Can you level cleric after leveling Urpriest?

[Desiani]

Can you re-cleric if you atone with your god after taking 10 levels of Urpriest and retain your cleric spell casting progression? Since you are 'atoneing' your previous god would return your spells to you... I am assuming this would only work with only evil or extremely lenient neutral gods?

[Red Fel]

I don't think so. Or rather, even if you can, you can't be both. Read the Ur-Priest prereqs. You must either have no ability to cast divine spells, or "that ability is forever forsaken." In other words, as soon as you have the ability to cast divine spells (e.g. from taking Cleric levels) you no longer qualify for Ur-Priest. You can be one or the other.

Now, there are arguments as to whether you can disqualify yourself from PrC levels you've already taken retroactively, but that's a different argument. And here, if nothing else, I think the fluff precludes. The two - divine caster, and Ur-Priest - seem fairly mutually exclusive.

[Urpriest]

Actually, I think it's the other way around. You can continue taking levels of Cleric if you atone. However, those levels will never grant you spellcasting, since one of the prerequisites was forsaking other sources of divine spellcasting forever. Even if you don't have to meet the prerequisites after taking your first Urpriest level, you still met the prerequisites then, which means that you still at some point had forsaken your divine spellcasting forever. The word forever in that sentence doesn't have an exemption for atonement or other effects.

[Red Fel]

Actually, I think it's the other way around. You can continue taking levels of Cleric if you atone. However, those levels will never grant you spellcasting, since one of the prerequisites was forsaking other sources of divine spellcasting forever. Even if you don't have to meet the prerequisites after taking your first Urpriest level, you still met the prerequisites then, which means that you still at some point had forsaken your divine spellcasting forever. The word forever in that sentence doesn't have an exemption for atonement or other effects.

By that logic, could an Ur-Priest go Druid, lose Druid casting but keep all other Druid abilities (namely Wild Shape) and still hold onto Ur-Priest power? Because that could actually be a bit sick.

[Extra Anchovies]

By that logic, could an Ur-Priest go Druid, lose Druid casting but keep all other Druid abilities (namely Wild Shape) and still hold onto Ur-Priest power? Because that could actually be a bit sick.

It seems like they could, actually. I like.

[darksolitaire]

By that logic, could an Ur-Priest go Druid, lose Druid casting but keep all other Druid abilities (namely Wild Shape) and still hold onto Ur-Priest power? Because that could actually be a bit sick.

That seems to work by RAW. I'd let that fly as a DM. It doesn't seem to be all that good, being half druid and half ur-priest instead of straight druid.

[Nightraiderx]

unless you cheesed the druid exception with another prestige class that stacked druid class features as you advanced, then it's a silly way around to being a
godless druid-mancer.

And then I am reminded there is the "Blighter" prestige class that does have the Druid against nature deal.

[Chronos]

Quoth Red Fel:

I don't think so. Or rather, even if you can, you can't be both. Read the Ur-Priest prereqs. You must either have no ability to cast divine spells, or "that ability is forever forsaken." In other words, as soon as you have the ability to cast divine spells (e.g. from taking Cleric levels) you no longer qualify for Ur-Priest. You can be one or the other.
The problem with this is that [i]every[/u] ur-priest has the ability to cast divine spells.

[atemu1234]

I'd say it would follow the normal rules for rebuilding - you'd lose levels of Ur-Priest for levels of cleric.

[torrasque666]

I'd say it would follow the normal rules for rebuilding - you'd lose levels of Ur-Priest for levels of cleric.

Or that weird mechanic with multiclass Shadowcasters and Wizards.

[atemu1234]

Or that weird mechanic with multiclass Shadowcasters and Wizards.

Where's that and what does it do? I'm curious.

[A Tad Insane]

Where's that and what does it do? I'm curious.

Every time you level up as a shadowcaster with wizard levels, you can trade one wizard level for one extra shadowcaster level

[gorfnab]

Or you could keep the Ur-Priest and just trade in the dead cleric levels for Defiant (Planar Handbook).

[Nightraiderx]

Every time you level up as a shadowcaster with wizard levels, you can trade one wizard level for one extra shadowcaster level

I kind of want to see if it's abusable for prc pushing but in the end I just find a specialist wizard 1/Shadowcaster 3/Mystic Theruge X/Noctumancer 10 will do just fine.