Epic Sandbox> Level 30

[TheWarBlade]

Well I am a pretty fair DnD player but I suck at those uberchars...

The rules are as follows:

Any books

Any creatures except Devils, demons and dragons

Must have classes

Buy stuff for 4300000 GP

Give me your best shot!

[storybookknight]

Probably this belongs in Homebrew?

[brian c]

Probably this belongs in Homebrew?

Well, if he's just asking someone to build him a character within the current RAW that's not homebrew. WarBlade, is that what you're asking for?

[TheWarBlade]

Well, if he's just asking someone to build him a character within the current RAW that's not homebrew. WarBlade, is that what you're asking for?

Quite so just the standard rules

[Darion]

Expert 30. Max your intelligence and your Craft: Basketweaving skills. Take Skill focus (and Epic skill focus) Craft:BasketWeaving. Maybe do the same for Profession: Weaver.

You'll be one bad-#@$%-basket-making-machine!

...or you could give some more information besides "make me an uber-char, please"...

[Dairun Cates]

Expert 30. Max your intelligence and your Craft: Basketweaving skills. Take Skill focus (and Epic skill focus) Craft:BasketWeaving. Maybe do the same for Profession: Weaver.

You'll be one bad-#@$%-basket-making-machine!

...or you could give some more information besides "make me an uber-char, please"...

See, and with those other skill points, you max out your bluff skill and convince the big bad evil lich that they're really an artifact of power that can destroy him with a small crushing of your hand. I like this idea.

[Bears With Lasers]

http://www.toadking.com/6x9=42/fail.jpg

[Indon]

Expert 30. Max your intelligence and your Craft: Basketweaving skills. Take Skill focus (and Epic skill focus) Craft:BasketWeaving. Maybe do the same for Profession: Weaver.

You'll be one bad-#@$%-basket-making-machine!

...or you could give some more information besides "make me an uber-char, please"...

I've got one.

Generic Warrior 30. Take nothing but Favored Enemy class features with your bonus feats, boost the original favored enemy with each additional +2. Buy some Bane weapons. Take Leadership to get a Ranger follower.

Then, hunt down anything of <Enter Type you have at least +21 favored enemy bonus against> and just kill the bajeesus out of it.

Edit: Oh, also, take as many Improved Favored Enemy feats as you can (not counting how many you could take). You're eligible after what, 8'th level? Or can you not take Epic feats until you're Epic level even if you match the reqs?

[ravenkith]

If there's one thing I know about epic, it's that you want to play a caster. Probably a wizard.

I'd coonsider using:
Abjurer
Master Specialist
Abjurant Champion
Initiate of the Sevenfold Veil
Archmage

[Nahal]

Just go full caster. See this (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=18500) thread for ideas on building a wizard, then pick your classes and boom. Wizard5/Incantatrix (http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/ex/20010803)10/Archmage5/Loremaster10 could be fun, just be aware you're going to have a weak familiar (or don't bother getting one) and make sure to pick up epic spellcasting.


Edit: I'd forgotten about IotSV. they are like stilton that has been left outdoors for three weeks. But powerful? Oh heck yes.

[TheWarBlade]

Thanks guys!

[ravenkith]

IOT7FV is pretty cheesy, but I like it in an abjuration-heavy build.

At epic, I can only imagine that being able to counteract the effects of magic becomes even more important (I've never played at those lofty heights myself).

Plus, if you can work it in, there is absolutely NO reason not to take abjurant champion in any wizard build, as far as I can see. If you're a specialist at all, Master specialist is also a no-brainer...

[Emperor Tippy]

Meh. Play a wizard and get epic spell casting. That is all you need. After that you can make yourself immune to every spell lower than 9th level and any epic caster has to make an opposed CL check against you to affect you with epic level spells.

Get another spell for physical immunity and your golden. Or just create a perfect being and an epic true mind switch so that you can have a character with 500 Str, Dex, Con, and anything else you want.

[TheWarBlade]

Or just create a perfect being and an epic true mind switch so that you can have a character with 500 Str, Dex, Con, and anything else you want.


I would like to know more

[Ramza00]

Incantatrix 10
Innate of the Sevenfold veil (for defense)
Epic Incantatrix (Its in pgtf, if you are using 3.0 incantatrix the epic incantatrix for that version is on the website as an enhancement).

Epic Incantatrix is pretty much the best epic prc there is.

Take the Epic Feat Improved Metamagic 3 times (lvl 27, 30 feet and your Incantatrix lvl 16 feet). This with the Incantatrix 10th lvl ability improved metamagic means metamagic of +4 and under are free thus free quickens twins and energy admixtures. Multispell, Epic Spellcasting, and Improved Spell Capacity for your other epic feats.

Shapechange+9th lvl spells+Epic Spellcasting and all this other stuff make you a god effectively.

[bosssmiley]

Epic Incantatrix (Its in pgtf, if you are using 3.0 incantatrix the epic incantatrix for that version is on the website as an enhancement).

Got a link there please Ramza00? I've been noodling around the WotC site in search of official epic incantatrix bearded cheese (the DiceFreaks version is too rich for my blood!), but no joy. :smallfrown:

edit: Ah ha! Epic Incantatrix: http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/ei/20020915a
*meh* I'd take 10 levels in Arcane Lord.

[ocato]

L30 bard, permanently alter self into a 9 year old blonde girl and use greater shout on every single thing you ever see ever again.

And just watch your DM's jaw drop

[ocato]

Or a L30 druid who likes to wildshape into the biggest fire elemental you can manage and just grapple/hug everyone to death.

FRIEND! BE MY FRIENNNNNNND!

Uh oh, I hugged my new friend too hard :smalleek:

[marjan]

lvl 30 Commoner. Though you may come to point being unable to explain how he earned that much XP.:smalltongue:

[Illiterate Scribe]

An epic illithid savant would just freak me out.

Sure, you can get 9th level divine, arcane, and psionic casting, but ...


the worst bit is the divine ranks that you can extract from Abominations.

Divine Ranks + Epic Leadership + Legendary Commander = ~DR8, if I recall correctly.

[Daze]

lvl 30 Commoner. Though you may come to point being unable to explain how he earned that much XP.:smalltongue:
Lots and lots of ale? *shrugs* Hmm..one arm lift per minute... time 6 hours a day.. 1 XP per lift... what, 20, 30 years maybe? Although Cirrosis would have to be taken as some sort of flaw I suppose...

[marjan]

Although Cirrosis would have to be taken as some sort of flaw I suppose...
Find a Cleric with Remove Desease and that shouldn't be a problem.

[Ramza00]

Got a link there please Ramza00? I've been noodling around the WotC site in search of official epic incantatrix bearded cheese (the DiceFreaks version is too rich for my blood!), but no joy. :smallfrown:

edit: Ah ha! Epic Incantatrix: http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/ei/20020915a
*meh* I'd take 10 levels in Arcane Lord.

That is the 3.0 version (Magic of Faerun is 3.0) Players Guide to Faerun is the 3.5 version. They are vastily different pre-epic, identical epic if I recall maybe one or two feats off what you can choose as a epic bonus feat.

Arcane Lord isn't a good epic prestige class. It gets bonus feats once every six levels and those bonus feats must be on metamagic. Incantatrix is once every three levels. The thing about epic lvl is epic feats are that good. The rest of the Arcane Lord abilities are kinda meh.

[Daze]

Find a Cleric with Remove Desease and that shouldn't be a problem.

remove disease or replace organ? Heh, Ok I"ll stop now...

[marjan]

remove disease or replace organ? Heh, Ok I"ll stop now...

Regeneration... and the list goes on.

[Daze]

Regeneration... and the list goes on. Although, it begs the question as to why a commoner would have any such spells... he obviously couldnt afford to buy one from a priest/cleric either after squandering away his coppers in the local ale house...

I am totally intrigued by the idea of a 30th lev commoner :)

[marjan]

Well he may earned it by wining many Ale-drinking Competitions throughout the the Realms and Planes. Maybe his epic battles involved drinking competition with the Balor to death. And he won.

[bosssmiley]

That is the 3.0 version (Magic of Faerun is 3.0) Players Guide to Faerun is the 3.5 version. They are vastly different pre-epic, identical epic if I recall maybe one or two feats off what you can choose as a epic bonus feat.

Aaaaah. 2 versions of the class, and - from what little I hear - it seems the 3.5 Incantatrix does roughly whatever the heck it likes with metamagic (hence Logic Ninja's assertion that it's the 3.5 arcane caster uberclass).

I'd only seen the MoF version and was distinctly "huh?" about the powergaming potential of it. I hereby retract my prior n00bish opinion unreservedly. :smallredface:

[Jewish_Joke]

Am I the only one not taking notice of Legendary Dreadnought? Break a wall of force ftw!

[NullAshton]

I like Guardian Paramount myself. A free true ressurection every DAY? Yes please.

[Daze]

Well he may earned it by wining many Ale-drinking Competitions throughout the the Realms and Planes. Maybe his epic battles involved drinking competition with the Balor to death. And he won.

Now that would be something... perhaps he's obtained the artifact Mug of Endless Bubbles for his trouble? Ring of Bodily Function Supression would be a must too... oh, the possibilities...

[kamikasei]

Methinks we need a "Planar Sot" prestige class for commoners. Special ability to surround yourself with a planar bubble, but only to the Quasielemental Planes of Wine, Ale, Stout or Spirits.

[Daze]

Methinks we need a "Planar Sot" prestige class for commoners. Special ability to surround yourself with a planar bubble, but only to the Quasielemental Planes of Wine, Ale, Stout or Spirits.

Now we're getting somehwere! Might I suggest the quasi-elementals be beer, wine, spirit and grog? Further seperation along the lines is possible because each elemental has seperate bases... specialization would then be possible. Say one Planar Sot of the more northern realms may have ale, cabernet, whiskey and distilled redfruit as his protective bubbles, while a more southern commoner of the Sot variety had lager, pinot, rum and distilled pineapple type arrangement? Would allow for some customization I think?

[Mewtarthio]

Well he may earned it by wining many Ale-drinking Competitions throughout the the Realms and Planes. Maybe his epic battles involved drinking competition with the Balor to death. And he won.

Quite a feat, given that Balors are immune to poisons (which psychotropic substances are modelled as) and would probably evaporate all the ale with their supernatural fire anyway.

[GunMage]

You could always make a character with two and eight-elevenths of every class in the player's handbook a la Goblins

[Ramza00]

Illithid 8 HD
Illithid Savant 10 Levels
X 2 (Must have 20 HD before you can take an epic prestige class)
Epic Illithid Savant 3

Now you can do alot of things with Illithid Savant 13
http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/ei/20030608a
Remember you have Acquire class feature 4, acquire special 3, Acquire feat 5, acquire skill 5, Lore at will. Probably one of the best uses though is eating the brain of an ethereal doppleganger and getting its Assume Identity (Su). Now with the assume identity dominate monsters and convince your party members to allow you to memorize their likeness, they lose nothing besides about a day where you learn about them. Afterwards you can assume their form at will. You lose your own abilities during this time but you gain all of their abilities, and I mean all of them. (Only exception to this rule is diety granted abilities such as cleric and paladin). Sure its a use of an ability but you always have a backup plan/ability double any party member/monster you have fought instantly besides equipment.

Now how the hell does etheral doppleganger and multiple forms work with resting and arcane spells? How about with Heward's Fortifying Bedroll?

Also stealing a ability and not a class ability from a monster which has spellcasting (such as a solar) will give you all the spells instead of just 1+Bonus spells.

Remember with Epic you do things like this

When your ECL reaches 21, you begin using epic experience tables and epic wealth guidelines.
When you have 21 total HD, you may begin gaining epic feats.
When you have 21 character levels, you begin using the epic base attack bonus and save progressions. Note that racial HD are not included in this calculation--they do not use epic attack and save progressions.
When you have 21 levels in a particular class, you begin using the appropriate epic class progression.
When you have 20 total HD, including 10 levels in a prestige class, you may begin gaining epic levels in that prestige class.

[marjan]

Quite a feat, given that Balors are immune to poisons (which psychotropic substances are modelled as) and would probably evaporate all the ale with their supernatural fire anyway.

Minor details. And what kind of epic battle would it be without poison immunity.

[Quietus]

I like Guardian Paramount myself. A free true ressurection every DAY? Yes please.

I have a 30th level character (Casts as Psion[Nomad]27/Cleric27), who can cast quickened true ressurection for free, once for every 9th level cleric slot he's got. And casts 4 quickened spells a turn. Ignore material components is a beautiful thing, and we have a houserule that every characters a special, signature ability at 20th level and every multiple of 10 after. My 30th ability was "Quicken Anything" - allows me to apply my Quicken Spell feat (And thus, my Automatic Quicken) to ALL my spells, regardless of casting time.


As for the drinking contest; Commoner10/Drunken Master20. Convince your DM to let you take all kinds of epic feats that continue to increase your damage with improvised weapons, as well as taking Monkey Grip, and Weild Oversized Weapon. Then pick up the nearest cattle/bison/elephant/truck/train/house and hit something with it, after drinking yourself into a stupor.

[daggaz]

I like Guardian Paramount myself. A free true ressurection every DAY? Yes please.

Heh, you plan on dying a lot?

[Quietus]

It wouldn't help him if HE kept dying, it's just in case his friends do. Clearly.