One punch: over 500 damage. What would happen?

[Ken Murikumo]

I built a character than can do over 500 damage on a crit while charging unarmed (well, with a battle fist), that's with no precision damage, all straight damage (assuming a good roll). Pretty limited criteria, but it's 19-20 without having to roll confirmation, so it's a decent chance as long as i pinball between enemies.

Anyways,
with an impact that could potentially kill almost anything in D&D, what do you guys thing would happen?

[gooddragon1]

I built a character than can do over 500 damage on a crit while charging unarmed (well, with a battle fist), that's with no precision damage, all straight damage (assuming a good roll). Pretty limited criteria, but it's 19-20 without having to roll confirmation, so it's a decent chance as long as i pinball between enemies.

Anyways,
with an impact that could potentially kill almost anything in D&D, what do you guys thing would happen?
This: Saitama (http://onepunchman.wikia.com/wiki/Saitama).

Also, festering anger lad.

Festering anger is a disease from the book of vile darkness supplement that causes -2 con and +2 strength per day. Mind over body (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/psionic/psionicFeats.htm#mindOverBody) is a feat that allows you to heal ability damage at a rate equal to 1 + your con bonus per day. If you have 1614 constitution, you can heal the con damage each day and continually gain strength. When your strength reaches 1010, you will deal +500 damage on a successful hit with a +500 chance to hit. If you don't have improved unarmed strike I think you can take a -4 to hit (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/combat/injuryandDeath.htm#nonlethalDamage) on the attack roll to deal lethal damage.

[Giddonihah]

This: Saitama (http://onepunchman.wikia.com/wiki/Saitama).
I always thought Saitama was a 1d2 crusader that accidentally found the combo.

[gooddragon1]

I always thought Saitama was a 1d2 crusader that accidentally found the combo.

Nah, he's probably just a festering anger lad who got strong at an accelerated rate. 410 STR is enough to benchpress the observable universe anyways I think.

[Emperor Tippy]

Depends. So long as it is a kill you can generally fluff it however you want. Anything from just punching his head off to the body vaporizing to a finger flick caving in the targets head.

Any, all, or none of those works depending upon the situation.

Think about it like this; a five foot block of solid stone has 225 HP if I remember correctly. You can turn that block to dust with a single punch. A vanilla level 1 fighter has 10-14 HP. You can kill him 20 times over with a single punch.

[torrasque666]

Basically, you punch someone and they dissolve into a fine pink mist.



Festering anger is a disease from the book of vile darkness supplement that causes -2 con and +2 strength per day. Mind over body (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/psionic/psionicFeats.htm#mindOverBody) is a feat that allows you to heal ability damage at a rate equal to 1 + your con bonus per day. If you have 16 constitution, you can heal the con damage each day and continually gain strength. When your strength reaches 1010, you will deal +500 damage on a successful hit with a +500 chance to hit. If you don't have improved unarmed strike I think you can take a -4 to hit (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/combat/injuryandDeath.htm#nonlethalDamage) on the attack roll to deal lethal damage.

Wouldn't you only need a 14 in Con? 14-2=12, (12-10)/2=1, 1+1=2 which allows for 2 points healed, taking you back to 14 Con, allowing it to be repeated.

And I am now hating the fact that Warforged are immune to disease, can't take advantage of this

[gooddragon1]

Depends. So long as it is a kill you can generally fluff it however you want. Anything from just punching his head off to the body vaporizing to a finger flick caving in the targets head.

Any, all, or none of those works depending upon the situation.

Think about it like this; a five foot block of solid stone has 225 HP if I remember correctly. You can turn that block to dust with a single punch. A vanilla level 1 fighter has 10-14 HP. You can kill him 20 times over with a single punch.

And yet with the amount of strength you need to deal +500 damage you can lift:
~1.61e+62 lbs.
~8.03e+58 tons.
Observable universe = 10e+50 tons. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Observable_universe#Mass_of_ordinary_matter)

[gooddragon1]

Basically, you punch someone and they dissolve into a fine pink mist.




Wouldn't you only need a 14 in Con? 14-2=12, (12-10)/2=1, 1+1=2 which allows for 2 points healed, taking you back to 14 Con, allowing it to be repeated.

And I am now hating the fact that Warforged are immune to disease, can't take advantage of this

Yes, however on the second count you can always polymorph any object later on or reincarnate.

[SosadhScath]

I think you'd break your damn hand.
That's what would happen.

Physics is a houserule, but in my games, Newton's Third Law still applies.

[gooddragon1]

I think you'd break your damn hand.
That's what would happen.

Physics is a houserule, but in my games, Newton's Third Law still applies.

Actually, imo, when you have a strength score that high you cease being able to deal bludgeoning damage. It starts becoming piercing or slashing.

[Ken Murikumo]

Think about it like this; a five foot block of solid stone has 225 HP if I remember correctly. You can turn that block to dust with a single punch. A vanilla level 1 fighter has 10-14 HP. You can kill him 20 times over with a single punch.

objects don't take extra damage from crits though. Does the valorous (http://www.realmshelps.net/cgi-bin/magweapdesc.pl?power=Valorous&src=mweapontype) weapon enchantment or feats and abilities that do more doublings while charging effect objects though?

@ gooddragon1
I've seen frames from that comic, but never knew where it was from. That is just about what i had in mind. Festering anger seems cool, but i'm sure the DM would just rocks fall me at that point.

as for breaking m own hand, adamantine battlefist says otherwise.

[torrasque666]

Yes, however on the second count you can always polymorph any object later on or reincarnate.

Hmmm...... if we go by the idea that the CWar/CArc prestige rule only applies to the classes in those books, could I go X/Juggernaut 5 and get the immunity to Ability Damage, permenantly polymorph into a race not immune to disease, contract Festering Anger, and then just wait and ignore the Con damage?

And side note: you'd actually need 17 Con, its 1d3, so possibly 3 Con damage, which you'd need 14 Con(+2) to recover from.

[Arbane]

I was going to say "Fist Of The North Star", but yeah, One-Punch Man is more appropriate for this one. :smallbiggrin:

[Crake]

objects don't take extra damage from crits though. Does the valorous (http://www.realmshelps.net/cgi-bin/magweapdesc.pl?power=Valorous&src=mweapontype) weapon enchantment or feats and abilities that do more doublings while charging effect objects though?

@ gooddragon1
I've seen frames from that comic, but never knew where it was from. That is just about what i had in mind. Festering anger seems cool, but i'm sure the DM would just rocks fall me at that point.

as for breaking m own hand, adamantine battlefist says otherwise.

yes, but he was dealing 500 damage on a crit, assuming his crit multiplier is x2, then 250 damage would still obliterate that 5ft cube of stone

[Nousos]

Ever see Kung Pow? Basicly wherever you punch becoming a hole is the way I like to imagine it, since you are hitting too hard and fast for damage to spread out. Essentially your fist becomes a giant hollow point round.

[sideswipe]

Festering anger is a disease from the book of vile darkness supplement that causes -2 con and +2 strength per day. Mind over body (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/psionic/psionicFeats.htm#mindOverBody) is a feat that allows you to heal ability damage at a rate equal to 1 + your con bonus per day. If you have 1614 constitution, you can heal the con damage each day and continually gain strength. When your strength reaches 1010, you will deal +500 damage on a successful hit with a +500 chance to hit. If you don't have improved unarmed strike I think you can take a -4 to hit (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/combat/injuryandDeath.htm#nonlethalDamage) on the attack roll to deal lethal damage.

wrong



Festering Anger: Brought upon by long-term, intense fury and hatred, this disease manifests as dark boils across the skin. The incubation period—in this case, the amount of time during which a character must be angry—varies, but it usually takes at least a year for festering anger to erupt. Each day after the onset of this malady, the character takes 1d3 points of Constitution damage, but she gains a cumulative +2 enhancement bonus to Strength.

emphasis mine. i constantly have to remind people that its 1d3 damage

[The Insanity]

This (http://mangafox.me/manga/history_s_strongest_disciple_kenichi/v59/c572/1.html) or this (http://mangafox.me/manga/history_s_strongest_disciple_kenichi/v59/c573/17.html). Or Kingu Panchu! (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QM-41Jy-BcI)

[Elderand]

What's really going to happen is the dm is gonna throw enemies with several thousand hp and immune to criticals your way.

[Spore]

You gain the power of the narrative, describing the demise of your opponent to your liking.

[PsyBomb]

You gain the power of the narrative, describing the demise of your opponent to your liking.

Anyone who has played Scion when people have a 10-dot attribute knows this one. For those who haven't, you basically become the storyteller, automatically solving the problem if it can be solved by that attribute in any conceivable way. The example given is of Hercules grabbing a living DEMIPLANE by the tail and tossing it a couple thousand miles away from Mount Olympus.

[Shining Wrath]

This: Saitama (http://onepunchman.wikia.com/wiki/Saitama).

Also, festering anger lad.

Festering anger is a disease from the book of vile darkness supplement that causes -2 con and +2 strength per day. Mind over body (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/psionic/psionicFeats.htm#mindOverBody) is a feat that allows you to heal ability damage at a rate equal to 1 + your con bonus per day. If you have 1614 constitution, you can heal the con damage each day and continually gain strength. When your strength reaches 1010, you will deal +500 damage on a successful hit with a +500 chance to hit. If you don't have improved unarmed strike I think you can take a -4 to hit (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/combat/injuryandDeath.htm#nonlethalDamage) on the attack roll to deal lethal damage.

BoVD: example #1 of why 3.0 material should not automatically be allowed in 3.5.

[Snowbluff]

And I am now hating the fact that Warforged are immune to disease, can't take advantage of this

What's a warforged? I just graft on some mighty arms whenever I use battlefist.

[Ken Murikumo]

What's really going to happen is the dm is gonna throw enemies with several thousand hp and immune to criticals your way.

I don't plan on going "full power" during every encounter, so that kind of escalation won't happen very quickly. The bulk of my damage comes from using greater mighty wallop on my sizing battlefist to deal gargantuan damage (12d8 and maybe more depending on technicalities). Besides, the guy who is the DM for the campaign makes obscenely powerful characters when he is not the DM of a game, so busting out a game-ender when he least expects it is something i've always wanted to do.


You gain the power of the narrative, describing the demise of your opponent to your liking.

I'll prepare a few clips from Azura's Wrath then!


What's a warforged? I just graft on some mighty arms whenever I use battlefist.

Renegade Mastermaker. Battlefist at level 1 and it ends up as a +3 by lvl 9 of the PrC without paying a single copper

[Snowbluff]

Renegade Mastermaker. Battlefist at level 1 and it ends up as a +3 by lvl 9 of the PrC without paying a single copper

That's so much worse and you have no idea. Not like those levels could have been used for damage dice or class features.

[Ken Murikumo]

That's so much worse and you have no idea. Not like those levels could have been used for damage dice or class features.

I don't see whats so bad about it. This fits the character perfectly and is part of a gestalt build.

[Snowbluff]

I don't see whats so bad about it. This fits the character perfectly and is part of a gestalt build.You have a gold value on wasted prereqs? Because that's not satisfactory. It's a non-feature. That means it should be a non-starter. Gestalt or not, it's a WASTE.

A few gold or a race change will save you the level cost. Done.

[Mithril Leaf]

I personally like Kalshatar with a host feat and Practiced Manifester for my Monk builds. Roll up lawful evil and toss some cheap fiend arms on yourself, then load them up with shards of +1 size category. You can easily replace your default arms with the battlefist carrier as well. At level 10 you can easily be rocking around +12 size increases on a pure monk.

Or Psionic Lesser Deurgar.

[Ken Murikumo]

You have a gold value on wasted prereqs? Because that's not satisfactory. It's a non-feature. That means it should be a non-starter. Gestalt or not, it's a WASTE.

A few gold or a race change will save you the level cost. Done.

I was talking about the class in general, not just getting a +3 battlefist. The crafting centric class features, 8/10 casting, type change, and fluff is what appealed to me. The +3 battlefist (that was the start of an investigation that eventually yielded a 500 damage punch) was just an added bonus.

[Snowbluff]

Do you know what the class features do? They can be summed up to "you are construct," in which case you should be playing a Warforged.

Leaf has it right.