How do you roleplay cheese?

[TheCrowing1432]

As a long time player of DND I know a lot of cheese you can do with various loopholes in the game.

Wish Farms, Infinite Money, Being completely immortal. Etc.

But the thing is, how would your character know all of this?

Oh sure you could make knowledge checks, but how would those knowledge checks correlate him into knowing on how to stack all of those magical effects?

How would he know he could use planar binding to make wish farms? How would he know Polymorph is totally broken?

Or am I missing the point of cheese, is cheese only possible with OOC knowledge?

[Amphetryon]

As a long time player of DND I know a lot of cheese you can do with various loopholes in the game.

Wish Farms, Infinite Money, Being completely immortal. Etc.

But the thing is, how would your character know all of this?

Oh sure you could make knowledge checks, but how would those knowledge checks correlate him into knowing on how to stack all of those magical effects?

How would he know he could use planar binding to make wish farms? How would he know Polymorph is totally broken?

Or am I missing the point of cheese, is cheese only possible with OOC knowledge?

In a world where these tactics have been available prior to your character's arrival on the scene, someone else would have come up with them. If someone else came up with them, someone probably noticed, particularly in a world where real-world human limits on observational and other abilities are generally eclipsed by 6th level at the latest. Declining to use these tactics can be just as much a metagame decision as opting to use them.

[TheCrowing1432]

In a world where these tactics have been available prior to your character's arrival on the scene, someone else would have come up with them. If someone else came up with them, someone probably noticed, particularly in a world where real-world human limits on observational and other abilities are generally eclipsed by 6th level at the latest. Declining to use these tactics can be just as much a metagame decision as opting to use them.

But if someone has infinite money, why is there an economy?

If someone had infinite wish uses....why is anything, anything?

[Amphetryon]

But if someone has infinite money, why is there an economy?

If someone had infinite wish uses....why is anything, anything?

For the same reason that people in the real world have tons of money and power, and an economy still exists, with limits on folks' power. They don't spend it all; they don't spread it all around. Wishes are not available to only a single individual in D&D, so can - theoretically - be undone, bartered with, or even held in reserve.

[eggynack]

"Hey, Malthosio the magnificent," said Christophonogram the cool.

"What is it?" asked Malthosio.

"Well, you know how my recently researched high end calling spell, the one I've taken to calling 'planar binding', is capable of summoning an efreeti?" asked Christophonogram.

"Of course. You spent all last month documenting each creature that is capable of being conjured. A fantastic doing, I must say."

"Well, do you remember how an efreeti, in all of its infinite splendor, is capable of casting wish?"

"Hah, well, if I didn't, then I could just consult that planar binding list you handed out to everyone in our wizarding guild. You truly have a knack for this sort of thing," said Malthosio.

"Yes, yes, no need to butter me up," said Christophonogram. "The point is, wish is capable of creating high powered magical items, like candles of invocation."

"The ridiculous hyper-item of yore? I hadn't even considered it..."

"Indeed. Using this spell, we could access a veritable loop of wishes. and use this power to reach phenomenal levels of power.

"Huzzah! Our victory is nigh."

So, you see.

[OldTrees1]

It depends on the kind of cheese.

Some cheese (Dipping Wizard at 1st level to get a non Wizard caster into Red Wizard) is not so much roleplayed as it was crafted to represent the Thayian caster that is more of a specialist than those "pretending" wizards.

[Gnome Alone]

"Hey, Malthosio the magnificent," said Christophonogram the cool.

"What is it?" asked Malthosio.

"Well, you know how my recently researched high end calling spell, the one I've taken to calling 'planar binding', is capable of summoning an efreeti?" asked Christophonogram.

"Of course. You spent all last month documenting each creature that is capable of being conjured. A fantastic doing, I must say."

"Well, do you remember how an efreeti, in all of its infinite splendor, is capable of casting wish?"

"Hah, well, if I didn't, then I could just consult that planar binding list you handed out to everyone in our wizarding guild. You truly have a knack for this sort of thing," said Malthosio.

"Yes, yes, no need to butter me up," said Christophonogram. "The point is, wish is capable of creating high powered magical items, like candles of invocation."

"The ridiculous hyper-item of yore? I hadn't even considered it..."

"Indeed. Using this spell, we could access a veritable loop of wishes. and use this power to reach phenomenal levels of power.

"Huzzah! Our victory is nigh."

So, you see.

Yep. Nothing new under the sun. Of course, my favorite response that I've seen to these kind of shenanigans is: "Pun-Pun has already ascended and is the in-game avatar of the DM."

[The Oni]

Yep. Nothing new under the sun. Of course, my favorite response that I've seen to these kind of shenanigans is: "Pun-Pun has already ascended and is the in-game avatar of the DM."

Fight munchkinry with munchkinry, then.

[Psyren]

Or am I missing the point of cheese, is cheese only possible with OOC knowledge?

If by "cheese" you mean TO, the point is not to use it at all, and thus the question of how to integrate it into the game universe is irrelevant.

[Hand_of_Vecna]

For some reason you've placed TO that only shows up in Tippy's games like Wish farming under the same label as strong combat spells. Anyway here's how I deal with both.

Wish Farms and other infinite wealth sources; gentleman's agreement or they're houseruled to not work.

Strong spells are just that strong, I for one an perfectly comfortable having it be well known that Polymorph is strong. If it isn't readily apparent from simply thinking about what the spell can do then there will be a disproportionate number of anecdotal sories about Polymorph saving the lives of wizards compared to other spells of the same level.

This actually works in the DM's favor since the DM will have to put together more spell lists than the players. It's a lot easier to start with a skeleton of well known strong spells and then fill in the remainder with flavorful spells than to try to come up with a powerful signature loadout for every NPC caster while maintaining competative power levels with other casters of their level.

[Tvtyrant]

You could always go the whole way and have the various online guides be in-universe guides made by clever and powerful individuals. "You should really get around to reading Cru's update of Megaplex's complete Polymorph handbook. The edition is a little rare, but it is truly worth it to track one down." Or "I think there are some suggestions on how to convince a Balor to work for you in Gnorman's Practical Demonkeeping. Get it off the shelf for me Spike."

I like to throw splatbooks in as real books sometimes as well, which I got off of them making the In-Universe Book of Vile Darkness and Book of Exalted Deeds into splatbooks. For instance the Monster Manuals become Mordenkainen's five bestiarys.

[Rubik]

My answer?

The universe explodes. (https://www.fanfiction.net/s/8096183/1/Harry-Potter-and-the-Natural-20)

And then explodes again. (https://www.fanfiction.net/s/9669819/1/The-Two-Year-Emperor)