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Yael
2014-09-20, 01:10 AM
Simple, do these stack and may be applied during the same action?

Flying Kick (Complete Warrior, p99)
Sandals of the Tiger's Leap (Sword and Fist, p77)
Snap Kick (Tome of Battle, p32)

They all add a kick at the end of a charge (including snap kick, which states that may be used after a melee attack, and the examples there listed are just that, examples).

So, in the end, you charge, deal your damage plus 1d12 for each unarmed attack (as the Flying Kick says), you make then an extra attack at your highest attack bonus -2 (mitigated by charge action) which deals whatever your unarmed strike is plus 1d12 plus Str 1/2 (per Snap Kick), and finishing with another flying kick which would deal double unarmed attack damage (again, whatever your Superior Unarmed Monk's Belt Strike says times two because of the "double damage clause", plus 1d12, plus Str at double, but this last may be wrong).

I was mistaken, here?

44 average damage assuming only one attack at the end of a charge, monk being level 6th (for prereqs) and 14 Str score. How is this for you? Power attack wasn't counted here, but consider Power/Leap Attack as an addition, I know that there's no humongus damage because THF, but at level 6th, is this worth (dip barbarian or go swordsage).
DeltaEmil
2014-09-20, 01:54 AM
As I see it, it works like that.

At the end of the charge, you make an unarmed strike that deals double damage plus 1d12 damage, followed by a Snap Kick plus 1d12 damage.
Yael
2014-09-20, 02:01 AM
While not "optimized" is this good, by any chance?
Greenish
2014-09-20, 02:06 AM
Aside from being a monk, it's not too bad. Doesn't Snap Kick require 6 BAB, though?
Yael
2014-09-20, 02:47 AM
Aside from being a monk, it's not too bad. Doesn't Snap Kick require 6 BAB, though?

Oh, you're right. Normally I 'brew monk to have full bab. Well, it will have to be level 9th then...
Greenish
2014-09-20, 03:10 AM
Well, it will have to be level 9th then...Why would you want to use monk for this?
Yael
2014-09-20, 04:07 AM
Why would you want to use monk for this?
The flavor.

Maybe a Warblade with IUS would qualify quite sooner, or a Swordsage of the same level, or a fighter. I just added monk because of the flavor. Also, the unarmed damage is what I was looking for, that being said, swordsage'd myself.
Seppo87
2014-09-20, 04:13 AM
I don't understand where the third kick comes from.

Flying Kick just adds damage to a charge, as do the Sandals.

Snap Kick produces an extra attack, but it's just 1, for a total of 2 attacks, not 3
Greenish
2014-09-20, 04:30 AM
The flavor.Flavour's mutable.


Also, the unarmed damage is what I was looking forFist of the Forest? It matches monk damage 'till 12th level, and only takes three levels to do so.
Waddacku
2014-09-20, 04:34 AM
Yeah, it'd come out to two attacks at your highest attack bonus (+2 for charge, -2 for Snap Kick), one at (unarmed damage with full Str bonus)x2 + 1d12, the other at (unarmed damage with half Str bonus)x2 + 1d12.

Unless Snap Kick gets ruled to not have the charge apply, in which case it's at highest BAB - 2 and doesn't have the doubling, of course.
Yael
2014-09-20, 09:44 AM
Oh, no. My example was counting the attack made at the end of a charge, plus the kicks.
StreamOfTheSky
2014-09-20, 10:30 AM
Go Barbarian, City Brawler variant. Doesn't even give up much. You get unarmed strike and TWF with unarmed attacks only, and still have your fast movement to sacrifice to the altar of pounce. And Rage to trade for Whirling Frenzy so that TWF-Flying-Snap Kick pounce also gets another attack. And you have full BAB so you can get Snap Kick at 6th, or even dip out after a level or 2 to another full BAB class.

I love monk, but it really doesn't compare to other melee classes, even at its own game. :smallfrown:
Urpriest
2014-09-20, 05:35 PM
Oh, no. My example was counting the attack made at the end of a charge, plus the kicks.

Only one of the feats gives you an extra kick though. The other one is just your normal attack at the end of the charge.
Dusk Eclipse
2014-09-20, 11:32 PM
If you add enough Warblade (or Swordsage I guess) levels to get Dancing/Raging mongoose I think the character would look something like this

http://img3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100328042000/streetfighter/images/7/7d/Chuny-ts-kickz.gif
Seppo87
2014-09-21, 03:29 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Px71X-6Ua0&t=1m18s
Yael
2014-09-21, 05:12 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Px71X-6Ua0&t=1m18s

Exactly what I had in mind.
Tohsaka Rin
2014-09-21, 10:46 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=Qylxk4pTcno#t=213

Kicks at the end of a charge, you say?
Yael
2014-09-21, 12:33 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=Qylxk4pTcno#t=213

Kicks at the end of a charge, you say?

The kicks though!