Sangwaan is . . .

[Deuce]

So what do you think, will we be seeing her again?

[Shapechanger]

Chomped on by a Dragon and thrown sky-high?

Bad odds.

[BisectedBrioche]

I will eat my hat if she survived that. And I don't even wear a hat.

[Purple_cloack]

I REALLY kick some asses if her is alive still.
But I like sangwaan. She is cool.

[Whisper]

She's an interesting NPC who has reasonable abilities to have her survive so I'm thinking she made it.

[TakZero]

I think it doesn't really matter much, as they certainly do have the leftover diamond from the Shojo resurrection, and I'd certainly think that job hazards such as undead dragon bites merit a few perks, eh? But yeah, at this particular moment, she's dead, Jim.

[Wrecan]

Do we know if she's a arcane or divine caster. If arcane, she might have feather fall.

[Milandros]

Definitely in an indeterminate quantum state until such time as the Giant decides to observe her in one state or the other.

[Hinton]

While I know what I'm hoping for (alive), I try not to speculate/predict what's going to happen.

[Albion]

Well, things worked out well for Celia. However, I don't see much room for more of Sangwaan and would think she's just gone. Unless she pulls a Celia. bajillion gold pieces *THUNK*. Or something. Vote: Dead. Killed in defense of their future. :smallfrown:

[Threeshades]

She might get raised again but until then she's dead

[Baalzebub]

She is so dead now... a Diviner that survives the bite of an undead Dragon and the 20d6 falling damage? :smallconfused: no way.

[SteveMB]

Joined the bleedin' choir invisible. This is an ex-seer!

[FeralAscendant]

Well if she can cast True Seeing she is one of the following minimum:

level 9 cleric
level 13 druid
level 11 Wiz/Sorc

Assuming she has an average Con (10) and no special feats to increase her hp she has the following possible hp totals:

Cleric - 48 (8 + 5 per level past first)
Druid - 68 (8 + 5 per level past first)
Wiz/Sorc - 34 (4 + 3 per level past first)

Now assuming the wall that they were fighting on was 200 feet high or taller than she is going to reach terminal velocity on the way down (20d6) which means she will take an average damage of 70.

This doesn't even take into account the damage from the dragon's bite.

Things don't look good for out favorite seer. :smallfrown:

Well maybe she was a particularly tough caster and that was only a 40 foot wall. Just maybe...

[Vampire_Boy]

I have only one question.

...

Who the hell is this Sangwaan you guys keep talking about?

[Deuce]

Things don't look good for out favorite seer. :smallfrown:

Well maybe she was a particularly tough caster and that was only a 40 foot wall. Just maybe...

I'm thinking that a 40 foot wall is much closer to right then a 200 footer. Even if the dragon tossed her upwards on release (which it looks like) I'd accept an 80 to 100 foot fall. Before anyone starts endangering catgirls with a rant about adding velocity of the throw into the falling damage, think back to Miko and the MitD. Miko looked to travel a couple of klicks from her start point, but her survivial would make a lot more sense if the damage was capped at 20d6.

I'm sticking with my quantum answer - dragon could have rolled low on the damage and the dice on the fall may have gone low too. The fall damage could also have been close to max, with the dragon scoring a crit. Bottom line is in Fantasy fiction of any type, they're not even mostly dead until you see a body (with X's for eyes in this case).

(edit - Vampire Boy: she's the diviner tossed by the dragon in 429, name most recently used near the end of 428).

[pendell]

So what do you think, will we be seeing her again?

As far as I'm concerned she's in the box with Schrodinger's cat. We won't know whether she's alive or dead until the Giant opens the box for us.

Respectfully,

Brian P.

[MolotovH]

... so ... how long until we see a Sangwaan Memorial Fan Club? :smallsigh:

[Iry]

I vote dead.

She didn't just take a zombie dragon bite.

She didn't just fall 40+ feet.

She did however land on the 'FRIENDLY' side of the wall.

Heck, maybe she landed on somebody cooshy, or V saw her and cast Feather Fall on her?

Either way, I still vote dead.

[Deuce]

Do we know if she's a arcane or divine caster. If arcane, she might have feather fall.

My gut feeling is Arcane, most likely Wizard specialized in Divination. Really could be either I suppose, but you'd think a Divine caster would put on some sort of armor before a massive battle like this. If she is an Arcane Diviner, the whole Feather Fall option still hangs on what schools she barred. If she can have it, I'd think it would be a good choice for a battle where you are planning to start on top of a wall.

[Duffren]

I bet shes dead. She got bit by a Dragon and chucked off the wall, most people dont live through something like that. Plus, I cant see any further use for her now that Xykon is revealed.

[Mangangatha]

Sangwaan is dead?! Noooo!

Yes, she is. Just like that drunk wizard who wanted to be a baker.

Poor Azure City would make a poor magocracy.

[Andvare]

And to continue the over-analysis that is so wonderfully rampant here in this forum, she isn't dead when she flies through the air (no X.X for eyes, which can be seen through her blindfold).
Doesn't mean she's alive though, although I'd say the bite did more dam. than the fall.

[Bel_Bel]

I say that she's probably dead, but if Giant needed her, he could just say she casted "Feather Fall", but otherwise, I think we can assume she is dead.

[Jukashi]

Everyone knows the only way that prophets and seers can die is when they see something that they shouldn't have, shout something cryptically horrific like "I cannot see beyond my own fate! And that fate is... oh gods, the terrible nostrils! Noooooo!" and then promptly run off the edge of a cliff.

So, she isn't dead.

[Kalir]

If she is an Arcane Diviner, the whole Feather Fall option still hangs on what schools she barred.

That'd be school, singular. Diviners only lose one school due to the complete lack of offensive power or something of divination.

Although to be able to cast True Seeing means they'd probably have access to Feather Fall (at the least) and the dragon bite didn't do her in, I'm wagering that the total fear of "Oh merciful donkey spleen I've just seen a lich riding a zombie dragon and it's biting me and now I'm falling" might keep her from maintaining the forethought to cast Feather Fall. Still, I'm thinking there's a good chance for her to live. Falling damage means nothing to a respectable wizard (even a diviner).

[Bluelantern]

Forget about the rules, she is a NPC the laws of dramatic phisics dictates that she is dead, at beast, she is with negative HP and unable to help
and if she is with negative HP she will be killed for good when the army enters the city If it was PC who as attacked it woul be in the end of the strip and in the next one we would see her falling and managing to survive.

[Innis Cabal]

dead....damage is against her

[Shawnis]

She is so dead now... a Diviner that survives the bite of an undead Dragon and the 20d6 falling damage? :smallconfused: no way.
I think the actual fall wouldn't matter. I think she is dead from the bite itself and dead before she hits the ground.

[V Junior]

Not dead, but not alive either. At least, not until the Giant says otherwise.

Although... what's her level? She MAY have a chance. Even if she can't cast Feather Fall.

[Sutremaine]

She could turn up again, without any comment other than 'huh. Guess the ability to walk away from a hundred-foot fall isn't just for PCs'.

The dragon bite didn't kill her outright and it looks as though her True Seeing is still active as she's falling, so it's a possibility. On the other hand, battle is joined now and the plot importance of a diviner has passed.

[Oxymoron]

Sangwaans chances of survival:

Bitten by a zombie dragon: Good
Falling to the ground: Slim
Trampled by an army of hobgoblins: Dead

[Ave]

There is a chance, high level clerics got damage reduction spells.
Or possibly magic item to defend from falling.
That single grapple attack didn't kill her for sure.
If she uses only divination magic, she is dead from the fall, that's sure.

[fangthane]

There's no reason to expect her necessarily to be dead, nor to have taken much more than 4d6 of falling damage, tops. Assuming the walls are to scale in the panoramic views, they're about 40 feet high*. She could very easily be alive, especially if she also has tumbling - and we've already seen that Azure City's NPC character sheets are full of surprises.

The zombie dragon seems unlikely to be dealing more than about 20-ish points of damage or thereabouts (2d8+10 including zombie bonus assuming it was a mature adult) and the fall should only deal somewhere between 11 (assuming tumbling) and 15 points of damage. And of course she fell inside** the walls, so the hobgoblin horde can't have their way with her just yet.

*although if this is the case they've got to be VERY strongly enhanced by magic; per the rules of D&D they'd have to be roughly as thick at the base as they are tall, and there's no way even an enlarged pikeman could reach through the way V's troops did.
**assuming, of course, that the positioning of the crenellations is visually accurate, and hey, Rich is an art grad.

[Kaerou]

One thing of note:

She did fall on the friendly side of the wall: look at Belkars position, we're looking at the fling from the bad side of the wall.

If she has feather fall, she'll hopefully be okay.

If she's alive depends on plot convenience:

She needed to be away so that the PC's didnt have the option of an arcane caster for this and the next few strips. After that she may be plot-useful again.

[Woot Spitum]

A Diviner. Which means getting tossed by the dragon was foreseen and planned for. I can see it now: Hobgoblin1-Why did we put these inflatable mattresses here? Hobgoblin2-I had a vision...cookies were mentioned...Wow! What are the odds that a blind wizard would land right on the mattresses and teleport away? Hobgoblin1-*shrugs*.

[Haruki-kun]

She's way too cool to be dead

[Tokiko Mima]

She's alive.

(A) If you get a close up of her in the distance you can see her eyes are still white, not black X's that would indicate the dragon bite killed her, or blue that would indicate that the True Seeing spell stopped functioning due to her death.

(B) Feather fall is an immediate action. It can be performed at any time, even when it's not your turn. At any point during her flight, Sangwaan can cast it, and she doesn't need any amount of time to do so.

The only reason I could see for her to die would be for her to not have taken the Feather Fall spell onto her spell list/book, and to elicit a crack about 'Well, she should have seen that one coming.'

[Innis Cabal]

of course she is dead, 20d6 points of falling damage....fleshy mage body, doubt she has feather fall.....if she does live it wont be long until her badly broken body is trampled under 1000 goblin feet

[Saithis Bladewing]

I have only one question.

...

Who the hell is this Sangwaan you guys keep talking about?

Assuming you're being serious and not MitD, she's the female diviner serving Lord Shojo who was just chewed up by an invisible dragon.

[Tokiko Mima]

of course she is dead, 20d6 points of falling damage....fleshy mage body, doubt she has feather fall.....if she does live it wont be long until her badly broken body is trampled under 1000 goblin feet

She fell into Azure City, not outside where the hobgoblin army is.

[Fighteer]

1) It's an ancient silver dragon. This has already been established in the official discussion thread. It's also not a classic zombie template creature, since animate dead doesn't work on creatures over 10 HD. Thus, it's a special undead type that retains many (or all) of its in-life abilities.

2) The Snatch (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/monsterFeats.htm#snatch) ability causes the greater of [1d6]d6 damage or falling damage when the affected creature is thrown.

3) An ancient silver dragon's (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/monsters/dragonTrue.htm#silverDragon) bite attack inflicts 4d6+12 (16-36) damage, assuming that its special undead state doesn't increase its Strength score.

4) It is clear from the fact that her eyes are not "X"ed out that she is not dead or unconscious after the dragon's bite. Thus, she has positive hit points prior to being flung.

The absolute minimum Sangwaan can take from this little experience is 16 (bite) + 1 (10-foot throw/fall) = 17 points. The maximum she can take is 36 (bite) + 120 (200-foot fall) = 156. Playing the averages gives us 26 bite damage, and let's guess at a 60-foot fall/throw, for an average of 21 damage. 47 damage is greater than the average hit points of a mid-level wizard(diviner), so she should be dead or dying at this point.

Whether a specialist NPC diviner would have Feather Fall memorized and remember to cast it in time to avoid plummeting to her death is a question that is unanswerable in the present time, however. The Giant could have depicted her rent limb from limb, or swallowed whole. The fact that he chose to have her thrown away creates at least a small chance that she could come back later... or be tragically found dead after the battle is over and mourned by all and sundry. Thus, I vote for the quantum state.

Although I rather like the idea that she had a huge pile of pillows stacked in the courtyard in preparation for this moment, with a pouch of healing potions conveniently nearby.

[Vale]

1) It's an ancient silver dragon. This has already been established in the official discussion thread. It's also not a classic zombie template creature, since animate dead doesn't work on creatures over 10 HD. Thus, it's a special undead type that retains many (or all) of its in-life abilities.

Please :smallfrown: quit saying that everyone!

(shameless copy/pasting from my earlier post (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2235556#post2235556))
Redcloak DID use Animate Dead.

You can see it all in comic 300 (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0300.html).
Xykon walks up to talk to Redcloak, while RC is casting Animate Dead (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/spells/animateDead.htm) on a large grey veiny corpse. A few minutes later, you see a translucent wing sticking out of the corner of the frame. A minute after that, Xykon is riding a large grey veiny zombie dragon with translucent wings. I think it's a fairly safe bet that's what RC was zombifying.

And I believe that the limit you were talking about in Animate Dead is this one:


*Regardless of the type of undead you create with this spell, you can’t create more HD of undead than twice your caster level with a single casting of animate dead. (The desecrate (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/spells/desecrate.htm) spell doubles this limit)

[/QUOTE]

He has a caster level of over 3 right? :smalltongue: Summoning the Ti elementals seems to suggest he's at least level 15. Maybe higher.
So Animate Dead plus Desecrate could yeild a fairly respectable zombie dragon.

[Angela Christine]

We don't know how far she fell vertically. Only the vertical fall counts, right? It looks like she was swatted into the city.

http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0260.html
http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0392.html

It looks like there are a lot of buildings inside the city that are nearly as tall as the walls, and at least a few that are even taller. If she lands on a roof, she may only have fallen 10 or 20 feet vertically.

[SteveMB]

Although I rather like the idea that she had a huge pile of pillows stacked in the courtyard in preparation for this moment
Or perhaps a large pot of soup (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0279.html)....

[Assassinfox]

Or perhaps a large pot of soup (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0279.html)....

Diviner Drop Soup! Doesn't have the same ring to it, though...

[Tussy the Druid]

She's dead or on the brink of death like Shojo when he said, "It appears not everyone agrees with your analysis."

[WarriorTribble]

Imo assuming she's arcane I'd say she has feather fall simply because her lack of eyesight makes life too risky to not have it. As for her condition... I like her so I'll stay in a pertetual state of denial until we see a funeral.

[slayerx]

One thing i don't get is why so many poeple keep assuming it's 20d6 falling damage... i know 20d6 is the max damage you can take in a fall, butthat wall does not look even close to 200 ft... looks more like 50ft or so, which would be significantly less damage.

[Fighteer]

(shameless copy/pasting from my earlier post (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2235556#post2235556))
Redcloak DID use Animate Dead.

You can see it all in comic 300 (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0300.html).
Xykon walks up to talk to Redcloak, while RC is casting Animate Dead (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/spells/animateDead.htm) on a large grey veiny corpse. A few minutes later, you see a translucent wing sticking out of the corner of the frame. A minute after that, Xykon is riding a large grey veiny zombie dragon with translucent wings. I think it's a fairly safe bet that's what RC was zombifying.

And I believe that the limit you were talking about in Animate Dead is this one:

Actually I'm talking about this one (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/monsters/zombie.htm).


Hit Dice
Drop any Hit Dice from class levels (to a minimum of 1), double the number of Hit Dice left, and raise them to d12s. If the base creature has more than 10 Hit Dice (not counting those gained with experience), it can’t be made into a zombie with the animate dead spell.
It does suggest that Redcloak broke the rules, though. The oldest silver dragon that animate dead would be capable of affecting would be a very young one (10 HD), which wouldn't be capable of carrying Xykon in battle.

What's more, the descriptions of create undead and create greater undead don't seem to allow the necessary leeway for zombifying a dragon. They are very explicit as to the types of undead they create.

The gist of the matter is that someone broke the rules. Still not sure who, though.

Oh, and...

One thing i don't get is why so many poeple keep assuming it's 20d6 falling damage... i know 20d6 is the max damage you can take in a fall, butthat wall does not look even close to 200 ft... looks more like 50ft or so, which would be significantly less damage.
20d6 is the max. Of course she could have taken less; see my post.

[Vale]

Eh? Seems odd they don't list that in the spell description, and instead give a different limiting thing.

Oh well.

Also seems odd to me that further down on your page there's a:


Gray Render Zombie
Size/type: Large Undead
Hit Dice: 20d12+3 (133 hp)
etc...

Isn't 20d12+3 more than 10 HD? :smallconfused:

Apparently I need to go play D&D again, it's been too many years and I've lost the ability to read a manual :smalltongue:

[Tokiko Mima]

Eh? Seems odd they don't list that in the spell description, and instead give a different limiting thing.

Oh well.

Also seems odd to me that further down on your page there's a:


Isn't 20d12+3 more than 10 HD? :smallconfused:

Apparently I need to go play D&D again, it's been too many years and I've lost the ability to read a manual :smalltongue:

Wierd.. that 20d12+3 has to be a misprint or something. I dunno how a gray render gains 10 HD from becoming a zombie. Normally they only have 10 HD, as seen here: Gray Render (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/monsters/grayRender.htm)

Edit: Ah! Question answered: In some cases, you double the zombies HD per the section on Zombie advancement.


Advancement

As base creature, but double Hit Dice (maximum 20), or — if the base creature advances by character class.


Though that's stated kinda poorly... how does a Gray Render or Wyvern advance by character class?

[Vale]

And in response, I say that the 10 is a misprint! :smalltongue:

Wyvern zombies have 14d12+3

Apparently the rule wasn't broken by redcloak, just bent. The rule was already rather "flexible" it seems. Besides, the end result is a massively cool zombie dragon. I think that would be a valid use of "awesome > rules" in a campaign.

[Pentegarn]

Back when my gaming group played regularly, we had a term for something that broke conventional rules...

DM Special.

Essentially, the most important rule to every edition of D&D that has ever been or will ever be is the DM has final say over everything. So, if the DM says there is an over 10 HD silver dragon zombie being ridden by a lich, then there is an over 10 HD silver dragon zombie being ridden by a lich.

[slayerx]

... so ... how long until we see a Sangwaan Memorial Fan Club? :smallsigh:

I think someone already did...
Last night i said i though she deserved a fan club, and the low and behold someone had her in their sig... not sure who though


20d6 is the max. Of course she could have taken less; see my post.
ya i know... it's just that quite a few poeple are saying that's fairly definatly what kind of damage she took, not even leaving open the option that the fall was much shorter... but cosidering how high the wall appears to be, 200ft should barly be conisdered... i'd say that it definatly looks to be no higher than 100ft. Really if poeple are gonna guess, they should use more realistic averages, not ones that seem blantantly off.

[Fighteer]

I'm going to quote the SRD again...


Hit Dice
Drop any Hit Dice from class levels (to a minimum of 1), double the number of Hit Dice left, and raise them to d12s. If the base creature has more than 10 Hit Dice (not counting those gained with experience), it can’t be made into a zombie with the animate dead spell.

You double the base Hit Dice of the creature when adding the zombie template. A 10 HD creature (the max you can raise as a zombie) would become a 20 HD zombie.

As for advancement, gaining base HD is considered a fundamental part of the creature. Gaining class levels is not. The zombie template doubles HD gained through advancement (and these count towards the cap as well), but completely wipes out class levels.

To reiterate, animate dead can raise at most a 10 HD creature as a zombie, not counting class levels. Said creature becomes a 20 HD zombie.

[Mnemosyne]

Any blind Diviner who doesn't have feather fall is an idiot. And I'm pretty sure Sangwaan is not an idiot, based on her earlier appearances, so given the fact that her eyes aren't X-ed out I think she's alive (for now).

[Bluesilver]

Unfortunatly(SP), dead.:smallfrown:

[Luklan]

It's possible Rich has the Draconomicon, so he's actually applying the Zombie Dragon template to a zombie >>

It's not part of the SRD as far as I know, so I'll just quote straight from the book. (nor do I know if the Draconomicon is 3.5 or not... Or if the Comic has to stick that close to the rules :p)


A zombie dragon is created by use of the animate dead spell or by a vampiric dragon.

Also, Zombie Dragons do not gain a bonus to strength for becoming zombie dragons. If anything, being undead actually makes the creature weaker. Challenge Rating = Base Dragon CR x 1/2 +1 (minimum of 2)

---

On topic though... I say she's Schroedinger's Diviner until later notice

[Bluefin]

I certainly hope she's not dead. At least she landed inside azure city where people could heal/resurrect her.

[Chrismith]

You forgot an option. Sangwaan is...... Thog!

*runs*

[Saithis Bladewing]

You forgot an option. Sangwaan is...... Thog!

*runs*

*Casually unloads clip of tranquilizer darts fired from an assault rifle into Chrismith's back.*

Thog is dead. Now you will be too. I gift you to the dark gods.

*Sacrifices Chrismith.*

On a more relevant note, I think that she's in the quantum state but likely dead. We won't find out whether she's alive or not anytime soon methinks.

[MReav]

You forgot an option. Sangwaan is...... Thog!

*runs*

Run my pretty little chunk of XP, run!!

[Vox]

She's way too cool to be dead

Amen, brother! Preach it!

Incidentally, IS there a fanclub for everyone's favorite blind diviner?

If not, someone should found one...and not a "memorial" fanclub, either, although the name could change to that *if* she is confirmed dead.

Remember....Sangwaan Lives!

[MReav]

Amen, brother! Preach it!

Incidentally, IS there a fanclub for everyone's favorite blind diviner?

Is there not a fanclub for anyone? Especially someone whose been in more than a panel?

[Fighteer]

It's possible Rich has the Draconomicon, so he's actually applying the Zombie Dragon template to a zombie >>

It's not part of the SRD as far as I know, so I'll just quote straight from the book. (nor do I know if the Draconomicon is 3.5 or not... Or if the Comic has to stick that close to the rules :p)

Also, Zombie Dragons do not gain a bonus to strength for becoming zombie dragons. If anything, being undead actually makes the creature weaker. Challenge Rating = Base Dragon CR x 1/2 +1 (minimum of 2)

---

On topic though... I say she's Schroedinger's Diviner until later notice
I believe this is correct too. Rich never said he wouldn't use non-SRD material in his game... er comic. The dragon that Xykon is riding is a Zombie Dragon created with the Draconomicon template, not the standard SRD zombie template. No other interpretation of the rules make sense.

Which, incidentally, is irrelevant to the subject of Sangwaan's survival, since the dragon still has its bite attack (one presumes), and apparently retains its Snatch feat as well, the combination of which renders the poor diviner's likely fate quite grim.

We can but hope.

[Kreistor]

Sangwaan is dead because Azure City is about to become a ruin along with the Sapphire Guard, so her services wouldn't be necessary any longer.

[Icewalker]

Definitely dead or almost dead from the bite and fall, but if dead definitely about to be resurrected.

I like the pile of pillows readied in the courtyard thing, but that would mean she saw the whole thing coming and would have known about Xykon beforehand right? Unless you can determine you will be thrown off the walls but not by what, but I dunno how you'd get that.

[archon_huskie]

Untill I see XX over her eyes, she goes under assumed in my tally in my sig.

[416365416c]

I think she isn't dead. There are all sorts of ways that she could survive(and she only needs one), most of which have been listed in this thread already. And if you go through named characters too quickly the readers have to learn a lot of names, which should be avoided:smallwink:.

[Swordguy]

...toast...

[Jayabalard]

Well if she can cast True Seeing she is one of the following minimum:

level 9 cleric
level 13 druid
level 11 Wiz/Sorc

Assuming she has an average Con (10) and no special feats to increase her hp she has the following possible hp totals:

Cleric - 48 (8 + 5 per level past first)
Druid - 68 (8 + 5 per level past first)
Wiz/Sorc - 34 (4 + 3 per level past first)

Now assuming the wall that they were fighting on was 200 feet high or taller than she is going to reach terminal velocity on the way down (20d6) which means she will take an average damage of 70.

This doesn't even take into account the damage from the dragon's bite.

Things don't look good for out favorite seer. :smallfrown:

Well maybe she was a particularly tough caster and that was only a 40 foot wall. Just maybe...she's wearing a robe rather than any sort of armor, so I'd say not a cleric or a bard.

You can see the whites of her eyes through the blindfold after she casts true seeing; her eyes don't become X's as she's chomped so it's likely that she wasn't killed by the dragon's chomp.

If you're right about the possible classes, then she's a wiz/sorc, and if she was planning on being on top of a really high wall all day, she likely has featherfall readied, no?

So it's quite possible that she survived.

But until we see her either dead or alive, she's in a quantum state, neither dead or alive.

[Tetik]

I want to see her alive still, but I'm having quite a few doubts about her being alive anymore. Although, I suppose it would be possible to resurrect her.

Eh, I guess we will find out soon enough.

[Tokiko Mima]

Has there been another occurance where a named character in OotS was killed off panel and simply never shown again? I am going to assume she's alive until I see her specifically dead. A lot of times in this comic, creatures have been shown in situations that would most certainly result in death, but show up later alive anyway (See Roy's triggering of the trap here (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0036.html)). Obviously, Roy didn't die because he's a main character as well, my point is that there just aren't many examples of off panel deaths in OotS. So I think that it's a fair assumption that until you see a corpse, Sangwaan is alive.

[Vox]

Has there been another occurance where a named character in OotS was killed off panel and simply never shown again? I am going to assume she's alive until I see her specifically dead. A lot of times in this comic, creatures have been shown in situations that would most certainly result in death, but show up later alive anyway (See Roy's triggering of the trap here (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0036.html)). Obviously, Roy didn't die because he's a main character as well, my point is that there just aren't many examples of off panel deaths in OotS. So I think that it's a fair assumption that until you see a corpse, Sangwaan is alive.

I could scarcely have said it better myself.

Granted, I may not be the most unbiased observer........

(Founding member of the Sangwaan fanclub. Sangwaan never dies!)

......but, still.

Sangwaan Lives!

[Vale]

I've always been curious about that episode actually. There's already a skeleton in the trap, and I've long wondered if it was some other adventurer, or just a random goblin who forgot that this is the Door That Must Never Be Opened.

[Deuce]

I've always been curious about that episode actually. There's already a skeleton in the trap, and I've long wondered if it was some other adventurer, or just a random goblin who forgot that this is the Door That Must Never Be Opened.

More like one of several goblins Xykon sent to test the door to make sure the trap was working properly.

[Tredrick]

Sangwaan, being a diviner, has positioned a large pile of extra soft mattresses at the exact position she is going to land. She will land on the top one, roll to the bottom and land on her feet next to a potion of Cure Serious Wounds.

Divining has its advantages.