what combo is better for pathfinder?

[Ringtail69]

i am trying to make a high level spellcasting character (thirty five levels) and i was thinking of a witch/wizard, wizard/cleric or a witch/cleric combo?

the majority of the party is unsure of what they are going to make except for one player who is 20 levels fighter and 15 levels barbarian. so is there any recomendations on what classes i should take and what level spread?

[Urpriest]

Depends. What epic ruleset is your DM using? By default you can't make characters above level 20 in standard Pathfinder, so some houserules are in play. Are you using 3.5's epic rules? Something else?

[Dezea]

35 get pretty pointless quite fast actually, and the rules are really not shaped around stuff like that.

Why not try going mythic maybe ?
Or, if you really are set on trying a game that work at level 35, you can probably go for something funnier than Wiz/Witch.

Hmmm... Wiz3/Rogue1/Assassin1/Oracle of war 4 (Weapon Proficiency)/Arcane trickster 10/Eldricht Knight 10/ Mystic theurge 6.

Do note that the amount of cheese into this is absolutely non-existant, and that you could go for some dirty early entry if you wanted to.
At least this get you 20+ CL on Wizard and 10 CL on Oracle, on top of being an awesome crit-fishing quickcasting rapier gangster.

(And let's face this, you will obviously not be as strong as a 2xCL 20 T1 caster, but I bet you won't be as bored by your character)

[Ssalarn]

Depends. What epic ruleset is your DM using? By default you can't make characters above level 20 in standard Pathfinder, so some houserules are in play. Are you using 3.5's epic rules? Something else?

The CRB does include some short-form rules for play beyond 20th, so assuming they're using those...

3 levels of Wizard, 10 levels of Cleric, 10 levels of Mystic Theurge, 5 levels of Skald, 7 levels of Eldritch Knight.

[grarrrg]

Based on your desire to multiclass, I'm going to assume that level "21" of any given class does not exist, and therefore level 20 is the highest Casting you can achieve.

Winter Witch (https://sites.google.com/site/pathfinderogc/classes/base-classes/witch/archetypes/paizo---witch-archetypes/winter-witch) 20/Winter Witch (http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/prestige-classes/other-paizo/s-z/winter-witch) 10

Winter Witch (PrC) gains this:

Levels of the winter witch prestige class stack with witch levels for determining when she learns new hexes, the effect of her hexes and other witch class abilities (including archetype abilities), the abilities of her witch's familiar, and the level at which she can select major hexes or grand hexes.

Anything that runs off of Witch Levels would now be running off of a Witch level of 30.
At the very least this bumps up the Save DC's to 25+INT (vs. 20+INT for Witch 20).
And anything with a duration/effect based on Witch Level would also benefit nicely.

You might also be able to weasel your way into getting 5 more (Grand?) Hexes:

She gains an additional hex at 2nd level and for every 2 levels attained after 2nd level
Winter Witch levels count as Winter Witch levels, so...

Extra bonus combo:
Winter Witch 11/Winter Witch 10/Evangelist (http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/prestige-classes/other-paizo/e-h/evangelist) 10
Evangelist stacks with _everything_ for 9/10 levels, gives a handful of bonuses, and gives you the HD/Bab/Saves of Evangelist. That's an extra 2 Bab, an extra ~10 HP, and FORTY more Skill Points! It has a good Reflex Save, but poor Fort/Will.

Final note, Winter Witch (archetype) stacks with Scarred Witch Doctor (https://sites.google.com/site/pathfinderogc/races/other-races/featured-races/arg-orc/scarred-witch-doctor-witch-orc). CON-Casting for the wins!

[Kraken]

Wizard cleric works pretty well. If you're willing to use the rules to the max, so to speak, you can enter mystic theurge at level 4. Cleric1/wizard2/theurge10 takes care of your first 13 levels. For your next 22 levels I might go fighter2/eldritch knight10/hell knight signifier10 (http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/prestige-classes/other-paizo/e-h/hellknight-signifer). You can replace the fighter levels with paladin, gunslinger, or whatever fits your style. Or you could go a sneakier route and do wizard1/cleric3/rogue1/theurge10/master spy10 (http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/prestige-classes/other-paizo/i-m/master-spy)/arcane trickster10, which would get you 13th level cleric casting and 21st level wizard casting, plus various stealth, infiltration, and assassination abilities, along with 10d6 sneak attack. Master spy's pre req feats really suck, though.

[Extra Anchovies]

If you're willing to use the rules to the max, so to speak, you can enter mystic theurge at level 4.

How? Is it that darn racial SLAs thing again? I hate that rule.

[Kraken]

How? Is it that darn racial SLAs thing again? I hate that rule.

Yep. Not as big a deal at level 35, I suppose.

[grarrrg]

On a related note to the Witch stacking thing...

Brawler+Monk
Count as a level 35 Monk for a ton of things.
35/day Stunning Fists
35/day Elemental Fists

Would recommend Master of Many Styles Monk and REALLY put Fuse Style to work.


Could make a frick'n sweet Gundolon. Plenty of room for all 20 levels of Synthesist, would be able to get DEX and CHA to damage, plenty of room for other things as well.


!:smalleek::smallbiggrin::smallcool:!
STOP THE THREAD!
Bigger Boat Eidolon (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?245496-PF-We-re-gonna-need-a-bigger-boat) + Warpriest
Synthesist 20/Warpriest 15
Warpriest lets you use Sacred Weapon damage on any weapon you have Weapon Focus for.
A level 15 Warpriest gets 2d6 damage for a Medium sized weapon.
Take Weapon Focus for a Natural Attack (likely Claws as they are a cheap Primary), this bumps the base damage from 1d4 up to 2d6.
From here apply the standard "Bigger Boat" buffs. :smalleek:

Alternately, Synthesist 15 has a Nat. Attack Cap of 6 (1 less), BUT Warpriest 20 would bump the damage up to 2d8 at Medium > More damage, 1 less attack.

Or, for a good deal less crazy, do the same thing, but forget about Natural Attacks, and pile on the Arms and grab a ton of Light Weapons.

[Extra Anchovies]

Or, for a good deal less crazy, do the same thing, but forget about Natural Attacks, and pile on the Arms and grab a ton of Light Weapons.

You know you're in T1 circles when a hecatoncheires Eidolon is less cheesy than the optimal suggestion :smalltongue:

[grarrrg]

You know you're in T1 circles when a hecatoncheires Eidolon is less cheesy than the optimal suggestion :smalltongue:

Well, without crunching the numbers I think the hundred-handed-one is actually more 'optimal', but there are more ways to boost Natural Attack damage. I mean the Bigger Boat starts with an attack that does 1d8 and ends up doing 12d10 or so, and the Warpriest idea potentially starts at _2_d8.

I think the Natural attack version will definitely put out crazier-high numbers per attack, I just don't think it would be best overall.

[Vhaidara]

i am trying to make a high level spellcasting character (thirty five levels) and i was thinking of a witch/wizard, wizard/cleric or a witch/cleric combo?

Yes. At level 35, mixing two full casting classes.

I would recommend something more like Bloodrager 20/Magus 15. They both have casting, and this gives you a Magus with a full BAB

[grarrrg]

I would recommend something more like Bloodrager 20/Magus 15. They both have casting, and this gives you a Magus with a full BAB

Well, yeah, if you want to go the boring route...:smalltongue:

For this I would recommend Eldritch Scion (http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/base-classes/magus/archetypes/paizo---magus-archetypes/eldritch-scion) Magus, as that would reduce the MAD of having different casting stats.


OH! With 35 levels you'd actually be able to use Broad Study (http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/base-classes/magus/magus-arcana/paizo---magus-arcana/broad-study-ex) to full (or near full) effect!
Still wouldn't be able to fit in a full Magus 20 AND get 9th level spells though...
Either Magus 20/Wizard+PrC 15 for 8th level Spell Combat, and you'd have the benefits of True Magus
Or something like Magus 14/Wizard 1/Eldritch Knight 10/HellKnight Signifier 10 (using Magus casting to -qualify- for EK, but then choosing to advance Wizard). EK is for Full Bab and 9/10 Casting, Signifier is for the 3/4 Bab, Full Casting, and reduces Arcane Spell Failure in Armor by 10%.

[Vhaidara]

For this I would recommend Eldritch Scion (http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/base-classes/magus/archetypes/paizo---magus-archetypes/eldritch-scion) Magus, as that would reduce the MAD of having different casting stats.

I was actually going to recommend that, but at that level he can afford the mental +6 item and both tomes. And Eldritch Scion is actually kind of eh. You need to pop a swift every two rounds to use spell combat. Haven't gotten to play a magus, so don't really know the action economy on them for what the value of a swift is. And then I actually read the next line.

Also, there's the gems of Improved and Greater Spell Combat for Eldritch Scion.


At 14th level, an eldritch scion gains the improved spell combat class feature.

This ability alters improved spell combat.