Ferrum Impressions OOC 2

[Artemciy]

OOC1 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?363338-Ferrum-Impressions-OOC)

1. What game system are you running (D&D, Call of Cthulu, Palladium, GURPS, etc.), and if applicable what edition (Original, Classic, Revised, 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 5th, 10th, etc.)?
Gestalt: Vampire 20th Anniversary + bits from Mage The Ascension.

2. What 'type' or variant of game will it be (i.e. "Shadow Chasers" or "Agents of Psi" for d20 Modern)? What is the setting for the game (eg. historic period, published or homebrewed campaign setting, alternate reality, modern world, etc.)?
Near future.

3. How many Players are you looking for? Will you be taking alternates, and if so, how many?
2-3 players.
Open to alternate players, they'll be introduced into the game if there is an opening.

4. What's the gaming medium (OOTS, chat, e-mail etc.)?
Here.

5. What is the characters' starting status (i.e. experience level)?
Neonate by default, will definitely consider other options on a case by case basis.

6. How much gold or other starting funds will the characters begin with?
Depends on the character.

7. Are there any particular character classes, professions, orders, etc. that you want... or do not want? What are your rules on 'prestige' and/or homebrewed classes?
The character should be willing to work with the current party (coterie led by John and the rest).
I’ll try to accommodate any prestige and homebrew classes.

8. What races, subraces, species, etc. are allowed for your game? Will you allow homebrewed races or species? 'Prestige' races or species?
Anything that fits into 7.

9. By what method should Players generate their attributes/ability scores and Hit Points?
For VtM: http://www.thesubnet.com/portal/wod/vtm20/

10. Does your game use alignment? What are your restrictions, if so?
Humanity 5-10.
Sensible vampires tend to preserve their humanity as it protects them from being controlled by the Beast.

11. Do you allow multi-classing, or have any particular rules in regards to it?
I might consider it.

12. Will you be doing all of the die rolling during the course of the game? Will die rolls be altered, or left to the honor system? If players can make die rolls, which ones do they make, how should they make the rolls, and how should they report them?
I’ll roll the dice and describe the results. If the player rolls I’ll accept that.
See also OOC 1252 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showsinglepost.php?p=18379252&postcount=1252).

13. Are there any homebrewed or optional/variant rules that your Players should know about? If so, list and explain them, or provide relevant links to learn about these new rules.
A Mage can be a ghoul without damaging her Avatar (cf. the Ghoul merit in Ascension, page 229; also (whitewolf.wikia.com/wiki/Revenant_(VTM))).
Life magic can affect vampires (as "material things that move, grow and change", Ascension, page 131), but with increased difficulty (the Matter magic might work better).
A Mage can dispell and/or control the Blood Bond (example (http://z6.invisionfree.com/Masquerade_Project/ar/t5193.htm)).
Vampires rise at the time between 18:00 and sunset (http://www.timeanddate.com/sun/uk/london?month=6&year=2029) (18:00 + (sunset - 18:00) / 2), stronger generations rise later.
The over-dramatic rules outlined in the Blood Treachery (http://whitewolf.wikia.com/wiki/Blood_Treachery) might be applied to this game, but they are considered to be only a single of many possibilities of how the Awakened magic behaves around the Vampirism.

Guidelines to prevent the game from freezing and to keep it playable:
1) Time goes on, if it passes in RL it passes in game (cf 339 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?363338-Ferrum-Impressions-OOC&p=17962619&highlight=time#post17962619)).
2) "Do. Or do not. There is no try." Feel free to start, join and skip missions. Prefer going straight to the action rather than waiting for all the other characters to agree. (cf. 612 (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?363338-Ferrum-Impressions-OOC/page21#612)).
3) Feel free to string actions together and write plans spanning multiple turns.
Basically, "Good roleplaying should never bring the game to a screeching halt" (cf (http://www.giantitp.com/articles/tll307KmEm4H9k6efFP.html)).

Combat additions and maneuvers:

1) Brawl and Melee training should come with Specializations covering the styles and contexts of combat the character's familiar with. This is to help RP the corresponding strengths and weakness ("Difficulty and damage for these maneuvers may be modified at the Storyteller’s discretion, depending on the combat style the character uses", VtM 20th Anniversary, page 276). For example a BJJ grappler will have good tackles and holds but tends to get the fight to the ground and is weak against multiple opponents. A Taekwondo master can knock out an opponent with a single kick but is helpless on the ground against a grappler. Aikidoka can disarm and survive multiple armed opponents but needs an upper hand in reaction time against direct strikes or kicks. The strengths and weakness should be described in the character sheet because every training is individual (there are Wing Chun gyms that ignore the Chi Sao techniques; the weakness of a generic martial art is not necessary a weakness of a particular school or teacher). In addition to modified difficulty and damage, by using the signature techniques the character might get bonus die(s) to his attack rolls.

2) Additional Combat Maneuvers:
Sumbission Hold (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grappling_hold#Submission_hold): A grappling technique that uses the natural body leverage (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lever) on one side and natural body weaknesses on the other to incapacitate or cripple the opponent. As these soft (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hard_and_soft_%28martial_arts%29#Soft_technique) techniques depend on proper positioning rather than brute force they are Dexterity based. They require a Brawl style that specialize in grapping and come at +2 difficulty when applied to an actively resisting opponent unless the opponent provides an opening: for example, an opponent grabbing the character's weapon arm provides an opening for a wrist lock, a tackled opponent that tries to escape the tackle provides an opening for a joint lock.
Some styles, like Sanda (when used against a kick) and Aikido (against hand and weapon attacks) allow using the corresponding Submission Holds (wrist locks, joint locks) as a +1 DC reflexive action after a successfull Dodge. The character should declare such an action beforehand, for example "If attacked, I'll Dodge and try to apply a Sumbission Hold".
If successfull, a Sumbission Hold will work depending on it's type: knocking the opponent out, damaging muscles, tearing ligaments, dislocating and breaking bones. The pain it causes will give a +1 DC penalty to any actions unless the opponent is resistant to the pain or can shunt it away somehow. It might also placate the opponent (-2 DC to social roll against him) unless he has a good reason or character trait allowing him to channel the pain into some opposing emotion.

3) "feel free to develop your own moves (with the Storyteller’s approval)" (VtM 20th Anniversary, page 275).

14. Is a character background required? If so, how big? Are you looking for anything in particular (i.e. the backgrounds all ending up with the characters in the same city)?
A few words about the character origins. A few words about his attitude (about his nature, demeanor, concept).

15. Does your game involve a lot of hack & slash, puzzle solving, roleplaying, or a combination of the above?
Hopefully all of the above (puzzle solving = alternative ways to solve a problem), depends a lot on the players.
“In a so-called simulationist game, the obstacles don't necessarily correspond to the stakes or rewards, and because the approaches are up to the players', the consequences for success or failure can vary almost as widely as the solution.”
If you have found yourself in a long combat and don’t have an alternative solution for it (running away, surrendering, finding help, tricking the opponents, etc) then ask the GM to auto-resolve rather than quitting the game.

16. Are your Players restricted to particular rulebooks and supplements, or will you be allowing access to non-standard material? What sources can Players use for their characters?
I’ll try to use the non-standard material if requested.

This game was first discussed in the “LF ST Vampire the masquerade V20 owod (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?362619-LF-ST-Vampire-the-masquerade-V20-owod&p=17814012)”.

Please submit the characters here.

Note that I’ll have a PC in the game, playing as both the narrator and the character!

I’ll use a couple of non-standard techniques in the game:
1) In most situations I’ll give players a set of choices in order to communicate the intent of the scene and share ideas (and because I like the videogame RPG feel). “A punk kicks you in the face.
spoiler You
1) Dodge and kick him back.
2) Catch his leg and suck on it.
3) Vanish from sight (obfuscate).
4) Wipe off the blood and cry “why?”
5) Turn him into a ghoul.
*) Do something else. /spoiler”
You may do something else entirely. If you take an option, you should expand on it.

IC (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?363589-Ferrum-Impressions-IC&goto=newpost). TALKS (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?369680-Ferrum-Impressions-parallel-past-talks&goto=newpost). Cast:


Player
Sheet
Pic


Danteric
John Lucas (http://sheetgen.dalines.net/sheet/35562) (bio (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showsinglepost.php?p=17822485&postcount=64))

Master of suggestion.
Blunder through.

http://glim.ru/personal/RP/FerrumImpressions/John%20Lucas.jpeg



Artemciy
Tanaka Wormold (http://sheetgen.dalines.net/sheet/35553)
http://glim.ru/personal/RP/FerrumImpressions/tanaka_punie_by_guntama-d37itap.jpg



Mosh
Stefan Argintari (http://sheetgen.dalines.net/sheet/42224)

The young Ravnos was a lanky figure, with formerly tan skin bleached white from his Embrace and dirty brown hair tied back into a short ponytail. He was dressed well, khakis and a clean collared shirt, but somehow managed to make the outfit look grungy.


Danteric
Joseph (http://sheetgen.dalines.net/sheet/40320)
http://i.imgur.com/Am8czDF.png


for grabs
Lars (http://sheetgen.dalines.net/sheet/40371)
http://i.imgur.com/eu0M5Fu.png
He’s a tough and quiet type, but it’s not that he’s talkative not. No, he’s talking! He isn’t just listening!
True, the constant buzz of large and little things leaves little opening for him to chime in, but he hums. He puts his own mental notes into the melody and joins the conversation of stars in the sky.
He’s talking, but you can’t hear his thought.
Sometimes he would open his mouth and translate.

[cavalieredraghi]

Ahh that new thread smell. is the basement still there and intact, in other wards Anthony would be safe there for the day?

[Artemciy]

Space stations, perfume and plastic?

Anthony will be evidence.

XP +1 everyone.
We did it, we survived the night! :smallwink:

Talks with demons and each other without looking over your back for a while. But mind the hole in the wall.

P.S.

Anthony will be evidence.
Actually, indeed, there is a big chance they will dig him out in the daylight. You can send ghouls after him. Go forth!.. ghouls.

P.S.
Eh, forgot to say. Francis is now Generation 10, through Diablerie.
Conscience check?

[Artemciy]

Erm.. You might want to edit this (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showsinglepost.php?p=18499449&postcount=148) a bit, because Anthony isn't just in the "daily" torpor.

[cavalieredraghi]

He still has BP so he is not in actually Torpor yet, though How much Damage does Anthony have now?

[Artemciy]

A torpor is a torpor.


How much Damage does Anthony have now?

Enough to enter a torpor. http://prntscr.com/5e8wos
And you can't exit a torpor even if you have BP.

[cavalieredraghi]

well then I have edited it. and my character sheet.

[Artemciy]

Thanks!
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

[Muenster Man]

P.S.
Eh, forgot to say. Francis is now Generation 10, through Diablerie.
Conscience check?
Oh wow, alright!
Conscience [roll0]

Edit: I've also decided to give my character back a point of Willpower, if that's alright. He has the Survivor nature, and I'm thinking that recent events are worthy of regaining a point. He's now back up to 7/9 temporary willpower points.

[Danteric]

Congrats on the generation Muenster!

[Muenster Man]

Thanks! Who needs Humanity anyways? :smalltongue:

[Muenster Man]

I wonder how well defined those "future services" are?

"Hey John! I'm cashing in on that contract! Eat your own foot!"

"Wuh, seriously!?"

"Of course I'm serious! It'll grow back, right?"

"Will this be the end of my end of the deal?"

"Hahahahaha, no."

[Danteric]

Haha!

"I need my spirit suit dry cleaned, chop chop."

"Wha--?"

"I SAID GET TO IT!"

[Artemciy]

Yup. :smallamused:

[Danteric]

So out of curiosity, how will this work? Will John just not take damage from fire anymore? Or is it just lessened?

[Muenster Man]

Hmmm, I think I'm tired of keeping Francis' Brawl and Athletics at 3 dots a piece. He's used them more than enough at their current level, should probably be time for him to at least try and take his skills to the next level.
He'll attempt to spend 1xp on both (at 1/6 cost)

[Danteric]

Hopefully if this works out well, I'll be able to use the path of flames without having to worry about being burned to death by a flaming vampires death hug, woo!

[Muenster Man]

That would certainly be useful! Lure of Flames path is probably the most lethal Thaumaturgy path, but with a lot of potential to backfire. I wonder if you'll be completely immune to fire (and sunlight?), if you'll have your Fortitude cranked up to 5, or something else entirely.

[Danteric]

It definitely is, Id like to combine it with movement of the mind so I can light vampires on fire then telekinetically throw them at my enemies, would be a funny sight. And I do plan on raising my fortitude to 5 regardless, that discipline is extremely useful, specially incase francis turns against John, which I hope he never does :p

[cavalieredraghi]

honestly right now the only one you both may have to worry about betraying you is Anthony if the Sabbat save him from Torpor well then He may actually join the cause given his mental state is not he best due to the memory flashes from his sire.

[Danteric]

That's if some detective doesn't pull him out of the rubble and get a nice helping of sunlight to the face and spontaneously combust

[cavalieredraghi]

well given Torpor is a death like state they may actually just put Anthony in a body bag rather then put him in direct sun light given he was under ground. which he then would be transported to a morgue.

[Danteric]

That's true, body bags can be makeshift havens for the creative vampire. The bad thing about being brought to a morgue however is they drain all the fluids in your body and fill you with embalming fluid to prevent decay, which means you might never awaken from torpor, or worse, frenzy on the morticians and drain them dry, which could be fun on its own :p

[cavalieredraghi]

true but don't for get there is a war going on out there which means, the morgues may be so flooded right now Anthony may have a chance to waken before they get to him on the embalming.

[Muenster Man]

I feel like a trip to the morgue to pick Anthony up from 'day'care is in order :smalltongue:

As for inter-coterie fighting, puh-lease, Francis would never try to kill the party. Unless, of course, one of you tried to kill him. Then he'd wipe the floor with you

[Danteric]

Yeah Francis could beat the rest of us pretty easily, but who needs fighting when your suddenly on fire and being flung towards a wall ;p

Anywho, John wouldn't attempt to fight Francis regardless, HE is John's bodyguard after all, and he considers Francis a close ally anyway, just got to blood bond him before it's too late I mean offer him a friendly goblet of blood ;p

[Muenster Man]

Yeah, I really need to get better about that whole bodyguard thing. But, I should get back on trying to learn Thaumaturgy Countermagic. Just in case.

[Danteric]

Learning thaumaturgical counter magic will be pretty hard, no tremere in their right mind would teach it out of clan, unless you want the entirety of the clan hounding for your blood, as it automatically gives you the flaw clan hatred.

[Muenster Man]

Hey! Maybe Goratrix/Tremere really is giving us a nice gift and there's a book on Thaumaturgy Countermagic! But realistically, I need to meet up with Arthur for him to start learning.

[Danteric]

Suppose you never know! Speaking of thaumaturgy though, I really need to get thaumaturgy 4 so I can Protean from Francis without being blood bound, blah! And then you can be taught Auspex so you have superman level hearing, and John will actually have a good weapon to use in combat, as aggro claws are amazing

[Muenster Man]

XP wise, it's super cost-effective since you only need to get 2nd level of Protean. But if you're going with Lure of Flames, I'm not sure if it would be as useful to you. Protean 3 is still useful to just about anyone, however.

[Danteric]

Yeah, easily one of the most useful abilities of Protean, atleast you won't have to worry about finding somewhere to hide from the sun, just sink into the Earth and sleep, and it's highly unlikely someone would find you.

[Artemciy]

Francis' Brawl = 1d10 vs 7 = [roll0] = failure; Athletics = 1d10 vs 7 = [roll1] = failure.
Francis thought about being more agile and using a more effective fighting style, but he was too shaken with the recent events to really focus on it.

[Danteric]

Actually thinking about it now, will I need books/instructors to learn additional paths for thaumaturgy? I know I have that book for Koldunic Sorcery, but just wondering about the others.

[Artemciy]

No, internet seems to be handling the thaumaturgy pretty good.
For the immersion/backstory stuff, maybe.

Ah, you mean IC, sorry. Yes, you'd need that stuff.

[Danteric]

Gotcha, after everything's said and done maybe I'll go check out levails chapter of any books were left behind, could be something there :p

[Artemciy]

I thought you're talking about the OOC books at first, sorry.
Yes, IC you'd need the laboratory and books and hopefully a teacher.

P.S. I remember mentioning that the book on sorcery you already have covers coldunic up to a certain level.

[Danteric]

Yes, to level three I believe, though only on the way of Earth, unless the library was ransacked, John would hope he could find a few extra books/ritual components to use in the meantime until he found a mentor.

[Artemciy]

Well, it's a good bet that it was. You remember those two cars and coterie members might have mentioned the packages loaded there.

And even if Goratrix left something, there's a lot of people who would like to get their hands on a Tremere library, John would remember Anarchs mention the fighting around the chapters the other night.

[Danteric]

Mkay, how many chapters are in London anyway? Never read the London by night book so I'm unsure.

[Artemciy]

You know of at least three: British museum, your's chapter (Pluto), chapter where Tremere gathered during the onslaught (Lux Stellarum). London by Night doesn't give any specifics AFAIK.

[Danteric]

I see, guess my only hope would be one of the two remaining chapters, but that can wait for now. Thanks for the info!

Edit: actually thinking about it, you mentioned koldunic sorcery worked with pacts with spirits right? If so, would Tanaka be able to assist in learning more considering her specialty with spirits?

[Artemciy]

I see, guess my only hope would be one of the two remaining chapters, but that can wait for now. Thanks for the info!

I don't really see how. Tremere chapter's are resources of both knowledge and Gnosis=Quintessense. There's little chance they will be left unattended. If they ever will, it'll be because there are opposing powers waiting for a weak spot in the other's defences.

The various factions might be wary and afraid after what Tremere did to Giovanny at the Pluto chapter, but even if they'd simply sat on their hands, they'd welcome an opportunity to get the books off your hands once you have them, and send you for more.

I'm a little tired of those skirmishes for now, to tell the truth.


Edit: actually thinking about it, you mentioned koldunic sorcery worked with pacts with spirits right? If so, would Tanaka be able to assist in learning more considering her specialty with spirits?

On one hand, yes, I've already mentioned that Tanaka might help with enhancing the existing paths.
On the other hand, she won't be able to teach you new levels, unless you has books, in which case she can be seen as a -1 DC trainer (as opposed to the usual -2 DC).

What you can do is use her Fate affinity to find the books.
That might turn into an interesting quest, in fact.

[Danteric]

Ah sorry I should have phrased that better, if the other chantries are manned, John would go there and introduce himself and the like. At first I though -ALL- the chantries were abandoned, but I appreciate clearing that up for me.

As for Tanaka, once things settle down and we get everyone gathered, maybe it's time for an epic quest, so to speak :p

[Artemciy]

Let me clear that again. Anarchs have mentioned that there is a fighting going on for the chapters between the various factions.
When I say "unattended" I don't mean by Tremere.
But if John would be so naive as to try and see if a Tremere chapter simply stands there, waiting for him, after a city was rid of Camarilla, with other sorcerous factions all getting the smarts, then sure, let's give it a try.

Yes, there's a lot of ideas dusting the shelves.

[cavalieredraghi]

do vampires dream during torpor

[Artemciy]

Certainly, and with experience their dreams become more and more lucid. Old vampires can visit places, use magic and control minions from torpor.

[cavalieredraghi]

well then for the fun of it I am going to start writing up a dream sequence for Anthony. Given He is still weak compared to elders so He wouldn't be controlling anyone or anything. Like that it will just be a nice little RP.

[Artemciy]

Good. You can also start writing your second character's experience with the day, if you want.

P.S. So I'm close to ending the night and begin pondering the day's events.
Long night, it was.

Guys, do you think Tanaka should try to fetch Anthony this day? Or should we leave it to chance and check on him later?
I seem to remember someone writing to the effect of finding his body next night, but I wanted to make sure. It's a rather important plot decision.
Right now Danteric can directly influence her IC but if you have something to say I would like to hear from other players as well.

[Muenster Man]

It would probably be better if Anthony was brought back as soon as possible, preferably before he's filled with embalming fluid. However, now is going to be the time where he'd under the most scrutiny. If Tanaka feels she can grab him fairly quickly, say, when he's being transported somewhere, then I say go for it. But it would probably be safer to wait. I'm kind of torn and don't have a preference.

[cavalieredraghi]

I want Anthony to live but I'm torn as to how he lives whether Tanaka saves him he's ends up at it morgue or even if the sabbat saving I don't know I have ideas for all of them

Edit: also John is jealous about Tanaka and Anthony's relationship, so sending her to rescue him may in his mind add to that. He does not know however that Tanaka and Anthony fought that night.

[Artemciy]

Try but play it safe, I got it, thanks.

[cavalieredraghi]

I guess if I had to choose tanaka andd the sabbat would be at the top would be neck and neck for the top spot. With the morgue failing behind.

[Danteric]

Contrary to Johns jealousy, he wouldn't want to leave Anthony behind, he's been a part of their coterie long enough that unless you completely betrayed John, he would still try to rescue you. Anthony in a sense is the Coteries conscience, along with Tanaka.

On a side note, been wondering how the contract worked? Is John immune to fire? Take lethal instead of aggro damage? I actually thought since the relation between Koldunic sorcery and Spirits, John might've been taught the first level of Way of Fire, which allows him to resist the red fear easier, but i'm not sure.

[Artemciy]

On a side note, been wondering how the contract worked? Is John immune to fire? Take lethal instead of aggro damage? I actually thought since the relation between Koldunic sorcery and Spirits, John might've been taught the first level of Way of Fire, which allows him to resist the red fear easier, but i'm not sure.

He wouldn't know until later. And no, demons seldom teach Disciplines, though Lilith is quite an exception, isn't she?
BTW, the natural spirits bound by the Tzimitze are very different from the infernals you're dealing with.

[Artemciy]

What about David relatives, any of them noticed that he's asleep the whole day?

I'd like to clarify that while old vampires can visit places from torpor (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showsinglepost.php?p=18503236&postcount=47), Anthony isn't anywhere old and hasn't developed the corresponding skills, so his short vision was an exception. Unless you mean it as some perk that I don't know about.

I'd say it was already fading when he returned back to the ruins of the explosion and it wasn't a real presence like traveling in an astral body. So Tanaka doesn't pick it.

Nice RP, otherwise. I want to visit Arizona now.
Anthony's is now the "first flyer" badge.


He carefully ran through the streets, trying to reach the haven and see if everyone was alright.

So, you driven more than a hour north till you reached the small town where explosion happened. I think I mentioned that in IC. John ran back on foot because he was in a frenzy. Francis can run supernaturally fast too, it's NP, but it's kind of an important part of the story that the events where happening north of London and not in the London proper.

It also gives John a bit of a start while Francis rans to reach the haven, though they can communicate with goggles during that time.

[Danteric]

He wouldn't know until later. And no, demons seldom teach Disciplines, though Lilith is quite an exception, isn't she?
BTW, the natural spirits bound by the Tzimitze are very different from the infernals you're dealing with.

Yeah, Lilith is quite the exception, however so was Caine. Wonder how vampires would be like if they never met, definitely not as strong as they are, or even exist in the final nights. But who knows, theory craft away!

[cavalieredraghi]

What about David relatives, any of them noticed that he's asleep the whole day?

I'd like to clarify that while old vampires can visit places from torpor (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showsinglepost.php?p=18503236&postcount=47), Anthony isn't anywhere old and hasn't developed the corresponding skills, so his short vision was an exception. Unless you mean it as some perk that I don't know about.

I'd say it was already fading when he returned back to the ruins of the explosion and it wasn't a real presence like traveling in an astral body. So Tanaka doesn't pick it.

Nice RP, otherwise. I want to visit Arizona now.
Anthony's is now the "first flyer" badge.


I figured most of that, and I was going to RP that the Only thing Anthony even would remember from the Torpor dream was the sunset. maybe even David's location but eh I think it may also be fun for the two to try and track each other down.

As for David's Family all he has are his Alcoholic mother he left living with her when he had the ability to support himself and his sick sister. though she does occasionally camp on his couch. His Sister is bed ridden, I have yet to decide on an actual disease yet. The only one who would have gone looking for David would maybe have been his sister's Nurse, but she rarely would seek David out except for her weekly fee, and that is a couple days off.

[Danteric]

An e-monocle? Neat! Please tell me HUD contact lenses are a thing :o

[Artemciy]

Contact lenses are rather expensive, they need bioengineering to prevent intolerance and are less practical (bad signal, more cancer danger to the tissues, no way to hear the audio signal) and thus aren't mass-marketed, some cost a million, though in medical market there are cheaper options.

[cavalieredraghi]

I made David's sheet, (http://sheetgen.dalines.net/sheet/37955?message=true) it is a fresh new character he has no Discipline at all.

edit I also will be heading to work soon, I have an 8 hour shift ahead of me.

[Danteric]

Thaumaturgy teachers? I wonder. Thursday is a part of the Anarchs, and the Anarchs as a whole are rumored to have more then a few scattered blood mages, but getting them to teach is easier said then done. I'm not sure, I guess John'll have to find out ICly. You know, I still have the Contact with kindred's sire ritual, It might be good getting in contact with his sire, might be able to ask for advice?

[cavalieredraghi]

I edited my Past talk now, to where David was able to read the note. I should now be able to move him to IC if that is alright.

[Artemciy]

Thaumaturgy teachers? I wonder. Thursday is a part of the Anarchs, and the Anarchs as a whole are rumored to have more then a few scattered blood mages, but getting them to teach is easier said then done. I'm not sure, I guess John'll have to find out ICly.

Yup, you can ask Thursday some time.


You know, I still have the Contact with kindred's sire ritual, It might be good getting in contact with his sire, might be able to ask for advice?

Chancy, but he might have an idea, yes. Maybe there are some contacts he know of that weren't even involved in this war.


I edited my Past talk now, to where David was able to read the note. I should now be able to move him to IC if that is alright.

Yes, go ahead.

[Muenster Man]

Diabelerize him now, Danteric! :smallbiggrin:

[Danteric]

Diabelerize him now, Danteric! :smallbiggrin:

The sad thing is he'd probably wipe the floor with me, i'd honestly need Francis' help for an attempt at diablerie on anyone, and that's probably not something John is going to just ask, as he isnt aware you diablerized, as he hasnt checked your aura or blood.

On a side note, wouldn't his rapid embrace and abandonment possibly make him a Caitiff? That is how a large part of them happen isnt it?

[Artemciy]

You could lure him to the nearest park and imprison him with the earth.


On a side note, wouldn't his rapid embrace and abandonment possibly make him a Caitiff? That is how a large part of them happen isnt it?

Only if he can't find a sire/patron, IMHO.

[Muenster Man]

Don't think that has anything to do with being a Caitiff. I think it's just a simple matter of generation. If a methuselah got up and decided to embrace someone and left, the fledgling would still be 5-6th gen. If a 13th gen embraced someone and gave great mentorship, they'd still have a Caitiff on their hands

Only if he can't find a sire/patron, IMHO.
Or that.

[Artemciy]

I think it's just a simple matter of generation.

That was my impression after playing VtM: Bloodlines videogame, too,
but the connection is more subtle, a http://whitewolf.wikia.com/wiki/Caitiff seems to be a clan-less vampire,
but half-bloods have the greatest chance to remain clan-less.

[Muenster Man]

Do you think this is a good scenario for an extended roll?

[Artemciy]

You have the time to try again, and digging him out is possible, so I'm skipping the roll.
(Actually, in WoD this principle seldom works because there's always a possibility to botch. But let's skip it this time).

[Danteric]

Looks like we're going to need a new IC thread soon :o

[Artemciy]

Should we get a medal or something? :smallamused:

[Danteric]

Haha, I wonder if Tanaka's Fate sight could find a copy of the Codex of the damned, that'd be interesting for John's studies :P

[Artemciy]

With her Fate sight - no. Her sight is just that, sight, it gives her signs and feelings about past and future connections in her immediate vicinity, signs she often don't understand. The Codex isn't connected to the immediate past and future of her surroundings, and even if it were, she wouldn't know what to look for.

If John held the Codex in his hands and could point her to the exact time in his past,
then by combining Time and Fate magic she could learn the Codex's Fate footprint.
From that point she could try to influence Fate to lead her to the Codex.

If there is a specific goal in mind, it's possible to use it as a lead too.
That's how she found her teacher.
Not with a Fate sight, mind you, but with a specific 44-succ effect.

[Danteric]

Ah cool, and a 44 success feat? That's alot of successes, do mages require alot of successes for larger scale magic?

[Artemciy]

I was surprised myself. :smallamused:

Yes, Mage needs multiple successes most of the time
(here's for example the number of successes needed for T's usual effects: http://prntscr.com/5fzsmh;
I plan on decreasing the numbers once she's more used to an effect).

Here's a chart: http://backupwod2.wikidot.com/mage:magical-reference-chart.
Extra successes go towards the effect's Potency.

[Danteric]

Suppose it makes botching those really big rolls all the more risky, I'd hate to see the botch of someone trying to alter their pattern, accidentally wipe themselves from the tapestry? Sounds scary, but makes me interested in trying WoD mage one of these days, they look fun. Partly why I went Tremere, I get to use magic with training wheels (In comparison atleast) as Thaumaturgy can get pretty fun at the higher levels.

[Artemciy]

Yup, I loved the "creative thaumaturgy (http://www.thesubnet.com/portal/wod2/mtaw/MagicCT.html)" idea since I've seen it. It's how I always imagined my characters magic to work. I'd love to see characters using it.

As for the Thaumaturgy in this game, we'll definitely keep bumping it up when you finish with the Way of Earth.

[Muenster Man]

Did we arrive via car? I'm thinking the one Francis stole last night probably got left near here, but I'd think the police have already found it.

[Artemciy]

T left in that same car last night. Police haven't found it yet, though it's a good idea to get rid of it.
Tanaka didn't have the time to fetch the van back, BTW.

[Danteric]

Just reading that site you linked and looked at Coincidental vs Vulgar magic, found this and thought it was funny.

"A mage who need cash could just create it from the air around her. No one could ever accept such a feat as normal, however. Instead of taking this quick and dangerous route, the young sorcerer could just trot down to her local convenience store and buy a lottery ticket… and goodness gracious, guess who wins the lottery that night! Static reality, and those who create it, find any particular person’s winning the lottery very lucky – but entirely believable."

I guess Tanaka's covered if she needs money :smallbiggrin:

[Artemciy]

Zeddicus Zu'l Zorander used to make money (with the Addition magic).
(If you look him up, I can't stand his portrait taken from the TV series, I remember him differently when I've read the books).
Goodkind made it look fun. :smallsmile:


A mage who need cash could just create it from the air around her. No one could ever accept such a feat as normal, however.

That's not really a problem if you make them in your pocket instead of doing it in plain sight.
You'd need something like Matter 5 to make them out of thin air though, IIRC, or Matter 4 to make them Zorander's way.


lottery

My God! I totally forgot about this.
I've been thinking about money now and then, having lots of them might be useful.
Winning a second lottery will attract disbelief and Paradox, however, not to mention that it's not her style.

Any bigger ideas?

[Danteric]

Maybe not "Bigger" ideas at the moment, but on the topic of winning, perhaps like the lottery situation, Tanaka entered her name in a car contest, and her name gets drawn, theres a vehicle for us? A few other things come to mind, Stumbling upon a torpored elder to Diablerize assist. :smallwink:
I'm not quite sure of the limitations of magic at the moment, atleast ones that wouldn't result in large amounts of paradox, know any good examples?

[Artemciy]

I'm not quite sure of the limitations of magic at the moment, atleast ones that wouldn't result in large amounts of paradox

Awakening has classified the limits pretty good, you can check the Practices there: http://whitewolf.wikia.com/wiki/Magic_%28MTAw%29. Ascention has mostly the same limits without the burden of classification.

As for Paradox, it's entirely depends on how much the effect, in the way it's presented, is accepted by the local sleeper Consensus.
With Fate it's known that many sleeper-observed effects begin to backfire when the luck becomes "unrealistic".

Another source of Paradox are simply botches, so the more complex the spell the more likely it's to botch and give you Paradox.


know any good examples?

That's too broad a question, but let's make one. Suppose a Dracula hunts you and you want to set him on fire. To simply conjure the fire you'd need... Forces 5! But to turn some other energy into the heat or to gather heat by making the surrounding air colder you'd need only Forces 3. And by using environment you can do with as low as Forces 2, like when Dracula runs and his boot's friction with the ground produces heat which you with a heap of successes increase to the burning temperature and then with another heap make it spead (hard to do in a pitch, but if you have some Time to prepare the spell...). And with Forces 1 you can learn where the nearest fire is, so that you could run to it and use the fire against the vampire.

[cavalieredraghi]

Hey sorry I disappear last night I had lost Internet access again. I will catch up and update soon.


edit: can healing restore Limbs?

[Muenster Man]

Hey sorry I disappear last night I had lost Internet access again. I will catch up and update soon.


edit: can healing restore Limbs?

I would assume 'yes' but I don't think there are any hard rules for limb restoration. I'd wager that by the time you restored all your health levels, you'd get them back.

[cavalieredraghi]

I would assume 'yes' but I don't think there are any hard rules for limb restoration. I'd wager that by the time you restored all your health levels, you'd get them back.

Which means blood is going to need to be brought to Anthony and a lot of it. :smalltongue:

[Danteric]

If John could just lightly touch you, he could force you to spend your blood to activate your Obeah, and that should heal you nicely, but yeah, you're going to need blood, or we'll have a frenzying vampire on our hands.

[cavalieredraghi]

I will be gone for the next 9 hours for work

[Muenster Man]

Ha! I forgot he had the Eat Food merit. He will still need to puke it up later, but well played, sir!

[Danteric]

Hunting roll, success/fail will be RP'd in post

Using auspex to assist in hunting, if it affects the roll at all. [roll0]

[Artemciy]

The hunting takes a long time, district not being particularly well-populated after hours. Almost two of them pass when John, being thorough, gets his two feedings.

Meanwhile, David should be feeling ill and will have to throw up.

A couple hours after John left
I'd say it's sooner than that.

[cavalieredraghi]

I hope John is not planning on Blood bonding Anthony, Don't forget He is starting to show Fury tendencies, which may mean John will be as good as dead to Anthony.

[Danteric]

I hope John is not planning on Blood bonding Anthony, Don't forget He is starting to show Fury tendencies, which may mean John will be as good as dead to Anthony.

You can also stay a dismembered corpse, the blood bond will take care of those feelings for me ;)

But theres not really any other way to heal you, John doesn't have Obeah, and carrying a couple jugs of blood down the road wouldn't be suspicious at all, so you're left with my blood and Thaumaturgy to force your Obeah to activate.

Edit: Also you're unconscious, so you wouldn't know you've been blood bonded by John, and this is the only method that would work without Tanaka's magic, which could cause paradox backlash depending on how its done, atleast I think.

[cavalieredraghi]

Anthony will know after he wakes up when He suddenly has strong feelings for you. But you are right on the fact that we need to remain inconspicuous.
Doesn't John have the path of Blood Thuamturgy, which means you can give blood with out blood bond?

[Danteric]

No, I wish. At level 4 I can TAKE blood without a bond, but not the other way around. There's probably some way to circumvent the blood bond with a ritual of some kind, but it's not easy. As for strong feelings, it's only a level 1 bond, so it wouldn't do much to influence you, you'd feel as if John was abit more trustworthy, or friendly, but nothing that would affect your character as a whole personality/mechanical wise. Level 2 on the other hand, well, thats a different story ;P

[Artemciy]

I don't see how John can be that good. For starters, nobody can be as good as the dead (http://lexx.wikia.com/wiki/Kai), this sh-t just doesn't happen. Also, Francis is still the John's bodyguard, and he can protect John from Anthony overreacting, and meticulously planning John's death is not something Anthony would do, isn't it?

As for the options, John could easily bring people from his hunt, there's so many ways to do that I wouldn't even bother to count.


As for strong feelings, it's only a level 1 bond

Indeed, any amount of blood shared now will only bring a level 1 bond.


I thought it was after each feeding

So?

[cavalieredraghi]

I actually thought that was the plan, when Dan, said John was looking for hookers. :smalltongue:

But I still wanted to check.

I thought it was after each feeding, hmm alright.

[Danteric]

Did I automatically collect the blood? (At 2 victims, 3 blood each) Or should I type out the hunt as it seems the scene is moving forward? I'm fine with typing it out, just wanted to confirm.

And headed to work now, will try to get posting done when its not busy.

[cavalieredraghi]

Idk for some reason I thought Anthony was going to drink from John more than once.

[Artemciy]

Idk for some reason I thought Anthony was going to drink from John more than once.

The story begins with Monty trying to blood bond you.


Did I automatically collect the blood? (At 2 victims, 3 blood each) Or should I type out the hunt as it seems the scene is moving forward? I'm fine with typing it out, just wanted to confirm.

Type out a phone call with Tanaka, please. :smalltongue:
I'd say RPing the hunt is secondary when there is some kind of story to gnaw on.

[Danteric]

Props for referencing that show, haven't seen it in ages haha.

And no, John wouldn't fully bond you (yet) but well if it requires multiple nights to heal you... Heh.

[Danteric]

So out of curiosity, what would happen if you awakened the spirit in say...A sword? Or a Watch?

[Artemciy]

You'd have a talking sword. (That is, if you have a certain affinity to hearing spirits (like a Spirit 1 spell), or if the spirit itself develops an ability to produce sound or communicate telepathically).
One of the few things I had to spend Quintessence at, BTW.
Someone said the Spirit was the most powerful Arcana, now I'm beginning to see why.

Vampire hunter D had such a thing in his hand, IMHO.
(And in WoD it's pretty usual to have spirits live in tatoos).

You can make a literal mage's castle, where brooms sweep themselves and teapots jump around and talk. :smallsmile:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=afzmwAKUppU

[Danteric]

You can make a literal mage's castle, where brooms sweep themselves and teapots jump around and talk. :smallsmile:


We're doing that to our new haven, right? :D

On a side note, it would be interesting for John to learn the Sanguine Assistant ritual, would be neat to have a miniature assistant running around the Haven to assist you in the mornings.

[Artemciy]

Sure, we'll work on that. :smallsmile:

[cavalieredraghi]

I plan on moving David and Anthony's talk to Past talk, and hopefully then after it is done if you want you can control David. I plan if it is alright that he learn Valerene rather then Obeah, thought he won't be a fury. I can make him a Wu-Zoa if you want thought I i hope he can stay a normal Salubri.

[Artemciy]

I don't want to control him, I'll have my hands full with other characters. It's your character, basically.

What's a Wu-Zoa? :smallredface:

[cavalieredraghi]

I don't mind controlling him at all, I just did not want to step on toes. A Wu Zoa is the "Asian" Salubri after Salout's journey to China. They can have either Valerene or Obeah it is player's choice at the start, at the end of this page (http://www.thesubnet.com/portal/wod/vtm20/ClanSal.html) is talking about them.

[Artemciy]

Interesting, but you can't make him Wu Zao unless Anthony is Wu Zao.
Valeren isn't a problem, a Fury is just a template, you don't have to stick to the Furies anti-Camarilla party line if you have Valeren.

[cavalieredraghi]

Alright awesome!! I will have something up hopefully today, it will include a hunt from Anthony. I am just busy today and tomorrow, I am working with a IRL group of VtM to create some 5E D&D characters. also I have a long game going on tonight, it is going to be Christmas themed. :smallbiggrin:

[Artemciy]

Good for you. :smallsmile:
Too bad our calendars aren't synchronized, but I hope we'll have an in-game Christmas one day.

[Danteric]

All I want for Christmas is obtenebration~

That said, have a merry Christmas everyone!

[cavalieredraghi]

I forgot these rolls as well.

[roll0]

[Artemciy]

Wow, that's one big post. 8 )

[cavalieredraghi]

What I pictured Anthony and David doing was, Anthony explained everything he knew about Vampires at least clans and factions and the masquerade to David. Then Anthony went on a hunt, got some blood from two gay guys used t all to heal. Then David took Anthony to see his sister so Anthony may be able to help heal her. on the way David was going to be attacked by a pack of wild dogs but Anthony stepped in and fed from each one finishing his healing and giving a small reserve of blood left. Anthony is now going to try and Heal David's Sister over time, and David is now Anthony's Childe/Apprentice.

I figured that over all time it took them most of the night or, what ever time it takes for the others to finish their mission.

[Artemciy]

he enters through the living room window

You mean you climb to the fourth floor and try to open a window boarded from daylight?

[cavalieredraghi]

I thought they lived on the first floor alright you just enter through the front door since that's the only way unless there's a fire escape is there a fire scape

[Artemciy]

Yes, there is a fire escape.

Just so that you know: I've described several times how you see the surrounding London from the tower, I remember even finding a night picture from the place, and since I've given the exact address you could have visited it. Here it is: http://prntscr.com/5ibry3

And yes, it's small. That's why there was a motion to get the rest of the tower which Anthony voted against.

I see now why Storium saves places and NPCs descriptions in the cards.

[cavalieredraghi]

Artemciy, you were a little quick on the draw there my friend. i was not done asking question and the like, after all I did not realize we where still staying at that Apartment. I thought we where at some communal Auroch Haven. I was going to edit Anthony going in through the front door, and state this but I had work that i almost forgot about, and ended up being late to.

[Artemciy]

Francis remained motionless as he considered how to bypass the remaining distance safely.

I don't get it. Is it a hint to roll something for you and give you some options, like ringing a bell or digging into the ground and cutting the power off, because you don't like the option your goggles gives, or are you just biding time?


I thought we where at some communal Auroch Haven.

Really? Why?
And who is Auroch, BTW?

[Danteric]

Sorry for lack of posting, I drew the short straw at work and been busy non stop, but will get a post up today.

[Artemciy]

Sorry for lack of posting, I drew the short straw at work and been busy non stop, but will get a post up today.

No problem!

I might have overreacted some, BTW, about being stuck in that place. Sorry.

[cavalieredraghi]

I don't get it. Is it a hint to roll something for you and give you some options, like ringing a bell or digging into the ground and cutting the power off, because you don't like the option your goggles gives, or are you just biding time?



Really? Why?
And who is Auroch, BTW?

I keep misspelling it I mean Anarch.
and I thought we where staying with the Anarchs for protection I did not think we had returned to our old haven yet, given the Sabbat encroaching around us. that is why I thought we where on the first floor of some random building of theirs. if i had actaully realized it was our haven I would have had Anthony us the front door. I mean we did pick it after all since it had only one really good access point. among other reasons.

[Artemciy]

I thought we where staying with the Anarchs for protection

That's a choice nobody ever made. How did you expect to see this happen, BTW? Is somebody responsible for that kind of thing, somebody you expected to take care of your character's safety without him making a fuss about it himself? Was it a trust in the capability of the group as a whole?

You see, that's an interesting problem from the point of social dynamics. Tanaka surely thinks about it, but she isn't ready to make or even propose hard decisions, so she goes the round-about way of finding millionairs and such. (And maybe it's time for her to stop babysitting them anyway, nobody even asked her after all).

[cavalieredraghi]

It is less we have to worry about someone fussing over our presence since when we joined the Anarchs we would most likely gain access to there communal havens.

[Artemciy]

That doesn't answer my question. Moving anywhere is a serious decision, it isn't a no-brainer. How do you expect such a decision to happen?

Have you ever moved? I've been moving a lot lately, but there was a large portion of my life when I practicaly didn't.

Oh, and BTW, do you expect the Anarch havens to be safe from Sabbat? (And that's a third question, I'm still interested in the first).

Speaking of which, there is no such thing as an Anarch communal haven, as far as I know, but there are places where Anarchs hang around and/or have their Presence felt, so yes, you could hang out there. It's like being a perpetual guest, though, a rather stressfull and/or queer social role.

[Danteric]

Random question, and while Tanaka's goggles could most likely do it, i'm not sure about mine. Given enough time, would John be able to write a small virus with his glasses, or hack them from a distance? Something along the lines of taking the camera's feed for a few seconds and placing it on a loop long enough for them to cut through the yard unnoticed.

[Artemciy]

Random question, and while Tanaka's goggles could most likely do it, i'm not sure about mine. Given enough time, would John be able to write a small virus with his glasses, or hack them from a distance? Something along the lines of taking the camera's feed for a few seconds and placing it on a loop long enough for them to cut through the yard unnoticed.

The software pack you've got from Thursday can do that. Check this: http://prntscr.com/5imckk (IC 1484). And this: http://prntscr.com/5imcye (IC 1486). It can do that much better than you, because professional vampire hackers worked on it. You can do that too, certainly, with a good Science or Computer roll, though acquiring a Skill specialty would help.

Are you not familiar with the modern meaning of the term (to hack), maybe?
I admit it's a bit of a slang, but I thought the media have popularised it to no end.

You have the same bundle as Francis, if that question was implied.

[cavalieredraghi]

But it a no brainer for Anthony, remember Salubri technically have no haven. He carries everything he owns in his doctor's bag, and given how many times he has lost his clothes and yet to buy some new ones, it is only getting lighter. And yes I have moved, to much in fact. One thing it has taught me is to not have so much stuff it only makes it harder.

now there is such a thing as a communal Haven for Anarchs it is here. (http://www.thesubnet.com/portal/wod/vtm20/CreationBa.html)

They usually are safer in them at least you have those willing to fight with you rather then turn tail and run.

[Danteric]

I was more confused on how it would hack, though I probably misused the word. Would the glasses connect wirelessly to the cameras or a nearby Wifi signal? And I dont think we'd get close enough to a camera to plug in a USB(or something along those lines) into them, or if they even have a spot to plug into, given some cameras are on a closed circuit network. Just wondering so I know how to type it up instead of pulling some random stunt that could end horrendously.

[Artemciy]

But it a no brainer for Anthony, remember Salubri technically have no haven. He carries everything he owns in his doctor's bag, and given how many times he has lost his clothes and yet to buy some new ones, it is only getting lighter. And yes I have moved, to much in fact. One thing it has taught me is to not have so much stuff it only makes it harder.

I see, makes sense.


now there is such a thing as a communal Haven for Anarchs it is here. (http://www.thesubnet.com/portal/wod/vtm20/CreationBa.html)

No, there isn't. The communal haven you're referring to is "a secure location controlled and owned by the coterie". It is exactly what your haven with a hole in the wall is.

[Artemciy]

I was more confused on how it would hack, though I probably misused the word. Would the glasses connect wirelessly to the cameras or a nearby Wifi signal?

How would you know? Do you see the code? Open-source, maybe? :smallyuk:


And I dont think we'd get close enough to a camera to plug in a USB (or something along those lines) into them, or if they even have a spot to plug into, given some cameras are on a closed circuit network. Just wondering so I know how to type it up instead of pulling some random stunt that could end horrendously.

Simple. You should type that you're using the option, and leave the rest to the GM.

If you don't trust the option, fine. RP it and do something else. I don't see a problem.

[cavalieredraghi]

:smallconfused: what was with the yuk face art?

Also fine, i can understand that our haven meets the requires of background.

[Artemciy]

:smallconfused: what was with the yuk face art?

You don't get it?
Do you expect Nosferatu, for example, to open-source their SchreckNet code and their exploits?
As a joke, maybe.

Do you see a military software open-sourced? Or a banking one?
It's a World of Darkness game, not a... something else.


Also fine, i can understand that our haven meets the requires of background.

The background merit your mention has nothing to do with the existence of truly "communal" havens.
London Anarchs aren't a mob (in the non-criminal sense of the word), they're highly individual and highly self-reliant, your picture of them having "communal" havens in the way you ascribed to them is simply wrong. In this game.

And if you want to cite something next time, cite a clan book or a location book, a generic merit is just that, a wild possibility.

[Danteric]

Simple. You should type that you're using the option, and leave the rest to the GM.


Alright, will do.

[Muenster Man]

I don't get it. Is it a hint to roll something for you and give you some options, like ringing a bell or digging into the ground and cutting the power off, because you don't like the option your goggles gives, or are you just biding time?

I misread the post. I thought the goggles were telling me that it was possible to hack the cameras, but it wasn't going to walk me through the process or do it for me.

[cavalieredraghi]

Anyways can Anthony just go through the front dorr since i did not realize it was the tower haven.

[Artemciy]

I misread the post. I thought the goggles were telling me that it was possible to hack the cameras, but it wasn't going to walk me through the process or do it for me.

That is certainly a possibility that I've considered. That wasn't my question though. What I didn't get was whether you were asking for other options or simply biding time? Care to elucidate this for me?


Anyways can Anthony just go through the front dorr since i did not realize it was the tower haven.

No, Anthony is on the roof, and the light in the apartments have just went out. He can hear the door being closed.

P.S. I want to clarify, just in case this got muddled by my questions, that your current location was never ambiguous. First frenzied John ran back to it, then Tanaka joined him and then the rest. The famous hole was mentioned, the danger of remaining there was exposed. I intentionally haven't been referring to all the IC facts because I wanted more to learn the logic of your decisions rather than prove you wrong, but please do not assume that there was ever any ambiguity about your current location.

You being where you are is not an afterthought or a thing that could have been interpreted differently and that's why I have to correct you when you write things that aren't congruent with the existing narrative.

[cavalieredraghi]

time for work see you in about 8 hours.

[Muenster Man]

That is certainly a possibility that I've considered. That wasn't my question though. What I didn't get was whether you were asking for other options or simply biding time? Care to elucidate this for me?

If Francis sees an option to hack, then he'll choose it. I was having him wait because I didn't see any great options immediately available and was hoping I'd come up with something later. And after I saw Danteric post about giving it a try, I was going to let him do it. But Francis will give it a try as well.

[Artemciy]

I was having him wait because I didn't see any great options immediately available and was hoping I'd come up with something later.

k, cool, thanks for clearing that up.

[Danteric]

Hmm, I wouldn't mind a hint in this scenario to be honest. There are a few things I can think of to why the hacking may not be working, Maybe the glasses by themselves aren't powerful enough to hack it? Maybe Francis's added assistance will provide enough power to get through? Of course the option of asking Tanaka to coax the spirit of the Camera is there too, but not sure that might work out. Maybe could be convinced not to show us, like she did earlier with that ghouls implant.

[Artemciy]

You said it yourself.


I was more confused on how it would hack, though I probably misused the word. Would the glasses connect wirelessly to the cameras or a nearby Wifi signal? And I dont think we'd get close enough to a camera to plug in a USB(or something along those lines) into them

What other means of communication are there beside the electromagnetic waves (wi-fi) and wiring (USB)?
Would some of them requre an unobscured line of sight to the camera?

[Danteric]

I suppose its possible over blue tooth, granted you've got insanely high computer/science skills, or know somebody who does. As for hacking the Camera's, i'll just have to get closer to the camera while staying hidden, probably moving closer into the bushes and closer to the fence, lets hope its not an electrical fence ;)

Edit:Or Francis can get to it before I can, lol

[Artemciy]

I suppose its possible over blue tooth, granted you've got insanely high computer/science skills, or know somebody who does.

There are a few more possibilities, bordering the arcane, but not impossible.
That being said, your goggles aren't the best hacking tool out there, there's certainly a room for improvement.


As for hacking the Camera's, i'll just have to get closer to the camera while staying hidden, probably moving closer into the bushes and closer to the fence, lets hope its not an electrical fence ;)

You can't get close to the spherical camera without it seeing you. The only way you can hack it is wirelessly, and that word hides a range of different options.

[cavalieredraghi]

just a warning guys we only have 8 posts left till we go beyond 50 on the IC thread

[Danteric]

Hmm, would multiple sets working in conjunction make it work better? Similar to a SLI set up, each set would improve the total processing power and such. Was thinking the three(Or two, considering Francis's battery level) could do a more effective job of hacking the cameras, power in numbers?

[Artemciy]

just a warning guys we only have 8 posts left till we go beyond 50 on the IC thread

Yup. Thanks.


I thought the goggles were telling me that it was possible to hack the cameras, but it wasn't going to walk me through the process or do it for me.

BTW, the actual cracking is a complicated process which, apart from some simple memorised cases, only a genious would be able to perform withing the necessary time limits. Therefore in the field you would use the exploits that were developed and tested beforehand. I don't think there is such a thing as "walking through the process" in the field, you eirther dig into source code which might take a lot of time, or you press a button (enter a command in the command line) and let the ready-made exploit work.


Hmm, would multiple sets working in conjunction make it work better? Similar to a SLI set up, each set would improve the total processing power and such. Was thinking the three(Or two, considering Francis's battery level) could do a more effective job of hacking the cameras, power in numbers?

It's certainly possible to implement, you might flash the idea to Jeanelle Freeman, the author (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?363589-Ferrum-Impressions-IC/page47#1389) of the bundle.

[Artemciy]

All I want for Christmas is obtenebration~
That said, have a merry Christmas everyone!

Thanks!

Recipe for Obtenebration: Anthony, fire, a hidden ingredient that you have. Mix and shake.
(I do hope Anthony isn't taken away by the Sabbat, though. He's acting rather carelessly, IMHO).

[cavalieredraghi]

Why is Anthony an Ingredient? and your opinion is noted.

[Artemciy]

Ouch. Never talk around an Auspexed Salubri.

Would you like helping to RP the millionaire, per chance?

[cavalieredraghi]

sure any mannerisms or personalities i should know, as well as he is sick but is he bed ridden?

[Artemciy]

Hmm, would multiple sets working in conjunction make it work better?

If the gadgets don't know better, they might actually step on each other's toes, turning a signal into a noise.

BTW: I've described Francis as skillfully using the thing. It might be inconsistent with his Wits and Int and Zero-Computer but I assume that with points in Larceny and Stealth at this age he should be aware of how the contemporary security works, so it's more being skillfull than inventive.

[Danteric]

Spending 1 blood point to use the Level 2 ritual Principle focus of vitae infusion, forming the blood into a small pill shaped red stone.
Diff:5
[roll0]

[Muenster Man]

Forgot to make Investigation roll

Perception+Investigation [roll0]

[Artemciy]

I'll wait for CavaliereDraghi to answer this investigation roll.
NB: Next IC post should go into a new thread.

[cavalieredraghi]

I'll wait for CavaliereDraghi to answer this investigation roll.
NB: Next IC post should go into a new thread.

Sorry just getting up. will post shortly.

[Artemciy]

No problem at all.
Good morning. )

[cavalieredraghi]

Morning. So those two seem like good Heart problems for our millionaire.

[Artemciy]

CavaliereDraghi, please edit your post (#3) to:
1) Match the story in my post (#2), in particular, him saying how to call him. Yes, I am controlling the millionaire here. When someone is controlling a character (even if it's your character, like Anthony or Daniel) it is polite to tailor your posts accordingly and not break the narrative.
2) Include at least one correct name, becase I've rolled Entropy to guess one.

As for John using Dominate, he's not here just to make the guy calmer, but I'll RP his suggestions to make it more explicit, NP.

[cavalieredraghi]

I actually did name him Nathaniel duck. Unless you had a better name. Also this guy is a millionaire he should not be an easy sell nor a hard one. Simply make a good argument no?

[Artemciy]

He doesn't have to be easy to go with the narrative and give a call name. For example: "Don't call me sh-t", "call my ass", "call me Murphy" (something he makes on the spot), "Name's Death to Swindlers, miss Adolf Titler", "Call me C-ck Jockey, Thunderc-nt", "Charles Dickens".

[cavalieredraghi]

Look you wanted me to RP the Millionaire. If you'd like take him back.

[Artemciy]

Whether it's a millionaire or any other character, when you RP him you should be mindful of the existing narrative.
I can edit my post for now, but keep that in mind, please.

[cavalieredraghi]

I am but even still the fact that he has not already called the police says he is willing to listen. What do you expect from break ing into the guy's house That even with dominate he'd be offering you milk wnd cookies?

[Artemciy]

Waken in the middle of the night, Dominated and surrounded by dangerous strangers you'd answer a question on a reflex, while your mind makes flips of "what's going on". It doesn't have to do anything with offering milk.

[cavalieredraghi]

yes dangerous strangers who for some reason while they are around you are calm and relaxed. thus you can think a little clearer. John did Dominate two or Mesmerize, which allows him to implant a thought or suggestion the words that followed where remain calm. thus Natheniel is calm but his cough are signs of his illness. a reasonable person would be calling the police if someone broke into there house, but Tanaka is talking to him while he is calm, and seducing him, so he is thinking he does not need to be hasty.

I am playing the character to the narrative. there is not need to change anything.

[Artemciy]

I am playing the character to the narrative. there is not need to change anything.

There are blanks in my #2 post I left for his call-name! There's a whole reason to change something.

[cavalieredraghi]

I quoted you and filled in the blanks do I need to bold those next time?

[Artemciy]

Erm. No, you didn't. http://prntscr.com/5jzolc
And "All right, I will call you" is still hanging, because there are two names in my #2 post, one that she guessed and one that he gives.

And large quotes aren't the way to go. You might want to read some other roleplays to see how such interactions are done. Need an example?
(In fact, now that you've quoted I can't edit your post. Quotes are mostly ignored by a reader who remembers the original, anyway).

[cavalieredraghi]

Erm. No, you didn't. http://prntscr.com/5jzolc
And "All right, I will call you" is still hanging, because there are two names in my #2 post, one that she guessed and one that he gives.
And large quotes aren't the way to go. You might want to read some other roleplays to see how such interactions are done. Need an example?
Why are you being difficult on this? I did fill in the name where Tanaka guessed his name. you are wanting to make an argument where I don't see one. really I am playing him to the narrative, as to how i think he'd react to it. Like I said take him back if you don't like it.

Plus you could never edit my posts, just like i can't edit yours I can qoute you and then edit the qoute ya.

[Artemciy]

I've edited post #2. Please remove the excessive and incorrect quotes from your post #3.


Why are you being difficult on this?
That's ridiculous. I'm telling you again, please be polite and mind the existing narrative when writing your posts. Consider this a rule of this game. Deviations will be penalized as bad RP.

[cavalieredraghi]

But I am minding it. that is what is upsetting. Telling me I am not minding it when i am, is what I am finding difficult.

[Artemciy]

Yes, I see now that you've tried to fill the blanks. The problem seems to be in the specifics. For future reference:
1) You don't edit other people's messages by quoting them. That's not how it is done in most roleplays I've seen and in this one.
(Also, it's an abuse of quoting semantics, creating a pseudo-quote).
Instead, you write your RP in a way that fills the blanks.
2) When I ask you to edit a post you should generally edit it, regardless of other concerns.

[cavalieredraghi]

I would if the way i was asked, was different, instead of telling me I am "breaking the Narrative" when I am writing along with it. try looking at what i am writing. and explain why it needs to change. Given that misreading seems to be a common issue with this game, I have done it i know, trying to be logical with one another and be helpful on improving one another's skills would be a better approach. Also here Qouting is an acceptable form of helping with the writing even editing them.


I need sleep, I am too hostile when i am tired.

[Artemciy]

I would if the way i was asked, was different, instead of telling me I am "breaking the Narrative"

CavalierDraghi,
I've asked you to edit the post: http://prntscr.com/5jzw7m. As simple as that.
Instead of "being easy" on me you decided to object and we had a lenghty discussion with multiple arguments.
Please stop placing blame. Editing a post when GM asks is a simple and basic rule, it's not a subject of this discussion.

[cavalieredraghi]

I felt it did match your post, this is why you don't give NPC's to Players. it will only cause argument.

[Artemciy]

I felt it did match your post, this is why you don't give NPC's to Players. it will only cause argument.

You do give NPCs to players. Please don't spew GM advice on me, especially when I've seen good GMs speaking to the contrary of it.

I have already said and will repeat again, the rules I'm talking about apply to any character, including PC characters such as Anthony and David, not just the millionaire.

[Muenster Man]

Francis is determined to go check up on their haven. He feels like anything useful he could be doing isn't where he's at currently. John or Tanaka could convince Francis to stay with a good reason, but that may be tough.

The only things that Francis has forgotten about is setting up a meet-up point after he's checked up on Anthony. Their current haven likely isn't anywhere close to being safe. It would probably be better to have a location set up prior to him leaving instead of risking long-distance communication. Depending on how confident John and Tanaka are, he could just meet back up at this location.

[Artemciy]

Muenster Man, have you overlooked the possibility to call him (using the Anarch's software, of course) or is ignoring it intentional? (E.g., should I point it out in IC or can I skip over it?)


instead of risking long-distance communication

Erm. If you're not risking it, does it mean you'll turn your goggles off? By default they are on.

[Muenster Man]

Been hesitant to use them for fear of being tracked, but with the new software it should be fairly safe. Also, he's thinking that if Anthony is in trouble, the answer he receives may not actually come from Anthony. But I'll have Francis shoot Anthony a quick message as he's leaving.


Erm. If you're not risking it, does it mean you'll turn your goggles off? By default they are on.
Also, I always forget that phones can simply be tracked just by having them on. They're still on.

[Artemciy]

Good idea wrapping that suggestion in a story, Danteric. Let me give you the "Master of suggestion" badge.


But I'll have Francis shoot Anthony a quick message as he's leaving.
Looks cool.

Have a merry Christmas, chums. :smallwink:

[Danteric]

I feel as if I should roll something for that story, maybe a subterfuge roll since it is technically a lie, but dont know if i'd need one considering hes under Tanaka's spell?

[Artemciy]

Consider it rolled (4d10vs6 = 9,8,10,2) and I'll scratch a note that you've used it in case you want to spend XP on it later.
(BTW, he's in a normal hypnotic trance now, what keeps him there is Tanaka's suggestion "You will remain in the trance" and not her spell, which was only used to induce the state).

[Danteric]

Oh my bad, John would wait until Tanaka took care of the security system before breaking him his hypnosis, atleast all our bases would be covered (pun?)

[Artemciy]

NP, just clarifying. You can put him out of trance too, naturally. I'm planning to end the night soon, though there seem to be a lot of complications I need to tackle.

[cavalieredraghi]

I have been thinking about this alot, and well I don't think I am the best fit for this game anymore. I am going to be backing out. Have fun guys.

[Danteric]

Sorry to see you go Cavalier, hope you have good luck in your future games!

[Artemciy]

Can't say I'm surprised. As far as I can tell, CavaliereDraghi was uncomfortable and suspicious with my handling of the game for quite some time (that's only my educated opinion, of course; feel free to disagree) and I did nothing about it.

Fare well, CavaliereDraghi. May the Game bring you more.

[Danteric]

As for ideas for the next night, I was thinking on asking Tanaka about helping me find some of those books we mentioned, after we get settled away and the like with our new Haven, or atleast spend a little bit of time studying the books we already have (AKA Koldunic). But unless Francis has some ideas, i'm sure something will come up :smallwink:

[Danteric]

Am busy at work ATM, but will get a post up in the morning or during the night of it's quiet enough. Feel free to AI my character until I can if it makes things easier

[Artemciy]

Happy new year everyone.
Wish you be sturdy and have loads of fun in VR and RL.

[Danteric]

Thanks! You too, and I'll get a post up in the morning if I can. Would it be possible to use aura perception on the guard to see if he's a mortal/ghoul/vampire?

[Artemciy]

Absolutely. He's mortal.

[Danteric]

Hope everyone had a great time during the holidays. Now that things have calmed down I can get back to regular posting, and working on a post now, if only a quick one.

[Artemciy]

't was good. Almost blew ourselves over with fireworks. :smallbiggrin:
Nice to hear that you'll be able to post.

BTW, a stranger who approached you in IC 18 and replied to Francis' question in IC 20, and the guard who is described as sitting in his booth in IC 20, they are two different corporeal entities. It would seem strange if John talked with both simultaneously, unless he's Malkavian or have a way to be in multiple places or both.
Please edit your post to separate the two, shouldn't be too hard. Unless you want us to merge them in some horribly spaced way.

[Danteric]

I was actually aiming to speak to the guard who passed us the package, but ill fix it up.

[Artemciy]

I was actually aiming to speak to the guard who passed us the package, but ill fix it up.

I don't see such a guard in the narrative.

[Danteric]

I don't see such a guard in the narrative.

My bad, fixed it up, let me know if anything else needs changing.

[Artemciy]

It's strange but John still talks to the guard about the package: http://prntscr.com/5nmhnn.
That pesky guard is getting everywhere. Maybe he's a ghost?

[Danteric]

That's my fault, I kept calling the stranger a Guard for whatever reason.

[Artemciy]

That's my fault, I kept calling the stranger a Guard for whatever reason.

Oh, so there's guard guard and there's stranger guard. Now I get it.

[Danteric]

Oh, so there's guard guard and there's stranger guard. Now I get it.

Yeah sorry, should've been more specific in my post.

[Artemciy]

No problem.

Wits+Computer [roll0] - I'd say that John might realize potential problems with his approach: VI and/or survelliance camera man (aka lamplighter) might notice any strange behaviors on the part of the guard. E.g. handing the keys is more suspicious than leading you inside, which is more suspicious than making him think of a reason for you to get inside in a natural way (e.g. inspection, urgent maintance, arrest, personal matter).
Also he should realize that by approaching the Guard guard he begins to leave a serious trace on the cameras, which is bad considering you're going to snatch someone from the prison.


John had shot a glance at Tanaka

Was it something she'd notice and react to?

[Danteric]

It can be if you'd like, was more fluff RP then anything else, I figured she'd be a little uncomfortable in the fact of what the stranger had said, otherwise it wasn't much.

Edit:Also I figured we would eventually be spotted either way, given the fact it is a high sec prison. I suppose hacking the cameras was a plausible action, but the thought of that failing would be horrifying. That and thinking of ways of breaking into a prison isnt exactly my Forte.

[Artemciy]

Also I figured we would eventually be spotted either way, given the fact it is a high sec prison.

It's not so much about breaking into the prison, which I hope is an interesting challenge, as about ignoring the cameras and VIs. Since the coterie should be familiar with them from the past encounters I thought it worth a Wits roll to remind about the problem. But you're already has this covered so nevermind.


I suppose hacking the cameras was a plausible action, but the thought of that failing would be horrifying. That and thinking of ways of breaking into a prison isnt exactly my Forte.

There are several other options for the cameras, the most obvious are Tanaka's offer in IC 18 (http://prntscr.com/5nnd8l) and the good old makeshift masks.

BTW, if tactic's not your (and MuensterMan) thing then I can fill that role, you need only to say the word.


I feel like we need to change something. Do you feel it?

[Danteric]

There are several other options for the cameras, the most obvious are Tanaka's offer in IC 18 (http://prntscr.com/5nnd8l) and the good old makeshift masks.

BTW, if tactic's not your (and MuensterMan) thing then I can fill that role, you need only to say the word.

In hindsight I really should've asked about her using the illusion, though I suppose theres still time. As for Tactics, i'm fine at some things, not so much at others, sometimes I just cant think of a solution, even though it could be staring me in the face. So sometimes hints, or those spoilers with varying choices do help greatly, as they give ideas and help the occasional writers block.

[Artemciy]

Got it.

Speaking of which, Tanaka is stupefied at the moment. If you ask her she'll come around to change your faces, but that's no longer a good idea (unless you're aiming to be a Network Zero star).

Instead of asking the guard to give you the keys and go home, which for him and for any observer would seem a very disruptive and strange behaviour, you might say that you're a high-ranking officer on an inspection and ask him to personally escort you to his superior. A similar tactic Croyd Crenson used in Zelazny "Long Sleep", BTW (just finished reading it, accidentally). Since it isn't a fight you have the time to pack several Dominate rolls into speech or ask Tanaka to put the man in a trance making him an easy target.

Some other options:
- Pull the Anarchs card (make some calls to help you with security and prison plans; maybe even find a weak link in security).
- Sabotage the power grid (your ghoul's Entropy skills might come in handy; the tactical (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tactic_%28method%29#Military_usage) challenge involves directing the whole group).
- Find a sturdy car, don makeshift masks and ram the gates, then use the element of surpirse and Tanaka's ability to locate Anthony to make the extraction before the city reacts.
- Entrance several guards and task them to fetch Anthony, using their best ability and acting as a team. (That way you don't even need to enter the prison, in theory).

P.S. IC updated.

[Muenster Man]

Posted in IC before reading OOC comments and potential suggestions. I like the "have the guards bring out Anthony" option, although Francis doesn't really possess the skills for that. John or Tanaka are free to cut off Francis at any time while he's talking and attempt a different approach.

[Artemciy]

Posted in IC before reading OOC comments and potential suggestions.

NP. A different guard (e.g. roll) could have called himself ill.
That's just an isolated guard booth, though. I wonder what would you do if the guard would've listened to your suggestion and closed shop, coming back into the prison to change clothes etc. (I see an option here, wonder if it is the same).

P.S. Want to come when T goes to talk with the weres?

P.S. Here's the option I've beel talking about earlier: Francis convinces the man to call sick. The guard goes to the prison, changes the clothes etc etc, then hopefully he goes back out and walks to his car in order to drive home (the parking is right there under the prison's walls, BTW, as you can see on the satellite map). We can follow his car then, leaving the camera range. When we get to the guard, we could either interrogate him about the prison layout and procedure or let Tanaka inpersonate him (she can also change Francis' or John's appearance to match the guard's but at Life 3 it's much harder to do than to change hers, and with Entropy she gets a better chance to navigate the prison without acting strange and making people suspicious).

BTW, if we're stuck with the prison mission then I'll start to push it forward.

[Danteric]

Sorry, yesterday was a hectic day for me, but working on a post now. Entrancing the guards to fetch them for us is a good idea IMO, why dirty our own hands when we can get the guards to do it? And even if it DOES fail, dominate cant be traced back to John, unless they secretly have a master thaumaturgist or mage hidden in the complex.

Edit:Now im not sure if im over thinking it, but entrancing multiple guards might be even more suspicious. What will the people watching the Cameras think when they see see some random visitor walking up to various guards, and all of them suddenly heading inside the building. So maybe at this point it might be more benefical to contact the Anarchs like you suggested, hopefully they'll have a few things to help us out with this, rather to be safe then sorry.

[Artemciy]

Now im not sure if im over thinking it, but entrancing multiple guards might be even more suspicious. What will the people watching the Cameras think when they see see some random visitor walking up to various guards, and all of them suddenly heading inside the building.

Absolutely. It wasn't a low profile option. Though it's possible to do it without raising any bells.


So maybe at this point it might be more benefical to contact the Anarchs like you suggested, hopefully they'll have a few things to help us out with this, rather to be safe then sorry.

Yup, good idea. I see it as a puzzle where you can solve different pieces with different resources. You can fight cameras with masks, impersonation, Anarch hacker connections. IMO you have a whole spectrum of options, from a fast incision to a general anaesthesia.

Don't spend too much time thinking, though. You won't have it in RL.
"In the words of the ancients, one should make his decisions within the space of seven breaths. Lord Takanobu said, “If discrimination is long, it will spoil. ” Lord Naoshige said, “When matters are done leisurely, seven out of ten will turn out badly. A warrior is a person who does things quickly.” When your mind is going hither and thither, discrimination will never be brought to a conclusion. With an intense, fresh and undelaying spirit, one will make his judgments within the space of seven breaths. It is a matter of being determined and having the spirit to break right through to the other side."

[Danteric]

Am busy at work will get a post up in morning

Edit:Post is up!

[Artemciy]

Great job, guys!

BTW, in case John doesn't tell Tanaka about Montgomery she's likely to have it a surprise, given that she's too focused on Anthony now to "look around" properly.

Also, what about the package, did John gave it to her or kept to himself?!

[Danteric]

John would've given it to Tanaka when she asked for it, forgot to include that sorry. I'm off to get some sleep now, i'll get another post up if I can before I head into work. Wonder what's going to happen next :smallbiggrin:

Also figured since John is two step bound to Monty (Due to Tremere clan weakness), he'd start thinking about him when mentioned or get's close to him, but i've never really RP'd a blood bond before, so trying to test the waters, so to speak.

[Artemciy]

Also figured since John is two step bound to Monty (Due to Tremere clan weakness), he'd start thinking about him when mentioned or get's close to him, but i've never really RP'd a blood bond before, so trying to test the waters, so to speak.

Yeah, I've noticed the RP! :smallsmile:


i'll get another post up if I can before I head into work

Sorry for the delay, I was hoping to write before you do.


He said quietly, unsure if she could even hear him.

That's a tricky business, actually. Her device is not officially in the Anarchs network and it's been phre-king communications to contact the vampire goggles. By sending a message she'd make sure there's some virtual alias John would be able to respond to, but making an audio call is a matter of different protocols. But since John actually established the audio connection in IC 35 it seems she had it covered.

[Danteric]

For whatever reason I thought Tanaka was communicating via her magic, akin to level 4 auspex, not by the glasses, though either method works. My next goal is to get Auspex 4, simply so we can have conversations without people listening in (Not that its impossible to do so).

[Artemciy]

via her magic, akin to level 4 auspex

Just in case, she doesn't have any such telepathy.
TL;DR
The Life+Entropy trick she uses is a much simpler synchronization of waves in specific body regions, useful to channel the visual or auditory signals between the brains but falling far short behind a thought exchange.
Anyway, she wouldn't use it when navigating the prison as it's a complex and distracting thing to maintain and also noisy because she'd need to hear her voice in order to sync it, and slow to establish because (with a lot of help from the Entropy effect) the brain still has to learn how to understand the unusual signal.

[Muenster Man]

I've been thinking about how to best use the stake and I remembered VtM: Bloodlines insanely accurate use of throwing stakes. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JTPf8eozg7Y&t=2m7s) But I'm imagining that if I threw the stake at Monty, it's more likely that this (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3r31GYay6Us&t=3m55s) would happen, except I'd be the one to get my face beaten in.

What do you think? In this game, do thrown objects (including stakes) mostly stick into their target with a decent roll? Or is throwing a stake a generally poor choice?

[Artemciy]

Wow. : D
Haven't seen this one.

Throwing sharp objects is cool, I've been waiting (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?363338-Ferrum-Impressions-OOC&p=18434761&highlight=melee#1357) to do that in this game.

The mechanics is quite clear. You're using Athletics (the same one you use for Dodge) in a Dexterity+Athletics roll (page 262).

Here's a couple of stake throwing moments from Vampire Hunter D: http://prntscr.com/5qb2q6, http://prntscr.com/5qb1q4


In this game, do thrown objects (including stakes) mostly stick into their target with a decent roll?

Yeah, definitely, with Francis's Strength, Dexterity and Celerity he could hurl even the low-mass object, such as the stake, with a speed sufficient to make an impact.
I might actually check the mass of the Rowan wood (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?363589-Ferrum-Impressions-IC&p=17926367#post17926367) to get a better idea. (Danteric, do you think it's Rowan or Oak?)

(I'd say that thrown objects are generally easier to dodge than a close strike simply because of the additional space which gives person a time to react. Then again, a thrown object is harder to see.)

P.S. I think the rule on page 262 got it backwards: "For every additional two pounds/one kilogram of weight that an object has, this distance decreases by five yards/meters (particularly heavy objects don’t go very far)." they say. But it's the other way around, heavy objects might go much farther than the light ones, as long as you have sufficient strength and speed to hurl them in the first place.

P.S. See also the Throwing specialty at http://www.thesubnet.com/portal/wod2/vtr/CreationSP.html for some NWoD examples (not directly affecting us, but still).

P.S.
What do you think? In this game, do thrown objects (including stakes) mostly stick into their target with a decent roll? Or is throwing a stake a generally poor choice?

Tell me rather, here (http://youtu.be/U5kwxs7EYuk?t=2h3m33s) Wong Fei-hung sends a bullet flying with just his middle finger (2:04:44), killing a villain with it. What will it take in the VtM game terms for a vampire to do that? I mean the physical attributes (and "normal" Celerity), not the magic-like Disciplines.

P.S. The cards example: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Card_throwing#Urban_legend_about_use_as_a_weapon (video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PxB5CseJqDg)).

From this (http://www.simetric.co.uk/si_wood.htm) it would seem to me that a cm3 of oak wood would weight 0.59 - 0.93 gram, so a stake could weight, say, 12-18 grams.
So let's say a kinetic energy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kinetic_energy) of a 200 gram (http://www.knifethrowing.info/weight_centerofgravity.html) knife at 60 km/h is 0.5 * (200 / 1000.0) * Math.pow (60 / 3.6, 2) = 27.(7) joules. To reach that energy with a 15 gram stake one needs a speed of 219 km/h. So a vampire will have to throw the stake 3.5 times faster than a knife to reach a decent penetration (not accounting for different air resistance). Sounds right?

A common nail weights even less (10 gram), so Tanaka would have had a hard time doing any damage with these (cf. video (http://www.discovery.com/tv-shows/mythbusters/videos/hollywood-gunslingers/)), except for the poison. These (http://s179.photobucket.com/user/defaultuser_photos/media/MyKnives/ThrowingNails.jpg.html) throwing spikes weight 90 grams in comparison.

[Muenster Man]

Intuitively, that seems right, which was kind of my worry. But given Francis' stats, it's plausible he could get it to stick even if few regular humans could. This is probably about as light an object as he could throw while still causing damage, give or take some mass given the density of the object. A throwing card or small metal bullet might require as much as 8 dots for Strength/Potence and Dexterity/Celerity to do any appreciable damage. Assuming Francis isn't too far away, a successful attack roll with the stake (with a bonus from flanking) would mean Francis gets to roll at least 7 damage dice opposed to Monty's soak roll, and all he needs is for one damage to go through to get the tip to break off and have John do his work.

But I'm really only using that in case the actual assault fails. The plan is for Francis to throw the stake at Monty, and regardless of hitting him or not, run up to him and fight him with his claws for one round. If there are guards around who would see the fight, Francis will try to leverage his perceived position of being apart of the IPCC and try to convince the guards that Monty has a gun and is trying to use it, even if he doesn't appear to be holding one (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RcDTvnyCZ8k&t=3m7s). Best-case scenario, I convince the guards that he has a gun (or better yet, Monty really is packing a gun). More plausibly, I cause them to hesitate enough that they don't immediately try and stop me. People are fairly bad at taking in all the details of a dangerous situation as it's happening, and their perceptions and memories are very impressionable during that time. Hopefully to them, it'll just look like Francis is trying to wrestle Monty to the ground rather than using supernatural claws to rend his flesh away. Afterwards, Francis will try and pull back and start opening fire with his dragon's breath rounds.

The VI will probably catch this on camera, so we'll probably need to pull some favors with our Nos friends to have any recordings wiped clean.

I don't really have a plan yet on how to deal with Monty's friend, but the goal is to at least hurt Monty enough that he'll need to limp away to try and recover, making him an easy target to track down and kill if we don't incapacitate or kill him now.

[Artemciy]

Excellent plan!


As he rounds the corner, he takes stock of who might end up watching the impending assault.

Just FYI: There's a single guard behind a bullet-proof glass closer to the entrance. He doesn't see you directly because you moved farther through the gate-house, though he might be watching you three on the CCTV.


The VI will probably catch this on camera, so we'll probably need to pull some favors with our Nos friends to have any recordings wiped clean.

L.Nikon has that covered.

P.S. So for Francis the situation is almost the same as the last turn, except his position is a bit more suspicious than before to any successfull Aura Perception users. He has claws, dex+1, a partial 3D map of the building in the HUD (courtesy to the helpful Anarch hacker) and a potential to attack from the flank. (Thanks for laying out your plans, I might proceed with the scene tomorrow, but till then should be plenty of time to flesh out your next move).


A throwing card or small metal bullet might require as much as 8 dots for Strength/Potence and Dexterity/Celerity to do any appreciable damage.

Hey, thans for the numbers! :smallsmile:

I'd say Dexterity here is more important than Strength (Gregor "The Mountain" Clegane could "crush skulls like grapes", e.g. Str 5, but he'd have a hard time throwing something fast, I think), but 8 for Dexterity looks good. Starting from your numbers, I'd stop at Dex 8 Celerity 5 for a margin from bashing to lethal damage, because Dexterity is about speed too, and since Celerity adds to Dexterity rolls it feels more like 8+5 Dexterity which should be rather good, and with Celerity 6 comes that Projectile Discipline anyway. Strength could be 4 (1/2 of Dex). A purely speculative notion so far.

With a bullet weight at 9-13 gram (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.40_S%26W) a human could throw it at 9.5 joules (0.5 * (11 / 1000.0) * Math.pow (150 / 3.6, 2)). If a vampire with a Dex 8+5 roll could throw it four times faster, he'd reach 152 joules, which should be lethal damage (http://www.tank-net.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=36782).

(A blade is harder to throw that fast, instead of ~150 km/h a human throws it at ~60 km/h, so if Tanaka had a 10 gram nail, she'd need to be 10 times faster than human to throw it at lethal speeds).

BTW, the formula in my previous calculations was wrong. I've edited the post.

[Artemciy]

and his lack of blood

Erm. Let's say John's nibbled a couple of prison warderns while at it?


description of himself

Feel free to correct the details if I took something wrong, BTW.

[Danteric]

I should've rephrased that as "disturbingly accurate description of himself" as he would've been caught off guard by the androids description. As for blood, sure. Was meaning to grab a bite before the prison but never got around to it, so I'll leave it to you on how much I might've taken.

[Muenster Man]

Coven jumped, his leg lending on the rim of the rising bars, and stepped to the side. But Francis wasn’t waiting for him to land, he stepped in, catching the feet, sidestepping and tearing.
I might be reading this wrong, but did Francis actually manage to grab at Monty's leg or did Francis just maintain his position relative to him?

[Artemciy]

Yup, he grabbed Monty's foot. :smalltongue:

[Muenster Man]

Wow! Wasn't really expecting that. I think I've got an idea of what to do, but I need to think about it first. The goal is to try to get him into a position where I can damage him without setting myself to get stabbed by the stake Monty now has in his possession.

Edit: Well, that seems about right. A dice pool of 6 yielding 5 successes :smallbiggrin:, immediately followed by a dice pool of 10 yielding five 1's :smallannoyed:

Fun fact: the probability of rolling 5 or more 1s with 10 dice is roughly 0.1634938 percent!

[Danteric]

Ouch, guess I'm not the only one with bad luck on the rolls, but don't worry, help is on the way! Probably....I hope.

[Artemciy]

Ouch, guess I'm not the only one with bad luck on the rolls, but don't worry, help is on the way! Probably....I hope.

Would you try to nail him to the ground with Grasping Soil right about now in game-time?

[Danteric]

If there's enough soil around for it to work, I would definitely try. Every bit would help at the moment I think.

[Artemciy]

Yeah, plenty of soil patches around.

[Danteric]

Mkay, then John would definitely attempt to bind Monty, hopefully giving francis any extra opportunities to take him down, maybe if I'm lucky I'll even get to do a lethal damage or two to him before soaking :p

How much blood would have John been able to take from the guards earlier btw?

[Artemciy]

Mkay, then John would definitely attempt to bind Monty, hopefully giving francis any extra opportunities to take him down

Yup, thinking of a combo.


How much blood would have John been able to take from the guards earlier btw?

$ random -c 3*3d10vs7
1) 3d10 vs 7 [10,10,3] = 2
2) 3d10 vs 7 [2,2,2] = Failure
3) 3d10 vs 8 [1,3,6] = Botch
Total: 2

Ups. Only two BP and there was a complication, but that's in the past.

[Danteric]

That botch terrifies me, just saying:smalleek:

As for combos, maybe as francis grabbed montys leg, the soil grabbed on to his other leg and threw him off balance?

[Artemciy]

That botch terrifies me, just saying:smalleek:

Yeah, probably had a lot of explaining to do. :smalltongue:


As for combos, maybe as francis grabbed montys leg, the soil grabbed on to his other leg and threw him off balance?

That would be John acting before Francis, not to mention that Monty isn't even on the ground at that moment. I'm thinking a bit later.

P.S. Danteric, before the next turn I'd like a Frenzy roll due to the fire in IC 47. Difficulty 7, I think. Would you roll it?
Muenster Man, if your character attacks next turn keep in mind that he can kill the Assamite for good. That would be... an interesting complication.

[Danteric]

Sure thing! Let's see if I fail again and run away like usual :P So I should ask, are the flames actually causing me any damage? Am curious to what will happen before writing up a post

[roll0]

[Artemciy]

Nothing like that, but you're in control this time, anyway. :smalltongue:

The fire engulfed John but what he felt was due more to fear than pain.
Some of the options:
- Run past the prison officer into the door he just opened to find a bathrum or any source of water (kind of silly, but that's what first came to mind). He hasn't fell asleep yet BTW (it can be a lenghty process), but close.
- Shout to the Technocracy representative and her bodyguards, telling her friend from foe.
- Focus on the strange feelings rising in you with the fire.


are the flames actually causing me any damage?

No.

[Danteric]

Fallen asleep? I wasn't aware being caught on fire put you to sleep (I'm used to near-instant death), or is it getting close to daylight?

Working on a post now!

[Artemciy]

Not you, the prison officer almost did. :smalltongue:


to see the Void engineer make a strange gesture with her arms

AFAIK, the german-looking blonde interrogator who is taking the Montgomery into the prison is not a Void Engineer. Please edit.

[Danteric]

Oh my bad, I thought he dominated the void engineer, will edit now.

[Muenster Man]

While I'm not sure if this is a realistic option for John, I'd love to see him bear-hug the blonde Sabbat women while engulfed in flames. That might be too much of a pragmatic option even for John, though, since it's probably taking most of his focus not to go into a frenzy right now.

As for the Francis v. Montgomery re-match, I accept the possible/probably death of Monty with this next attack. It's kind of a shame if he does die; no one will get to diablerize him. While Francis would be tempted to do it, his previous experience with diablerie has left him a little shaken. He worries that another voice in his head could subvert his will, and he's not sure if that voice would be Montgomery or Mithras. John would likely miss out, though. If Francis merely subdues Montgomery, he'll offer him up to John.

But regardless of the outcome, there's going to be a complication. Kill him, and suddenly that paints a huge target on our backs. Yeah, we'd gain recognition and probably weaken the Sabbat's grip on London. But we could also probably anticipate a Black Hand hit squad to try and take us out. But say we do subdue him. Francis won't let him live, and John will likely want to suck his soul out. And if John does do that, then the Camarilla may not be so forgiving. Especially considering that he'd sort of be devouring Mithras' soul. And I really doubt we'd be able to hide the evidence. Some Nosferatu hacker will have video of Francis and Monty fighting, followed by Francis dragging Monty's body towards John, then they leave, and suddenly no one knows where Monty's body is.

[Danteric]

Personally I wish I could diablerize him, and given his past crimes, the Camarilla would (I use that word loosely) likely turn their head the other way. And in anarch states, apparently they are neutral about diablerie, but of course i'd leave such a thing up to Artemciy. Would be nice though, one can always dream :smallbiggrin:

[Muenster Man]

I would've assumed that as well, but given the case of John Trent (http://whitewolf.wikia.com/wiki/John_Trent) (yes, another Tremere named John), who after diablerizing Petaniqua (http://whitewolf.wikia.com/wiki/Petaniqua) assumed her place on the Camarilla's Red List for the sin of taking her taint into his soul. So, we can't really be certain what the hypothetical verdict could be. And unfortunately, I don't really see the Anarchs having the power to rule London themselves. So it's up to either the Sabbat or Camarilla to judge us, and I don't think the Sabbat will be that forgiving at this point.

If, and I'm really hoping this happens, the Sabbat lose power and the Camarilla come back, we could be smart and try to leverage our position as heroes who destroyed important Sabbat leaders, Monty and Black Sphinx, although Sphinx seemed more of a mid-level guy. If we do that, they'd probably be willing to look the other way, although Queen Anne would likely want John taken out, since he'd have part of Mithras inside of him, and thus could potentially have a claim to London.

Gotta love them vampire politics!

[Danteric]

Are these wings physically there? As in large bat-like wings sprouting from his back, or there more in the magical sense, invisible magically based wings?

[Muenster Man]

Since she basically burst into flames right in front of him, it's probably appropriate that I should have Francis roll against the Red Fear.

Courage: [roll0]

Hmmm, barely a success, assuming difficulty 6. I don't think I'll have Francis run away, but I will alter what I was planning on doing with him.

[Artemciy]

Using dragon breath definitely means the Courage roll. I made one for Coven. And the surface which is hit by the blast begins to burn pretty fast, so her clothes are burning, yes.


Are these wings physically there?

It's a variation of Obtenebration, unpacked your Christmas present (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?387196-Ferrum-Impressions-OOC-2&p=18558091#151) for you. So far it's triggered by fire.

The shadows has a semblance of a physical presence, yes.


I went ahead and described the past round from Francis' perspective.

Good call.

[Danteric]

Willpower roll to "Do something else"

[roll0]

[Muenster Man]

I would like to point out that Celerity can only be used for physical disciplines.

"the player can spend one blood point to take an extra action up to the number of dots he has in Celerity at the beginning of the relevant turn; this expenditure can go beyond her normal Generation maximum. Any dots used for extra actions, however, are no longer available for Dexterity- related rolls during that turn. These additional actions must be physical (e.g., the vampire cannot use a mental Discipline like Dominate multiple times in one turn)" (p. 142, underneath the description of Celerity).

To pull off using both Dominate and Presence in a single turn, Monty would need Temporis 5.

That being said, given Francis' near failure on his roll against the Red Fear, I will probably opt to not use Willpower to resist either ability, at least for this turn. He's probably too distracted to appropriately resist right now.