Spikes01k
2007-03-18, 12:06 PM
This is a disscuction on what it would take to get a Lesser Goliath and/or Half Goliath. The starter is the usual, a cross breed with humans, however I don't think that sort of thing is very likly, so maybe half orcs?
The desired end results:
* -2 dex; replacing the current stat adjustments.
* Humanoid; instead of monsterus
* LA 0; instead of +1
* Ecentually everything identical to a Goliath.
What do you think? Probable? Still to powerful for a LA 0? Just a bad idea altogether?
Edit:
* +2 Climb; instead of Acclimated and Moutain Movement.
Edit2:
Lesser Goliath Charactersitics
-2 Dex
30ft
Medium Size
Humanoid
Powerful Build
+2 Climb
+2 Sens motive checks with other lesser Goliaths and Goliaths
Edit 3: Edit 4 (Re-naming)
Hill Orcs Charactersitics
+2 Str, -2 Dex, -2 Int, -2 Wis
30ft
Medium Size
Humanoid
Powerful Build
+2 racial bonus to Spot and Listen
Edit 5:
Hill Orcs
Hill Orcs are a product of a tribe of Goliaths that lived closer to the bottom of mountains than most. They opened their ranks and adpoted half orcs and some humans into their tribe. Over the years with the mixing of the bloods and traditions they became what is now known as Hill Orcs. Currently there are only a dozen tribes, but they are very big existing near mountain bases. There are rumors of some dwarven blood being mixed in with them due to the trading relations between them but that has never been confirmed.
Description and Over View
Physical Description
Hill orcs look a great deal like half orcs in shape but with an equivalent stocky build of a dwarf, when compared to humans and dwarfs. The head is often very goliath like but with any number of half orcish traits. They have little hair, mostly on the head, but occasionally a beard and thin hair on the back with the males. The hair can be brown, grey, or black. The skin tends to mimic the texture and color of goliaths.
Culture and Religion
Their culture tends to mimic goliath's culture but with them entities being hill orcs instead, and some other variants of belief to better fit their geography.
Over View
Hill orcs are stocky creatures who take great joy in physical activity and stature. They are strong fighters and know how to work their strengths but some tend to be a little more focused battle than golitaths.
A great deal of half ors who joined their tribe were abandoned by their orc family and held a hatred toward their orcish trates and culter, thus why they sot to join a different one, and thus they abandoned their goblinoid ancestry. They don't hate themselves and they do have a great deal of their orcish traits; so their feelings about their ancestry is mixed, they adopted the name hill orcs in an attempt to try and start giving a good name to orcs and to start leading them by example.
Like goliaths they are very competitive and love proving them selves physically superior to each other in many tasks. However these competitions are usually just for boasting rights at most. Even though most hill orcs will not look for a fight, when one is confronted they do enjoy the battle. The tribes are very closely knitted and work effectively together, however they do put a great deal of value on a small section of personal space and land. Each hill orc or hill orc clutch has in their triable land a small space, which is the bar minimum space they need to live, that they hold in high regard and is seen as very personal space. The one sure way of aggrivating them is by disrespecting their personal space. However that space specificly is not the issue but rather the general actual amount of space. If a member of the tribe needs space for a growing family the entire tribe is usually willing to move their personal space to accommodate. In a few sparse occasions an alpha minded hill orc will be encroached apon and will have too large a family that it just has a great connection to each other that he will refuse to move. When this happens the rest will accommodate him or her as well, but this is but the sign of the end to his stay in that tribe. After two or three occasions the leader or another person with authority to exile a member, will come up to them and question them on the situation. In most of these occasions this will likely lead to a form of exile. The younger individuals will be forced to leave as an exile for a number of years. The older ones, who maybe have become hardened with age, will be given a good land to start up their own tribe. actual exile is not as common with hill orcs as with goliaths but these temporary exiles are very common in practice. Hill orcs are also nomadic like goliaths, and share alot of the same psychology as goliaths. Hill orcs are still nomadic like goliaths but they have a stronger focus on metal working and farming. Having more land to work with, they tend to set up many hidden farms and smithing caves at their many areas of settlement. However they still need to trade with dwares. In most of the other ways their life is a reflection of their goliath ancestry.
Relations
Hill orcs are more in touch with the world than goliaths. They too tend to act friendly and open to anyone they meet out in the world with the exception of normal orcs, goblinoids, drow, and giants. Every Hill Orc is usually willing to give anyone a chance but they are wirry of the drow, goblinoids, and giant races. If any of these races were to wonder into their tribe with out notice, they would promptly tell them or motion them to leave under threat of force and be willing to host discretions outside tribal lands if they leave peacefully. If any of the non goblinoid races were to wonder into tribal land they would be greeted warmly by the owner of that specific personal space and told to respect the land. Hill orcs hold half orcs, goliaths, and dwarves in high regard. A hill orc who has become close to a member of one of these races tend to treat them as a member of their own tribe.
Hill Orc Lands
Hill orcs usually will have a set number of mountains in a mountain range from which they will move from base to base to different settlements. Unless they are rather neutral or evil in nature they will be sure to not take another hill orc trib's settlement. Each tribe thus far usually has about 6-8 settlements between 4-6 moutains to their own at any given time.
Alignment:
Hill orcs tend to be good or neutral with good intentions toward their own tribe, although they can be any. Evil hill orcs are usually exiled if they are not sneaky enough to hide their nature.
Hill Orcs Characteristics
+2 Str, -2 Dex, -2 Int, -2 Wis
Movement 30ft
Medium Size
Humanoid
Dark Vision 60ft
Optimal Build: The physical stature of an hill orc lets him function in many ways as if he were one size category larger as they gain experience. At 1 hit die a hill orc can use a large sized weapons with out having to use it two handed with a -2 to hit. This can only be applied to the weapon in their primary hand or a two handed weapon. This does not allow them to use a two handed weapon one handed. However, his space & reach remain those of a creature of his actual size. An hill orc is also considered to be one size larger when determining whether a creature’s special attacks based on size (such as improved grab or swallow whole) can affect him. The benefits of this racial trait stack with the effects of powers, abilities, & spells that change the subject’s size category.
At 3 hit die of progression they can now use a large off hand weapon with the normal -2 to hit, but their primary hand or a two handed weapon minus is reduced to -1. Whenever an hill orc is subject to a size modifier or special size modifier for an opposed check (such as during grapple checks, bull rush attempts, & trip attempts), the hill orc is treat as one size larger if doing so is advantageous to him.
At 5 hit die of progression a hill orc can use weapons designed for a creature one size larger without penalty.
+2 racial bonus to Spot and Listen
Automatic Language: Common, and Gol-Kaa. Bonus Languages: Any (other than secret languages, such as Druidic). See the Speak Language skill.
Favored Class: Barbarian
The desired end results:
* -2 dex; replacing the current stat adjustments.
* Humanoid; instead of monsterus
* LA 0; instead of +1
* Ecentually everything identical to a Goliath.
What do you think? Probable? Still to powerful for a LA 0? Just a bad idea altogether?
Edit:
* +2 Climb; instead of Acclimated and Moutain Movement.
Edit2:
Lesser Goliath Charactersitics
-2 Dex
30ft
Medium Size
Humanoid
Powerful Build
+2 Climb
+2 Sens motive checks with other lesser Goliaths and Goliaths
Edit 3: Edit 4 (Re-naming)
Hill Orcs Charactersitics
+2 Str, -2 Dex, -2 Int, -2 Wis
30ft
Medium Size
Humanoid
Powerful Build
+2 racial bonus to Spot and Listen
Edit 5:
Hill Orcs
Hill Orcs are a product of a tribe of Goliaths that lived closer to the bottom of mountains than most. They opened their ranks and adpoted half orcs and some humans into their tribe. Over the years with the mixing of the bloods and traditions they became what is now known as Hill Orcs. Currently there are only a dozen tribes, but they are very big existing near mountain bases. There are rumors of some dwarven blood being mixed in with them due to the trading relations between them but that has never been confirmed.
Description and Over View
Physical Description
Hill orcs look a great deal like half orcs in shape but with an equivalent stocky build of a dwarf, when compared to humans and dwarfs. The head is often very goliath like but with any number of half orcish traits. They have little hair, mostly on the head, but occasionally a beard and thin hair on the back with the males. The hair can be brown, grey, or black. The skin tends to mimic the texture and color of goliaths.
Culture and Religion
Their culture tends to mimic goliath's culture but with them entities being hill orcs instead, and some other variants of belief to better fit their geography.
Over View
Hill orcs are stocky creatures who take great joy in physical activity and stature. They are strong fighters and know how to work their strengths but some tend to be a little more focused battle than golitaths.
A great deal of half ors who joined their tribe were abandoned by their orc family and held a hatred toward their orcish trates and culter, thus why they sot to join a different one, and thus they abandoned their goblinoid ancestry. They don't hate themselves and they do have a great deal of their orcish traits; so their feelings about their ancestry is mixed, they adopted the name hill orcs in an attempt to try and start giving a good name to orcs and to start leading them by example.
Like goliaths they are very competitive and love proving them selves physically superior to each other in many tasks. However these competitions are usually just for boasting rights at most. Even though most hill orcs will not look for a fight, when one is confronted they do enjoy the battle. The tribes are very closely knitted and work effectively together, however they do put a great deal of value on a small section of personal space and land. Each hill orc or hill orc clutch has in their triable land a small space, which is the bar minimum space they need to live, that they hold in high regard and is seen as very personal space. The one sure way of aggrivating them is by disrespecting their personal space. However that space specificly is not the issue but rather the general actual amount of space. If a member of the tribe needs space for a growing family the entire tribe is usually willing to move their personal space to accommodate. In a few sparse occasions an alpha minded hill orc will be encroached apon and will have too large a family that it just has a great connection to each other that he will refuse to move. When this happens the rest will accommodate him or her as well, but this is but the sign of the end to his stay in that tribe. After two or three occasions the leader or another person with authority to exile a member, will come up to them and question them on the situation. In most of these occasions this will likely lead to a form of exile. The younger individuals will be forced to leave as an exile for a number of years. The older ones, who maybe have become hardened with age, will be given a good land to start up their own tribe. actual exile is not as common with hill orcs as with goliaths but these temporary exiles are very common in practice. Hill orcs are also nomadic like goliaths, and share alot of the same psychology as goliaths. Hill orcs are still nomadic like goliaths but they have a stronger focus on metal working and farming. Having more land to work with, they tend to set up many hidden farms and smithing caves at their many areas of settlement. However they still need to trade with dwares. In most of the other ways their life is a reflection of their goliath ancestry.
Relations
Hill orcs are more in touch with the world than goliaths. They too tend to act friendly and open to anyone they meet out in the world with the exception of normal orcs, goblinoids, drow, and giants. Every Hill Orc is usually willing to give anyone a chance but they are wirry of the drow, goblinoids, and giant races. If any of these races were to wonder into their tribe with out notice, they would promptly tell them or motion them to leave under threat of force and be willing to host discretions outside tribal lands if they leave peacefully. If any of the non goblinoid races were to wonder into tribal land they would be greeted warmly by the owner of that specific personal space and told to respect the land. Hill orcs hold half orcs, goliaths, and dwarves in high regard. A hill orc who has become close to a member of one of these races tend to treat them as a member of their own tribe.
Hill Orc Lands
Hill orcs usually will have a set number of mountains in a mountain range from which they will move from base to base to different settlements. Unless they are rather neutral or evil in nature they will be sure to not take another hill orc trib's settlement. Each tribe thus far usually has about 6-8 settlements between 4-6 moutains to their own at any given time.
Alignment:
Hill orcs tend to be good or neutral with good intentions toward their own tribe, although they can be any. Evil hill orcs are usually exiled if they are not sneaky enough to hide their nature.
Hill Orcs Characteristics
+2 Str, -2 Dex, -2 Int, -2 Wis
Movement 30ft
Medium Size
Humanoid
Dark Vision 60ft
Optimal Build: The physical stature of an hill orc lets him function in many ways as if he were one size category larger as they gain experience. At 1 hit die a hill orc can use a large sized weapons with out having to use it two handed with a -2 to hit. This can only be applied to the weapon in their primary hand or a two handed weapon. This does not allow them to use a two handed weapon one handed. However, his space & reach remain those of a creature of his actual size. An hill orc is also considered to be one size larger when determining whether a creature’s special attacks based on size (such as improved grab or swallow whole) can affect him. The benefits of this racial trait stack with the effects of powers, abilities, & spells that change the subject’s size category.
At 3 hit die of progression they can now use a large off hand weapon with the normal -2 to hit, but their primary hand or a two handed weapon minus is reduced to -1. Whenever an hill orc is subject to a size modifier or special size modifier for an opposed check (such as during grapple checks, bull rush attempts, & trip attempts), the hill orc is treat as one size larger if doing so is advantageous to him.
At 5 hit die of progression a hill orc can use weapons designed for a creature one size larger without penalty.
+2 racial bonus to Spot and Listen
Automatic Language: Common, and Gol-Kaa. Bonus Languages: Any (other than secret languages, such as Druidic). See the Speak Language skill.
Favored Class: Barbarian