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Da'Shain
2014-08-30, 04:55 PM
Simple question, but it seemed like more of an advice question than a rules one so I figured I wouldn't use the Q&A thread:

I'm building a replacement character for our current game, a Rage Prophet (so Barb/Oracle), and I'm looking into ways to survive using WIS as a dump stat, because I'm one of those people who really, REALLY hates dumping INT. So far I have the Irrepressible (http://www.d20pfsrd.com/traits/faith-traits/irrepressible) trait (+CHA to Will vs. charms/compulsions, in place of WIS), and Eldritch Heritage for the Orc Bloodline (http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/core-classes/sorcerer/bloodlines/bloodlines-from-paizo/orc-bloodline) which'll eventually give me immunity to fear, in addition to some nice nat AC and an awesome strength boost with some more feats.

I've been wracking my brain but for some reason, other types of Will saves that I really need to worry about are escaping me, so my question is twofold:

What other types of spells that allow Will saves do I need to be paranoid about?
Are there other or better ways to become stronger/immune vs. those types of spells?

With a box
2014-08-30, 05:06 PM
fear,charm,compulsion are all subcategory of mind-effect

And by dndtools, there is 317 mind-effect spells that allows will save and where is 1387 spells that allows will save
(book duplicating counted)
well, it's 3.5, not pathfinder, but I think pathfinder has same distribution.
do you see the problem?

near all illusion spells to disbelieve (100+?)
Trap the soul
Many save or suck spells (ex:glitterdust)
I think there is a lot of them

Da'Shain
2014-08-30, 05:18 PM
Ah yes, illusions; I had figured immunity to fear takes care of the more overtly dangerous ones but a way to add to those saves would also be a boon.

Trap the soul will be quite dangerous ... if/once we get high enough to worry about it. Glitterdust is more immediately troublesome, thank you. So a better boon to Will might be in order.

With a box
2014-08-30, 05:24 PM
Beep Beep
I added some in 2nd post and remind you I did that

grarrrg
2014-08-30, 06:42 PM
a Rage Prophet (so Barb/Oracle)

Don't.
By all means, multi-class a Barbarian/Oracle.
But stay the heck away from Rage Prophet. It's utter garbage.

gooddragon1
2014-08-30, 06:54 PM
Simple question, but it seemed like more of an advice question than a rules one so I figured I wouldn't use the Q&A thread:

I'm building a replacement character for our current game, a Rage Prophet (so Barb/Oracle), and I'm looking into ways to survive using WIS as a dump stat, because I'm one of those people who really, REALLY hates dumping INT. So far I have the Irrepressible (http://www.d20pfsrd.com/traits/faith-traits/irrepressible) trait (+CHA to Will vs. charms/compulsions, in place of WIS), and Eldritch Heritage for the Orc Bloodline (http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/core-classes/sorcerer/bloodlines/bloodlines-from-paizo/orc-bloodline) which'll eventually give me immunity to fear, in addition to some nice nat AC and an awesome strength boost with some more feats.

I've been wracking my brain but for some reason, other types of Will saves that I really need to worry about are escaping me, so my question is twofold:

What other types of spells that allow Will saves do I need to be paranoid about?
Are there other or better ways to become stronger/immune vs. those types of spells?


Plane Shift (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/spells/planeShift.htm). Counter by being able to plane shift back or something. There are spells that can prevent it from affecting you if you want.

Arbane
2014-08-31, 01:35 AM
There's a feat in the new book that grants +Cha mod to all saves.
Yes, it's probably ridiculously overpowered, but it's REALLY good for an Oracle.

Yanisa
2014-08-31, 02:04 AM
fear,charm,compulsion are all subcategory of mind-effect

And by dndtools, there is 317 mind-effect spells that allows will save and where is 1387 spells that allows will save
(book duplicating counted)
well, it's 3.5, not pathfinder, but I think pathfinder has same distribution.
do you see the problem?

near all illusion spells to disbelieve (100+?)
Trap the soul
Many save or suck spells (ex:glitterdust)
I think there is a lot of them

It seems pathfinder (http://www.d20pfsrd.com/magic/tools/spells-db) has about 652 saves with a will saving throw, and about 166 of those are mind-affecting. In addition 276 have the "will" yes but "harmless" line. And even from that remaining pile many spells won't bother you (Gentle Repose, Command Undead), but yeah, there are still some nasty spells that can affect you.

Psyren
2014-08-31, 10:45 AM
Deadly ones include:

1) Glitterdust
2) Magic Jar
3) Plane Shift
4) Slow
5) The "Word" line of spells
6) Bestow Curse
7) various "Symbol" spells