Highest dex CR 2?

[gadren]

Hey everyone, what is the highest dex "monster" of CR 2 or less that you know of from 3.0/3.5/PF that can wield a crossbow?
No, I don't mean LA, only concerned with CR.
Highest I've found thus far is the Petal with 20 dex.

UPDATE: Found out that Coure has a dex of 24 at CR 2.
Okay, without using skeleton chicanery, I was able to come up with a young unseelie fey advanced shadow Coure. It is CR 4, but has a dex of 38 (and the advanced and shadow template could be removed to get a dex of 34 at CR 2). I was hoping you guys could look over it and let me know if I calculated anything wrong?
https://sites.google.com/site/eruditedragon319/gloomsprite

[Rebel7284]

Dire Bat + mouthpick crossbow? Some trouble reloading though.

[gadren]

Dire Bat + mouthpick crossbow? Some trouble reloading though.

Yeah, I don't think that works. Besides the reloading problem, I don't think a bat could learn to use a crossbow. I need something with hands that can learn weapon proficiencies.

[gadren]

For the record, the goal is take said monster, give it a level in fighter with the hit-and-run acf, as well as the Dead Eye and Crossbow sniper feats for +2.5x dex mod to damage.

[ace rooster]

A skeletal dryad (if they have skeletons) has a dex of 21 and simple weapon proficiency. Skeleton is probably the place to look, as you can apply it to any creature with 5 HD and you are inside the CR, and you also get 2 extra dex. They keep weapon proficiencies, and most types have simple weapon proficiency anyway.

Having read your next post mindless undead is probably not what you want.

[Biffoniacus_Furiou]

A Githzerai [PC Class] 1 is CR 1 with the elite array, for 21 Dex. Add on the Winged Creature template in Savage Species for another +1 CR and +4 Dex, for a total Dex 25 at CR 2.

[gadren]

A Githzerai [PC Class] 1 is CR 1 with the elite array, for 21 Dex. Add on the Winged Creature template in Savage Species for another +1 CR and +4 Dex, for a total Dex 25 at CR 2.

Don't have access to that book right now, but I'm guessing that template can't be added to a creature that already has wings?

Also a petal would still have better dex after applying an elite array since it has +10 dex.

[dextercorvia]

Unseelie Fey is a CR+0 template and +2 Dex

Starting with a Petal, you can add Spellwarped to change it to an Aberration, and granting a +4 Dex. That makes it eligible for Dungeonbred, which gives a +2 Dex with the size decrease. Then you can toss Unseelie Fey back on for another +2, and to change it back to Fey.

That gives you a +18 Dex on a CR 2 character.

[Biffoniacus_Furiou]

Don't have access to that book right now, but I'm guessing that template can't be added to a creature that already has wings?

Also a petal would still have better dex after applying an elite array since it has +10 dex.

Winged Githzerai gets +10 Dex, and it's not tiny size.

A Winged Githzerai Half-Fey 1 (http://archive.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/sp/20040213a) Unseelie Fey Skeleton is CR 1 with Dex 31.

Edit: Make that base creature a Paragon Creature (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/epic/monsters/paragonCreature.htm) and the skeleton is still CR 1 but it has Dex 46, among other benefits.

[Jeff the Green]

Winged Githzerai gets +10 Dex, and it's not tiny size.

A Winged Githzerai Half-Fey 1 (http://archive.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/sp/20040213a) Unseelie Fey Skeleton is CR 1 with Dex 31.

Edit: Make that base creature a Paragon Creature (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/epic/monsters/paragonCreature.htm) and the skeleton is still CR 1 but it has Dex 46, among other benefits.

Couldn't you apply any and every template that boosts Dexterity as long as it doesn't change its HD and leaves it alive, corporeal, and with a skeleton, then follow up with skeleton?

[Biffoniacus_Furiou]

Couldn't you apply any and every template that boosts Dexterity as long as it doesn't change its HD and leaves it alive, corporeal, and with a skeleton, then follow up with skeleton?

Yeah, pretty much.

[dextercorvia]

Winged Githzerai gets +10 Dex, and it's not tiny size.

A Winged Githzerai Half-Fey 1 (http://archive.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/sp/20040213a) Unseelie Fey Skeleton is CR 1 with Dex 31.

Edit: Make that base creature a Paragon Creature (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/epic/monsters/paragonCreature.htm) and the skeleton is still CR 1 but it has Dex 46, among other benefits.

The template you quoted has a CR+15 modifier.

[dextercorvia]

I got ninja'd while editing.

I think Skeleton, Unseelie Fey, Dungeonbred, Spellwarped Petal with the elite array gets a Dex of 35 at CR 1

[Biffoniacus_Furiou]

The template you quoted has a CR+15 modifier.

Doesn't matter what the base creature's CR is, a 1 HD Skeleton is CR 1/3. If you were to add Paragon to the Skeleton version of the creature, it would get +15 CR, but applying templates before Skeleton won't increase the Skeleton's CR.

[malonkey1]

Alright, we need to compile a list of Dex-boosting HD-free templates that are all compatible, apply them in order, count them up, then apply Skeleton. Is that what we're doing here?

[gadren]

Alright, we need to compile a list of Dex-boosting HD-free templates that are all compatible, apply them in order, count them up, then apply Skeleton. Is that what we're doing here?

That'd be amusing, though I'm more curious if there is any Cr <= 2 creature with opposable thumbs that has a higher dex than Petal BEFORE applying a bunch of templates and arrays?

[sideswipe]

A skeletal dryad (if they have skeletons) has a dex of 21 and simple weapon proficiency. Skeleton is probably the place to look, as you can apply it to any creature with 5 HD and you are inside the CR, and you also get 2 extra dex. They keep weapon proficiencies, and most types have simple weapon proficiency anyway.

Having read your next post mindless undead is probably not what you want.

and if it was created by a corpse crafter you get +4 dex

[gadren]

Heh, I just discovered that if I apply the Young template (from pathfinder srd) to a creature, it gets +4 dex and its CR goes DOWN 1

[gadren]

Okay, without using skeleton chicanery, I was able to come up with a young unseelie fey advanced shadow Coure. It is CR 4, but has a dex of 38 (and the advanced and shadow template could be removed to get a dex of 34 at CR 2). I was hoping you guys could look over it and let me know if I calculated anything wrong?
https://sites.google.com/site/eruditedragon319/gloomsprite

[Silva Stormrage]

and if it was created by a corpse crafter you get +4 dex

Re read the feat again. It does not give the +4 enhancement bonus to dex. Only to strength. Only level 8 Dread Necromancers give the +4 enhancement bonus to dex.

[ShurikVch]

Other related stuff:

Anthropomorphic Animal (Snake, Huge viper) 3 HD, +10 Dex, CR 2

Feat Deformity (Gaunt): +2 Dex/-2 Con. Prerequisite is Willing Deformity, but you can get it as bonus feat via variant rule from BoVD

Shadow Simulacrum (template from Shadowdale: The Scouring of the Land) CR is halved

Template Disembodied Spirit (http://archive.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/pg/20030924a):CR = 0

[dascarletm]

Re read the feat again. It does not give the +4 enhancement bonus to dex. Only to strength. Only level 8 Dread Necromancers give the +4 enhancement bonus to dex.

Or necromancy spec'd Wizards with Enhanced Undead ACF.

[ShurikVch]

Or necromancy spec'd Wizards with Enhanced Undead ACF.
Also, feat Heightened Agility (Dr#312, p.38) Undead get +4 Dex (unnamed bonus). Creation required DC 13 Heal check, take extra day of work, +25 gp of materials. "For the purpose of control, treat the resulting creature as having 1 more Hit Die than it actually does"