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Frivolous
2015-10-05, 12:25 PM
Koren: You could be right.

Roland: Have all the doors in the area been opened? What left is there to explore, please?

Roland St. Jude
2015-10-06, 03:41 PM
All known doors on this level have been opened. Also, assuming this level conforms to the dimensions of the two prior levels, you've explored it all. The party can hole up for another rest in whatever room you like (priests' bunk room, high priest's room, large common room, store room, or minotaur room, or, I suppose one of the two long hallways).

Penny has one spell remaining for the day, which I believe I've given you the number of hp healed for, so apply as you see fit. She could also attempt the staff, if it's given to her and if she is told who to test it on.

Neela has exhausted her spells for the day. She will prepare different spells depending on whether you are resting tomorrow or moving on.

Frivolous
2015-10-07, 01:05 AM
Roland: Pardon me if this is stupid or if I have forgotten something that answers my own question, but I was wondering where the 2 escaped clerics could have gone to.

As we may recall, we caught 2 of them coming into the underground garden through one of the murals. They cast Darkness 15' radius and escaped. We followed after.

If we've explored this entire area, where are they?

Nevaera
2015-10-07, 07:30 PM
Probably went through the passageway and forgot to pass on the memo to the high priest guy. XD
I dunno, though. It's yet to be determined with certainty.

As far as the staff goes, Penny can have a look at it - if she needs to be informed of this, Ash will speak up and ask her directly to have a look at it. If she can determine how to heal with it and whether there are a limited number of uses per day / per person per day, then that'd be great. If not, Neela should prepare Identify one more time tomorrow (instead of a sleep spell or some such).
For the last heal spell, which totaled 5HP, Ash should have it unless there's anyone else missing more than 7HP at this time. I say 7HP 'cause that includes 2HP from rest. :smallsmile:

Roland St. Jude
2015-10-07, 11:42 PM
Roland: Pardon me if this is stupid or if I have forgotten something that answers my own question, but I was wondering where the 2 escaped clerics could have gone to.

As we may recall, we caught 2 of them coming into the underground garden through one of the murals. They cast Darkness 15' radius and escaped. We followed after.

If we've explored this entire area, where are they?If you mean the two prisoners, they escaped on the garden level. It seems likely that they fled into the garden or even back up to the temple. If you mean the two replacement guards that showed up, they rejoined the battle in the
guardroom. They went and got warriors and returned.

Nevaera
2015-10-08, 09:36 AM
Oh, yeah, way back then. I couldn't remember specifically which time was being referred to.

That all makes sense to me! ^_^

Frivolous
2015-10-12, 11:51 AM
I believe we are awaiting further responses regarding the proposal to rest and barricade the mural, yes?

Or does everyone already agree and we should move forward?

Nevaera
2015-10-12, 01:21 PM
I thought we were doing that already. :smallbiggrin:
I'm just waiting for others to chime in (or Roland to say how it goes). Of course we'll have some ppl on watch duty as usual, likely Mycah and Murray as the main watch. If Athos is all full on spells (sleep and web, most likely), then he could even help. :smallsmile:

Gwendol
2015-10-13, 01:25 AM
I have my full loadout still.

Frivolous
2015-10-15, 04:52 AM
I guess it never occurred to me that Athos doesn't have Detect Magic. I'm too used to later versions of D&D.

Roland, may I ask who does have Detect Magic in the party?

Frivolous
2015-10-20, 12:59 PM
Hope the other players can chime in and we can exit the mural, whichever it is.

Sorry for any confusion on my part as to which mural. My spatial imagination is terrible.

Koren n'Rhys
2015-10-20, 01:23 PM
Ok, I've lost track of the layout too. The next mural in the priests chamber, as I understood it. We want to move forward/deeper, not back, so long as we're all healed up now and ready to rock and roll, correct?

Frivolous
2015-10-20, 01:35 PM
Thanks for reassuring me, Koren. I was feeling bad because I had gotten lost.

Spatial is where I usually do the worst in IQ tests.

Roland, would it be all right if you just tell us where the nearest unexplored entrance/exit is, and we'll go there?

Roland St. Jude
2015-10-20, 02:17 PM
The unexplored mural is in the high priest's bedroom. I assume the party is headed through there next.

Frivolous
2015-10-20, 02:22 PM
The unexplored mural is in the high priest's bedroom. I assume the party is headed through there next.

There was a mural in the high priest's bedroom? Gah, I didn't remember that at all. :smalleek:

Frivolous
2015-10-20, 02:29 PM
Roland: Pardon me, but I checked the relevant posts, and there does not seem to be a description of what the mural in the high priest's bedroom is of.

That's why I wrote my IC post where Bran looks to see what it depicts.

Koren n'Rhys
2015-10-20, 03:03 PM
Roland: Pardon me, but I checked the relevant posts, and there does not seem to be a description of what the mural in the high priest's bedroom is of.

That's why I wrote my IC post where Bran looks to see what it depicts.

Roland had noted that murals covered the walls in his chamber. He touched the rod to one of them and went into a hallway when it opened. We actually followed him in, killed him and dragged him back out. And now we have the rod to open the murals without paying any cost. Theoretically.


The priest grabs up a staff and lantern from the corner of the room and moves to the other rear corner of the room, swinging the staff out in front of him to ward off the party. The room is lit by torches and murals adorn the walls. A bed, chest of drawers, and two chairs are modest furnishings in this room but now are just obstacles to fight over and through. None present series obstacles.


He continues to clutch the shuttered lantern in one hand but drops his staff and grabs out out a scepter, similar to the one taken from the guard priests above. He touches it to the wall behind him and it opens. A dark tunnel lies beyond.

Frivolous
2015-10-20, 03:16 PM
So we didn't explore down that same tunnel already? Okay. *confused*

Koren n'Rhys
2015-10-20, 03:25 PM
Nope, not one in his room. I don't exactly recall, but I think it shut after we came back out and we haven't played with the rod to see if we can reopen it.

Ah - this was in #663

The mural closes suddenly after a few minutes, closing off the priest's would-be escape route.

Roland St. Jude
2015-10-20, 04:00 PM
Right, no one has explored down the, now-closed, would-be escape route in the high priest's bedroom. Which lies behind a mural that he opened with the wand.

All the walls in that room are covered with murals, and the primary depiction where the tunnel opened up matches the third mural from the temple chamber above. You saw the high priest open that mural with the wand, which you took from him, and presumably it opens the mural repeatedly and without paying sacrifice cost.

The only other way off this level that you know of is it back up to the garden chamber. To my recollection, no one has gone back to the guard chamber and up the ramp to the threshold of the garden chamber since the party's descent to this level. It's quite possible the mural that allowed entry to this level from above has now also closed.

Frivolous
2015-10-21, 12:16 AM
I was thinking we did explore down that path after we defeated the cleric. But apparently we explored some different corridor instead. :smallredface:

I feel so stupid when it comes to these things.

Edit: After another period of rest, Bran is up to 20/23.

Kish
2015-10-21, 01:27 PM
Is anyone invisible now?

If Aditi regains 2 hit points from resting, she's at 13/16.

Koren n'Rhys
2015-10-21, 03:03 PM
I don't believe so. Mycah lost his attacking the minotaur.

Kish
2015-10-21, 03:06 PM
I thought we rested after that.

Koren n'Rhys
2015-10-21, 03:22 PM
We did, but no one asked to be invisible again, as far as I recall.

Nevaera
2015-10-21, 03:28 PM
Yes, so there is one invis. spell available for either Mycah or Aditi (whichever player would dislike it least, though it technically should be Aditi's turn I think).

Bran, don't worry about getting a little lost before, I do that too. ^_^
The mural room is across from the bunk room we all slept in the last couple nights - same room as the snakes and the priest we fought before any minotaur fighting.

Frivolous
2015-10-25, 12:25 AM
Roland: Pardon me, but Bran asked a question about whether the staff can heal anything but wounds.

Hope you don't feel the question is unnecessary, since I'm not sure about it either. Plus I feel it's good IC.

Nevaera
2015-10-25, 09:13 AM
OOC: It's a Staff of Healing. It can heal 1d6+1 hp once per day per person. It may have some upper limit of separate persons per day but it shouldn't be an issue for party use.

I think you just missed the spoiler - the staff does nothing more than heal. ^_^

Frivolous
2015-10-25, 11:41 AM
No, I saw the spoiler. I guess Bran is just hoping Neela left something out.

Nevaera
2015-10-25, 12:05 PM
Maybe now Penny can pray for some other kinds of useful spells like Hold Person (can free ppl of hold person I think) and Snake Charm / Bless / Silence / something. And we can use the pendant-gem-thing plus the staff for all the healing. :D

Frivolous
2015-10-29, 11:38 PM
After re-reading the description of the room, it is impossible to tell right now whether the room is conducive to a Web spell. Alas.

Nevaera
2015-11-01, 12:25 AM
Forgot to make Ash's attack and damage rolls. Here they are. ^_^

Sword Attack: [roll0]
Sword Dmg: [roll1]

Roland St. Jude
2015-11-01, 12:37 AM
After re-reading the description of the room, it is impossible to tell right now whether the room is conducive to a Web spell. Alas.I'm not sure what you mean by "impossible to tell." It's easy to tell that it is not conducive at all from what the party can see so far. Aside from webbing across the entry arch, there don't seem to be any attachment points in the wide open room.

Frivolous
2015-11-01, 12:55 AM
I'm not sure what you mean by "impossible to tell." It's easy to tell that it is not conducive at all from what the party can see so far. Aside from webbing across the entry arch, there don't seem to be any attachment points in the wide open room.

That it was too dark to tell if the walls were near or far.

But since you clarify here that the walls weren't close enough at all, thanks. Makes me feel better about Bran attacking.

Matthew
2015-11-03, 12:20 AM
Did the party rest between the minotaur fight and this one?

Frivolous
2015-11-03, 01:05 AM
Did the party rest between the minotaur fight and this one?

Yes, it did.

Matthew
2015-11-03, 02:42 AM
I thought so, but cannot seem to find it in the "in character" thread.

Nevaera
2015-11-03, 08:46 AM
Hahah, Nathros did what I did - rolled a 1 for attack and then max for damage. XD

Matthew
2015-11-03, 09:36 AM
All too common, I fear! :smallbiggrin:

Koren n'Rhys
2015-11-03, 11:25 AM
Luck of the dice, I suppose. You'll get them next time. At least Mycah got one, I think.

Nevaera
2015-11-03, 02:22 PM
Yeah, I am pretty sure he did. :D

Nevaera
2015-11-07, 03:44 PM
Sorry to have taken so long guys. :smallfrown:

I'm sick and I was really hyper focused on doing a good job buying a car.
:smallbiggrin: It's pretty much done now though. Picking it up on Tuesday. :smallsmile:

Everyone have a good Halloween?

Frivolous
2015-11-07, 03:56 PM
I barely noticed Halloween. It is not celebrated here, and I was working that day anyway.

Koren n'Rhys
2015-11-09, 08:47 AM
Can't complain. My daughter is too old to go out trick or treating anymore, so she had a friend over to watch horror movies and answer the door to give our candy. My wife and I got out and went to a costume party as Pebbles & BamBam from the Flintstones.

I hope you're enjoying your new car!

Nevaera
2015-11-09, 04:11 PM
That's fabulous! (love those characters)
It was on a Saturday so I'd hoped to do more than the usual, but I still ended up just taking ours out for trick or treating and that was about it - finished the jack-o-lantern right before heading out. XD Such a procrastinator.

Picking it(car) up tomorrow! :D
I think it will be quite nice having heated seats on occasion. Going to miss auto-start though. :P
(They were just finishing up with the struts before I could bring it home so that's the reason for the delay.)

Matthew
2015-11-10, 08:43 AM
I dressed up quite a few times for Halloween this year ...

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Nevaera
2015-11-10, 03:04 PM
Awesome picture with awesome costumes! :D
I had a cape too - almost got my fangs out, but I was too lazy and in a hurry. :P Just wore a white top, black studded corset, mid-length pretty brown skirt, knee-high black boots, the cape, and did my makeup to look kinda dead-ish. I figured no one would see the fangs anyways (they are the subtle kind of fangs, not the whole row of teeth kind), heheh.
My daughter was a cheetah-Manticore (as opposed to the usual Sphinx kind). Dragon tail, cheetah/leopard-print main clothes, Bat Wings, etc... She looked awesome. : )

Koren n'Rhys
2015-11-10, 03:41 PM
Can't go wrong with a corset and knee-high boots! :smallbiggrin:

Nevaera
2015-11-10, 04:14 PM
I'm going to have to give that one a L.O.L. XD

Koren n'Rhys
2015-11-11, 08:35 AM
Mycah fires an arrow, grazing one of the priests not engaged in melee.
I believe this should be max damage (6), Roland. That was a Nat 20 on the attack roll. :smallsmile:

Gwendol
2015-11-13, 02:34 AM
I wonder what happens if a priest is pushed into the portal?

Nevaera
2015-11-13, 03:06 PM
Maybe it's a transformation pool or something else? Though a portal seems rather likely.

Roland St. Jude
2015-11-13, 04:05 PM
I believe this should be max damage (6), Roland. That was a Nat 20 on the attack roll. :smallsmile:
Correct. Fixed now. Also, I believe that frivolous has the foe count correct.

I am traveling this weekend, but I should have a new IC post up by Monday.

Koren n'Rhys
2015-11-13, 04:37 PM
Great - thank you. Safe travels!

Frivolous
2015-11-14, 02:46 AM
Note: Bran is asking for the wand of paralyzation to be used because of the poison factor. If it were just damage, he'd be willing to fight a battle of HP attrition.

Nevaera
2015-11-14, 03:41 PM
It would be good if 3 or more of them were targeted and if the wand has enough charges to do so - the poison can be a real problem for us to keep trying to make saves against.
Also, well done so far guys. It's going well as can be expected, given how many of them we found.

Gwendol
2015-11-16, 03:20 AM
The problem is catching the enemy in the blast without risking allies.

Nevaera
2015-11-16, 08:21 AM
Yes, for sure. With sleep, it's not such an issue, but with hold person, it's too dangerous to risk.

That be the case, Athos should first use all his sleep spells of which he should at least have one more.

Gwendol
2015-11-17, 02:34 AM
Right, so I'll amend my IC post.

Nevaera
2015-11-17, 04:08 PM
Dang - would have made a save vs. paralysis at DC 12 if it went that way. XD

Gwendol
2015-11-18, 04:05 AM
At least Nathros made his save. Does the added torchlight reveal anything?

Nevaera
2015-11-18, 09:40 AM
And there it is - I just realized Ash ran to help and because of that, she's now in stasis (got to close to an ally). I guess I figured they would have tried a spell like that by now if they were going to, but they were just waiting for us to group probably. XD
oooooooops.

But I'll take a failed save on hold person over a failed save vs. poison. :P

Matthew
2015-11-21, 10:50 AM
If I am slow to respond for the next few weeks, it is because we have a new baby! :smallbiggrin:

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Frivolous
2015-11-21, 12:13 PM
Aww, congratulations, Matthew! :smallsmile:

Roland St. Jude
2015-11-21, 12:24 PM
How wonderful! Congratulations!

Nevaera
2015-11-21, 03:59 PM
Congratulations!
:D *exclamation point time infinity*

Koren n'Rhys
2015-11-21, 04:05 PM
Congratulations indeed. Memorable, if stressful, times. Everyone healthy and hale, I hope!

Kish
2015-11-24, 09:37 AM
Congratulations.

Is the uninjured priest pursuing Aditi, keeping his eyes on her but standing still, or...?

Frivolous
2015-11-24, 10:14 AM
Roland, is it permissible for Bran to still attack this round but get an answer first to his question, or should I just roll the attack now?

Roland St. Jude
2015-11-24, 01:04 PM
Congratulations.

Is the uninjured priest pursuing Aditi, keeping his eyes on her but standing still, or...?Given how the initiative went - you went last three prior round and first this round - it doesn't really have a move yet. So, I guess, unknown at this time what it will do next.

Roland, is it permissible for Bran to still attack this round but get an answer first to his question, or should I just roll the attack now?Hmm, yeah, she'll answer pretty quickly, so I'll post that tonight and you can attack or not from there.

Frivolous
2015-11-24, 01:15 PM
Roland: Thanks! Bran will probably attack regardless, but it would be nice to get some information out of them before doing so.

Gwendol
2015-11-25, 11:27 AM
Wow, congratulations! What wonderful news!

Nevaera
2015-12-01, 04:14 PM
We're still posting in the IV threads, right? We've not moved on to five yet?

Roland St. Jude
2015-12-02, 01:18 AM
We're still posting in the IV threads, right? We've not moved on to five yet?Correct. My holiday weekend is a bit extended, but I'll check on it soon. So if we're still waiting on any player actions, get em in now!

Nevaera
2015-12-02, 02:29 PM
Oh okay, good. Just checking. ^_^

Nevaera
2015-12-05, 03:19 PM
I'm not sure how far Ash will get in this round of combat, but - if I can go further - let me know so I can edit my post. I'd like to leave a tiny bit of mystery regarding her actions as I've been waiting a long time for this opportunity.
^_^

Gwendol
2015-12-14, 02:14 AM
Ooooh, control undead: very clever!

Nevaera
2015-12-14, 09:31 AM
:D Thank you! Been waiting a long time for the right opportunity. :P Very excited to see what happens. :smallbiggrin:

Koren n'Rhys
2015-12-14, 10:02 AM
Seems like you picked the right time! Good thinking! We'll see if a 15 is good enough to hit one of them too. IF we can just eliminate the mirror images and pile on the real one, this shouldn't be too bad. (famous last words, I know...)

Nevaera
2015-12-14, 02:16 PM
You'd hit an armour status of 1 so I'm betting that'll work fine. Maybe it'll even be the main one! :D

Woohoo! This is exciting. I'll say no more so as not to jinx anything. :P

Gwendol
2015-12-15, 03:06 AM
Being sidelined I can't express enough how much I want this to end! Go team Hero!

Nevaera
2015-12-15, 10:36 AM
Yeah, I wish we had "Remove Fear" or whatever it is we need to help Athos. (I guess the shield of Petra? But that sucks when Ash needs to use it. XD )

Frivolous
2015-12-15, 01:04 PM
Penny tried casting Remove Fear. Nothing resulted.

Nevaera
2015-12-15, 10:11 PM
Rats...

Also, not sure how active the IC will be, but I'm currently trying to get better from a bug so I might not be on much in the next day or two.
Hopefully I'll be feeling much better tomorrow anyways. :smallsmile:

Roland St. Jude
2015-12-15, 10:16 PM
Rats...

Also, not sure how active the IC will be, but I'm currently trying to get better from a bug so I might not be on much in the next day or two.
Hopefully I'll be feeling much better tomorrow anyways. :smallsmile:Get well soon.

Nevaera
2015-12-15, 11:09 PM
Thanks - I am improving some with some food in me now. :)

Matthew
2015-12-16, 08:46 AM
Get well soon!

Nevaera
2015-12-17, 09:42 AM
Yay! Feeling better! :D

Nevaera
2015-12-24, 12:10 PM
Caught a cold from the kiddo... getting better! XD
Just in time for Christmas travel. Hopefully we'll gain some momentum again next week. ^_^

Frivolous
2015-12-24, 10:55 PM
It's Christmas morning here. Hope everyone has a good holiday.

Roland St. Jude
2015-12-25, 11:08 AM
Happy holidays, all!

Nevaera
2015-12-28, 02:24 PM
Happy Holidays to you all as well! :D
Just got back from a family visit trip - airplane red-eye flight last night, yay! XD

Gwendol
2015-12-28, 02:53 PM
Happy Holidays! Got back today from a family-visiting trip.

Matthew
2015-12-30, 02:09 AM
Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year!

Frivolous
2015-12-30, 11:20 AM
Hope everyone has had a good holiday. Also hope we can continue soon.

Kish
2015-12-30, 11:22 PM
Saving throw vs. spells 15: [roll0]

I am so something.

Koren n'Rhys
2015-12-31, 09:31 AM
Indeed - happy holidays! Hope it was a nice Christmas for everyone, and stay safe tonight.

On a more game related note: Bah! Another miss... :smallfurious:

Frivolous
2015-12-31, 11:00 AM
It's midnight here. Happy new year, everyone.

Roland: Are both remaining Daughters real, not images, or is at least one still possibly illusionary?

Nevaera
2015-12-31, 01:07 PM
Christmas was awesome! ( - with my psycho family. XD )

For New Years, I've still got another 12 hours to go.


I am so something.Hahaha, hopefully not something too terrible.


Ash: Save Vs. Spells DC14: (1d20)[18]
Yay! Woohoo! I still hope Petra protects the others if they aren't going to make their saves though - and honestly, I think it still does half damage if you make your save, so ... Petra!!! *yelps out* help-

:P

Koren n'Rhys
2015-12-31, 01:51 PM
Heh heh. Yeah, I think something is on fire, Kish, but at least Nevaera's save looks good.

2 PM here, so 10 hrs to go (and only one more hr at work).

Kish
2015-12-31, 01:56 PM
I doubt it.

Brandon and Aditi sense a certain indescribable magic attempting to affect their minds.
[...]
The Daughters each raise a hand in unison, "you'll burn for that," and they unleash a missile that erupts into a fireball around Ash and catches also Penny and Murray.

Roland, let me know if I should go ahead and act as if Aditi is still in control of herself, please.

Koren n'Rhys
2015-12-31, 04:18 PM
Ah - looked too quickly. I saw your save and figured it was against the fireball.

Roland St. Jude
2015-12-31, 08:02 PM
Roland: Are both remaining Daughters real, not images, or is at least one still possibly illusionary?You don't really know. Given that the temple above suggests only one daughter, it seems likely that one or both are illusions, though.

Roland, let me know if I should go ahead and act as if Aditi is still in control of herself, please.She is not. She is currently suffering from confusion and must "do nothing" this turn. :smalleek:

Brandon will suffer the same fate if he fails his save this turn (I haven't checked the IC to see whether he's rolled).

Frivolous
2016-01-01, 01:16 AM
Roland: Okay. I was a bit confused that various strikes (particularly from Mycah) keep missing the Daughter/s. I was under the impression that every attack destroys an image. But I guess I am wrong.

Bran saved vs spell again. 17 or 16, either works.

Koren n'Rhys
2016-01-01, 12:03 PM
I'd have to look too, but my recollection of Mirror Image is that a hit will take our an image instead of damaging the real target

Kish
2016-01-01, 12:06 PM
But the Mirror Images are not automatically hit whenever someone swings in their general direction.

Nevaera
2016-01-01, 12:12 PM
That is how I've thought it worked as well - doesn't dissipate unless keenly struck. Otherwise a stiff wind would negate them rather easily. :/

Roland St. Jude
2016-01-01, 01:35 PM
Indeed. Any attack that hits will hit a mirror image instead of the real thing, but it does have to be a hit that would hit the actual target.

Frivolous
2016-01-01, 01:39 PM
Well, drat. No wonder, then. Bran's attack rolls have been very low.

Koren n'Rhys
2016-01-02, 09:11 AM
She must be AC0 though. I missed with a roll that hit a 1.

Kish
2016-01-08, 01:00 PM
Saving throw vs. spells 15: [roll0]

I continue to be something, and since it's confusion I still need to wait to hear what.

Frivolous
2016-01-08, 03:01 PM
Meh, Bran's keeps saving but his attacks keep missing.

Koren n'Rhys
2016-01-08, 03:47 PM
You and me both. She's going to be pretty tough to take down, I think, even focusing on the right one.

Roland St. Jude
2016-01-08, 06:11 PM
Saving throw vs. spells 15: [roll0]

I continue to be something, and since it's confusion I still need to wait to hear what.
Yeah, I have to roll separately each round for the effect so it's kind of cumbersome. But it'll have to wait till I get home so I can look up what I have to roll and what that means.:smalltongue:

Gwendol
2016-01-11, 05:51 AM
I'm not sure how far I will run under the given spell effect, or for how long it last. But for all effective purposes I am out of it until further notice. Sorry.

Kish
2016-01-11, 08:40 AM
Hey, I'll participate! I'll stab someone! ...It may or may not be an enemy!

Roland St. Jude
2016-01-11, 02:06 PM
I'm not sure how far I will run under the given spell effect, or for how long it last. But for all effective purposes I am out of it until further notice. Sorry.What spell effect? :smallwink: Yeah, that's kind of a serious whammy in PbP, perhaps not quite as bad as being held, though. For Gwendol only: I suspect Athos is stopped on one of the upper levels torn between fleeing further and abandoning his party.

Hey, I'll participate! I'll stab someone! ...It may or may not be an enemy!Lucky you, you are compelled to attack the Daughter!

Nevaera
2016-01-11, 02:48 PM
Yay! :smallbiggrin:

Frivolous
2016-01-17, 05:22 PM
Hope we can continue soon.

Nevaera
2016-01-18, 03:05 PM
Roland must be busy and stuff. :/

Kish
2016-01-19, 03:40 PM
I'm not still confused unless I fail this save? Well, then:

Saving throw vs. spells 15: [roll0]

Result of failure: [roll1]

Roland St. Jude
2016-01-19, 03:44 PM
I'm not still confused unless I fail this save? Well, then:

Saving throw vs. spells 15: [roll0]

Result of failure: [roll1]

Still not confused! Did get hit with a stun spell, though. I forgot to post the effects in the spoiler box, so here they are:
1. The stunned character cannot attack anyone for the first turn he is stunned (or until the stun wears off, if that is faster); after the first turn, he is at a -4 to hit until the stun wears off.
2. He moves at one-third the normal movement rate for whatever speed he is attempting.
3. He suffers a -4 penalty to all his saving throws.
4. He suffers a +4 penalty to his armor class (thus an AC 5 becomes a 9).
5. He cannot concentrate, cast spells, or use magical items.
6. He cannot use general skills.
7. Any weapon mastery the character possesses above Basic level is reduced to Basic level.

Kish
2016-01-19, 05:29 PM
So Aditi shakes off the confusion, but is no-save stunned and thus cannot attack anyway.

Matthew
2016-01-19, 08:01 PM
So ... good news and bad news. Nathros rolled a 20 to hit, failed his saving throw versus confusion, but his confused action is to attack the enemy.

Koren n'Rhys
2016-01-20, 11:33 AM
That could have been much worse Matthew. And YAY for Mycah - finally a hit with another Nat 20!

Frivolous
2016-01-20, 12:48 PM
Roland, Bran failed to resist confusion this round. What is the effect, please? Do you want me to roll, or shall you roll for me?

I seem to remember seeing a list or something of the possible effects, but I can't see it now.

Though of course I could just check the Expert handbook I have. But I'm not sure if I should roll for Bran anyway.

Kish
2016-01-20, 01:13 PM
Aditi, Brandon, and Nathros roll a save vs. spells or be confused. (You can also roll for the effect, if you fail. 1-4 attack for; 5-8 do nothing; 9-12 attack ally.)..........

Frivolous
2016-01-20, 03:06 PM
Oh, there it is. Thanks, Kish. Funny that my searches didn't find that.

[roll0]

Koren n'Rhys
2016-01-20, 03:37 PM
It was hidden in a spoiler block - must be the search function won't see it there.

Gwendol
2016-01-21, 05:39 AM
Still around... somewhere above you.

Frivolous
2016-01-29, 12:15 PM
Sigh. I'm guessing we roll a different effect each round we're Confused?

Confusion: [roll0]

Oh, crap.

How do we decide which ally to attack?

Roland St. Jude
2016-01-29, 04:09 PM
Sigh. I'm guessing we roll a different effect each round we're Confused?[quote]Yes. But you also get a new save each round, so do that, too.
[quote]Confusion: [roll0]
How do we decide which ally to attack?The nearest one you can see/hear/are aware of. For Brandon, that is probably Ash.

Frivolous
2016-01-29, 04:27 PM
Drat. Okay, here goes.

Oh good, a miss. :smallsmile:

Nevaera
2016-01-30, 10:45 AM
Yes, Ash is hard to hit. ^_^ Yay! You keep on attacking her when confused and we are all good. :P If you all end up doing that (unlikely) I'll keep firing my arrows and pick at her if I can shoot into her area... wish Ash could see her better. XP

Gwendol
2016-02-04, 02:54 AM
Don't dwarves have infravision in this edition? If so that should work in the darkness, no?

Frivolous
2016-02-04, 04:37 AM
Roland: What actions can be done in this situation? Does Bran still need to save vs Spell for the confusion?

Koren n'Rhys
2016-02-04, 09:36 AM
Damn - did that really just happen? Successful hear noise roll, natural 20 to hit and max damage, potentially doubled? I'm in shock... :smallcool:

Kish
2016-02-04, 09:49 AM
Don't dwarves have infravision in this edition? If so that should work in the darkness, no?
Not in magical darkness.

Roland St. Jude
2016-02-04, 02:18 PM
Roland: What actions can be done in this situation? Does Bran still need to save vs Spell for the confusion?No. Everyone has moved out of the area of that spell.
Not in magical darkness.Indeed.

Frivolous
2016-02-04, 02:42 PM
Roland: Thanks.

Just to be clear: The Daughter hasn't attacked in melee at all, has she? Every thing she has done has been magical or a spell, yes?

Roland St. Jude
2016-02-04, 04:29 PM
Roland: Thanks.

Just to be clear: The Daughter hasn't attacked in melee at all, has she? Every thing she has done has been magical or a spell, yes?I am away from my notes right now, but iirc from last night, that is correct.

Gwendol
2016-02-05, 04:30 AM
Not in magical darkness.

Are you sure? I quote from the reversible "Light" spell description:


When reversed, this spell, darkness, creates a
circle of darkness 30' in diameter. It will block all
sight except infravision.

Gwendol
2016-02-05, 04:31 AM
No. Everyone has moved out of the area of that spell.

Has all left the vicinity of the daughter?

Frivolous
2016-02-05, 11:24 AM
I am away from my notes right now, but iirc from last night, that is correct.

Makes me think the Daughter may not have any kind of melee attack at all. She carries no weapon, right?

Gwendol
2016-02-10, 02:24 AM
Regarding my post above: does infravision work in the darkness or not?

Also, how large is the darkened area? Is the voice of the Daughter enough for Athos to target a web spell?

Roland St. Jude
2016-02-10, 10:28 AM
Regarding my post above: does infravision work in the darkness or not? Also, how large is the darkened area? This is continual darkness. Per description including size. Most of the globe is in the room.

Is the voice of the Daughter enough for Athos to target a web spell?One could target where her voice was last heard, but she's gone silent by the time it's the PC's action.

Frivolous
2016-02-10, 11:58 AM
Regarding my post above: does infravision work in the darkness or not?

Also, how large is the darkened area? Is the voice of the Daughter enough for Athos to target a web spell?

I don't think Web will work on someone who is part-spider.

Gwendol
2016-02-11, 02:27 AM
I don't think Web will work on someone who is part-spider.

Deeper darkness: yeah, that's a whole other ballgame.

Good call on the web spell, wand of paralysis it is then.


I have to wonder how the Daughter can see in the darkness? Blindsight? Tremorsense?

Koren n'Rhys
2016-02-19, 05:09 PM
Well crap. Hopefully the shield does something useful...

FYI, I am jetting off to sunny Florida for a week away. I'll have my phone but likely be mostly unplugged for the week. Back to the real world on Monday 2/29.

See ya!

Frivolous
2016-02-20, 01:17 AM
Koren: Have a good trip!

FYI, Mycah, Nathros and Murray still need to save vs wands.

Koren n'Rhys
2016-02-20, 08:52 AM
Oops - missed that somehow.
Save vs Wands (12): [roll0]

Success! - No need to change my post then...

Roland St. Jude
2016-02-27, 02:48 AM
So, I think the time has come to let this game end. It's been a good game in some ways and probably not quite what we intended in other ways. I feel like we've lost the energy and impetus here, and that we're probably not going to get it back. Thoughts?

Frivolous
2016-02-27, 11:49 AM
Yeah, we've lost most of the energy. If you don't think it's worth continuing, Roland, I don't mind it ending.

If you want to run another game, please let me know. Though it might not be good for me to start anything new until July.

Nevaera
2016-02-27, 12:00 PM
I think there just needs to be more frequent posting, but combat doesn't usually allow more than one post between your posts (one for our actions and one for our words, if they are done separately). Often, I feel I must wait to see how someone's actions are unfolding before I can contribute - and the distance between beginnings and ends of a round of combat make it difficult to keep track of what's going on (like I forget what was going on half an In Game hour ago because it's been over a month).
At the moment, Ash is limited as a warrior without a shield or the ability to melee or see. Without a light spell or something, it just depends on what the spider chick does next and if the portal holds.

But perhaps we can finish up here at the temple, hopefully victoriously, then narrate/gloss most of the journey back but for a fight we see coming or something... then be back in Threshold. There's lots of things we can do there and only one thing we can do here - try to stop the spider'pocalypse. XP

I recommend we don't delay GM posts longer than 48hrs from the beginning of a combat round post, before the next combat round is announced. That should be enough time usually, right?
Now, if someone's away on holidays or something, we can try to make due or wait a couple days if it's a short vacation - that kind of thing.

Well, that's my bit for now.
We have potential, it's just not moving fast enough. :/

Kish
2016-02-27, 01:52 PM
I haven't been part of this game very long, so I have little to compare the current state to. If it's going on, I still have interest; if it's not fun for the DM, though, well, then it isn't.

Nevaera
2016-02-27, 05:24 PM
I agree with that as well.

Koren n'Rhys
2016-02-27, 05:30 PM
Hey guys & gals,
I suppose I have to agree, we certainly have slowed down to a crawl. It seems to me it's due to the combat heavy scenario we've gotten into, but I expect it's bit of burnout as well. If the game continues, I'll keep on as well, but in the end it's on Roland to decide. If the work of DMing isn't fun for him any longer then it's time to call it.

Nevaera
2016-02-27, 09:31 PM
Yes to that as well. ^_^

Matthew
2016-02-29, 10:27 AM
The game seems so slow these days that in all honesty I forget about it, and there seem to be no updates being e-mailed to me when this sort of pause occurs. Kind of frustrating. Life is so busy for me at the moment that I find it difficult to follow up when this happens.

Roland St. Jude
2016-02-29, 07:05 PM
...But perhaps we can finish up here at the temple, hopefully victoriously, then narrate/gloss most of the journey back but for a fight we see coming or something... then be back in Threshold. There's lots of things we can do there and only one thing we can do here - try to stop the spider'pocalypse. XP...I'm inclined to let you finish up here, loot the room, and narrate the trip back to civilization. Then we can reassess. Maybe a hiatus is a good idea.

Frivolous
2016-03-01, 12:37 AM
This is a reminder to self to post later in IC thread.

Also: I've never used the email method for any online game. Does it actually work reliably?

I just check my subscribed games every 24-48 hours or so, usually more often.

Koren n'Rhys
2016-03-01, 08:46 AM
I use it and it seems to work fine if I don't mess it up. Subscribe to a thread under "Thread Tools", I use the instant notification option. Where I get into trouble is seeing it on my phone. I occasionally see the email and read the post there, but not actually click through to the forums, and then delete the email. When I do that, I won't get any additional notifications. The software must only send one email per thread letting you know someone posted. If you don't log onto the forum, there will be no follow-up emails. If I then move on with my life and forget to go to the forum for a few days I've often missed a number of posts adn fallen behind. Or at least I did when we were more active...

Nevaera
2016-03-01, 09:12 AM
I'm inclined to let you finish up here, loot the room, and narrate the trip back to civilization. Then we can reassess. Maybe a hiatus is a good idea.
:smallbiggrin: Yay!

Gwendol
2016-03-02, 04:56 AM
I wouldn't mind picking up a new adventure. Athos has been a bit of a challenge to play, with very limited spellcasting and even worse stamina. Still, I enjoy it.

In any case I'm off skiing over the weekend starting tomorrow, which will impact posting over the next few days. After that I'm off on a 2-weeks business trip starting Monday. I expect to post normally then, but there can be the odd delay as I have some fairly long flights to make.

Matthew
2016-03-02, 05:03 AM
Let us push on, then! Down with the spiders! :smallbiggrin:

Frivolous
2016-03-06, 12:34 PM
Another doldrums. :smallsigh:

Matthew
2016-03-06, 11:08 PM
So it would seem. :smallfrown:

Frivolous
2016-03-07, 12:29 PM
Roland, anything on Ederick's body, that Bran cut down and searched?

He'll also search the hands, just in case he was wearing any rings.

Roland St. Jude
2016-03-09, 01:15 AM
I'll get something up at some point. I'm traveling through Sunday, though.

Frivolous
2016-03-09, 12:48 PM
I'll get something up at some point. I'm traveling through Sunday, though.

No problem. Just trying to avoid redundancy, since Bran is already checking Ederick's body.

Nevaera
2016-03-16, 04:17 PM
Hoo! Temporarily, my PC fell apart, but I've restored it and all is well (it was a software graphics card issue since I was trying to upgrade my card and the new one needed an update prior to installation).

Anyways, I'll try to catch up on IC within 24hrs and post something. ^_^

Hope everyone is doing well!

Frivolous
2016-03-17, 01:38 AM
Roland: Pardon what may be a stupid question, but would you consider the adventure 'wrapped up' if we leave the Shield of Petra behind?

Roland St. Jude
2016-03-17, 12:33 PM
Roland: Pardon what may be a stupid question, but would you consider the adventure 'wrapped up' if we leave the Shield of Petra behind?Yes. If the party removes it, some inter-planar horror is going to spill through every ten rounds. (The evil priest vigil was not to keep the portal open but to keep the other end moving, scanning the multiverse for some particular plane or being. Without them, it just stays open, the other end moves about randomly, and things have time to come through.) There were other possible resolutions where the party might have been able to leave with the Shield, but at this point, the party is kind of stuck with the Shield back where it started, as a seal. It might be a long term goal of the group to find some way to destroy it, so that they can return to claim the Shield, fight whatever is on the cusp of popping out, and then destroy the portal. But right now, that's far beyond the group's means.

The party came here to stop Ederick from whatever evil plans he had. That seems to have been accomplished. OOC: following the Daughter will prove fruitless. So, as one might expect, this adventure ends with the party having achieved its main goal, eliminated all these evil-doers and stopped whatever their plan was that Ederick awakened, but having loosed a new problem - one that can't immediately be resolved.

Frivolous
2016-03-17, 01:30 PM
Oh, okay. Interesting. I wasn't expecting such an ambiguous ending for D&D.

Nevaera
2016-03-17, 02:55 PM
I've gotten used to those over the past 14 or so years. :smalltongue:

Koren n'Rhys
2016-03-17, 02:58 PM
From Mycah's POV, we've killed Ederick, chased off the Daughter (foiling her plans for now and leaving her to be dealt with at a later time), and stopped the corruption of the surrounding lands as far as he could tell. So I think he'd be satisfied with their level of success.

Nevaera
2016-03-17, 07:45 PM
Yeah, Ash would definitely wish to return or send adventurers again someday with a powerful artifact that could destroy the portal (ideally before removing the seal), but for now this seems adequate.

Matthew
2016-03-17, 09:28 PM
This is a reasonably typical resolution for "old school" D&D, for sure. I would certainly count this as a win.

Roland St. Jude
2016-03-17, 11:26 PM
This is a reasonably typical resolution for "old school" D&D, for sure. I would certainly count this as a win.My thoughts exactly. Immediate evil plot thwarted, many evil beings killed, apocalypse avoided, and minimal hero deaths. Oh, and lots of loot acquired. :smallwink:

Nevaera
2016-03-18, 12:03 AM
A loose thread or two with the majority of the garment in tact. And, oh look! Treasure! Yeah, totally a win. ^_^

Frivolous
2016-03-18, 01:33 AM
This is a reasonably typical resolution for "old school" D&D, for sure. I would certainly count this as a win.

I'm not young, but apparently my exposure to old school D&D is much less than I thought.

Matthew
2016-03-18, 02:37 AM
Well, that is why I put "old school" in quotation marks, because it is not a matter of when you started playing, rather it is a particular style of play. Although it was initially quite popular (and perhaps even dominant at TSR) "old school" declined over the years until around ten years ago when it experienced a resurgence (often referred to as the OSR) via the internet on the back of some of the third party nostalgia companies (Necromancer Games, Goodman Games and Kenzer & Company in particular), reappearance of Gary Gygax, and recreation of the TSR rule sets via the OGL and D20 SRD. There are also multiple competing definitions so that even when the term is invoked it can mean different things to different people.

For me, some of the key concepts are:


A swords & sorcery pulp vibe [e.g. monsters are monsters]
De-emphasis on what the character can do as opposed to the player
Sand box play with localised consequences [i.e. not save the kingdom/world/universe]
Lowish power curve (it is a long hard road to level nine)
Frequent risk of failure or pyrrhic victories

There are all sorts of counterarguments and disagreements about what makes for "old school" play, whether D&D is even really suited to it, or if it was always a bad fit. A lot of it comes down to recognising your preferences and adjusting your expectations to suit the game and the group (as well as the medium of play).

Koren n'Rhys
2016-03-18, 08:18 AM
Interesting bullet points, Matthew. I think that's pretty accurate from my POV as well.

Monsters are monsters for sure - not a fan of Dragonborn and Tieflings and the various monstrous player races nowadays. I think it blurs the lines between the "good guys" and "bad guys".

Player agency over skills on the character sheet - I prefer a much more loose approach to what a PC should be able to try. Even RC which we used here goes too far IMO, with all the skills and weapons mastery minutiae. That said, I find this applies more to a fantasy game. A more modern/sci fi game, even built on the Basic D&D chassis seems to need more defined skills - ala Traveller or Stars Without Number.

Sandboxy/local focus - I think so. Here, we've traveled from our home town, but following a lead generated there, solved the problem and got some loot. At the same time, the BBEG got away, leaving something to follow up on when we're a higher level if we want to. Or another group of adventurers may do so in the gameworld. Adventures aren't so cut and dry as modern one's seem to be, nor as "save the world" epic.

It's been fun, if slow and steady.

Gwendol
2016-03-18, 08:56 AM
As stated above: fun but also challenging, and very old school (meaning having access to a very limited number of spells / day, and no "at will powers").

Frivolous
2016-03-18, 09:31 AM
I don't remember old school ever having unavoidable partial or Pyrrhic victories. Oh well.

Matthew
2016-03-18, 09:39 AM
It is not unavoidable, it is a significant risk. Hard to say what you are remembering, though, as I outlined above "old school" is a sensibility rather than "how things were" in a given period of time.

Frivolous
2016-03-18, 10:02 AM
I remember experiencing the sword & sorcery and low power aspects fairly often.

Also the try-anything, mostly because there were so few rules try-anything was necessary if one was allowed to be creative at all. And I do tend to be creative.

Nevaera
2016-03-20, 12:26 PM
Should we all keep narrating our return to the surface perhaps?
Roland can always interject if there's something worth noting.

Matthew
2016-03-20, 10:09 PM
I think that unless there are dangers to be navigated we should maybe cut to exiting the dungeon.

Roland St. Jude
2016-03-20, 11:17 PM
Feel free to narrate in response to each DM post. I'll move us a long in greater chunks with each DM post.

Koren n'Rhys
2016-03-23, 01:19 PM
Headed out of town tomorrow (Thursday morning) for the holiday weekend. Haven't seen my daughter since she went back to school in early January. I'll have my phone but am unlikely to post, just follow along if anyone posts.

Frivolous
2016-03-23, 01:33 PM
Have a safe trip and good visit with your daughter, Koren.

Nevaera
2016-03-25, 10:34 AM
I have to remember to note that last bit of loot on my OOC sheet for the bag of holding... If I don't do it by the end of the weekend, perhaps someone can remind me. ^_^ It's super exciting to get treasure. :D

Edit: And done! :D

Roland St. Jude
2016-04-12, 02:09 AM
Frivolous, you're not quite home yet. Verge was your jumping off point into the wilderness. But the party is from Threshold. :smallwink:

Frivolous
2016-04-13, 12:31 AM
Thanks. I'd forgotten that. It's been so long since I heard of Verge.

Mostly I just deleted the second paragraph.

Roland St. Jude
2016-04-17, 10:21 PM
The following treasures can be identified or appraised either on the way to Threshold or shortly after arrival (by experts or high-level magic users where necessary):

Unorganized:
Sash with Gold Buckle (3000 gp)
a large sack at his waist with 100 gold pieces
a ruby (5000 gp)
a diamond (10,000 gp)
a potion engraved with the Traladaran symbol for "forever" (potion of longevity)
and a dozen arrows bound with a leather cord (12 +2 arrows)

Dark priest's mail armor (normal chainmail)
A fine steel shield (elven shield +2)
a well-balanced spear (Mycah carries this) (spear +2)
a sack (a sack but it contains a balled up elven chain +4 invisibility)

A shield (normal shield)
thin dagger (normal dagger)
small sack (normal sack)
A small coin pouch tied to his belt contains a three gems:
green (10,000 gp emerald)
orange (5000 gp jacinth)
black (600 gp onyx)
Dark Priest's wand-stick OF HEALING (Penny carries this) (Staff of Healing)
a fair number of scattered copper pieces
and a pair of blue sapphires

Of the five swords (one of which is very fine), (4 normal swords; 1 sword +2)
five spears (4normal spears; 1 returning spear +1)
five daggers (5 normal daggers),
five spider symbols (4 20 gp value as art amulets; 1 made of platinum has a 3000 gp value)
four chain mail suits,
one suit of leather armor (Leather +1)
one potion (Potion of Sight)
one wand (Wand of Illusion - 4 charges)
one small spider brooch (Scarab of protection)
Cubic wooden box about a half-foot wide (Athos and Mycah working on inspecting) (Pocket Wheel of Fortune, a magical game of chance)

From end of Temple: The dead clerics have a relative treasure trove amongst them:
four potions (Sight, Flying, Gaseous Form, Bug Repellent)
four scrolls (Two maps, protection from lycanthropes, protection from magic)
two wands (Fireballs - 15 charges; metal detection - 13 charges)
a mace (Mace +1)
a warhammer (warhammer +1)
two shields (two shield +1s)

One is also wearing banded mail under his robes. (Banded Mail +4)
An egg which is a bit heavier and sturdier than an actual chicken egg. (Egg of Wonder)
A leather pouch holds a dozen red gems (12 100 gp garnets)
Three potions (3 potions of unholy water)
a scroll labelled "protection from elementals," (as labeled)
Ancient looking spear (Spear +2 Watching)

Weapons:
Axe from Minotaur (Large normal axe)

Frivolous
2016-04-17, 11:31 PM
Wow, nice.

Roland St. Jude
2016-04-17, 11:43 PM
Also 13,000 XP/character. Feel free to level up your characters, if applicable.

Frivolous
2016-04-18, 12:02 AM
I'm personally more concerned as to whether we continue the game at all. :smallsmile:

I guess now is the time we reassess.

Nevaera
2016-04-18, 04:02 PM
WOW! Thanks Roland!!! That was something I wasn't super looking forward to working on. :smallbiggrin:
Now I just have to divide stuff evenly and all that. :smalleek:

I hope we could keep continuing this all, personally, but I like when we stay in the Threshold neighborhood most, I think. :smallsmile:
But it's been years, really, so it makes sense if it has to stop eventually. :smallfrown:

---

Oh, hey - anyone who wants to "dibs" anything specific from the loot for their character, please make a post with your character name at the top and include each item you're interested in, in order from most interested to least and one item for each line. I'll assess these before completely dividing the treasure and let you make rolls to see who gets it at the end of the week if there is no other way to fairly divide the items in question. I'll try to have it all done by the end of next weekend, provided I'm not too worn out from GMing and other responsibilities this week.

Keep in mind there is other loot beyond what is in Roland's post - it's all on my character sheet as group loot type stuff including what Roland has posted, but it's not all identified on my sheet yet is all (some of it is).

Gwendol
2016-04-19, 02:13 AM
XP! Un...limited...powah!!!!!

Or at least gaining another level or so... :smallbiggrin:

Gwendol
2016-04-19, 02:20 AM
Wow, I hit level five... which means ability to cast a level three spell!

Also, I get to earn hitpoints (can I lose hitpoints on a level up?)

1d4/level: [roll0]

Gwendol
2016-04-19, 03:15 AM
Level up done except for spells (I should get one more level two spell at level four).

As for loot. If I can have the scrolls please?
Protection from elementals
Protection from Lycanthropes
Protection from magic

What is an elven chain mail? Does it allow casting in it?

The wands:
Wand of illusion (4 chrg)
Wand of fireballs (15 chrg)
Wand of metal detection (13 crg)

I don't need all, but I'm not sure who else can use them?

My share of the gold, obviously as I will require some to fill up my spell book. Can I copy spells from Neela, and if so which ones? Invisibility is high on my wish list.

Kish
2016-04-19, 08:06 AM
But whatever the adjustments, your hit points cannot be lowered to 0 (zero); you will have at least 1 hit point for each roll. So that'll be +2 hit points for Athos.

Aditi reaches level 5 as well. The only loot listed there that she has a specific use for is the arrows.

Question: What happens to any magic items no one claims (i.e., is there anywhere we can sell them, and if we do have we heard of anywhere in this world we can buy magic items)?

New hit points: [roll0]

Incidentally, Roland, your link to my character sheet in the starting post of this thread goes to Brandon's. This (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showsinglepost.php?p=18059640&postcount=7) is Aditi's (level 5, equipment/money not yet updated) character sheet.

Nevaera
2016-04-19, 09:12 AM
I expect the scrolls would be divided evenly-ish between the casters and that there would be encouragement for them to share spells from their books (two scrolls to Athos, one to Neela, then Neela could trade the spell she'd scribed from her scroll and her invis. spell for the two Athos had scribed from his scrolls). Then the wands would belong to the party, but be carried by Neela and Athos (their choice of which wands best suited them) so long as they remain in Threshold and consider themselves part of Bost's Rangers.

Koren n'Rhys
2016-04-19, 09:20 AM
Mycah

Damn, that's quite the haul. I'll look over the list and update this post with any items Mycah would want and can use. Limited as a thief.

The extra 13K XP (+5%) bumps him to just over 30K, so 6th level. I'll work on updating my char sheet.
HP: [roll0] (It was a 2, in case editing screws up the roll)

OK - I also get a weapon mastery slot. Though about taking basic with the spear, but since unskilled has no attack penalty, and the half damage is offset by it's magic, I think I'll go with improving with short bow instead (to Skilled). That's some training and a roll, right Roland?

Of course, someone else may want the spear anyway, so this makes more sense.
As of now, Mycah is carrying the Spear +2. There is also a Spear +2, Watching and Spear +1, Returning. Have to look those up, but someone should use them, somehow.
He'd want the dozen Arrows +2 and would look longingly at the Elven Chain +4 with invisibility. Damn. Anyway to work out him being able to use that Roland?
There is also the Leather +1, but Aditi should take that since Mycah has his custom leather armor which is already +1 (non magical)

Kish
2016-04-19, 09:24 AM
Scrolls that aren't spell scrolls have no particular affinity for casters; the one requirement to use them is being able to read Common. In fact, with no offense intended to Athos and his extremely tiny number of hit points, it might make more sense to locate them on someone who's as durable as possible.

Can magic-users share spellbooks? I remember something about that being a big no-no earlier.

Aditi will certainly take the magic leather armor!

Nevaera
2016-04-19, 02:55 PM
Our other caster once learned ESP from the mage lady of Threshold (major memory flop on names - even forgot the cool tavern name) so it's not a problem to learn spells from other people's spell books.

There were two limitations on getting spells from other people's spell books.
Problem #1 is whether the mage is willing to share/trade (their rare spells help make them valuable as casters). However, if you have more spells in your book because you were willing to trade with someone, then that's still a gain if the spell was worth it to you or the other caster was your ally anyways.
The other issue was how long it takes to transcribe - which is around a week minimum, I believe.

Matthew
2016-04-20, 07:38 AM
New Hit Die: [roll0]

Sucks! Oh well, only 5,000 experience points to level 6 and another shot at beating the average (now 22, I need to roll an 8 to even begin to catch up!). :smallbiggrin:

Gwendol
2016-04-20, 09:29 AM
Correct, it was the time it take to transcribe the spells that was the limiting factor while on the adventure. Once in Threshold I assume we will have that time.

Athos now has five hitpoints, so he's getting a bit more rugged... ;-)

No objection to the sharing of the scrolls and wands. I'll leave that to the DM (although the scrolls will cease to function after being transcribed IIRC).

Kish
2016-04-20, 12:18 PM
Am I missing something on Roland's list, or is the discussion of transcribing spell scrolls about something from a different list?

Roland St. Jude
2016-04-20, 03:58 PM
I'm personally more concerned as to whether we continue the game at all. :smallsmile:

I guess now is the time we reassess.Might as well level up and get the characters right so that if we take a break and come back to it, everything will be ready to roll.

Oh, hey - anyone who wants to "dibs" anything specific from the loot for their character, please make a post with your character name at the top and include each item you're interested in, in order from most interested to least and one item for each line. I'll assess these before completely dividing the treasure and let you make rolls to see who gets it at the end of the week if there is no other way to fairly divide the items in question. I'll try to have it all done by the end of next weekend, provided I'm not too worn out from GMing and other responsibilities this week.I'll see about putting in requests from the NPCs.

Keep in mind there is other loot beyond what is in Roland's post - it's all on my character sheet as group loot type stuff including what Roland has posted, but it's not all identified on my sheet yet is all (some of it is).I'll take a look at that too, to see whether there anything else you can have identified.

Basically, when you're rich and locally famous, it's easier to get he local mages to identify things for you. They might have certain demands of magic or coin, but we can work that out, too.

What is an elven chain mail? Does it allow casting in it?Mycah had to pass on a set back when the Caravan was in Threshold. This one, like that one, is an elf-only item.


The wands:
Wand of illusion (4 chrg)
Wand of fireballs (15 chrg)
Wand of metal detection (13 crg)

I don't need all, but I'm not sure who else can use them?Neela, though she may want other items, I haven't really looked yet.

My share of the gold, obviously as I will require some to fill up my spell book. Can I copy spells from Neela, and if so which ones? Invisibility is high on my wish list.Maybe. As previously discussed, it's taboo and she has certain reservations.

Question: What happens to any magic items no one claims (i.e., is there anywhere we can sell them, and if we do have we heard of anywhere in this world we can buy magic items)?The party has found a shopkeeper (Montague Summers) who sells some magic items, mostly potions and jewelry and things, and a private owner with one or more magic weapons to sell (Councilman Andre Andrev). The Caravan also had some magical items for sale. There isn't a magic store per se, but it's possible to buy and sell magical items. They just tend to be individual custom transactions.

MycahThat's some training and a roll, right Roland?Yes. Training requires a teacher, time, and money. Then a roll to see if it "takes."

would look longingly at the Elven Chain +4 with invisibility. Damn. Anyway to work out him being able to use that Roland?As with the set he found at the Caravan shop, it would have to be refitted by elves. Which would be an interesting quest and something he might be more in a position to do now (or soon) than he was back then.

Scrolls that aren't spell scrolls have no particular affinity for casters; the one requirement to use them is being able to read Common.Protection scrolls can be read by anyone who can read the language they are written in. Other scrolls, including spell scrolls, are more limited.

Can magic-users share spellbooks? I remember something about that being a big no-no earlier.It's a taboo and depending on how a magic-user got their original spells, they might be forbidden to share by their master, magical order, etc. Neela explained that she was prohibited from sharing but under the dire circumstances of the party mid-adventure she was more willing to break that rule, but then time didn't allow it.

Am I missing something on Roland's list, or is the discussion of transcribing spell scrolls about something from a different list?It seems to be a divergence.

Kish
2016-04-20, 04:05 PM
Yeah, if there's unclarity here: "Protection from lycanthropes," "Protection from elementals," and "Protection from magic" are not spells. One of us who can read Common reads them, the scroll disappears, we get protected for the scroll's duration; they don't somehow get added to a spellbook.

Frivolous
2016-04-20, 04:10 PM
Hmm, I'll post changes to Bran day after tomorrow, when I have my rest day.

Roland St. Jude
2016-04-21, 01:18 AM
Penny expresses interest in:
1) keeping the staff of healing
2) banded mail +4
3) mace +1

She will also suggest the party give the unholy water and spider symbol amulets over to the Church for destruction and safekeeping, respectfully.

Neela will ask for:
1) the potion of longevity
2) the pocket wheel of fortune

She will also ask for the sash with gold buckle, one spider amulet, and the dark priest's armor as part of her mundane share.

Frivolous
2016-04-21, 01:23 AM
It looks like Bran will not get enough XP to rise to 6th level.

Have we settled accounts yet with Neela for the loan of money to pay for the Remove Curse spell?

Gwendol
2016-04-21, 01:38 AM
Yeah, if there's unclarity here: "Protection from lycanthropes," "Protection from elementals," and "Protection from magic" are not spells. One of us who can read Common reads them, the scroll disappears, we get protected for the scroll's duration; they don't somehow get added to a spellbook.

Ah, finally got it. Yeah, I was under the (false) impression those were spell scrolls.

Also, Roland, I haven't got an answer regarding my 2nd level spell gained at level 4. Can I pick one freely or do you want to hand me one (via Lorentus the Brown, presumably)?

Frivolous
2016-04-21, 12:10 PM
Bran wants the sword +2, since he's the only one who doesn't have a magic weapon yet besides his puny dagger+1.

I am trying to figure out how best to deploy the scroll of Protection from Magic.


Roland, could you please enlighten us as to what the following magic items do or what they are good for?

1. Potion of Sight.
2. Egg of Wonder.
3. Pocket Wheel of Fortune.
4. Spear +2, Watching.

Koren n'Rhys
2016-04-21, 01:57 PM
If we ever reboot this after some time away, Mycah may indeed be interested in that quest to find an elven craftsman capable of reworking that armor to fit him. Perhaps our fame and fortune will count for something and he'd be successful in the end.

Gwendol
2016-04-22, 06:43 AM
The egg of wonder is a one time use item: throw it on the ground and it cracks leaving a randomly determined creature at the users disposal for one hour or until slain.

Nevaera
2016-04-22, 08:49 AM
Have we settled accounts yet with Neela for the loan of money to pay for the Remove Curse spell?
Not yet.
I have a lot of work ahead of me this month and I had hoped to address the party's finances and loot distribution over the weekend or at least early next week at the latest. I do however have intentions of GMing again this weekend (for many hours) so that will more than likely take it's toll. Other than RL getting in the way though, I'm kind of looking forward to it now. Organizing stuff like this is one of my random skills. I used to rejig the schedule to suit everyone better at my old job and they called it "Schedule-Fu" since I was messing around with it so much, but it always came out way better. :smalltongue: Now I just have to make sure I don't miscalculate a coin translation or something. :smallwink:

Roland St. Jude
2016-04-22, 04:39 PM
Also, Roland, I haven't got an answer regarding my 2nd level spell gained at level 4. Can I pick one freely or do you want to hand me one (via Lorentus the Brown, presumably)?You can choose. We'll say you get it from Lorentus before you leave Verge. If it matters for your selection, Neela is unlikely to agree to share spells. Now that she's back in civilization and not in duress, the penalties for obeying her orders seem more onerous.

Roland, could you please enlighten us as to what the following magic items do or what they are good for?
1. Potion of Sight.
2. Egg of Wonder.
3. Pocket Wheel of Fortune.
4. Spear +2, Watching.
1. Improves ones sight, possibly allowing seeing invisible things; also cures most blindnesses.
2. As noted above. The creature usually follows the breaker's verbal commands.
3. It's a game of chance with various magical outcomes. Some positive and some negative.
4. Once per day, the spear can be commanded to be on watch for a certain type or race. It will vibrate when such a being comes within 60'

Frivolous
2016-04-24, 04:11 PM
Thanks, Roland.

No objections to Bran getting the sword +2, then?

There are a lot of magic weapons no one seems able to need or use, and shields as well. I guess those can be sold or traded away for.

And a huge number of jewels and coin, too. No idea how to divide those.


Roland, questions: What again did Bran get as a result of reaching level 5? A new language, right? Or was it a new non-weapon proficiency, or weapon proficiency?

I think one of the things the party has been lacking has been languages. Have there been any weapons or proficiencies we've been missing?

Kish
2016-04-24, 05:23 PM
No objections here. He can certainly use it better than Aditi can.

Roland St. Jude
2016-04-24, 07:35 PM
Roland, questions: What again did Bran get as a result of reaching level 5? A new language, right? Or was it a new non-weapon proficiency, or weapon proficiency?Characters get new weapon proficiency (called "choices" in this edition) at level 6 (and again at 9 and 11).

Skill slot acquisitions for PCs are a new slot at level 5, 9, etc. So Bran does get a new skill slot. He can apply it to an existing skill for a +1 on skill rolls or choose a new one. Or he could spend on a new skill. Or he could spend it on a new language, but that'll have to be roleplayed in, be a sensible language for the circumstances, and, per the rules, it doesn't mean he speaks it very well. In modern terms, its probably more basic conversational rather than proficient or fluent.

I think one of the things the party has been lacking has been languages. Have there been any weapons or proficiencies we've been missing?Not that I know of. It seems like everyone has taken things when appropriate. There isn't much new skill-wise that happens level to level. More like every few levels.

Gwendol
2016-04-25, 01:22 AM
In that case I will ask Lorentus for the invisibility spell. My quest henceforth will be to find a third level spell, or research one, to put in my book. By the looks of it, I'd really like to find most of them!

Edit: updated my sheet with the spell, and HP.

Nevaera
2016-04-26, 08:50 AM
normal chainmail
normal shield
thin normal dagger
small normal sack
a fair number of scattered copper pieces*
and a pair of blue sapphires*
4 normal swords
4 normal spears
5 normal daggers
4 chain mail suits
Axe from Minotaur (Large normal axe)
These items - can we have them appraised to sell for half value too? Would anyone like to look in "the book" for me so I don't have to? I'm still working on the treasure bit by bit, when I have time and energy to focus. So, I haven't forgotten, everyone. :smalltongue:

The ones with * next to them are a bit vague. That will require assistance from Roland's, I believe.

Roland St. Jude
2016-04-26, 10:46 PM
a fair number of scattered copper pieces*(97 cp)
and a pair of blue sapphires*(5000 gp each)

Nevaera
2016-04-27, 04:52 PM
Awesome.

Okay, here's a couple things I might be able to give out as loot pay so long as our shares are high enough and since we might not be able to sell all the high end value items.

If you're interested, type just the loot item (i.e. Blue Sapphire) and then your character name after, for simplicities sake.
Thanks. :smallsmile:

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2x Blue Sapphires (5000 gp ea. = 10,000 gp)
Emerald (10,000 gp)
Jacinth (5000 gp)
Spider symbol made of platinum (3000 gp)
Sash with Gold Buckle (3000 gp)
Ruby (5000 gp)
Diamond (10,000 gp)
12x Garnets (12 x 100 gp = 1200gp)

gold ring with a large onyx gemstone (locked at Lord Bost's)
delicate lady’s ring gold clear stone (locked at Lord Bost's - worth 1500-3000g as a pair)

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EDIT #1: Oh, also I don't think we got this one's value identified...
"Silver and Gold Bracelet (from paralyzed orc at crater - Aditi wears it as Brandon gave it to her to hold onto)"
I suppose we'll need to go out and appraise it. We'll also need to get a rate for the mundane armours and weapons, unless there are those among the party who wish to own and use them instead (if so, they'd be distributed as Gifts from Bost's Rangers just like excess magic items like magic daggers and such).

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EDIT #2: Oh, just remembered... I think the two rings were intended as Party Loot to be sold at a later date, so they won't be calculated into the new total, I guess.

Frivolous
2016-04-28, 12:23 AM
Bran will probably donate 30% of any non-magical loot to the temple of Petra, 30% as gifts to assorted members of his enormous family, and keep 40% for himself.

Nevaera
2016-04-28, 02:58 PM
Would everyone be in agreement regarding this division of loot?

Ashala = 2 shares.
Brandon = 2 shares.
Nathros = 2 shares.
Mycah = 2 shares.
Aditi = 2 shares.
Athos = 2 shares.
Neela = 2 shares.
Penelope = 2 shares.
Murray = 2 shares.
Brett = 1 share.
Jemaine = 1 share.
Bost's Rangers Reserve = 4 shares.

If I don't hear otherwise, I will divide it as such.

Nevaera
2016-04-28, 04:21 PM
Here's what I got so far - sorry I haven't got to the magic treasure division yet - I felt like a math kind of mood today as I procrastinate. XD

Below is just the calculation on the value of shares (excluding the bracelet's value that Aditi is wearing 'cause I don't know what it's worth). I can't divvy it out IC yet 'cause I don't know how we'll manage to sell all that stuff to turn it into gold pieces - maybe we can do some gem trading or some other kind of fancy exchange with some rich people until we all have some shinies we're happy with. :P
Ashala = 2 shares = 4070 + 206 that was owed = 4276gp
Brandon = 2 shares = 4070gp
Mycah = 2 shares = 4070gp
Nathros = 2 shares = 4070gp
Aditi = 2 shares = 4070gp
Athos = 2 shares = 4070gp
Neela = 2 shares = 4070 + 1200 that was owed = 5270gp.
Penelope = 2 shares = 4070gp
Murray = 2 shares = 4070gp
Brett = 1 share = 2035 + 115 bonus = 2150gp
Jemaine = 1 share = 2035 + 115 bonus = 2150gp

Bost's Rangers Reserve = 4 shares (Owe Neela + Ash. Pays for horse rental, food, supplies, fees etc...).
= 8140 + 80 = 8220gp total.
= 8220 - 230 (115 ea for B & J as a bonus) = 7990gp left.
= 7990 - 1406g (for Ash and Neela) = 6584gp left for party, plus two rings.
= 6584gp + 50gp left for party, plus two rings.
= 6634gp, plus two rings = Party Loot.
48920gp loot so far and divided into shares. (97cp will be added to group-loot/party-funds.)
(still need bracelet value)

48920gp... take away 80gp (to even out share) = 48840gp.
48840gp divided by 24 shares = 2035 each share.

Roland St. Jude
2016-04-29, 12:20 PM
EDIT #1: Oh, also I don't think we got this one's value identified...
"Silver and Gold Bracelet (from paralyzed orc at crater - Aditi wears it as Brandon gave it to her to hold onto)"
I suppose we'll need to go out and appraise it.1000 gp

We'll also need to get a rate for the mundane armours and weapons, unless there are those among the party who wish to own and use them instead (if so, they'd be distributed as Gifts from Bost's Rangers just like excess magic items like magic daggers and such).Let's say you can sell used stuff at half the price listed in the RC.

Nevaera
2016-04-29, 03:06 PM
Awesome, thanks. ^_^

Good, that's what these calculations are based on. :D

Nevaera
2016-04-29, 03:10 PM
Accounting for the bracelet's value gives all another 50g/share, as shown below:
Ashala = 2 shares = 4170 + 206 that was owed = 4376gp
Brandon = 2 shares = 4170gp
Mycah = 2 shares = 4170gp
Nathros = 2 shares = 4170gp
Aditi = 2 shares = 4170gp
Athos = 2 shares = 4170gp
Neela = 2 shares = 4170 + 1200 that was owed = 5370gp.
Penelope = 2 shares = 4170gp
Murray = 2 shares = 4170gp
Brett = 1 share = 2085 + 115 bonus = 2200gp
Jemaine = 1 share = 2085 + 115 bonus = 2200gp

Gwendol
2016-05-04, 03:22 PM
Cool, I'm rich!

Nevaera
2016-05-05, 11:29 PM
I'm sick again. Boss and I used the same phone at work while he was sick, so now I'm all spaced out tired. It'd be pretty simple to sum up the magic items and stuff, but I just don't think I could do it justice right now (might miss something). Sorry guys.

Also, for the IC, maybe you guys could keep posting about stuff you do in town or people your character would want to interact with.
There'd be that memorial thing too (for the priestesses).

Roland St. Jude
2016-05-06, 08:27 PM
Hope you feel better soon!

Frivolous
2016-05-08, 01:59 AM
If 2085 per share, and Bran gets 2 shares, then he donates 800 gp each to his family and to the temple of Petra.

He keeps 2570 for himself.


Roland: Bran will probably spend a lot of time painting the adventure for the edification of those who weren't there, particularly the following:

the wyverns that killed the cleric Miranda
the Serpent Lord
the crater
artwork in the Spider Temple, particularly the murals
the portal
the corpse of Ederick
the Daughter herself as Bran remembers her


I haven't decided yet what his 5th level skill slot will be.

Nevaera
2016-05-08, 01:28 PM
Hope you feel better soon!
Thanks. I'm improving, so that's good. ^_^

Nevaera
2016-05-11, 07:56 PM
MAGIC ITEMS:
Staff of Healing (Penny carries this) - Penny AND Party? *** (Ash thinks it's better served in Penny's hands, but that the group shouldn't ever travel without it - so long as she will always support it's use for the aid of Bost's Rangers if need be, then Ash feels it belongs with Penny and the Temple.)

Arrows (12 x +2 arrows) - MYCAH.

Leather Armor (+1) - ADITI.

Banded Mail (+4) - NATHROS.

Sword (+2) - BRANDON.

A fine steel shield (elven shield +2) - ASH.

a well-balanced spear (Mycah carries this) (spear +2) - MYCAH/ASH? (Or Bost's Rangers and we all just pass it out if it's needed?)

Returning Spear (+1) - ASH/MYCAH? (If Mycah would use it often as his bow, then he should have it. Otherwise, for Ash, it'd be a great alternative to her bow.)**

Ancient looking Spear (+2) Watching - Bost's Rangers OR ASH and MYCAH to share on watch.

Small spider brooch (Scarab of protection) - ATHOS? (might be a good idea for him to have?)

Pocket Wheel of Fortune, a magical game of chance - NEELA (Everyone is fine with that, right?)

Wand of Fireballs (15 charges) - NEELA/ATHOS (I vote this one for Neela and the other two for Athos?)

Wand of Metal Detection (13 charges) - ATHOS/NEELA (Fireballs for Neela, this to Athos?)

Wand of Illusion (4 charges) - ATHOS/NEELA? (this one to Athos, Fireball to Neela?)

Potion of Longevity (engraved with the Traladaran symbol for "forever") - NEELA.

Mace (+1) - PENNY.

Shield (+1) - PENNY?

Potion of Sight - Bost's Rangers.
four potions (Sight[just one - or two total?], Flying, Gaseous Form, Bug Repellent) - Bost's Rangers.
four scrolls (Two maps, protection from lycanthropes, protection from magic) - Bost's Rangers.
Warhammer (+1) - Bost's Rangers (or Murray?)
shield (+1) - Bost's Rangers (or Murray?)
Egg of Wonder - Bost's Rangers.
3 potions of unholy water - Destroy.
a scroll labelled "protection from elementals," (as labeled) - Bost's Rangers.
a sack that contains a balled up Elven Chain (+4) Invisibility. - Bost's Rangers (...until a sneaky elf comes along - we could post that we're looking for a group oriented Elven individual to join Bost's Rangers). I hope I didn't botch this as I copied the items down and moved them about... :smallbiggrin:

Oh and Neela get's the Sash with Gold Buckle (3000g), One Spider Amulet (20g), and the Dark Priest's Chainmail Armor (20g). She'll have 2330gp remaining. ^_^

Kish
2016-05-11, 08:01 PM
Aditi will not contest Mycah's asking for the arrows.

Gwendol
2016-05-20, 01:21 AM
I'm ok with the split. I'll take the wands of metal detection and illusion. And the spider brooch. Very stylish addition to my robes.

Matthew
2016-05-20, 05:03 AM
Maybe I am missing it, but what did Nathros get from the magical items split?

Koren n'Rhys
2016-05-20, 09:59 AM
Ok, so for Mycah:
4170 GP - he'd donate, say, 500GP to the temple. basically stash the rest at his treehouse so as not to be carrying much.
For magic, he can definitely use the arrows, but that's about it. Can't use any of the armor or shields. He could continue to carry the +2 spear for an emergency, but isn't proficient, so if Ash can use them, she or someone else should get their pick.

RE: Nathros - did you claim anything? Quite a bit of armor and weaponry to choose from - not sure what else he can specifically use. Potions? The idea of leaving them are common party items seems best to me.

Frivolous
2016-05-20, 05:32 PM
Maybe I am missing it, but what did Nathros get from the magical items split?

I think you need to ask for something.

We never really got around to dividing up most of the numerous potions, either.

I think Bran would also like a Potion of Sight, but he's not picky; he'd be happy with one or two of the other potions also.

Matthew
2016-05-22, 08:09 AM
Well, the banded mail +4 would not go astray, though I doubt it is sized for Nathros. A magical spear and shield would be worth taking, though his two handed axe +4 makes them second string choices. I am not that fussed, just wondered how the magical treasure was being divided.

Frivolous
2016-05-22, 12:22 PM
Penny already asked for the banded mail +4. Want to contest that request?

Nevaera
2016-05-22, 03:07 PM
Maybe I am missing it, but what did Nathros get from the magical items split?
Yeah, feel free to claim some weapons/gear/something for Nathros out of the remaining loot and we'll make sure it happens. ^_^

Nevaera
2016-05-22, 03:12 PM
Well, the banded mail +4 would not go astray, though I doubt it is sized for Nathros. A magical spear and shield would be worth taking, though his two handed axe +4 makes them second string choices. I am not that fussed, just wondered how the magical treasure was being divided.
Yeah, we'd have to get a dwarven style magic armor, perhaps, but if magic armor is remoldable, then we could see about getting some fitted to Nathros (unfortunately, I highly doubt it's likeliness).
You can certainly have a magic spear and shield - we have lots.
Leftovers just end up staying with the group for whoever needs it during our adventures, so you'd not be missing an opportunity unless someone claims an item and leaves with it or some such. If it's basic magic gear claimed, it stays with you. If it's a magic wand/staff or combat potion, it's more likely to be kept with the group if possible. If it's an item enchanted to ward enemies or guard the party, it makes sense to keep it with the group (ex. spear of watching or whatever it was).