choryukami
2014-12-24, 05:13 PM
One of my friends is running a 3.5 game and I decided I would make a Rogue/Wizard combo. I was not fully in the "Sneak Attack with Rays" camp, though I kept it in the build as an option. He'll have Two Weapon Fighting Feats, and I like the idea of mixing Unarmed Strikes with Armed attacks.
I know this is not an optimal build, and that is fine. I'm pretty sure nobody else has any idea what they're doing as far as min/maxing. And I don't want to make it obscenely powerful for that reason, so I don't break the game. There's also some question whether we'll be using Pathfinder-type skills or pure 3.5 skills (Perception vs Hide/Move Silently, etc). I know it's a pain in the butt comparatively to use 3.5 skills.
Race: Human
Gets: Bonus Skill Point, Bonus Feat, Access to Able Learner, Human Paragon, etc
Needs: High Dex, Int, Mid Cha, Con
Level 1: Rogue 1
Gets: 8+ Skill Points, Sneak Attack, ¾ base attack
Level 2: Wizard 1 (Diviner, Barred Necro?)
Gets: Scribe Scroll or Fighter Feat, 1st Level Spells (Utility and Attack Spells), Mage Hand if needed, ½ base attack, better Will Save, Familiar (Alertness), Cat Stealth (+3 Move Silently/Stealth)
Level 3-5: Human Paragon 1-3 (Unearthed Arcana)
Gets: Bonus Feat, +2 spellcasting level (Up to 2nd level Wizard Spells), Good Will Save, ¾ base attack, Adaptive Learning (Keep a skill as a class skill forever), (Levels in Paragon Classes donot count for XP penalties), +2 Ability Boost (Dex)
Level 6: Spellthief 1 (CAdv)
Gets: Spellsteal (Take Master Spellthief feat CScoundrel 79), Sneak +1d6, Enough skills to take Unseen Seer though less than Rogue
Level 7+: Unseen Seer 1-10 (CMag 81)
All the things.
Feats:
1: Two Weapon Fighting
1: Weapon Finesse (Human Bonus)
2: Scribe Scroll, or Improved Initiative/Improved Unarmed Strike (trade for Fighter feat)
3: Craven (CoR) +1 per char level SA
4: Superior Unarmed Strike (ToB) (Human Paragon Bonus)
6: Master Spellthief (CScoun)
8: Silent Spell (Bonus UnS)
9: Improved Two-Weapon Fighting
12: Practiced Spellcaster (CArc)
Spellcasting
1: No Spells
2 (Wiz1): All Cantrips, Golem Strike, Light of Lunia (SC132), True Strike, Extra Int Mod: Summon Monster I, Shield. Some Extras to Learn from Scrolls: Identify, Disguise Self, Feather Fall
3: No New Spells
4 (Wiz2): (See Above)
5 (Wiz3): Cloud of Knives (PHII 107), Invisibility. Some Extras to Learn from Scrolls: Darkvision, Cat’s Grace, Knock, Levitate, Wraithstrike (SC 243)
6: No New Spells
7 (Wiz4): Scorching Ray, Spider Climb
8 (Wiz5): Dispel Magic, Blink, Fly, Tongues, Advanced Learning (Grave Strike)
9 (Wiz6):
10 (Wiz7):
11 (Wiz8): Advanced Learning (Hunter’s Eye)
Skills
Rogue: (8+ Int)
Bluff, Disable Device, Open Lock, Perception (Listen, Search, Spot), Sleight of Hand (one point), Stealth (Hide, Move Silently), Tumble, Use Magic Device
If PF skills: Add Diplomacy and Sense Motive
Wizard: (2+ Int)
Concentration, Knowledge (Arcana), Knowledge (Something), Spellcraft,
Human Paragon (4 + Int) Choose Any 10 skills for skill list
[Disable Device, Open Lock, Perception (Listen, Search, Spot), Stealth (Hide, Move Silently), Tumble, Use Magic Device, possibly Iaijutsu Focus, probably not]
Actual Skills raised: Disable Device, Open Lock, Perception (Listen, Search, Spot), Stealth (Hide, Move Silently), Tumble, Use Magic Device, possibly Iaijutsu Focus
Spellthief: (6+Int)
Disable Device, Open Lock, Perception (Listen, Search, Spot), Stealth (Hide, Move Silently), Tumble, Use Magic Device
Combat Strategy (Low Levels): Sneak Attack with a Low Level Ray like Ray of Frost, cast Light of Lunia or Cloud of Knives, charge into Melee (possibly move to within 5 feet then 5 foot and Full Attack on next round). He'll probably use a Rapier and off-hand will be an Unarmed Strike (either fist or kick if holding a wand), continue until endangered, cast Shield, Summon Monster or Invisibility and back away, then heal and repeat. This'll change a little bit as he gets more spells, wands or whatever.
Any thoughts?
I know this is not an optimal build, and that is fine. I'm pretty sure nobody else has any idea what they're doing as far as min/maxing. And I don't want to make it obscenely powerful for that reason, so I don't break the game. There's also some question whether we'll be using Pathfinder-type skills or pure 3.5 skills (Perception vs Hide/Move Silently, etc). I know it's a pain in the butt comparatively to use 3.5 skills.
Race: Human
Gets: Bonus Skill Point, Bonus Feat, Access to Able Learner, Human Paragon, etc
Needs: High Dex, Int, Mid Cha, Con
Level 1: Rogue 1
Gets: 8+ Skill Points, Sneak Attack, ¾ base attack
Level 2: Wizard 1 (Diviner, Barred Necro?)
Gets: Scribe Scroll or Fighter Feat, 1st Level Spells (Utility and Attack Spells), Mage Hand if needed, ½ base attack, better Will Save, Familiar (Alertness), Cat Stealth (+3 Move Silently/Stealth)
Level 3-5: Human Paragon 1-3 (Unearthed Arcana)
Gets: Bonus Feat, +2 spellcasting level (Up to 2nd level Wizard Spells), Good Will Save, ¾ base attack, Adaptive Learning (Keep a skill as a class skill forever), (Levels in Paragon Classes donot count for XP penalties), +2 Ability Boost (Dex)
Level 6: Spellthief 1 (CAdv)
Gets: Spellsteal (Take Master Spellthief feat CScoundrel 79), Sneak +1d6, Enough skills to take Unseen Seer though less than Rogue
Level 7+: Unseen Seer 1-10 (CMag 81)
All the things.
Feats:
1: Two Weapon Fighting
1: Weapon Finesse (Human Bonus)
2: Scribe Scroll, or Improved Initiative/Improved Unarmed Strike (trade for Fighter feat)
3: Craven (CoR) +1 per char level SA
4: Superior Unarmed Strike (ToB) (Human Paragon Bonus)
6: Master Spellthief (CScoun)
8: Silent Spell (Bonus UnS)
9: Improved Two-Weapon Fighting
12: Practiced Spellcaster (CArc)
Spellcasting
1: No Spells
2 (Wiz1): All Cantrips, Golem Strike, Light of Lunia (SC132), True Strike, Extra Int Mod: Summon Monster I, Shield. Some Extras to Learn from Scrolls: Identify, Disguise Self, Feather Fall
3: No New Spells
4 (Wiz2): (See Above)
5 (Wiz3): Cloud of Knives (PHII 107), Invisibility. Some Extras to Learn from Scrolls: Darkvision, Cat’s Grace, Knock, Levitate, Wraithstrike (SC 243)
6: No New Spells
7 (Wiz4): Scorching Ray, Spider Climb
8 (Wiz5): Dispel Magic, Blink, Fly, Tongues, Advanced Learning (Grave Strike)
9 (Wiz6):
10 (Wiz7):
11 (Wiz8): Advanced Learning (Hunter’s Eye)
Skills
Rogue: (8+ Int)
Bluff, Disable Device, Open Lock, Perception (Listen, Search, Spot), Sleight of Hand (one point), Stealth (Hide, Move Silently), Tumble, Use Magic Device
If PF skills: Add Diplomacy and Sense Motive
Wizard: (2+ Int)
Concentration, Knowledge (Arcana), Knowledge (Something), Spellcraft,
Human Paragon (4 + Int) Choose Any 10 skills for skill list
[Disable Device, Open Lock, Perception (Listen, Search, Spot), Stealth (Hide, Move Silently), Tumble, Use Magic Device, possibly Iaijutsu Focus, probably not]
Actual Skills raised: Disable Device, Open Lock, Perception (Listen, Search, Spot), Stealth (Hide, Move Silently), Tumble, Use Magic Device, possibly Iaijutsu Focus
Spellthief: (6+Int)
Disable Device, Open Lock, Perception (Listen, Search, Spot), Stealth (Hide, Move Silently), Tumble, Use Magic Device
Combat Strategy (Low Levels): Sneak Attack with a Low Level Ray like Ray of Frost, cast Light of Lunia or Cloud of Knives, charge into Melee (possibly move to within 5 feet then 5 foot and Full Attack on next round). He'll probably use a Rapier and off-hand will be an Unarmed Strike (either fist or kick if holding a wand), continue until endangered, cast Shield, Summon Monster or Invisibility and back away, then heal and repeat. This'll change a little bit as he gets more spells, wands or whatever.
Any thoughts?