What does PEACH mean?

[TeslaJr]

Don't know if I get anymore descriptive than the title.

[Forrestfire]

Please Examine and Critique Honestly, iirc.

[TeslaJr]

Huh, makes sense. Thanks!

[nedz]

Please Evaluate And Critique Honestly.

[KillianHawkeye]

It's also a tasty fruit! :smallbiggrin:

EDIT: Can I just point out the irony of the first response to this thread being made by someone with a Princess Peach avatar? LOL

[TeslaJr]

It's also a tasty fruit! :smallbiggrin:

EDIT: Can I just point out the irony of the first response to this thread being made by someone with a Princess Peach avatar? LOL

Ha! I didn't even notice that.

[Lord Vukodlak]

It's also a tasty fruit! :smallbiggrin:

EDIT: Can I just point out the irony of the first response to this thread being made by someone with a Princess Peach avatar? LOL

That's not actually irony... but it is interesting.

[Thurbane]

That's not actually irony... but it is interesting.

Alanis Morissette would disagree with you. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nm-1xvWibt0)


:smallbiggrin:

[backwaterj]

Alanis Morissette would disagree with you. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nm-1xvWibt0)


:smallbiggrin:

You can't do that in the Playground! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B1Q55CLrTkg)

[daryen]

Alanis Morissette would disagree with you. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nm-1xvWibt0)
And Alanis Morissette would be unequivocally wrong. What happened in this thread and what Morissette describes are coincidences, not irony. For something to be irony, there has to be contradiction or opposition. Having Princess Peach post about PEACH or having your wedding rained on are not opposites. They are merely unexpected (which makes them coincidences).

Of course, the idea of irony meaning coincidence, not meaning what it actually means, is becoming so ingrained in the culture that the definition will probably eventually change. But that hasn't happened yet.

And, if you don't believe me, read the actual definition of irony (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/irony).

As an aside, that particular Morissette song is actually the most common "go to" example of the misuse of the term irony. So, really, the only ironic thing in this whole discussion is someone mistakenly using her song as a real example of irony. (Which it isn't; it is the opposite of an example of irony.)

[Vogonjeltz]

And Alanis Morissette would be unequivocally wrong. What happened in this thread and what Morissette describes are coincidences, not irony. For something to be irony, there has to be contradiction or opposition. Having Princess Peach post about PEACH or having your wedding rained on are not opposites. They are merely unexpected (which makes them coincidences).

Of course, the idea of irony meaning coincidence, not meaning what it actually means, is becoming so ingrained in the culture that the definition will probably eventually change. But that hasn't happened yet.

And, if you don't believe me, read the actual definition of irony (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/irony).

As an aside, that particular Morissette song is actually the most common "go to" example of the misuse of the term irony. So, really, the only ironic thing in this whole discussion is someone mistakenly using her song as a real example of irony. (Which it isn't; it is the opposite of an example of irony.)

Actually rain on your wedding day is ironic if you expect wedding days to be bright and sunny and happy. Now your wedding day is the opposite of what is expected, rainy and gloomy and sad.

I know it's a pop culture thing to rag on her use in the song, but ultimately she used it correctly.

[Curmudgeon]

Please Examine and Critique Honestly, iirc.
Alternatively in some contexts Please Evaluate and Comment Helpfully (i.e., the poster doesn't want any negative feedback, only ego strokes).

[Divide by Zero]

Of course, since none of the examples in the song are actually examples of irony, doesn't that make the song itself ironic?

[backwaterj]

I'd interpret the song that way if my opinion of Alanis was a bit higher.

I do not, in any way, think Thurbane was himself using irony. Not one bit.

[The Random NPC]

Of course, since none of the examples in the song are actually examples of irony, doesn't that make the song itself ironic?

IIRC, the part about the plane is ironic, which is why when she said the lack of irony was the ironic part, she was wrong.

[backwaterj]

I think it's high time we heeded the sage's (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y9MWE7DdtIw) advice on the subject.

[heavyfuel]

I think it's high time we heeded the sage's (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y9MWE7DdtIw) advice on the subject.

"It's not ironic, it's just coinci"

Why does Youtube sometimes cuts out the last second of it's videos?

[backwaterj]

"It's not ironic, it's just coinci"

Why does Youtube sometimes cuts out the last second of it's videos?

You have obviously displeased the Youtubinati.

[Rubik]

This is topical.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Gv0H-vPoDc

No, that doesn't mean you should rub yourself all over with it.

Though it IS rather sexy...

[daryen]

Actually rain on your wedding day is ironic if you expect wedding days to be bright and sunny and happy. Now your wedding day is the opposite of what is expected, rainy and gloomy and sad.

Uh, no. That is still not irony. To be irony, it would have to be something like referring to your divorce as a "wedding day". Having crappy weather on you wedding day just isn't irony, no matter how disappointing or what the implied expectations are.

But, again, this oft-repeated discussion is rapidly becoming irrelevant as the meaning of irony is changing. Regardless of what Merriam Webster says, when the vast majority of people use the word to mean "unfortunate event or coincidence", that is what it will mean.

[Tohsaka Rin]

Ed Byrne covered this years ago (www.youtube.com/embed/nT1TVSTkAXg).

[Vogonjeltz]

Alternatively in some contexts Please Evaluate and Comment Helpfully (i.e., the poster doesn't want any negative feedback, only ego strokes).

Ego stroke sounds too much like sycophancy. I read evaluate and comment helpfully as avoiding pointless belittling of a position.

[Thurbane]

And Alanis Morissette would be unequivocally wrong.

As an aside, that particular Morissette song is actually the most common "go to" example of the misuse of the term irony. So, really, the only ironic thing in this whole discussion is someone mistakenly using her song as a real example of irony. (Which it isn't; it is the opposite of an example of irony.)

http://i62.tinypic.com/2ahfv3k.jpg

[Vogonjeltz]

Uh, no. That is still not irony. To be irony, it would have to be something like referring to your divorce as a "wedding day". Having crappy weather on you wedding day just isn't irony, no matter how disappointing or what the implied expectations are.

But, again, this oft-repeated discussion is rapidly becoming irrelevant as the meaning of irony is changing. Regardless of what Merriam Webster says, when the vast majority of people use the word to mean "unfortunate event or coincidence", that is what it will mean.

Most people have preconceived expectations of what a wedding day is, rainy is the precise opposite of that. So it really is the opposite of what is expected.


a state of affairs or an event that seems deliberately contrary to what one expects and is often amusing as a result.

Oh look, that is the exact definition. How totally not ironic.

[The Random NPC]

Most people have preconceived expectations of what a wedding day is, rainy is the precise opposite of that. So it really is the opposite of what is expected.



Oh look, that is the exact definition. How totally not ironic.

Out of curiosity, which dictionary did you use?

[nedz]

Out of curiosity, which dictionary did you use?

The same one as Alanis Morissette :smallbiggrin:

[backwaterj]

Clearly not this one. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a2krXq8fw90)

[daryen]

Most people have preconceived expectations of what a wedding day is, rainy is the precise opposite of that. So it really is the opposite of what is expected.
No, it's not. You can't take a single word of an absolutely huge definition (and, really, "irony" has one of the largest entries in many dictionaries) and just fixate on it and end up with reasonable results. Irony is not a synonym of "unexpected". To make it that removes all meaning from irony as sure as equating it to coincident does.

If it meant "unexpected", then things like a car accident would always be ironic. (Most people do not expect to be in a car accident.) At least in the US or Europe. In Russia or Brazil, it isn't as unexpected, so it wouldn't be ironic? Wouldn't such an interpretation mean that every airline crash (irrespective of circumstances) is by definition ironic, as it is always unexpected? Really?

Again, for a wedding to be ironic, you need more than rain. You need to refer to your divorce as your wedding day. Or you need to highlight the joy of the wedding to contrast it to the utter misery you suffered during the marriage. But simply raining on the wedding day is not ironic. Now, if the rain is being used as a metaphor for how the marriage failed after the wedding, I suppose you could work that into an ironic situation. But, by itself, raining on a wedding day is not ironic. In fact, in most cases, it doesn't even harm the day, as the wedding is about much more than the weather.

Finally, if the other posters are correct about what Morissette actually meant by the song, then even she would disagree with you. In fact, I really hope they are correct. That would make the song way more enjoyable.

[Thurbane]

So is Ed Byrne (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nT1TVSTkAXg) correct when he says rain on your wedding day would be ironic, if the groom is a meteorologist and predicted clear weather for the day of the wedding?

[Namfuak]

So is Ed Byrne (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nT1TVSTkAXg) correct when he says rain on your wedding day would be ironic, if the groom is a meteorologist and predicted clear weather for the day of the wedding?

A simpler example would be rain when you had planned your wedding in the Bahamas so it would be sunny.

[nedz]

So is Ed Byrne (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nT1TVSTkAXg) correct when he says rain on your wedding day would be ironic, if the groom is a meteorologist and predicted clear weather for the day of the wedding?

Maybe in Oz, but over here the meteorologist is expected to be wrong — situationally ironic perhaps ?

[backwaterj]

Hmm, maybe if you got the rain you really wanted on your wedding day only to be jilted at the altar?