Best min/max class for a lvl 18 character?

[HokumGuru]

I'm starting what is essentially an epic campaign with some friends (The first thing we fight will be a Tarrasque). Our DM said that we can min/max as much as we want, in fact, he encouraged that we make our characters as powerful as possible because he wants to min/max the combats.

Any and every source is available.

We start lvl 18 with ~350k gp. What classes would you guys recommend? The only real limit is that our characters can't be decidedly 'broken' (punpun for example).

[eggynack]

Any tier one full class, meaning wizard, cleric, druid, archivist, artificer, or spell to power erudite, is going to be the way to go. If you want to go further than that, you can also add a high power prestige class like incantatrix or planar shepherd. Incidentally, killing the tarrasque is really easy, so it's possible that your DM seeks less power than he's claiming.

[bjoern]

I'm starting what is essentially an epic campaign with some friends (The first thing we fight will be a Tarrasque). Our DM said that we can min/max as much as we want, in fact, he encouraged that we make our characters as powerful as possible because he wants to min/max the combats.

Any and every source is available.

We start lvl 18 with ~350k gp. What classes would you guys recommend? The only real limit is that our characters can't be decidedly 'broken' (punpun for example).

Give this a read if you haven't already.



http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?104002-3-5e-The-Logic-Ninja-s-Guide-to-Wizards-Being-Batman

[Taveena]

Psionic Artificer is probably the strongest out of the box, being able to craft items that'll let them use all Psionic Powers, all arcane spells (hi STP Erudite) and divine spells (hi dragon #349).

[HokumGuru]

We'll also be fighting an Atropal as well

[Rebel7284]

There are plenty of ways to make ridiculous characters at that level.

- Elven Generalist Domain Wizard 5/Incantatrix 10/Shadowcraft Mage 3
- Azurin Cloisted Cleric 5/Dweomerkeeper 10/Sacred Excorcist 1/Contemplative 1/X 1 Initiate of Mystra feat.

[bjoern]

The batman link I posted is all about being versatile for any situation imagine able.

But if your fighting the obligatory tarrasque, I'm guessing that your in for a good ole hack and slash campaign. In that cast, a mailman may be more your style. By level 18 they're able to use metamagic and blasting spells to vaporize pretty much any baddie with any immunity you'll encounter....during the first round usually. But that's all the mailman is good for so you'll be a one trick pony, but its a pretty fun trick :)

Give this a read, its very well put together and explained.

http://community.wizards.com/forum/previous-editions-character-optimization/threads/1765181

[Chronos]

You need to find out just how much optimization your DM really wants-- A DM who says "as much as possible" doesn't actually mean it; he just doesn't know it yet. Even Emperor Tippy sets limits.

[EnglishLanguage]

Best minx/max class fo-
Wizard/Cleric/Druid

But you didn't let me fini-
Wizard/Cleric/Druid

Though I guess you can drop Wizard and put Arcanist now that the ACG is out.

[bekeleven]

Factotum 3/Cloistered Cleric 1/Human Paragon 3/Chameleon 10/Exemplar 1.

9th level spells? Chameleon.
All lists? Chameleon. Including Haste and Dispel magic at level 1 from the Trapsmith.
Int SAD? Int to Initiative, more than half of all skills, AC, will saves, and can add it to attack, damage, save, and AC through inspiration points.

Int? 18 starting +1 age + 2 human paragon + 6 enhancement +10 horseshoes of flame +5 inherent +6 Chameleon = 48. If Dragonlance is open, you're using this for bonus spells on your cleric spells as well as your D.Chameleon spells. Otherwise, you're only getting that +5/5/5/4/4/4/4/3/3/3 to your arcane spells list. Hardly enough for anything, really.

A chameleon can summon an allip to kill a tarrasque, but why would he need to?

[Giddonihah]

How much complexity can you stand? At this level its not hard for spontaneous casters to be viable, and they have the benefit of you not having to prepare all of your many spell slots. Even Sorcerer casting gets lvl 9 spells. Sorcerers get access to the handy wings of Cover, and Wings of Flurry spells, both quite fun to abuse even at these levels. Course you should never go pure sorcerer.

My personal favorite is an Illuniam Chameleon using tricks to add 9th level spellslots, then getting bonus spells off of Strength using a sigil and gishing it like no one else can gish with DMM Persistent buffs from every spelllist in the game.

edit: Got beaten to Chameleon XD, but my preference is going str based, cause you can pump strength up to 100ish, by combining Giantsize, Bite of the Werebear and other buffs, then as an Illumian you can key your Bonus spells off of Str instead of Int, netting you a ton of spells. Its less capable of DC combat though, as your DC stat is still INT.

[Biffoniacus_Furiou]

Gray Elf (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/monsters/elf.htm#grayElf), Martial (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/variant/classes/variantCharacterClasses.htm#wizard) Domain (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/variant/classes/variantCharacterClasses.htm#wizardVariantDomainWiz ard) Wizard 5/ Incantatrix 10/ Paragnostic Apostle 3, use the Elf Wizard 1 substitution level in RotW. Say you visited the Otyugh Hole in CS to get Iron Will without spending a feat on it. Take Item Familiar (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/variant/magic/itemFamiliars.htm) at 3rd, which should start out as a +1 Ring of Protection. Invest every skill point you get into that for the greatest return, which should go toward Spellcraft so you can always succeed by taking ten on your checks to use Metamagic Effect and Cooperative Metamagic. You can use Cooperative Metamagic on your own spells as long as you're not in combat, since the action economy system only exists during initiative. Add Persistent Spell to a whole lot of buffs every day, especially Selective Spell (SS) Antimagic Field and Superior Invisibility. Say you cast Embrace the Dark Chaos and Shun the Dark Chaos in FC1 each four times to replace your four Elf martial weapon proficiency feats with any four feats you qualify for at the time you cast those. Trade your Wizard 5 bonus feat for a domain power or spontaneous divination in CC, your Wizard 1 feat should be Improved Initiative. Be sure to get Uncanny Forethought in EE, and focus mostly on having extremely strong no-save or save-but-still-screwed crowd controls like Freezing Fog and Iceberg, persistent spells that let you make unlimited attacks like (Fell Drain, Fell Frighten) Thunderlance and Cloud of Knives (multiple times), along with tons of utility and problem solving spells. Obligatory God Wizard Handbook (http://community.wizards.com/forum/previous-editions-character-optimization/threads/1146876) link, and take this advice (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?367376-Requesting-help-with-a-Debuff-Wizard-3-5&p=17957075&viewfull=1#post17957075).

[Ketiara]

http://community.wizards.com/content/forum-topic/2478051

Ive always wanted to try this build, if I ever come across a dm and party where this is suitable.

[sideswipe]

how about commoner? good ol commoner..... with chickens and a single magic item of continuous greater consumptive field.... and the improved unarmed strike feat and a bunch of reach shenanigans. when he has had enough or dies bring in a wizard.

[Aliek]

Depends on how high op we're talking about. At its height(As in, no infinite loops and stuff mostly), a Psion is the best option, most likely. With access to all powers(Naturally, with PsyChirurgery), and spells(Through StP Erudite), you can have pretty much anything.

Then with PP Recharge tricks, and its great and versatile casting system, Psion takes the cake for me. Or creates one with True Creation. Or True Creation, Psionic.

[sideswipe]

Depends on how high op we're talking about. At its height(As in, no infinite loops and stuff mostly), a Psion is the best option, most likely. With access to all powers(Naturally, with PsyChirurgery), and spells(Through StP Erudite), you can have pretty much anything.

Then with PP Recharge tricks, and its great and versatile casting system, Psion takes the cake for me. Or creates one with True Creation. Or True Creation, Psionic.

yeh, psion is probably the best option as long as your DM allows you to know an epic level erudite to feed off for money.