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Void Bovine
2014-12-13, 11:48 AM
Was wondering if a zombie or skeleton would keep bonus feat as a fighter since they still retain single HD from a class? There is no implication that they loose it since it says base creature feats that to me implies racial feats and feats from lvling. Nothing about class feats and appears they retain the class just change in HD step to D12.

Inevitability
2014-12-13, 12:07 PM
Feats: A skeleton loses all feats of the base creature and gains Improved Initiative.

So no, they will just lose it. If the base creature is a fighter, fighter bonus feats are still feats of the base creature.

ShurikVch
2014-12-13, 01:36 PM
On the other hand, awakened skeleton or zombie will regain all it's feats (among other things)

Also, if necromancer-creator have feat Graveborn Warrior (Dr#312), skeleton/zombie may get any bonus feat it's qualify for. It will cost extra 25 gp of components, and 1 virtual HD (for control purposes)

Necroticplague
2014-12-13, 05:21 PM
Was wondering if a zombie or skeleton would keep bonus feat as a fighter since they still retain single HD from a class?
Nope, they lose all feats from the base creature. You may retain the HD from the class level, but you don't keep the class level itself. Because zombies and skeletons are mindless, they can't have class levels.



There is no implication that they loose it since it says base creature feats that to me implies racial feats and feats from lvling.
In which case, your implications are wrong. You don't just apply the template to the race of a creature, you apply it to the creature as a whole. You don't just add the zombie template to "a human". You add the template to "Frodrick, the Human lvl 1 warrior", including taking his class levels into account (which would make him lose the feats, as per the template).



Nothing about class feats and appears they retain the class just change in HD step to D12. Because they don't need to mention class feats, because those are a subset of feats, which they lose (and class levels, which they also lose). For precedence, look at the example zombies. Note that the human zombie is not listed as having a class, despite humans not having any RHD, and thus always having class levels (usually in an npc class).