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ShadowfireOmega
2014-10-17, 11:18 PM
Ok, since I wanted to play a monk, I made a monk. I stupidly made a halfling monk. To get my damage up to par, I asked if I could take Improved Natural Attack. I was told only if I took a monster class, and the only suitable one I found was lycanthrope. I am allowed to buyoff the LA, which will happen eventually, but am stuck with a level of animal I cannot get around. Anyway, enough of that rant, lets start on a rant/question.

When I went looking for a good animal to use, looking at the stats as the "Making a lycanthrope" section in the MMI, I found some contradictory text. In this section, when you shift into hybrid or animal form, you get bonuses to your physical ability scores based on the animals stats-10 or -11, depending on if the number is even or odd, respectively. So a baboon would be 4, 4, and 2. Looking at the "as players" portion, it says it adds the animals ability modifiers, so in this case it would be 2, 2 and 1. Or so my DM says. I point out that that's the way they are on the table, he says that table probably wasn't intended for players, only monsters. I don't think there are any differences between applying a template for an NPC and a PC, is there? Can any find me something that proves this one way or another? Thanks.

Note: At this point this is for future reference, the DM and I have come to an agreement on the subject, I just really want to know.

LOTRfan
2014-10-17, 11:24 PM
Unless your DM is houseruling a difference, then no, there should not be any difference between a PC and an NPC lycanthrope.

Blackhawk748
2014-10-17, 11:24 PM
Werewolf is +2 Str, +4 Dex, +4 Con, and no there is no difference between NPC and PC template application, though some templates shouldnt be put on PCs. And if he's concerned about you being OP, you're a monk , but seriously Lycanthropes cant use there power all the time, as they have a very negative rep.

frost890
2014-10-18, 12:51 AM
Also take a look at savage species. It has all the "Rules" for making monster characters. keep in mind that house rules if any can change any part of the game. I play with a GM that gives ALL Dragons deity levels...

TypoNinja
2014-10-18, 01:03 AM
Please note as a halfling lycanthrope there are are few you don't qualify for. Since you are small and the lycanthropy condition/template requires within one size category you cannot be any lycanthrope that turns you large. You do however qualify for much smaller than usual critters.

Andezzar
2014-10-18, 01:06 AM
Unless your DM is houseruling a difference, then no, there should not be any difference between a PC and an NPC lycanthrope.Well there is one. PC lycanthropes have an LA, NPC lycanthropes do not.

ShadowfireOmega
2014-10-18, 02:02 AM
Please note as a halfling lycanthrope there are are few you don't qualify for. Since you are small and the lycanthropy condition/template requires within one size category you cannot be any lycanthrope that turns you large. You do however qualify for much smaller than usual critters.

yea, I got that one early on. I really want to minimize the HD I take tho, so it was no biggie.

Thanks everyone, I will check out references and such.