Tabris92
2014-12-04, 08:25 PM
I have never played a caster in DnD ever, so this is new territory for me. I figure wizard should be easy enough to understand but I wanted to try and make my first caster a good one.
Was looking to remake a character for a campaign, and I stumbled onto ultimate magus in Complete Mage.
Now, from what I read on a forum, if you take wizard 4 sorcerer 1 and take practiced spell caster on sorcerer...well, ill just put in an excerpt.
"The determining factor of what is the lower caster level is your caster level (not the level of spells you can cast). Practiced Spellcaster allows you to raise the caster level of any of your spellcasting classes by 4, though you can't use it to cast spells above your HD. Thus in the above example
Sorc 1/Wizard 4/UM 10/X 5
if you were to take as your 3rd level feat Practiced Spellcaster (Sorcerer) your sorcerer caster level would be 5 at level 3 (though since you only have 3 HD, it is limited to 3). When your about to enter Ultimate Magus at level 6 your caster level is 5 sorcerer, 4 wizard; thus your wizard side is progressed in both a caster level and a spell known level. When you are about to get Ultimate Magus 4, your cl for sorcerer and wizard are tied at 7, thus you get to choose which side you want to progress and lets say you choose wizard. Now when you are about to enter UM 7 your CL for Sorcerer is 9 and your CL for Wizard is 10 thus your sorcerer side will progress for a CL and SKL.
Makes Sense?
Thus in this above example a
Sorc 1/Wizard 4/UM 10/X 5
Who takes Practiced Spellcaster at lvl 3 will have a Spells Known of a 18th level wizard, the spells known of a 9th level sorcerer, the actual caster level of a 22th level wizard and the actual caster level of a 17th level sorcerer."
this is of course provided you take 5 more levels of wizard or anything that would boost wizard level (he did not specify what, ima assume just wizard)
Now, while I dont exactly understand all this, I showed this page to my DM and me and him tried to figure out what in the hell hes talkin about, and he said that this makes no sense.
Ive seen this forum post on various other boards and no one has contested that this is bs. So I naturally assume theres something here we just dont understand.
There was also how in the hell practiced spell caster made a difference at all, as it doesnt increase anything but caster level for the sake of spell penatration and doesnt affect spells/day or spells known. so even though at level 3 you take the practiced spell caster feat....and thats where i get lost.
All im looking for is an explanation of how this all works, how exactly did he get to casting as a 18th level wizard and 9th level sorcerer, and what is exactly the meaning of "caster level" in the case above.
Was looking to remake a character for a campaign, and I stumbled onto ultimate magus in Complete Mage.
Now, from what I read on a forum, if you take wizard 4 sorcerer 1 and take practiced spell caster on sorcerer...well, ill just put in an excerpt.
"The determining factor of what is the lower caster level is your caster level (not the level of spells you can cast). Practiced Spellcaster allows you to raise the caster level of any of your spellcasting classes by 4, though you can't use it to cast spells above your HD. Thus in the above example
Sorc 1/Wizard 4/UM 10/X 5
if you were to take as your 3rd level feat Practiced Spellcaster (Sorcerer) your sorcerer caster level would be 5 at level 3 (though since you only have 3 HD, it is limited to 3). When your about to enter Ultimate Magus at level 6 your caster level is 5 sorcerer, 4 wizard; thus your wizard side is progressed in both a caster level and a spell known level. When you are about to get Ultimate Magus 4, your cl for sorcerer and wizard are tied at 7, thus you get to choose which side you want to progress and lets say you choose wizard. Now when you are about to enter UM 7 your CL for Sorcerer is 9 and your CL for Wizard is 10 thus your sorcerer side will progress for a CL and SKL.
Makes Sense?
Thus in this above example a
Sorc 1/Wizard 4/UM 10/X 5
Who takes Practiced Spellcaster at lvl 3 will have a Spells Known of a 18th level wizard, the spells known of a 9th level sorcerer, the actual caster level of a 22th level wizard and the actual caster level of a 17th level sorcerer."
this is of course provided you take 5 more levels of wizard or anything that would boost wizard level (he did not specify what, ima assume just wizard)
Now, while I dont exactly understand all this, I showed this page to my DM and me and him tried to figure out what in the hell hes talkin about, and he said that this makes no sense.
Ive seen this forum post on various other boards and no one has contested that this is bs. So I naturally assume theres something here we just dont understand.
There was also how in the hell practiced spell caster made a difference at all, as it doesnt increase anything but caster level for the sake of spell penatration and doesnt affect spells/day or spells known. so even though at level 3 you take the practiced spell caster feat....and thats where i get lost.
All im looking for is an explanation of how this all works, how exactly did he get to casting as a 18th level wizard and 9th level sorcerer, and what is exactly the meaning of "caster level" in the case above.