non optimized pally looking for PrC

[Tindragon]

I should have the full stats later tonight, but a group member has a non opt Human Pally of Heironeous, we just leveled to 6th, and he is looking at the nothing left in pally from here out. We're in a planar campaign, based (mostly) out of Sigil. Our group is melee heavy, and he was planning on taking Leadership for a Cleric cohort. (He has been the party healer to this point).

Are there any PrCs for Pally, or something he could dip cleric to qualify for, that could help our situation?

The other 3 in party are dwarf ftr, half elf ranger (ranged) and elf swashbuckler (then my grey elf conjuror/master specialist)

Thanks

[Kelb_Panthera]

Fist of raziel from the BoED turns the paladin's smite up to 12. That's always an option.

Gray guard from complete scoundrel can take it the other way and leans pretty heavily on the lay on hands ability.

Ruby knight vindicator from Tome of Battle is a fan favorite after a crusader dip and takes the warrior aspect beyond the pale.

If you can get the DM to waive the racial requirement on halfling outrider you can do a supermount build by dipping into beastmaster; complete warrior and complete adventurer, respectively. Or if you don't want to be quite that intense with it cavalier from complete warrior is a little bit more sane-looking to the average DM.

Nothing comes immediately to mind for pimping a paladin's spellcasting, unfortunately.

[Venger]

Nothing comes immediately to mind for pimping a paladin's spellcasting, unfortunately.

Sword of the arcane order lets you cast wizard spells in your pally slots. combo that with battle blessing and you're tossing around worthwhile spls as swifts and not just stuff like resurgence.

[Xerlith]

Okay, so how does your group feel about the retraining rules from the PHB2? We can work with what we have, but at least the feats and skillpoints would need to be moved around. Also, what did the poor soul ever do to you to be forced into a healing role? I mean, wands of Lesser Vigor are 750gp apiece.

[(Un)Inspired]

Sword of the arcane order lets you cast wizard spells in your pally slots. combo that with battle blessing and you're tossing around worthwhile spls as swifts and not just stuff like resurgence.


Very true, but if he's playing a paladin that wasn't built specifically to use SotAO then the MADness will be so great his player will be driven to madness.

[Faily]

There is always Pious Templar too, which will give Mettle for one-level dip and progressed Smite.

Fist of Raziel as mentioned above is also a very solid class for Paladins who want to deal the pain.

Since he's a Heironeous Paladin, there is also Shadowstriker in Complete Champion which is a 3-level PrC that will progress Smite, and give some nifty damage-dealing abilities. It's also very easy to qualify for since it only requires one Feat amongst a selection of Feats that are already decent choices (must have one of Law Devotion, War Devotion, Healing Devotion, Good Devotion, Protection Devotion, I think it was).

[Petrocorus]

Aforementioned Fist of Raziel and the similar, but also the slightly better to my taste Knight of the Raven (from Ravenloft) are good.

As for casting, he can improves his casting by going Divine Crusader / Ordained Champion / KotR, or Ur-Priest instead of Divine Cruz if you allow it and allow a good adaptation and if he can do with the MADness. Or if you allow Serenity from Dragon Compendium.

Alternatively he can go into arcane casting with Vigilante or Suel Arcanamach, there are way to qualify them for Sublime Chord.

He can keep the Pally casting, but in this case, it's better to improve it with Sword of the Arcane order, as Venger said.

He can also simply dip Sorcerer and go Sorcadin.

In any case, you should let him those feats Holy Mount and Theurgic Mount from DragMag 325 that help with improving the mount and multiclassing, or else the mount will soon become a liability.

You can look into my sig for some inspiration.

[Venger]

Very true, but if he's playing a paladin that wasn't built specifically to use SotAO then the MADness will be so great his player will be driven to madness.

have him look at A-game paladin (http://community.wizards.com/content/forum-topic/3407376) it's pretty fun, nonop, and it doesn't even require leaving pally! see if the DM will let him tweak his stuff around a little, pallies need to be thrown a bone.

[Extra Anchovies]

Shining Blade of Heironeous!

Knight of the Raven = very good. Or, if you want a casting focus, pick up Divine Crusader and dip one level into Contemplative; pick two complementary domains (i.e. at a level where one domain has a crap spell, make sure the other domain has a good spell, or grab a metamagic feat (maybe choose a domain with good buff spells, and take Extend).

[(Un)Inspired]

have him look at A-game paladin (http://community.wizards.com/content/forum-topic/3407376) it's pretty fun, nonop, and it doesn't even require leaving pally! see if the DM will let him tweak his stuff around a little, pallies need to be thrown a bone.

I'm a pretty huge fan of the A-game Paladin and the weekly optimization showcase in general (I wish it was still updated that regularly). I would let him restat his ability scores to get the Int that he needs but lots of DMs wont let you redo that sort of thing mid-adventure.


Shining Blade of Heironeous!



How dare you sir!

[Petrocorus]

Knight of the Raven = very good. Or, if you want a casting focus, pick up Divine Crusader and dip one level into Contemplative; pick two complementary domains (i.e. at a level where one domain has a crap spell, make sure the other domain has a good spell, or grab a metamagic feat (maybe choose a domain with good buff spells, and take Extend).

Speaking of Domains, here (http://home.comcast.net/~ftm3/ASMoNM/domains.html)'s a quite exhaustive list.

Spell Domain is always good for a DCruz, thanks to Anyspell. The Summoner Domain is full of Summon Monster, Planar Ally and Gate. Travel is very good too.

Look for the deities expanded domain list (http://www.seankreynolds.com/rpgfiles/we/greyhawkdeities.html) that gives Planning to Heironeous.