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Garou666
2014-09-29, 07:55 AM
My Pj had 29 on Charisma, but i don't know how to put that on CA, someone had a idea? :smallconfused:

Tarlek Flamehai
2014-09-29, 08:23 AM
My Pj had 29 on Charisma, but i don't know how to put that on CA, someone had a idea? :smallconfused:

Pj? Sorry, in my lexicon that is short for Pajamas. CA....I honestly don't know this abbreviation either. Do you mean AC? Sirine's Grace, Battle Dancer 1, Mystic Wanderer 2.

Sorry if none of this is helpful.

Pilo
2014-09-29, 08:35 AM
I guess that Garou666 speaks french.

CA means AC and PJ means PC (I had the same problem with po and gp).

To help you, the forum has this thread (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?125732-3-x-X-stat-to-Y-bonus) which explains how to get the best of each ability.

Macros
2014-09-29, 09:07 AM
Yeah, I believe Pilo is spot-on. :smallwink:

Well, if you're sufficiently high-level, the spell Ghost Form (8th level) is a good way to do it. Other than that, the Battle Dancer do it too, kind of like a monk.

If none of these solutions are available, play a Ghost. Or a God. :smallbiggrin:

Snowbluff
2014-09-29, 09:44 AM
I suggest Ascetic Mage. With level of MOnk or a couple in Swordsage, you can get CHa to ac in no or light armor, respectively.

I guess that Garou666 speaks french.

CA means AC and PJ means PC.

To help you, the forum has this thread (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?125732-3-x-X-stat-to-Y-bonus) which will help you.
Wow, you learn something every day. :smallbiggrin:

Extra Anchovies
2014-09-29, 10:19 AM
That's an absurdly high Charisma. Congratulations on your excellent ability score :smallbiggrin:

Suggestions:
Simple idea: The Battle Dancer class gets Charisma as an untyped bonus to AC (or CA, I guess) at first level.

More complex idea: take the feats Magical Training and Precocious Apprentice at 1st level. You are now capable of casting second level spells (only one per day, but it still counts). Somewhere down the line, take a level of Monk (preferably at a level at which you gain another feat). Then take the feat Ascetic Mage from Complete Adventurer. It requires Improved Unarmed Strike (got it from Battle Dancer and/or Monk) and the ability to spontaneously cast 2nd-level spells (which you get from Magical Training + Precocious Apprentice). It changes the monk's AC bonus to be based on Charisma; pair this with a level of Battle Dancer and you now have Charisma to AC (or CA) twice. For Charisma of 29, that's a +18 untyped bonus. Noice.
Stuff that may be useful, depending on your build:
Classes:
2 levels of Iaijutsu master, for +Charisma to Initiative
At least one level of Marshal, to provide some continuous Charisma-based party buffs
2 levels of Paladin, or 1 level of the Oriental Adventures version of Witch Hunter, for +Charisma to saving throws (this is +9 to saves, don't pass it up)
Feats:
Force of Personality (makes will saves Charisma-based instead of Wisdom-based)
Items:
Gauntlets of Heartfelt Blows (+Charisma to damage)
Slippers of Battledancing (+Charisma to both attack and damage if you move at least 10 feet in a round; see this guide (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?103358-3-X-Ways-to-get-Pounce-or-Free-Movement) for ways to get that movement in and still full attack)

Other things that may be of interest:
The "A" Game Paladin build (http://community.wizards.com/content/forum-topic/3407376): uses Charisma for a lot of stuff, and is a pretty awesome build.
X Stat to Y Bonus (http://brilliantgameologists.com/boards/index.php?topic=215.0): for when you need to add some ability modifier to some number on your character sheet that it doesn't normally affect.

Garou666
2014-10-01, 07:36 AM
Ty guys its has i looking for and Yep = AC = CA :smallcool: