Prestige Classes

[Blackhawk748]

Now barring early entry shenanigans your really only going to get 1 level of a prestige class in E6, now the problem is is that most PrCs aren't worth only taking one level. So im curious, what PrCs are worth taking only one level in?

A few off the top of my head:
Ashworm Dragoon
Wild Mage
Assassin (this ones a maybe)

[Chaosvii7]

Sand Shaper gives you access to 24 new spells for a 1-level dip, and Sand Shape has it's uses for making things you need quickly. I'd say that's a pretty good tradeoff for the one level, even if it doesn't increase caster level.

The only problem is that you'd have to forge a link with a Touchstone to qualify for the feat, because the skill ranks prerequisite would mean you'd have to be level 5 to get the feat and you can't take the feat as you take your first level in Sand Shaper(presumably at level 6). But that's probably something you can accomplish in-game pretty easily, and makes for an awesome storyline.

Otherwise the prerequisites conveniently set themselves up for entry at level 6.

[Biffoniacus_Furiou]

Mindbender in CA

The Racial Paragon classes (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/variant/races/racialParagonClasses.htm) from UA can be taken at 1st level.

Church Inquisitor in CD and Master Specialist in CM can be taken sooner, so you could get three levels of either one by 6th.

[ace rooster]

Beastmaster is quite nice. A druid 5 beastmaster 1 can get a bear or a tiger as an animal companion, which is not otherwise possible.

[John Longarrow]

Dragon Slayer for immunity to fear is always nice.

[OldTrees1]

Now barring early entry shenanigans your really only going to get 1 level of a prestige class in E6, now the problem is is that most PrCs aren't worth only taking one level. So im curious, what PrCs are worth taking only one level in?

E6-Prestige-Class-Guide (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?204298-E6-Prestige-Class-Guide)

[Blackhawk748]

Sand Shaper gives you access to 24 new spells for a 1-level dip, and Sand Shape has it's uses for making things you need quickly. I'd say that's a pretty good tradeoff for the one level, even if it doesn't increase caster level.

The only problem is that you'd have to forge a link with a Touchstone to qualify for the feat, because the skill ranks prerequisite would mean you'd have to be level 5 to get the feat and you can't take the feat as you take your first level in Sand Shaper(presumably at level 6). But that's probably something you can accomplish in-game pretty easily, and makes for an awesome storyline.

Otherwise the prerequisites conveniently set themselves up for entry at level 6.

Ah forgot about that, usually because i play Sorc so i wouldnt take it as id lose 3rd lvl spells, for a Wiz itd be great though.

And Church Inq, probably the first time ive ever seen it mentioned on the Playground lol

[sideswipe]

spellsword is a great 1 level dip.

[Dread_Head]

Warshaper (CW) is great if you enter as a Changeling or Tibbit and if you've gone full BAB classes for your first 4 levels you can get two levels in it.

Church Inquisitor is mentioned occasionally as you can enter it easily as a cleric and earlier than most other PrCs and it grants an extra domain which is always nice.

[ace rooster]

Warshaper (CW) is great if you enter as a Changeling or Tibbit and if you've gone full BAB classes for your first 4 levels you can get two levels in it.


Tibbit doesn't look like it qualifies, as it has 'feline transormation' rather than the change shape required. Warshaper explicitly requires one of 5 seperate effects. Feline transormation is not listed. Changelings are shapechanger subtype (From memory, correct me if I'm wrong) so they work fine though.

Edit: oops, tibbits are shapechanger subtype too. I had missed that. Ignore this, sorry.

[eggynack]

Beastmaster is quite nice. A druid 5 beastmaster 1 can get a bear or a tiger as an animal companion, which is not otherwise possible.
That actually sounds like a halfway decent use of a class that's usually just the absolute worst. You usually stop getting particularly useful advancement stuff after 17, and you don't particularly care about a natural bond effect when you have shapechange, but in E6 you'd stop getting stuff after five, and you do care about such an effect at that level.

Anyway, for my own contribution, it looks like holt warden would work. The special prerequisite seems like the only one that could cause problems, because characters with five levels of holt warden might not exist, and extra spells/day, ones that can potentially be used for summoning trickery, are pretty useful.

[DrKerosene]

Pyrokineticist
http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/SRD:Pyrokineticist

It could be a useful cap for a Swordsage character, or Cleric, if you want a fire themed character.

[Greenish]

A level of Fist of the Forest will get you Con to AC while not wearing armour, as well as 1d8 damage unarmed strikes. Oh and fast movement. Second level (which you can easily fit in E6 and your premise is faulty) merely gets you Uncanny Dodge and DR/Magic piercing unarmed strikes.

[Dread_Head]

Tibbit doesn't look like it qualifies, as it has 'feline transormation' rather than the change shape required. Warshaper explicitly requires one of 5 seperate effects. Feline transormation is not listed. Changelings are shapechanger subtype (From memory, correct me if I'm wrong) so they work fine though.

Tibbits qualify through the Shapechanger subtype, same way Changelings do. The Tibbits Feline Transformation definitely qualifies for the form other than its own that the Warshaper abilities require to function.

[Sian]

Shiba Protector is a classic ... Wis-mod to hit and Damage at first level, with the rest of it ranging from bad to average

[Talionis]

Ironsoul Forgemaster. The Incarnate and Totemist melds can do silly things with extra feats and getting the Shield Ability grants some really strong resistances to basically all energy types.

[oldkingkoal]

Mindbender in CA


If you feel like getting the DM to throw dice at you pick up the mind sight feat on that first level.

[Sian]

If you feel like getting the DM to throw dice at you pick up the mind sight feat on that first level.

by strict RAW, no. Feats are taken before getting class features (as per PHB p58)

[Extra Anchovies]

by strict RAW, no. Feats are taken before getting class features (as per PHB p58)

Oh, I didn't actually know that one, thanks for pointing it out. But then, in E6 Mindsight is a mere 5,000 XP away... :smallwink:

[OldTrees1]

by strict RAW, no. Feats are taken before getting class features (as per PHB p58)

By RAW, can't you take a feat as long as you will qualify for it during the leveling up?

[Biffoniacus_Furiou]

By RAW, can't you take a feat as long as you will qualify for it during the leveling up?

No. ten characters

[sleepyphoenixx]

By RAW, can't you take a feat as long as you will qualify for it during the leveling up?

Yes you can.


A character can gain a feat at the same level at which he or she
gains the prerequisite.


by strict RAW, no. Feats are taken before getting class features (as per PHB p58)
Another interpretation is that this is simply a listing for ease of use and you get all the features of your new level at once. Kind of a "Do this when you gain a level" thing instead of "you gain this first, then this, then this." This is supported by the above quote about feats but not explictly clarified elsewhere afaik.