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Flik9999
2014-10-02, 08:54 AM
Hey guys I noticed that Berserkers go into "rage" and are meant to lose thier defendery aspects. Now I found this feat in dragon 400 which allows me to get "Defender Aura" and it can be activated the way a paladin does. So can a berserker go into rage with a primal attack and then activate the paladin defender aura and simular to how marks work with hybrid fighter/paladin. Then use Vengeful Guardian even if in rage?

Im just curious as to whether this combo works. Also how would it work for Poised Defender?





Soldier of Virtue [Multiclass Paladin]
The path of darkness calls to you, granting you power
in return for your obedience to the principles of the
vice it embraces.
Prerequisite: Strength 13, Charisma 13
Benefit: You gain training in one skill from the
cavalier paladin’s class skills list. You gain proficiency
with holy symbols.
You gain the defender aura power. You can use righteous
radiance as an encounter power.


Vengeful Guardian Barbarian Attack
Your nearby enemies learn the hard way that it is unwise to
ignoreyou.
At-Will + Martial
Opportunity Action Personal
Trigger: An enemy subject to your defender aura either shifts
or makes an attack that targets an ally of yours, without
targeting you or an ally who has an active defender aura.
Effect: You make a melee basic attack against the triggering
enemy and deal 1d8 extra damage to it.
Leve/11: 2d8 extra damage.
Level 21: 3d8 extra damage. On a miss, the attack deals
half damage to the triggering enemy.

Poised Defender As long as your primal
rage does not take over, your martial training helps
you dodge and parry incoming attacks if you're not
burdened by heavy armor.
Benefit: While your defender aura is active and
you're not wearing heavy armor, you gain a + 2 bonus
to AC.

Berserker Fury Though you are a warrior
of skill and poise most of the time, when your ire
is stoked you become a force of destruction on the
battlefield. At times of desperation, or when the scent
of your enemies' blood fills your senses, you fly into
a frenzy of rage. While engulfed in this primal rage,
you abandon much of your discipline and training,
allowing primal spirits to flow into you and assume
control.
Benefit: When you use a barbarian primal attack
power, you enter your Berserker Fury until the end
of the encounter. Alternatively, you can use a minor
action while you are bloodied to enter the fury. The
fury has the following effects.
+ Your defender aura ends, ifit was active, and you
cannot use defender aura or venaefulauardian until
the fury ends.
+ Some of your powers, such as your barbarian martial
at-will attack powers, gain additional benefits,
as noted in those powers.
+ Your melee basic attacks deal1d8 extra damage.
This extra damage increases to 2d8 at 11th level
and 3d8 at 21st level.

Sol
2014-10-02, 09:50 AM
+ Your defender aura ends, ifit was active, and you
cannot use defender aura or vengeful guardian until
the fury ends.

If the cavalier's Defender Aura was named differently than the Berserker's, then you could turn it on while in Berserker's Fury, but it's not, so you can't. Even if you could, Berserker's Furt also explicitly disallows Vengeful Guardian for its duration.

You should maybe read the rules text that you're pasting in your own threads when you're asking questions? I don't mean that in a rude way, but literally all I had to do to answer this question was read the rules text that you pasted here.

Flik9999
2014-10-02, 01:41 PM
Also on another thing.

If you take this feat can you always have defender aura up on say a cleric or warlord as it says you can gain the defender aura power before stating that righteous radiance is an encounter power.

Dimers
2014-10-02, 02:00 PM
If you take this feat can you always have defender aura up on say a cleric or warlord as it says you can gain the defender aura power before stating that righteous radiance is an encounter power.

That's true. Once you've used your once-per-encounter punishment, the aura itself remains. Neither the punishment nor the attack penalty is a very strong effect, but they're better than not having ANYTHING. And multiclassing to cavalier paladin doesn't prevent you from also picking up the regular paladin's divine challenge once per encounter, or powerswapping to get a little divine sanction ability.

Tegu8788
2014-10-02, 03:54 PM
But the trick doesn't work, having a defender aura up while getting the fury boosts. An OA that's 2d8 at level one for a defender is not bad. The advantage of everything having the same names means there can be cross over fun. The disadvantage of everything having the same name means it's easier to negate combos when designing things.

Edit: Which is a shame, because not only would that be a sweet combo, it would perfectly fit one of my player's concepts.