[Pathfinder] Just a friendly reminder about the Advanced Class Guide

[Novawurmson]

Read the full text of all class abilities. It doesn't matter if you've read the same name of a class feature a thousand times throughout 3.5 and PF, read 'em.

Here's an example because I'm building a Bloodrager for tonight's session:

PF Barbarian Greater Rage


Greater Rage (Ex)

At 11th level, when a barbarian enters rage, the morale bonus to her Strength and Constitution increases to +6 and the morale bonus on her Will saves increases to +3.

PF Bloodrager Greater Bloodrage


Greater Bloodrage (Su)

At 11th level, when a bloodrager enters a bloodrage, the morale bonus to his Strength and Constitution increases to +6 and the morale bonus on his Will saves increases to +3. In addition, upon entering a bloodrage, the bloodrager can apply the effects a bloodrager spell he knows of 2nd level or lower to himself. The spell must have a range of touch or personal. If the spell's duration is greater than 1 round, it instead lasts for the duration of the bloodrage. This use consumes a bloodrager spell slot, as if he had cast the spell; he must have the spell slot available to take advantage of this effect.

Greater bloodrage counts as the barbarian's greater rage ability for the purposes of feat prerequisites, feat abilities, magic item abilities, and spell effects.

(emphasis added)

"Dududududu...+6/+6/+3. Okay, same as the barba - WAIT A SECOND."

Example #2: Warpriest bonus feats.


At 3rd level and every 3 levels thereafter, a warpriest gains a bonus feat in addition to those gained from normal advancement. These bonus feats must be selected from those listed as combat feats. The warpriest must meet the prerequisites for these feats

Yada yada yada, I could repeat this in my sleep.


...but he treats his warpriest level as his base attack bonus for these feats (in addition to base attack bonuses gained from other classes and racial Hit Dice). Finally, for the purposes of these feats, the warpriest can select feats that have a minimum number of fighter levels as a prerequisite, treating his warpriest level as his fighter level.

Which obviously opens up a whole bunch more options to the warpriest, especially being able to take BAB-gated feats earlier than its 3/4 BAB would ally.

Just a head's up!

[GreyBlack]

I mean no offense here, but that should be a friendly reminder for every ability. Sometimes, there are abilities that you gloss over in your initial reading. I remember thinking I knew how the Duskblade worked, but then I reread Channel.

[aethel27]

Thanks I'll take another look at blood rager....though warpriests sacred weapon is useless to me since my char's weapon doesnt get "improved" until almost lvl 20 :smallmad:

[Novawurmson]

I mean no offense here, but that should be a friendly reminder for every ability. Sometimes, there are abilities that you gloss over in your initial reading. I remember thinking I knew how the Duskblade worked, but then I reread Channel.

Oh, absolutely; it's just an added temptation to gloss over something like woodland stride that you've read over and over again, only to miss that the Hunter's animal companion gets it, too.

[Psyren]

I'm still baffled at the people who think Bloodrager is T4. The spell list is fantastic, they get full caster level, they hit like trucks, and they can self-buff as a free action. They aren't even casting the spell - just "applying the effects" and expending a spell slot, so you can do this while tied up, gagged, dual-wielding/2-handing etc.

You can fire off Rage + True Strike + Blade Lash in one round for a +30 trip before factoring in your strength, feats, size, weapon or any other bonuses, all of which count. Or rage + mirror image. Or rage + shield while using a 2-hander. or rage + enlarge person to really scare people. Or rage + false life, rage + resist energy, rage + expeditious retreat etc.

They can also fly, control the battlefield with walls, breathe water, earth glide, etc.

[Ilorin Lorati]

What I'm getting out of this is that I can make a Combat Maneuver-focused Samsaran Bloodrager that's self-greasing.

[Ravens_cry]

I found a painful amount of typos, editing and formatting errors in what is otherwise a lushly put together book. I found a lot of the nicer mundane options tended to be very, very late game before they got anything good, mid high teens, which, in my experience, is basically the same as never or, perhaps for the boss fight,, as only one game I've ever played actually went to 20. If I do, however, i want to try tacking on Channeling Force to my
mounted charger Paladin I have written up. Yes, Paladins get a force spell, as a fourth level spel (http://www.d20pfsrd.com/magic/all-spells/f/forceful-strike)l, though I could get it much, much earlier by simply,say, dipping in Sorcerer.

[Novawurmson]

I'm still baffled at the people who think Bloodrager is T4.

Hey Psyren :D I used your suggestions on the bloodrager spell list (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showsinglepost.php?p=18008639&postcount=28) for a bloodrager (or two) my party is fighting tonight.

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+41 on a bull rush attempt is stupidly easy to get at level 13; combined with Psionic Bull Rush (http://www.d20pfsrd.com/psionics-unleashed/feats/psionic-bull-rush-psionic), Quick Bull Rush, pounce (through Monstrous Physique II), and the blood conduit archetype (http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/hybrid-classes/bloodrager/archetypes/paizo---bloodrager-archetypes/blood-conduit), his turn should look something like this:

Charge, bull rush, swift action touch spell, expend focus to knock prone, finish full attack, finishing with come and get me for counterattacks.

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But yeah, the editing of the Advanced Class Guide is the poorest I've seen of any Paizo product to date, even if I like several of the classes.

[Prime32]

You need the Extend Spell feat, but Greater Bloodrage could be fun combined with some way to get Litany of Defense (http://www.d20pfsrd.com/magic/all-spells/l/litany-of-defense), Litany of Sight (http://www.d20pfsrd.com/magic/all-spells/l/litany-of-sight) or Litany of Warding (http://www.d20pfsrd.com/magic/all-spells/l/litany-of-warding) on your spell list.

[deuxhero]

I think comboing Blood Conduit with the spells that give you ranged trip attempts is a really neat combo, however against RAI it is. I can't think of a way to get those as a bloodrager short of Pathfinder Savant or Daivrat levels though.

You could also grab the rage power to pounce with Primalist but as an NPC 1 casting is enough for the spell.

[Prime32]

I think comboing Blood Conduit with the spells that give you ranged trip attempts is a really neat combo, however against RAI it is. I can't think of a way to get those as a bloodrager short of Pathfinder Savant or Daivrat levels though.Samsaran Mystic Past Life? They get thunderstomp (http://www.d20pfsrd.com/magic/all-spells/t/thunderstomp) already.

[deuxhero]

Wonder how Believer's Boon works with the familiar granting animal domains (monkey, hawk, crocadile, frog). Paizo completely forgot there were domains that gave non-feat passive abilities at level 1.


The spells must be the same type (arcane or divine) as the spellcasting class you're adding them to.

All 3 only appear on divine lists and Bloodrager is arcane.

[Prime32]

All 3 only appear on divine lists and Bloodrager is arcane.Eh?
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/magic/all-spells/t/beast-s-fury http://www.d20pfsrd.com/magic/all-spells/r/rovagug-s-fury
http://www.d20pfsrd.com/magic/all-spells/i/ice-spears

[deuxhero]

Was talking about


You need the Extend Spell feat, but Greater Bloodrage could be fun combined with some way to get Litany of Defense (http://www.d20pfsrd.com/magic/all-spells/l/litany-of-defense), Litany of Sight (http://www.d20pfsrd.com/magic/all-spells/l/litany-of-sight) or Litany of Warding (http://www.d20pfsrd.com/magic/all-spells/l/litany-of-warding) on your spell list.

[grarrrg]

Wonder how Believer's Boon works with the familiar granting animal domains (monkey, hawk, crocadile, frog). Paizo completely forgot there were domains that gave non-feat passive abilities at level 1.

(copy/pasted answer from here (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?366860-PF-ACG-is-now-out!-What-strikes-your-eyes&p=18107352&viewfull=1#post18107352))
Either you just don't get the Familiar (which is the likely intended effect, given the "once per day" and "1st level ability" and stuff and such).
OR
Believer's Boon sets your Cleric>Druid>Wizard level at _1_.
It would stack with "Wizard" levels (a.k.a. any class that is granting a Familiar).
Do note that Familiars have TWO independent sets of progressions.
The first is based on your _Character stats_. Things like HD, Bab, Saves, and Skills. Having an "effective level of 1" has no effect on these, as they don't really care about 'level'.
The second set is based on "Wizard" level. This is the INT bonus, Nat Armor bonus, and "Specials". Unless you multiclass, or take Boon Companion or something, then you are stuck with +1 Nat Armor, 6 INT, and the first batch of Specials (Alertness, improved evasion, share spells, empathic link).

[Ravens_cry]

I do like that they added something I've wanted for a while now, a Charisma based Magus archetype. I've yet to see how it stacks up, but it's something I've wanted for the Magus almost as long as the latter has existed.