Multiple applications of spells

[Max Caysey]

Is it possible to be subject to evard's black tentacles (http://dndtools.eu/spells/players-handbook-v35--6/evards-black-tentacles--2391/), daltim's fiery tentacles (http://dndtools.eu/spells/shining-south--25/daltims-fiery-tentacles--3267/) and kyristan's malevolent tentacles (http://dndtools.eu/spells/shining-south--25/kyristans-malevolent-tentacles--3283/) all at the same time?

[Venger]

yes. there's no rule implying otherwise.

[JaminDM]

I can't see why not. 😈

[Necroticplague]

Yes. The normal rules for combining magical effects only cover when you try and buff someone. Their's absolutely nothing against layering area effects over and over each other. Heck I don't see a reason you can't be effected by 3 different Black Tentacle spells.




Spells or magical effects usually work as described, no matter how many other spells or magical effects happen to be operating in the same area or on the same recipient. Except in special cases, a spell does not affect the way another spell operates. Whenever a spell has a specific effect on other spells, the spell description explains that effect. Several other general rules apply when spells or magical effects operate in the same place.

[Max Caysey]

Thanks all...

Another question that comes to mind is... Could these spells be cast in timestop in an area occupied by your enemy and when would they take effect?

[Venger]

Thanks all...

Another question that comes to mind is... Could these spells be cast in timestop in an area occupied by your enemy and when would they take effect?

of course (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/spells/timeStop.htm)

they take effect when the time stop's up, as normal.

[atemu1234]

I believe so because their duration is not instantaneous.

[Venger]

I believe so because their duration is not instantaneous.

yes, that and aoes are called out specifically:


A spell that affects an area and has a duration longer than the remaining duration of the time stop have their normal effects on other creatures once the time stop ends.

[Max Caysey]

Again thanks...

The spell daltim's fiery tentacles (http://dndtools.eu/spells/shining-south--25/daltims-fiery-tentacles--3267/) says that creatures grappled cant make reflex saving throws. Is that something particular for that spell or a general rule of grappling or the tenticle spell line?

[Venger]

Again thanks...

The spell daltim's fiery tentacles (http://dndtools.eu/spells/shining-south--25/daltims-fiery-tentacles--3267/) says that creatures grappled cant make reflex saving throws. Is that something particular for that spell or a general rule of grappling or the tenticle spell line?

that's specifically for that spell. the x's y tentacles don't have that as a general rule, nor is it part of grappling.

[Necroticplague]

Again thanks...

The spell daltim's fiery tentacles (http://dndtools.eu/spells/shining-south--25/daltims-fiery-tentacles--3267/) says that creatures grappled cant make reflex saving throws. Is that something particular for that spell or a general rule of grappling or the tenticle spell line?

It doesn't say grappled creatures can't make reflex saving throws, and that isnt a general rule for grappling. It just says that those grappled by the spell can't make the specific reflex save to avoid the fire damage that spell causes.

[Max Caysey]

that's specifically for that spell. the x's y tentacles don't have that as a general rule, nor is it part of grappling.

Crap... I was hoping to seriously cash in on the loss of reflex saving throw from those grappled...

[Necroticplague]

Crap... I was hoping to seriously cash in on the loss of reflex saving throw from those grappled...

Yeah, no dice.


A successful Reflex save halves this damage, but a character grappled by the tentacles cannot make the save.

"The save" is both A:Singular, and B: a pronoun phrase, meaning you could substitute the last thing that meets that qualification mentioned (in this case, the last save mentioned) without change in meaning. Thus, the phrase "the save" refers only to the reflex save to avoid its own damage.