

(The student, for all of his knowledge, apparently isn't a history major or he'd be hammering De (is that his first name?) with questions. Even at the risk of having his arms and legs tied in knots.)


By that thinking, Theo himself should have red/strawberry hair like his cousin, since he's the son of Serpentina Mongfish, who would have had to gotten her hair color from the same source as her http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20041213#.U-xhtYlBnr8, who then passed it on to Agatha.

No, no, RED hair is dominant in fiction like this. Not strawberry blonde, but actual, flame red. red. The Mongfishes appear to be all blonde, and Bill and Barry were black and brunette, respectively, so it would appear other hair colorations don't have that kind of genetic power. I can't guess where green fits in, but Gil's hair is brown, and I don't think we've ever seen the Queen in color (http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20120423#.U-3-VqOuSuI) to be able to tell if her hair is black or dark green.

So obviously a wizard is responsible for all this.

stsasser
2014-08-15, 04:56 PM
Down next to the Basic and Advanced Tactical Studies books; are those gold DnD dice? :smallwink:

factotum
2014-08-16, 04:02 AM
Is he late uploading the third strip this week, or is he only doing two per week?

With a box
2014-08-16, 05:31 AM
Is he late uploading the third strip this week, or is he only doing two per week?

RSS feed says GG updated at 11th/13th/15th this week and 13th and 15th are Homecomeing king.

factotum
2014-08-16, 10:32 AM
Of course, I forgot Monday was a normal GG episode... :smallredface:

Persephone_Kore
2014-08-16, 11:19 PM
Zantabraxus in color. (http://boardgamegeek.com/image/285116/girl-genius-works)

Mando Knight
2014-08-17, 12:23 AM
Zantabraxus in color. (http://boardgamegeek.com/image/285116/girl-genius-works)

So assuming the tags on the cards are canon and not just there for gameplay, she's a Spark. Interesting.

factotum
2014-08-17, 02:07 AM
I'd say more "unsurprising"--every other nation in the world is led by a Spark, why would Skifander be any different?

With a box
2014-08-17, 04:50 AM
Does poor Cheyenne Wright draws comic now while everone else on tour? :smallfrown:

smuchmuch
2014-08-17, 05:59 AM
(I guess it's not quite the subject of the topic but Cheyenne's art has improved a lot since his Alan Arcane days.)

memnarch
2014-08-17, 11:27 AM
Does poor Cheyenne Wright draws comic now while everone else on tour? :smallfrown:

Cheyenne is basically doing a guest comic that'll be 6 pages while the others are somewhere. (touring i guess)

Persephone_Kore
2014-08-17, 11:50 AM
Cheyenne is basically doing a guest comic that'll be 6 pages while the others are somewhere. (touring i guess)

Loncon, for the Hugo Awards ceremony.

The Glyphstone
2014-08-17, 02:00 PM
So we finally get to meet Genghis (http://girlgenius.wikia.com/wiki/Ht%27rok-din).

factotum
2014-08-17, 04:38 PM
So we finally get to meet Genghis (http://girlgenius.wikia.com/wiki/Ht%27rok-din).

I'm a little confused now--the linked wiki suggests that the chap we saw in the strip where the Castle was talking about the first to drink the waters of the Dyne was Genghis's son, but the strip in question definitely says that the "first Heterodyne" drank the waters?

Porthos
2014-08-17, 05:56 PM
I'm a little confused now--the linked wiki suggests that the chap we saw in the strip where the Castle was talking about the first to drink the waters of the Dyne was Genghis's son, but the strip in question definitely says that the "first Heterodyne" drank the waters?

Near as I can tell, the Ht'Rok'Din conquered the area, while his son (named "Knife") built the (first) Castle.

Relevant strips:

http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20070416
http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20091102

Divayth Fyr
2014-08-17, 06:34 PM
Near as I can tell, the Ht'Rok'Din conquered the area, while his son (named "Knife") built the (first) Castle.

Relevant strips:

http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20070416
http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20091102
While Wooster does say it was the son, the second linked strip seems to attribute both the drinking and building the first castle to the first Heterodyne who came to the area (which would be the Ht'Rok'Din).

Emperordaniel
2014-08-17, 06:47 PM
While Wooster does say it was the son, the second linked strip seems to attribute both the drinking and building the first castle to the first Heterodyne who came to the area (which would be the Ht'Rok'Din).

Perhaps the Ht'Rok'Din began the castle, but died before it was completed, which it then was by Knife?

Porthos
2014-08-17, 07:51 PM
I don't believe it.

I finally, FINALLY, eliminate the info about the Sneaky Gate from the OP, and guess what happens. :smallannoyed:

Anyway......

Sneaky Gate:

TENURE! :smallcool:

Ah, this is fun, indeed.


==============


While Wooster does say it was the son, the second linked strip seems to attribute both the drinking and building the first castle to the first Heterodyne who came to the area (which would be the Ht'Rok'Din).

It might be simply be down to being a different artist drawing him, but this guy (http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20140815) doesn't look a lot like this guy (http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20091102).

Enough resemblance to pass as father/son? Sure. Same guy? Maybe, maybe not.

Ellen
2014-08-17, 10:48 PM
Well, that makes sense. I'd totally do the same thing if I were a visual learner.

Ailurus
2014-08-17, 11:43 PM
So, we've slipped into a sort of girl genius / bill and ted crossover I take it? Works for me. Though, now I want to see the Ht'Rok'Din visiting the Sparky equivalent of a mall.

With a box
2014-08-18, 12:16 AM
When we will saw ending of GG? Can we see it before 22th century?

Porthos
2014-08-18, 01:09 AM
When we will saw ending of GG? Can we see it before 22th century?

It, allgedly, passed the half-way point with the start of Act 2. So.... ten to twelve more years? Maybe a bit more? Not any time soon, at any rate. :smallwink:

factotum
2014-08-18, 02:24 AM
Perhaps the Ht'Rok'Din began the castle, but died before it was completed, which it then was by Knife?

That would still mean it was the Ht'Rok'Din himself who drank the waters of the Dyne, because the second strip clearly states it was the Heterodyne who drank those who chose to build his fortress there.

Porthos
2014-08-18, 02:37 AM
That would still mean it was the Ht'Rok'Din himself who drank the waters of the Dyne, because the second strip clearly states it was the Heterodyne who drank those who chose to build his fortress there.

Still not really seeing the problem here. Ht'rok-din conquered the area and his son (who may or may not have changed his name to more suit the local dialect) drank the water and built the first castle.

It ain't perfect, but it still fits more or less, IMO. If his son was already riding with his father, helping conquer the area, it fits even better.

Kislath
2014-08-18, 03:50 AM
HAHAHA! Instead of "What foul magic is this?" he asked "what sufficiently advanced technology is this?"
Get it? Of course you do.
( "... any sufficiently advanced technology would be indistinguishable from magic.." )-- famous saying

Divayth Fyr
2014-08-18, 04:26 AM
It might be simply be down to being a different artist drawing him, but this guy (http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20140815) doesn't look a lot like this guy (http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20091102).

And neither looks like Ghengis (http://girlgenius.wikia.com/wiki/Ht%27rok-din).

eee
2014-08-18, 07:32 AM
HAHAHA! Instead of "What foul magic is this?" he asked "what sufficiently advanced technology is this?"
Get it? Of course you do.
( "... any sufficiently advanced technology would be indistinguishable from magic.." )-- famous saying

Yep. By golly, De might be a bloody handed, primitive barbarian Spark, but he knows his tropes!

I wonder where the Professor and De are headed? And why Bosewichte would reveal his treachery at this time.

Mando Knight
2014-08-18, 09:49 AM
Yep. By golly, De might be a bloody handed, primitive barbarian Spark, but he knows his tropes!

I wonder where the Professor and De are headed? And why Bosewichte would reveal his treachery at this time.

De isn't his first name. It's how he says "The" with his accent.

Knight13
2014-08-18, 10:51 AM
Darn tenured professors, they can get away with anything.

eee
2014-08-18, 12:58 PM
De isn't his first name. It's how he says "The" with his accent.

Are you sure? I know he was usually called Genghis Ht'Rok'Din, but that might be his title. Consider how amusing it would be if his first name IS De, and for centuries people have been assuming he was an egocentric when actually he just had parents who like short names. :smallbiggrin:

Calemyr
2014-08-18, 01:32 PM
Are you sure? I know he was usually called Genghis Ht'Rok'Din, but that might be his title. Consider how amusing it would be if his first name IS De, and for centuries people have been assuming he was an egocentric when actually he just had parents who like short names. :smallbiggrin:

He's basically talking like a Jaeger right here. Read it like a Jaeger, and you get "the". Amusing as it may be, I don't think it's his name.

On the other hand, it's a good indication that a lot of the Jaeger speech patterns are cultural rather than physical.

BRC
2014-08-18, 02:38 PM
I don't believe it.

I finally, FINALLY, eliminate the info about the Sneaky Gate from the OP, and guess what happens. :smallannoyed:

Anyway......

Sneaky Gate:

TENURE! :smallcool:

Ah, this is fun, indeed.


==============



It might be simply be down to being a different artist drawing him, but this guy (http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20140815) doesn't look a lot like this guy (http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20091102).

Enough resemblance to pass as father/son? Sure. Same guy? Maybe, maybe not.

I don't think the guy in the flashback is Ht'Rok'Din, I think that's his son Knife.
After all, in the flashback the ancestor who drank from the well built the fortress, and (I'm too lazy to find the link) Wooster says that Ht'Rok'Din's son Knife built the first Castle.

Also, considering Ms DuMedd says "The Ht'Rok'Din", I'm reasonably sure it's a title, and he's been saying "The" in Jaegerspeak.

Mando Knight
2014-08-18, 03:29 PM
He also uses "de" instead of "the" two more times in the same panel, and again in the next. That's a pretty good indicator that unless his first name is "The" he's using it as a definite article.

Grey_Wolf_c
2014-08-18, 07:07 PM
I don't think the guy in the flashback is Ht'Rok'Din, I think that's his son Knife.
After all, in the flashback the ancestor who drank from the well built the fortress, and (I'm too lazy to find the link) Wooster says that Ht'Rok'Din's son Knife built the first Castle.

But the Castle himself says that the first castle was built by the first Heterodyne, who was also the one who drank, and Wooster clearly specifies the castle was built by the first Heterodyne's son: a contradiction. In this case, I trust the Castle's knowledge of Heterodyne history (even if it precedes him) than I trust Wooster's knowledge of the same, but other can disagree - it is the kind of thing that would be difficult to ascertain after so much time. I like the idea that the first Heterodyne started the castle and his son knife finished it as a why to reconcile both set of statements, but it is a dodge, nothing more.

Yours,

Grey Wolf

ChowGuy
2014-08-19, 12:06 AM
HAHAHA! Instead of "What foul magic is this?" he asked "what sufficiently advanced technology is this?"
Get it? Of course you do.
( "... would be indistinguishable from magic.." )-- famous saying

You mean "Any sufficiently analyzed magic is indistinguishable form science! (http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20081205#.U_LaUIlBnr8)"



And it's Arthur C. Clarke's Third Law (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clarke%27s_three_laws) you're [mis]quoting.

Mando Knight
2014-08-19, 12:33 AM
But the Castle himself says that the first castle was built by the first Heterodyne, who was also the one who drank, and Wooster clearly specifies the castle was built by the first Heterodyne's son: a contradiction. In this case, I trust the Castle's knowledge of Heterodyne history (even if it precedes him) than I trust Wooster's knowledge of the same, but other can disagree - it is the kind of thing that would be difficult to ascertain after so much time. I like the idea that the first Heterodyne started the castle and his son knife finished it as a why to reconcile both set of statements, but it is a dodge, nothing more.

Yours,

Grey Wolf

Or, The Ht'Rok'Din built a fortress (as Der Kestle said) but his son turned it into a castle.

The difference is slim ("castles" are more often permanent residences than "fortresses" are, AFAIK), but it would make both characters technically correct.

Radar
2014-08-19, 05:34 AM
With all the talk about the first Heterodyne and the similarities with mongolian conquests of Europe I remembered one interesting thing about this region of Asia: overtone singing (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VKqP2skE6-Y). Could this be the trademark Heterodyne style of singing (or humming (http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20021216#.U_Mnx1ex5z4))?

Calemyr
2014-08-19, 09:50 AM
With all the talk about the first Heterodyne and the similarities with mongolian conquests of Europe I remembered one interesting thing about this region of Asia: overtone singing (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VKqP2skE6-Y). Could this be the trademark Heterodyne style of singing (or humming (http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20021216#.U_Mnx1ex5z4))?

Well, Heterodyne refers to dual frequencies and Overtone singing is singing in dual tones. Overtone singing (according to Wikipedia) originates in Mongolia and so did the first Heterodyne. It does seem to fit together nicely, too nicely to be readily dismissed as coincidence.

We know that one of the (many) things that make Heterodynes so powerful is their dual-tone technique (Agatha's humming, for instance), which I suppose focuses the Mad Place in a way most sparks can't manage (little Agatha claims it helps her to think). A cross between meditation and the effect of music on the mind.

Porthos
2014-08-19, 07:05 PM
Sneaky Gate:

Nice to see a person who has the correct priorities in life. :smallcool:

Also, love the Bayeux tapestry reference. :smallcool:

ChowGuy
2014-08-19, 07:50 PM
Well, Heterodyne refers to dual frequencies

As used in early radio (later replaced by the Superheterodyne). You know the "spark gap" days?

With a box
2014-08-19, 08:34 PM
Wait, if term heterodyne and spark (gap) both came from radio tech term (witch lacked in GG world) can be other terms came from there, too?

ChowGuy
2014-08-19, 11:54 PM
Wait, if term heterodyne and spark (gap) both came from radio tech term (witch lacked in GG world) can be other terms came from there, too?
You mean like the "Girl Genius Radio Theater (http://girlgenius.wikia.com/wiki/Girl_Genius_Radio_Theatre)" (Upon the Aether!)? I Dunno. Ask the professors.

But the Empire has some way (http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20111111#.U_QoN4lBnr8) of staying in touch with it's airships, and I don't think it was just the the heliotropes they use for "melting pipple down below into leeddle puddles (http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20111114#.U_Qn_olBnr8)."

With a box
2014-08-20, 12:30 AM
No I means that long range wireless radio tech dosen't exsist. If there is, there is no reason king have to be in battle (he could order army in his hospitol be)

ChowGuy
2014-08-20, 02:08 AM
No I means that long range wireless radio tech dosen't exsist. If there is, there is no reason king have to be in battle (he could order army in his hospitol be)
Or in his War Room (http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20110520#.U_REcYlBnr9) at/on his Castle? But if you're reffering to the Baron, he likes to see the field (http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20071114#.U_RFh4lBnr8), even though he can run things just fine (http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20080602#.U_RIF4lBnr8) from his hospital bed.

But what does where The Professors (Phil and Kaja) borrow terms from, have to do with what devices they put into their world?

Corneel
2014-08-20, 02:51 AM
For those who might have missed the Bilingual Bonus (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/BilingualBonus) in this little story. "Booswicht" is a word for villain in Dutch...

wingnutx
2014-08-20, 03:21 AM
I'm not a big fan of this, but he certainly does post promptly.

stsasser
2014-08-20, 06:21 AM
I'm not a big fan of this, but he certainly does post promptly.

The tech linking the cathedral and Martellus' fortress..and Zeetha's Queen Luheia's Mirror... is outlined.

Is De Ht'Rok'Din Early Skifanderian? Too many mysteries solved?

eee
2014-08-20, 07:42 AM
I wonder what the Ht'Rok'Din's motivation is in this? What seemed to rouse him to action was the Student's comment about Agatha, and the realization that he had descendants...

With a box
2014-08-22, 01:00 AM
I can't image what will happen in next page at all. maybe there will be part two of it? of it will be solved in main comic?
and there is an faster rss feed for is? mine looks slow(almost 4 hour...) updated

gooddragon1
2014-08-22, 06:12 AM
What is the emperor of mankind (http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Emperor#.UlKAxlMQNJg) doing without his power armor? And did he dye his hair?

eee
2014-08-22, 07:06 AM
You'd think a guy with the villainous chops of the Professor would know his tropes better. Like "Don't disparage heroism and threaten the lead character while not watching your back".

This somewhat explains the Ht'Rok'Din's motivation. He wants to be Kang the Conquerer. :)

Radar
2014-08-22, 07:21 AM
Small detail: each page of the filler has a different adjective describing Cheyenne Wright. :smallsmile:
Also, we have only one page left to conclude the story.

Porthos
2014-08-24, 09:55 PM
Sneaky Gate is up

Huh. Travelling forward in time gave the Ht'Rok'Din the ambition to sire/start a dynasty. Well, not quite what I was expecting, but it works well enough for the genre of College Students Meddling In Forces They Don't Understand.

At least we get confirmation which one this is. And it ain't Knife. :smallwink:

[Edited in: Though, I suppose, it could have been Knife. If he was the one who then decided to drink from the dyne after this expereince. But still seems to me that it better fits this being the first Ht'Rok'Din, sketch from the Secret Blueprints be damned.]

All in all a fun little diversion, even if the ending was a tad weak. The professor saying "Of course, I'm out to enslave the world [just not today]" did help though. :smallsmile:

scienceguy8
2014-08-24, 10:03 PM
Sneaky Gate is up

Huh. Travelling forward in time gave the Ht'rok-din the ambition to sire/start a dynasty. Well, not quite what I was expecting, but it works well enough for the genre of College Students Meddling In Forces They Don't Understand.

At least we get confirmation which one this is. And it ain't Knife. :smallwink:

All in all a fun little diversion, even if the ending was a tad weak. The professor saying "Of course, I'm out to enslave the world [just not today]" did help though. :smallsmile:

I knew I should have posted my speculation last week! This is almost what I had in mind. Although, I pegged the professor as being sincere and the Ht'Rok'Din as being smart enough to send himself back, drink heavily, and forget any of this happened in order to preserve the flow of time.

Veridis Quo
2014-08-25, 01:03 AM
Sneaky Gate is up

Huh. Travelling forward in time gave the Ht'Rok'Din the ambition to sire/start a dynasty. Well, not quite what I was expecting, but it works well enough for the genre of College Students Meddling In Forces They Don't Understand.

At least we get confirmation which one this is. And it ain't Knife. :smallwink:

[Edited in: Though, I suppose, it could have been Knife. If he was the one who then decided to drink from the dyne after this expereince. But still seems to me that it better fits this being the first Ht'Rok'Din, sketch from the Secret Blueprints be damned.]

All in all a fun little diversion, even if the ending was a tad weak. The professor saying "Of course, I'm out to enslave the world [just not today]" did help though. :smallsmile:
Stable time loop achieved. The Ht'Rok'Din realizes that he establishes a gigantic empire after seeing historical records from the future and immediately sends himself back to make sure that it happens. I was on the fence with this filler for a page or two but it turned out much better than I anticipated.

eee
2014-08-25, 09:39 AM
I'm rather pleased with how this turned out. The Professor is shown to be evil but still a pretty rational guy, the Ht'Rok'Din turns out to be intelligent (THAT explains why he reacted to the news he had descendants), his coming WAS foretold, and all's well. Except I don't quite see why DuMedd and Frey have to help Winters repair the wall she blew out; but it is funny.

An excellent intermission.

I wonder what sort of disaster we're going to come back to...

Hurkyl
2014-08-25, 03:32 PM
I agree; I thought this was an excellent ending.


Except I don't quite see why DuMedd and Frey have to help Winters repair the wall she blew out; but it is funny.
That one's easy: he's making them rue the day they chose to defy him. :smallsmile:

Porthos
2014-08-25, 03:48 PM
That one's easy: he's making them rue the day they chose to defy him. :smallsmile:

That, and it looks like they are fixing the brickwork they blew up in the first page (http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20140813). :smallwink:

memnarch
2014-08-25, 08:17 PM
I really liked this intermission. An excellent short story.

The Glyphstone
2014-08-27, 04:01 PM
I think this is the first intermission I've really enjoyed.

eee
2014-08-27, 08:46 PM
Gadzooks, the page started loading slowly on my computer, I read the top of the first speech balloon... and had absolutely no idea what was going on. :smalleek:

There IS a giant wagon like that in Spokane, in Riverfront Park.

Grif
2014-08-28, 12:15 AM
This page is very fonny.

Kislath
2014-08-28, 01:21 AM
I thought that they took themselves out of the running for the Hugo Awards??

With a box
2014-08-28, 01:41 AM
I thought that they took themselves out of the running for the Hugo Awards??

It looks like they entryed with volume 13 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hugo_Award_for_Best_Graphic_Story)
and I think they get 3td (if they listed on count)

P.S Doctor who takes 2,4,5,6th in (Best Dramatic Presentation, Short Form) but first prize is game of throne...

The Glyphstone
2014-08-28, 02:14 AM
I thought that they took themselves out of the running for the Hugo Awards??

They won in 2009, 2010, and 2011, the first three years Best Graphic Story was a voteable category. After that, they stopped entering because they felt the category needed to be proven to have legitimacy and secure its permanent status, rather than a Girl Genius promotion vehicle. It became permanent in 2012, so I guess a two-year lull was enough in their eyes.

Persephone_Kore
2014-08-28, 02:14 AM
To the best of my understanding: They won the award the first three years running, sat out deliberately the year after that, then somehow didn't end up on the ballot even though they hadn't meant to sit out again. This year they were in the running again but lost.

factotum
2014-08-28, 02:19 AM
I LOLed at the final panel, particularly when it said that was an actual quote from his son...

Radar
2014-08-28, 02:48 AM
I LOLed at the final panel, particularly when it said that was an actual quote from his son...
Well... he is right: if they lost to someone worse then them, it would be unfair. :smalltongue:

petersohn
2014-08-28, 05:18 AM
So they have a son who looks exactly like Phil.

Anyways, did you notice the similarity between Cheyenne and Bosewitche?

stsasser
2014-08-28, 07:10 AM
Well... he is right: if they lost to someone worse then them, it would be unfair. :smalltongue:

It seems wrong that two of the best webcomics are stick-figures, but there it is...

HandofShadows
2014-08-28, 09:22 AM
It seems wrong that two of the best webcomics are stick-figures, but there it is...

Did you actually read Time? There is a LOT more to it than "Stick Figures".

Southern Cross
2014-08-28, 06:22 PM
I haven't read "Time" either.

The Glyphstone
2014-08-28, 06:36 PM
You don't read 'Time' so much as watch it, really. But it's a great story anyways.

factotum
2014-08-29, 02:22 AM
You don't read 'Time' so much as watch it, really. But it's a great story anyways.

There's a website which collates all the images so you can read through the story in the normal way--I guess that does take away some of the uniqueness of the way it was presented in the first place, but at least you get to read the storyline.

And I just noticed that Phil drew the Union Flag wrong in the background of the first three panels...tch, tch! :smallwink:

Rockphed
2014-08-29, 05:03 AM
There's a website which collates all the images so you can read through the story in the normal way--I guess that does take away some of the uniqueness of the way it was presented in the first place, but at least you get to read the storyline.

And I just noticed that Phil drew the Union Flag wrong in the background of the first three panels...tch, tch! :smallwink:

He's from the United States, which has a history of ignoring british politics when it suits them. Also, there is no communication between the old and new worlds in Girl Genius, so how would he know what a Union Jack looks like?

Traab
2014-08-29, 06:10 PM
Fridays comic is up and hoo boy do things look interesting! The brothers are gearing up to go to war. Its a fight for survival, a fight for their reputation, a fight that will be remembered for years to come. One way, or another.

wingnutx
2014-08-29, 08:07 PM
Interesting indeed. I very much approve of this new development.

The Glyphstone
2014-08-29, 08:28 PM
Sweet power armor, there.

Emperordaniel
2014-08-30, 12:59 AM
That's a pretty sweet death ray he's holding, too.

factotum
2014-08-30, 02:19 AM
That's also the most creative ice bucket challenge video I've seen... :smallsmile:

Rodin
2014-08-30, 02:54 AM
Did...did the engineer just suggest rolling coal?

Grif
2014-08-30, 03:20 AM
I'm actually excited to see the brothers in action.

Rockphed
2014-08-30, 07:13 AM
Did...did the engineer just suggest rolling coal?

No, he is going to light the coal on fire and throw it at their enemies.

BRC
2014-09-01, 04:23 PM
I was hoping we'd get to see the Ulstermen in action before the Bears got the upper hand.

Do you think the Brother is being serious? Why is he so determined to not let Agatha into the Fortress.

I wonder, are all the Monks Irish, or is it just the Crew of the Wyrm of Limmerick?

Kislath
2014-09-01, 08:27 PM
My guess is that the Fortress is so full of really neat stuff that he's afraid he'll never be able to get RID of her again.

ChowGuy
2014-09-01, 09:02 PM
My guess is that the Fortress is so full of really neat stuff that he's afraid he'll never be able to get RID of her again.
My guess is that "The Fortress" is so dangerously paranoid, it makes Der Kestle look sane, and that's why the Brothers won't take passangers there. No passenger goes there (http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20140702#.VAUlc4lBnr8).

eee
2014-09-01, 09:11 PM
I wonder where Krosp is? He's not riding on Agatha, as I would have expected. And he didn't go flying with Dimo.


I was hoping we'd get to see the Ulstermen in action before the Bears got the upper hand.

It will probably take a while to activate the Sanctuary Cars, whatever those do. We may get to see a Last Stand with the Ulstermen and the brother with the goggles and the death ray fighting to hold them back so the cars can move.


Do you think the Brother is being serious? Why is he so determined to not let Agatha into the Fortress.

I can't see Brother Ulm joking about something like that. Therefore, yes, he intends to kill Agatha; or at least some passenger on the train, and most probably Agatha. However, he may not be aware of just how much protection Agatha has...

As to why, it's just speculation, but Ulm seems focused on his passengers, train, and order. Therefore, there's something at the fortress that imperils one or all of those and perhaps the world besides, to the point he feels killing Agatha is the best and perhaps only solution. Ulm doesn't know Agatha well (although it should be pointed out, he's the only one who DOES know she's the Heterodyne, and the Seal of the Confessional keeps him from telling anyone else). So hopefully he's wrong about this...


I wonder, are all the Monks Irish, or is it just the Crew of the Wyrm of Limmerick?

Limerick IS an Irish town...

Tectonic Robot
2014-09-02, 10:13 AM
I just marathoned all of Girl Genius over three days! Whoooooooooo.

Persephone_Kore
2014-09-02, 10:47 AM
I just marathoned all of Girl Genius over three days! Whoooooooooo.

Yay!


As to why, it's just speculation, but Ulm seems focused on his passengers, train, and order. Therefore, there's something at the fortress that imperils one or all of those and perhaps the world besides, to the point he feels killing Agatha is the best and perhaps only solution. Ulm doesn't know Agatha well (although it should be pointed out, he's the only one who DOES know she's the Heterodyne, and the Seal of the Confessional keeps him from telling anyone else). So hopefully he's wrong about this...

I'm hoping he's wrong or this doesn't mean precisely what it looks like at first -- I like Ulm. He's certainly serious about the situation without wanting to have to kill Agatha: his first suggestion is to stand and fight, putting himself and every passenger on the train at additional risk, as a preferable alternative to either taking Agatha to the fortress or abandoning a passenger.

(I am wondering if he fibbed to Krosp and Dimo about "no passenger" going to the fortress. Piling all the passengers into the sanctuary cars, here, tells him immediately that they're meant to go to the fortress, which is clearly an emergency measure though I think it could go either way whether it's a standard or unprecedented one, but he only objects to Agatha.)

Math_Mage
2014-09-02, 11:58 AM
I can't see Brother Ulm joking about something like that. Therefore, yes, he intends to kill Agatha; or at least some passenger on the train, and most probably Agatha. However, he may not be aware of just how much protection Agatha has...
I can't see the writers using Ulm's statement in the last panel if they mean for him to actually intend harm at this point. I think it's more likely that he's expressing slightly hyperbolic dread towards the thought of Agatha in the Fortress. That may or may not develop into actually intending harm, depending on what happens at the Fortress.

BRC
2014-09-02, 12:50 PM
I can't see the writers using Ulm's statement in the last panel if they mean for him to actually intend harm at this point. I think it's more likely that he's expressing slightly hyperbolic dread towards the thought of Agatha in the Fortress. That may or may not develop into actually intending harm, depending on what happens at the Fortress.

Yeah, I don't see Ulm as literally deciding to Kill Agatha.

If Agatha can't enter the fortress for some reason, he can just keep her out of the Fortress. He's sworn to protect his passengers, but surely "Leave the highly capable spark and her very dangerous bodyguards to fend for themselves" is less of a violation than "Try to kill the highly capable spark with a very dangerous bodyguards"

It's more likely that he believes that when Agatha enters the fortress, something will happen which will endanger the order/the passengers enough to force his hand and make him kill her. But it's not guaranteed (hence he can't just lock her outside).

There's something about Ulm's body language and word choices that make me think this set up is comedic, rather than Dramatic. Something about words like "The Mind Boggles" and "Ugh" make me think that Ulm fears a massive headache more than any real danger. Especially because the other, Younger Monks don't seem to be bothered by the thought. Only Ulm (with his considerable experience, and knowledge that Agatha is not just a Spark but a Heterodyne) is objecting.
Perhaps the Depot contains broken trains, condemned for being Late in clear defiance of the Schedule, and upon seeing them Agatha would feel compelled to try to fix and/or improve them.

Kislath
2014-09-02, 02:09 PM
I just marathoned all of Girl Genius over three days! Whoooooooooo.

Acheivement unlocked!

I also think it's supposed to be more funny than foreboding.

NEO|Phyte
2014-09-02, 07:24 PM
Assuming he isn't for some unfathomable reason only joking about killing Agatha, the only things I can think of that would warrant his reaction is figuring letting a Heterodyne into the sanctuary would be a very bad idea in general (which is sensible, considering the older Heterodynes), or they've got something there that a Heterodyne (or possibly just Agatha specifically) would take severe offense to. Difficult to speculate on what that something might be. Secretly being pawns of the Other seems rather unlikely, as Agatha's weasel hasn't been screeching at anyone.

scienceguy8
2014-09-02, 09:17 PM
My guess is the monks and their railroad operate primarily in neutrality, and only survive because they are neutral. Nobody actively destroys their railroad in times of war because the railroad serves all regardless of alliances. Taking Agatha into one of their strongholds could be seen, from the outside, as a sign of loyalty or alliance to House Heterodyne, which would result in an open season on all railway activities and interests by the enemies of House Heterodyne (of which there are a few), or anyone cheesed off to have not become an ally of the railway first (of which there are many more).

stsasser
2014-09-02, 10:32 PM
I'm curious about the sanctuary cars. Are they merely heavily armored with perhaps alternate motive power? Or are they ridiculously heavily armored with powerful active defense systems to protect the passengers? Could Brother Ulm attempt to expel or kill Agatha, only to be stopped by his own train?

factotum
2014-09-03, 02:32 AM
Taking Agatha into one of their strongholds could be seen, from the outside, as a sign of loyalty or alliance to House Heterodyne, which would result in an open season on all railway activities and interests by the enemies of House Heterodyne (of which there are a few), or anyone cheesed off to have not become an ally of the railway first (of which there are many more).

Except that seems to have already happened--as the engineer guy said last strip, there's trouble all up and down the line. Whatever immunity from attack the railway monks had is now gone regardless.

With a box
2014-09-03, 04:59 AM
Except that seems to have already happened--as the engineer guy said last strip, there's trouble all up and down the line. Whatever immunity from attack the railway monks had is now gone regardless.

maybe he thinks that if He induce Agatha to death secretly and confirm her death to them, then they will not interfere with others

halfeye
2014-09-03, 08:59 AM
My guess is that the Fortress is so full of really neat stuff that he's afraid he'll never be able to get RID of her again.
My guess is that the fortress owes allegiance to the Heterodynes, and only operates for the railroad because all the Heterodynes were gone. In the same way the Jagers worked for Wulfenbach, conditionally.

Traab
2014-09-03, 09:22 AM
My guess is there is something inside the fortress that will specifically drive a heterodyne into madness and force him to try to kill her. Could be shocking information about her family, could be defenses that were setup specifically to stop heterodynes from assailing the outpost. That last one may be more likely, after all, heterodynes were not always good, and they may have been crazy enough to violate the sanctity of the railroads. Special defenses could be put in place that will specifically target agatha and dimo.

factotum
2014-09-03, 10:37 AM
I prefer the simpler theory that the fortress just contains secrets the monks don't want any outsider, particularly not a Heterodyne, to get hold of--thus, Ulm is saying something akin to the old "I'd tell you, but I'd have to kill you" joke.

BRC
2014-09-03, 10:55 AM
I prefer the simpler theory that the fortress just contains secrets the monks don't want any outsider, particularly not a Heterodyne, to get hold of--thus, Ulm is saying something akin to the old "I'd tell you, but I'd have to kill you" joke.

Except that the OTHER monks are trying to get the passengers into the fortress. Only Ulm seems to be objecting.

It's possible he just values the secrets there more.

Traab
2014-09-03, 12:19 PM
Except that the OTHER monks are trying to get the passengers into the fortress. Only Ulm seems to be objecting.

It's possible he just values the secrets there more.

The other monks dont know she is a heterodyne.

Calemyr
2014-09-03, 12:22 PM
Except that the OTHER monks are trying to get the passengers into the fortress. Only Ulm seems to be objecting.

It's possible he just values the secrets there more.

I see it like this:

1) Letting outsiders into the fortress is a no-no.
2) Letting your passengers die is a bigger no-no.
1+2 = It is better (marginally) to let passengers into the fortress than to leave them to die.

3) Agatha is a Heterodyne.
4) Agatha is suspected (fairly) to be the Other, quite possibly the most destructive Spark in history.
5) Agatha is also wanted by at least two major organizations (Wulfenbach and Tweedle). Probable many more, all told.
6) Agatha is the Heterodyne - she can make a death ray out of two tweezers, some dental floss, and a deer antler.
1+2+3+4+5+6 = Screw point 2. There is no way in hell we're letting Agatha Heterodyne into the fortress. Ask for forgiveness (and a parade) later.

Ulm is the only one who knows 3-6. So while everyone else is calling for putting passengers before security, Ulm doesn't agree.

Zazu Yen
2014-09-03, 03:47 PM
Well, that seemed unnecessary. If she's planning to go to the last three cars anyway killing a conductor just to bring your bags along before he earnestly tried to stop you seems rather nasty. Unless that's not where she's headed with these bags. If she is a Martellus plant she'll probably try to sabotage the sanctuary cars before they get to the sanctuary and leave Agatha easier to catch. That'd be a shame though, I like her hat. Maybe if Violetta takes her down she'll keep it Jager style.

otakuryoga
2014-09-03, 04:25 PM
dun dun dunh!

Aquillion
2014-09-03, 04:59 PM
God damn it, Agatha, how many times are we going to have to have the "don't trust the Sturmvoraus family" discussion?

Adaon Nightwind
2014-09-03, 05:24 PM
I do not think that i was ever switched from "regard with neutral feelings" to "regard with hatred and revulsion" in a comic faster than this. From "Tried to like the Character" to "hatred and revulsion", maybe, but from neutrality?

Poor nameless monk, we never knew ye :(

stsasser
2014-09-03, 06:04 PM
Well, that seemed unnecessary. If she's planning to go to the last three cars anyway killing a conductor just to bring your bags along before he earnestly tried to stop you seems rather risky. Unless that's not where she's headed with these bags. If she is a Martellus plant she'll probably try to sabotage the sanctuary cars before they get to the sanctuary and leave Agatha easier to catch. That'd be a shame though, I like her hat. Maybe if Violetta takes her down she'll keep it Jager style.

Nope. Remember, she has the book and the key (http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20140711#.VAedkWNnCTU).
That's what is in that bag.

Zazu Yen
2014-09-03, 07:32 PM
Nope. Remember, she has the book and the key (http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20140711#.VAedkWNnCTU).
That's what is in that bag.

Oooh right, I'd forgotten that bit of dialog. I guess she really didn't want anything about her luggage to be messed with. A key that is a nauralistic singularity sounds pretty powerful, that combined with a Heterodyne and whatever the monk wants to keep her away from and it looks like we're reaching a convergence of some kind.

eee
2014-09-03, 07:45 PM
Yeah, I didn't think she was a nice person.

That WAS pretty stupid, though. Margolotta could have said she had a medical condition and if she didn't take her medicine with her she'd be dead really quick. I doubt the monk would have objected to that. So she's not only murderous, she's dumb.

I wouldn't bet against Violetta having seen that.

multilis
2014-09-03, 08:05 PM
Yeah, I didn't think she was a nice person.

That WAS pretty stupid, though. Margolotta could have said she had a medical condition and if she didn't take her medicine with her she'd be dead really quick. I doubt the monk would have objected to that. So she's not only murderous, she's dumb.

I wouldn't bet against Violetta having seen that.
He might insist on someone else fetching it, not believe her, etc... and later may want to see the medicine... not a nice action, but potentially not dumb for an evil person to do, whatever she has motivates others to go to extremes to get it back... for example risk monks will turn her over with it to her enemies to gain peace... she may not even be legit passenger and the monks are fighting for lives of everyone.

ChowGuy
2014-09-03, 09:34 PM
Nope. Remember, she has the book and the key (http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20140711#.VAedkWNnCTU).
That's what is in that bag.And given that that's why Count Adolkopf and his Care Bears are for there in the first place, and she probably knows it, she'd be profoundly unsmart to leave it behind to be captured, or even trust it to the monks to take care of.

Plus you know, there's a long family tradition of solving inconveniences that way.

eee
2014-09-03, 10:04 PM
He might insist on someone else fetching it, not believe her, etc... and later may want to see the medicine... not a nice action, but potentially not dumb for an evil person to do, whatever she has motivates others to go to extremes to get it back... for example risk monks will turn her over with it to her enemies to gain peace... she may not even be legit passenger and the monks are fighting for lives of everyone.

No time. They're abandoning the train, rushing everyone into the sanctuary cars. There'll be no someone else fetching things unless and until they come back to the train. Margolotta knew where the bag was; it would have been much faster for her to grab it than describe to the monk where to find it. Yes, the monk might have insisted on looking in the bag; but giving the rush they were in, probably not until later, by which time she could have moved the book inside her clothes. You compare that with the risk someone might have seen or heard her shooting him, and it's clear she did it because she wanted to, not because she had to.

She's a member of Vi's family, after all.

busterswd
2014-09-03, 11:52 PM
Hm. The "leave everything behind, there's no time" could actually be very intentional safety protocol in a world full of dangerous objects, macguffins, and the men/women who love them. As in if your fugitive passenger is being chased because of something in their luggage, herding them to the back without allowing them to get it would mean the pursuers interested in said object may give up the chase once they find it.

factotum
2014-09-04, 02:36 AM
I agree that killing the monk was utterly pointless, since Margoletta had pretty much already got to the bag--she found it almost immediately after shooting him, so she could have just grabbed it and then gone with him. That's assuming she *is* heading for the sanctuary cars, of course.

It's not actually such a dangerous thing to have done, though; the train is under attack, and if the body is found, Margoletta can blame it on the attackers and say she barely escaped with her life.

With a box
2014-09-04, 03:48 AM
I agree that killing the monk was utterly pointless, since Margoletta had pretty much already got to the bag--she found it almost immediately after shooting him, so she could have just grabbed it and then gone with him. That's assuming she *is* heading for the sanctuary cars, of course.

It's not actually such a dangerous thing to have done, though; the train is under attack, and if the body is found, Margoletta can blame it on the attackers and say she barely escaped with her life.

But the bears don't have guns, just big axes

factotum
2014-09-04, 06:18 AM
But the bears don't have guns, just big axes

They're not the only attackers, as the giant clank earlier proved.

Tectonic Robot
2014-09-04, 11:33 AM
I agree that killing the monk was utterly pointless, since Margoletta had pretty much already got to the bag--she found it almost immediately after shooting him, so she could have just grabbed it and then gone with him. That's assuming she *is* heading for the sanctuary cars, of course.

It's not actually such a dangerous thing to have done, though; the train is under attack, and if the body is found, Margoletta can blame it on the attackers and say she barely escaped with her life.

He said they didn't have 'room', either...

eee
2014-09-05, 07:37 PM
New page.

Yep, that's about right. Even normal bears are pretty tough; with THESE bears, I think hitting them with BURNING coal is their only hope at this point.

I like the laid back country boy. Hopefully he can survive. :smallbiggrin:

Aquillion
2014-09-06, 06:21 AM
He said they didn't have 'room', either...And she might have suspected that part of the reason for the ban on taking stuff was that they didn't want people to bring anything dangerous; if they knew she'd insisted on grabbing her bag, it would attract attention to it and they'd want to search it.

(At which point they'd discover that, yes, it is dangerous, because it's the entire reason the train is getting attacked.)

slayerx
2014-09-06, 09:14 AM
I agree that killing the monk was utterly pointless, since Margoletta had pretty much already got to the bag--she found it almost immediately after shooting him, so she could have just grabbed it and then gone with him. That's assuming she *is* heading for the sanctuary cars, of course.


Well one assumption you're making is that he would LET her take the bag. He insisted that there was no extra room for baggage and he's not above stunning her and dragging her with him if she doesn't cooperate. However, i doubt she was using that logic when she shot him... she just used the simplest and quickest method to get rid of an obstruction. So ya, even if he wouldn't let her take the bag, and thus there might be need to use more forceful methods, she doesn't get a free pass

HandofShadows
2014-09-08, 07:21 AM
I wonder if there is the concept of "I'm a spark. If you see me running, try to keep up." In the GG world? :smallconfused:

eee
2014-09-08, 07:44 AM
I don't think I'm going to like what happens next. But maybe Brother Goggles will pelt the Count with coal first.

I'm glad Violetta says everyone's there, but where's Krosp? Way WAY WAY more importantly, where's Agatha's weasel? It doesn't seem to be on her, and if it's not in the Sanctuary Cars, Agatha's not going to last long...

I'm sure Margolotta is there. And that she's got her bag. Which means the Count and his bears are going to be following them.

Grif
2014-09-09, 12:42 AM
Aw, I hope these two brothers survive. I'm rooting for the monks.

eee
2014-09-10, 08:45 AM
Oh yes, don't worry about her. Shoot her, instead.

I wonder what happened to the assassins. Did they leave them behind for the bears to find? I also wonder what the big noise and shock was. If the Ulstermen were standing in front of the engine when the Count activated his magnet, and he used too much power...

Grif
2014-09-12, 07:12 AM
Uh oh. Looks like the brothers are in serious trouble.

eee
2014-09-12, 09:04 AM
BAD BEARS! No donut!!

The Count may be scatter-brained, but he's also pretty sharp. This is an effective move that takes the train out of action and may keep the Sanctuary Cars from escaping if the Brother isn't fast enough. I hope, if he does disengage the coupling, he can get back on board before the cars take off. We're losing Brothers right and left here, since I doubt the Ulstermen and Brother Goggles are still around. And of course, the Brother who tried forcing Margolotta to get to Sanctuary has gone to his reward...

Grif
2014-09-15, 08:32 AM
I like Zeetha's priorities. God knows free drink tickets are hard to get! :smallbiggrin:

eee
2014-09-15, 04:28 PM
Never send a Brother to do the job of a Lost Princess from a Lost Kingdom. :smallbiggrin:

Sandals do not strike me as appropriate footwear for the running of a train.

I'm rather impressed Zeetha's knives are as strong as her swords, and can chop through steel with such ease. I suspect Brother Dinsy is the one who was dead on the floor of Lady Margolotta's compartment, and is now dead on the wall. And that's why he didn't disconnect the coupling. (sigh) It would have been poetic justice if Margolotta had shot herself in the foot and insured her capture by shooting the Brother in the chest, but others have saved her from her own actions.

OK, so now the Sanctuary Cars are free: Any ideas on how they're going to move to the fortress?

Kislath
2014-09-15, 04:38 PM
I can only assume that the sanctuary cars can move without the need of the locomotive.

Traab
2014-09-15, 04:44 PM
Agreed, I would be greatly disappointed if there werent multiple redundant engines all over the train, but especially on the sanctuary cars.

factotum
2014-09-16, 03:08 AM
Brother Ulm's instruction a couple of strips ago to "Take us home!" would be a bit pointless if the sanctuary cars didn't have their own means of propulsion--they already knew the engine was being swarmed by the bears at that point. Plus, why have the sanctuary cars at the very *back* of the train if they needed the engine to be able to go anywhere? Would be a bit of a crippling design flaw, that!

eee
2014-09-16, 07:30 AM
RE moving the Sanctuary Cars: Yes, there may be an engine where the caboose should be. But if so, you'd think the Brothers would be talking about firing it up, and focusing their efforts there. Instead they seem to worried about just the cars and making sure everyone's on board, I suspect we're going to see an emergency means of propulsion here, odd even by Girl Genius standards.

Of course I'm almost always wrong in my predictions... :smallbiggrin:

Southern Cross
2014-09-16, 11:58 PM
I'd say you were right for once....

gooddragon1
2014-09-17, 01:17 AM
It would seem the plot has gone off the rails.

AgentPaper
2014-09-17, 01:48 AM
I can imagine the conversation:

Agatha: "Wait, if you can just fly these things around in the air, why even bother with the rails?"
Brother Ulm: "But, but then we wouldn't be a train!"
Krosp: *facepalm*

Adaon Nightwind
2014-09-17, 04:09 AM
And once again i am reminded why this comic is awesome. Everything makes sense, and still i did not see this coming. ^^

@AgentPaper:
The question might come up, but going by train has quite a lot of upsides:
- Needs way less energy then going by air (or on roads)
- Relatively weather-independent (sturdy railroads, massive engines) when compared to lighter-than-air vehicles or, again, roads
- Europe as a hot warzone for most of it's history will have rather large areas that are thinly populated, if at all. Civilized life will be found in the strongholds, the big cities. Since personal transport will be a couple of people from point A to point B, rather than individual stops and starts, a train (that you do not have to upkeep personally) will be more efficient than keeping your own method of transportation.

Sure, there's the question of weak spots like damage to the tracks, a dependency on schedule that can be used for an ambush etc., but so far it seems to have worked for the brothers. And even now, with an all-out attack on them, they are prepared.

Damn, i wish such an order would exist in our world.

eee
2014-09-17, 07:27 AM
I'd say you were right for once....

I HAVE SPOILED MY RECORD OF WRONGNESS!! The world will never be the same. :(

That said... How are they driving that thing? Zeppelins, dirigibles, they have propellers and motors. These cars would seem to have none of those. So how...?

Traab
2014-09-17, 09:45 AM
Sacks of hot air are TERRIBLE for safe transport. They are so.... puncturable. Thats why its an emergency method and not the main one.

slayerx
2014-09-17, 10:32 AM
I can imagine the conversation:

Agatha: "Wait, if you can just fly these things around in the air, why even bother with the rails?"


Brother Ulm: "HERESY! Never forsake the road of the lord!"

Ellen
2014-09-19, 12:19 AM
Is it just me, or is Zeetha beginning to look like a Jager? Look at those teeth. What did Mama have to do to patch her up?

How long after taking the draught before Jagers start to look like Jagers, anyway? We know it would have taken a long time for Vole to look like he does know without time dilation and stuff.

I kind of think Zeetha would have agreed to take the Jagerdraught, under the circumstances . . . which might answer a lot of questions about why Jagers agreed to take something with a 90% mortality rate. If you're already mortally wounded, what's the harm?*


Agatha: "Wait, if you can just fly these things around in the air, why even bother with the rails?"

Seriously, Agatha? I think these guys have gone off the rails quite far enough already.

*I know, that's up there with "I am your master! I created you! You must obey me!" for things you can say that never turn out well.

smuchmuch
2014-09-19, 01:25 AM
Sacks of hot air are TERRIBLE for safe transport. They are so.... puncturable. Thats why its an emergency method and not the main one.

Which, speaking of, aemas me wonder why ba'on von magnetic armor just doesn't grab one of his bear spears or ny shap enouh letalic object and just throw it in the airbags.


Is it just me, or is Zeetha beginning to look like a Jager? Look at those teeth. What did Mama have to do to patch her up?

Nah if you look before she almay had some teeth looking pointer in some cicumstaces. It's just part of the Folgio artstyle, I think.

HandofShadows
2014-09-19, 08:46 AM
Nah if you look before she almay had some teeth looking pointer in some cicumstaces. It's just part of the Folgio artstyle, I think.

Part of it's the art style, but Zeetha always has had some sharp pointy teeth. Gil does as well but it's not as pronounced.

Ailurus
2014-09-19, 03:20 PM
While I agree that Zeetha's teeth have always been a little pointy, they have gotten much more noticeable recently. Compare right at the end of the Battle of Mechanicsburg (http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20130318) to today's strip it does look like she's growing fangs. Guess we'll have to wait and see if it is just art evolution, or some actual plot point.

Though, given today's strip, she might want to duck or she may well lose some teeth.

I'd give it at least a 50% chance Violetta's going to snap and clock Zeetha in the face.

eee
2014-09-19, 03:38 PM
Oh dear. Vi's heart is breaking. Agatha, you may be a great Spark, but as a matchmaker / manipulator you need to be less clueless.

Is something going on in the background, or are these just random people reacting to the train going airborne?

stsasser
2014-09-19, 05:35 PM
Oh dear. Vi's heart is breaking. Agatha, you may be a great Spark, but as a matchmaker / manipulator you need to be less clueless.

Is something going on in the background, or are these just random people reacting to the train going airborne?

All the ladies dig him and even De Kestle likes him. Von Zinzer's got game. :smallcool:

TheStranger
2014-09-19, 07:41 PM
Wait - they serve drinks on the emergency escape cars? The ones where there's not enough room for luggage? And they still charge for them if you don't have free drink tickets? So, in all this rush to fight off the bears, herd everybody to the sanctuary cars, disconnect them, and go airborne, there was one brother who was just in charge of mixing drinks?

I like to imagine that the spark who designed this setup was at least as concerned with saving the booze as the passengers. "It's an emergency! Quick, everybody into the bar!"

Emperordaniel
2014-09-19, 11:07 PM
All the ladies dig him and even De Kestle likes him. Von Zinzer's got game. :smallcool:

Der Kestle/Von Zinzer OTP just kidding

Eric Tolle
2014-09-20, 02:57 AM
Wait - they serve drinks on the emergency escape cars? The ones where there's not enough room for luggage?

Well...yeah! f yu made room for the luggage, you wouldn't have room for the drinks! PRIORITIES man!

datalaughing
2014-09-20, 07:42 PM
How long after taking the draught before Jagers start to look like Jagers, anyway?

Judging from the look on the guy in panel 5 (http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20091102), the process probably starts almost instantly.

factotum
2014-09-21, 02:16 AM
Well...yeah! f yu made room for the luggage, you wouldn't have room for the drinks! PRIORITIES man!

Seriously, the drinks might be there because they were in the sanctuary cars to start with (they looked like normal train cars before the balloons came out), and the monks would have already taken their weight into account in their calculations. The restriction on luggage would be because they don't want everyone bringing their luggage aboard the sanctuary cars and making them too heavy to take off.

stsasser
2014-09-21, 03:14 AM
Der Kestle/Von Zinzer OTP just kidding

Should that actually be 'Die Kestle'?

Landis963
2014-09-21, 06:58 PM
Should that actually be 'Die Kestle'?

Een short, no. Een long, not vhen you're using Jager-talk, sveethot!

Hurkyl
2014-09-21, 07:21 PM
I'm rather impressed Zeetha's knives are as strong as her swords, and can chop through steel with such ease.
Well, she has the momentum from the dynamic entry to make up for the shorter lever arm.

NEO|Phyte
2014-09-21, 08:14 PM
Well, she has the momentum from the dynamic entry to make up for the shorter lever arm.

I suspect eee means more in the strong enough for the coupling mechanism to break first sense.

Porthos
2014-09-22, 12:41 AM
The plot thickens....

Aquillion
2014-09-22, 02:31 AM
So the question is, who are they smelling?

Agatha is the obvious choice, but Dimo would have known if they were supposed to be loyal to her.

Lady Margolotta is another option, of course.

Possibly Jenka, given that her bear-mount, Füst may be one of them?

eee
2014-09-22, 06:48 AM
So now we see why Jagers never want to lose their hats.

It's so that if you're laying helpless and unconscious in the snow and a pair of bears come along, they'll sniff your hat, realize you've got a connection to the one in charge, and take you to their leader instead of eating you.

Obvious, really. :smallbiggrin:

As to who the one in charge is, I suspect they're not smelling actual people but rather power relationships. Dimo's an Alpha in the pack; but there's someone superior to him that he obeys. As such, that person, whoever they are, is clearly the one the leader of the bears needs to know about, and Dimo would be their best source of information. Assuming he's willing to talk.

Traab
2014-09-22, 10:08 AM
I dont know if this has ever been pointed out, but I just wanted to leave this here. A Spark of Genius (https://www.fanfiction.net/s/6438802/1/A-Spark-of-Genius) is a fanfic story where xander from BtVS dresses up as (among other things) Xander Heterodyne. There is a big whoopsie, and he winds up in the DC universe with the Spark intact. There is a ton of callbacks to the girl genius comic, lots of sparky humor, and interesting twisting of the dc universe. There is some sexual content in it, not that much overall explicitly and its marked so you can skip it. Lots of violence, and xander uses the power of SCIENCE to make himself incredibly powerful.

memnarch
2014-09-22, 05:28 PM
I wondered when Dimo was last seen so I went and found him (http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20140723).

stsasser
2014-09-22, 06:43 PM
So the question is, who are they smelling?

Agatha is the obvious choice, but Dimo would have known if they were supposed to be loyal to her.

Lady Margolotta is another option, of course.

Possibly Jenka, given that her bear-mount, Füst may be one of them?

Now, who do we know is a könig? :smallwink:

It would be a demotion for Kaiser Krosp.

Ellen
2014-09-24, 12:11 AM
I dont know if this has ever been pointed out, but I just wanted to leave this here. A Spark of Genius (https://www.fanfiction.net/s/6438802/1/A-Spark-of-Genius) is a fanfic story where xander from BtVS dresses up as (among other things) Xander Heterodyne. There is a big whoopsie, and he winds up in the DC universe with the Spark intact. There is a ton of callbacks to the girl genius comic, lots of sparky humor, and interesting twisting of the dc universe. There is some sexual content in it, not that much overall explicitly and its marked so you can skip it. Lots of violence, and xander uses the power of SCIENCE to make himself incredibly powerful.

And he robs the Batcave!

kida
2014-09-24, 12:37 AM
New comic is up

I wonder if we'll see Higgs and Vole talk

Ellen
2014-09-24, 01:30 AM
So, does Gil know and is he just pretending not to know? Or is he accepting the (pretty logical) logic that, when it comes to Jagers, time spent fighting is just regular bonding?

smuchmuch
2014-09-24, 07:25 AM
Wasn't Bang punching Gil last time we saw them (http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20140811#.VCK3wRZpJKI) ? Whatever happened to that ?
I was under the impression she was serious about it too.

Traab
2014-09-24, 08:10 AM
And he robs the Batcave!

He also pranks the Fortress of Solitude and Krypto!!!

Radar
2014-09-24, 08:51 AM
Wasn't Bang punching Gil last time we saw them (http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comic.php?date=20140811#.VCK3wRZpJKI) ? Whatever happened to that ?
I was under the impression she was serious about it too.
She was serious about punishing Gil for his decisions and leting off some steam, but she obviously didn't want to injure him.