EMPIRE! CWBG XII: GOTY, now with optionally free Cthulhu and Pony DLC!

[Morph Bark]

Hello! Pleasant to see you here! However, we've moved on to a newer thread. The current thread is here (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?399391-EMPIRE!-CWBG-XIII-F5-Document-Spirits-F10-Summon-Balepig-Keeper-of-Oaths). Come on in!



EMPIRE!
Gods, Kings & Adventurers
A Community World=Building Game by Morph Bark

Now officially celebrating its one-year anniversary!

Current Year: 491-496
IC thread: click (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?326407-EMPIRE!-A-World-Building-Game-of-People-amp-Discovery)!
Dice-Rolling thread: click (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?388673-EMPIRE!-The-Community-Dice-Rolling-Thread-The-2nd)!


NOTE:
Every so often, the rules have small updates, marked in red. If you discover a hole in the rules, please report it so it can be looked into and taken care of. We try to make the rules as clear, solid and usable as they can be, so they don't need a GM to make rulings too often.



Welcome to EMPIRE! A game of gods, kings and adventurers. In this game, you will play a character, a ruler of a region. And once s/he dies, you will play their heir and so on, continuing on the family legacy. You scheme, discover and conquer your way towards becoming the most-remembered person in history. Respected, loved, feared.

This world will start as a simple one similar to the times of the Middle Ages, but through the actions of players and random events the scope of the world will expand, science marches on and magic may even be introduced. Magic is rare, though monsters may be abound in players’ regions, strange natural resources or the crafts of alchemy may be at their use and supernatural phenomena can take place.

Best beware if you want to ensure your legacy.


If you want to become a player and all regions are currently taken, don't worry. New regions can always be added in during play, and we can put you on the waiting list in the meantime if need be. If Empire interests you, but you don't want to play the game, you can always partake in the Freeform RP threads that are open to everyone, or even in its World-Building threads. See the list at the end of this post.


Be warned! This is primarily a game of world-building, but contains some strategic elements, secretive scheming, and both cooperation and vehement competition between players at times. It's all easy enough to understand once you've read through the rules, and GREAT fun to play in and talk with all your co-world-builders in this thread, but keep in mind that in the game itself, IC, it can be a very bumpy ride. Let us ask questions, help each other, communicate, cooperate, build and have fun OOC, even as we bash each other's brains in IC. :smallwink:

Also, if you have a question, and you can ask a player (about their region or people, for instance), ask them instead of the GM. If you can ask it in the thread, do that instead of via PM. The GM's PM inbox is regularly cleared and thus things can easily get lost, so try keep it to secret stuff and (IC) reactions to stuff you get in your own inbox.


Atlas
Below is the most current map of the known world. Here (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?351078-Empire!-The-Lands-of-Telluris-(the-fluff-beyond-the-crunch)) is a list of regions that has been claimed and by whom. It is slightly outdated, so if you aim to take over a certain region, it is always good to double-check in the main thread (this one) whether it is taken or not. It might even currently be in the process of being taken over by someone else. This is especially good advice to new players, because then you're more aware of the general situation of the area you'll be dropping into.

http://i.imgur.com/20MFMck.jpg


http://i.imgur.com/sSLXsXS.png


The Rules of the Game
See this thread (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?376064-EMPIRE!-Rules-and-Administration).


Game Masters
Rulecrafter: Morph Bark

Head GM: QuintonBeck

GM Team: Aedilred, TheWombatOfDoom, Waylander



~ ~ [u]GM Data Collection ~ ~
All the information on rulers & regions

See this thread (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?376064-EMPIRE!-Rules-and-Administration) for all records of rulers, population, military, agents, technologies, etc.

See this thread (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?348164-EMPIRE!-Trade-and-Resources) for all records on resources and trade.

New Player Tips and Advice (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?338792-EMPIRE!-Community-W-B-Game-IV-****-Is-Getting-Real-It-s-Always-Getting-Real!&p=17246712&viewfull=1#post17246712) (Morph)

FAQ - Frequently Asked Questions (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=16948341&postcount=8) (Wombat)



Extra Player Resources (For the Players, By the Players)
Heraldry Generator (http://rpg.uplink.fi/heraldry/) (thanks, Logic!)
Family Banner Generator (http://www.jointherealm.com/)
Flag Generator (http://flag-designer.appspot.com/) (thanks, Logic!)
Family Tree Builder (http://www.familyecho.com/) (thanks, zabbarot!)

Should there be anything incorrect or not updated yet about any of the above tables it’s always possible that the GM or co-GM in charge of that has missed it. If so, please feel free to inform us with the proper, most updated information.



Fluff-Building Threads
The following threads are purely for expanding on existing fluff or theorizing about the history or make-up of the world. Some of them are in-character role-play bits, some are projects for creating maps, others are quotes or excerpts from books.

Pre-History (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?340307-EMPIRE!-Pre-history-Thread) (World-Building, pre-Year 1, pre-Year 330)
Rajurdic Codex (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=329784) (Year 338+)
Scrolls of Prowess (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?p=16955975) (Year 349+)
Bestiary of Telluris (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=332266) (Year 354+)
Regional Maps (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?344206-Empire!-Regional-Maps) (World-Building)
Northern Hemisphere Star Map (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?344208-EMPIRE!-North-Hemisphere-Star-Map) (World-Building)
13 Swords of the True Jaaku Na (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?381209-Empire!-13-Swords-of-the-True-Jaaku-Na) (World-Building)


Previous Main Thread Incarnations

EMPIRE! A Community World-Building Tale of People & Discovery (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=325034)
EMPIRE! CWBG II: 2 Quest, 2 Curious (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=329919)
EMPIRE! CWBG III: Prepare Your Inbox! (Messages Are Coming) (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?335042-EMPIRE!-Community-World-Building-Game-III-Prepare-Your-Inbox!-(Messages-Are-Coming))
EMPIRE! CWBG IV: **** Is Getting Real... It's Always Getting Real! (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?338792-EMPIRE!-Community-W-B-Game-IV-****-Is-Getting-Real-It-s-Always-Getting-Real!)
EMPIRE! CWBG V: Unless You Are The Mongols (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?344139-EMPIRE!-Community-W-B-Game-V-Unless-You-Are-The-Mongols)
EMPIRE! CWBG VI: Salt, Spies and Everything Dyes! (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?346919-EMPIRE!-Community-W-B-Game-VI-Salt-Spies-and-Everything-Dyes!)
EMPIRE! CWBG VII: Dancing With Headless Princesses! (Fish, Saffron & Ginger Edition) (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?358766-EMPIRE!-CWBG-VII-Dancing-With-Headless-Princesses!-(Fish-Saffron-amp-Ginger-Edition))
EMPIRE! CWBG VIII: It's Not An Event Without A Few Corpses (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?368017-EMPIRE!-CWBG-VIII-It-s-Not-An-Event-Without-A-Few-Corpses)
EMPIRE! CWBG IX: We Keep Score With Bragging Rights! Many Prowess, Such Revolution (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?376153-EMPIRE!-CWBG-IX-We-Keep-Score-With-Bragging-Rights!-Many-Prowess-Such-Revolution)
EMPIRE! CWBG X: For Obscure Cultural Reasons, We Have Huuuuuuge Tracts Of Land (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?381314-EMPIRE!-CWBG-X-For-Obscure-Cultural-Reasons-We-Have-Huuuuuuge-Tracts-Of-Land)
EMPIRE! CWBG XI: We Finally Have Nomads (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?387025-EMPIRE!-CWBG-XI-We-Finally-Have-Nomads)

[TheWombatOfDoom]

Well...that was ominous...:smallconfused::smalleek:

[XIII]

Nobody said anything about elder gods. I like it.

[SamBurke]

Well...that was ominous...:smallconfused::smalleek:

Well, Watcher confirmed as Cthulu.

[Elemental]

And to think, yesterday was the anniversary of the opening of the first OOC thread and it's less than a week until the anniversary of the opening of round one and the beginning of this crazy, mad, wonderful journey. And we haven't destroyed the world.
I've said this before and I'm going to say it again, it has been an amazing year of writing and scheming and I just want to say thanks to everyone for making it so great.




Well...that was ominous...:smallconfused::smalleek:

It's hardly the most ominous thing that's happened thus far in this game. It's the most ominous poetry though, so I'll give you that.

[SamBurke]

And to think, yesterday was the anniversary of the opening of the first OOC thread and it's less than a week until the anniversary of the opening of round one and the beginning of this crazy, mad, wonderful journey. And we haven't destroyed the world.
I've said this before and I'm going to say it again, it has been an amazing year of writing and scheming and I just want to say thanks to everyone for making it so great.

Amen, my friend. I've had a fantastic time with the insane lot of ya, and I look forward to next year's insanity even more. :smallbiggrin:

[Gengy]

@Morph: That map. I do not think it is as updated as you previously hoped it might have been. It lacks... the possibility of Makgrull. (U31 not featured)

@At Everyone: Yay! New thread! Also: I am not hosting an event this time around. I've thought about it, and if I want to do it right, I have to wait a little longer. If events are being hosted by someone else, the Makgrull may show if it's near the water's edge... but I've decided against hosting a Turn 33 Event when I don't have the post ready to go as soon as the Turn begins. As it stands, it will take me a week or so to craft the event how I want it to be crafted. So I'd rather go through with the training of my people, and host the "unveiling" party next Turn, I think.

...which would give those interested time to fully consider their next moves, if they wanted to be part of the Academy Ship project, or be friendly with the Makgrull.

If anything, I might send out a cryptic message this turn to concerned leaders. So. Next Turn, who wants to send a diplomat or dignitary to an event? I'm making invitations this turn, I think.

[SamBurke]

@Morph: That map. I do not think it is as updated as you previously hoped it might have been. It lacks... the possibility of Makgrull. (U31 not featured)

@At Everyone: Yay! New thread! Also: I am not hosting an event this time around. I've thought about it, and if I want to do it right, I have to wait a little longer. If events are being hosted by someone else, the Makgrull may show if it's near the water's edge... but I've decided against hosting a Turn 33 Event when I don't have the post ready to go as soon as the Turn begins. As it stands, it will take me a week or so to craft the event how I want it to be crafted. So I'd rather go through with the training of my people, and host the "unveiling" party next Turn, I think.

...which would give those interested time to fully consider their next moves, if they wanted to be part of the Academy Ship project, or be friendly with the Makgrull.

If anything, I might send out a cryptic message this turn to concerned leaders. So. Next Turn, who wants to send a diplomat or dignitary to an event? I'm making invitations this turn, I think.

Definitely interested... We'll see if I can, but I think I have the actions free.

Also the map stuff should probably be directed to Quinton, not Morph.

[zabbarot]

Hey Logic I filled your inbox. I know this because I tried to send a corrected version of my message after spotting a particularly silly mistake. :smalltongue: I think you can guess what the mistake is and what the correct bit should be, so I won't worry about it.

[SamBurke]

Quinton: I posted this in the Skype as well, but the import necessity for Frontier is still fulfilled with Heartwine, as noted on the Google Doc of trades. I believe that would effect the annoyed princes in that region. :smallwink:

[Logic]

Ok Zabb, I cleared as much space as I can spare, but I am referencing a bit much trying to set up a werewolf game, participate in two others and then there is this game....

[zabbarot]

Ok Zabb, I cleared as much space as I can spare, but I am referencing a bit much trying to set up a werewolf game, participate in two others and then there is this game....

That is crazy o-o. You did get my message though right?

[Aedilred]

Quinton: I posted this in the Skype as well, but the import necessity for Frontier is still fulfilled with Heartwine, as noted on the Google Doc of trades. I believe that would effect the annoyed princes in that region. :smallwink:

The import necessity for Frontier is Cooling Items:


Sadly for Frontier, its rocky outcroppings of ores offer little to no protection from the shade. For them, they desperately need [Cooling Items]. Without ice from the north, most meat that's out in the open begins to grow foul within a day, sometimes even a few hours.

It's Sahra'a that requires Beverages. Frontier used to import Tears of Yphine, but you redirected them to Sahra'a in Round 29. Likewise, you redirected the former Heartwine import into Sahra'a to Frontier in Round 22.

Edit: And now, as a birthday present for the thread, crown populations for the current round:


RealmPopulation
Salterri Imperium42,277,000
Empire of Dawn15,680,000
Glazfelli Hegemony (including vassals)12,729,000
Kingdom of the Carmine Sea (including vassals)12,238,000
Hurosha Empire (including vassals)11,147,000
Empire of the Silver Moon10,743,000+
Triumvirate10,125,000
Kingdom of the Carmine Sea8,242,000
Salterri Heartlands7,172,000
Glazfelli Hegemony7,093,000
Sovereign Principality of Niskovia (including vassals)6,989,000
Hurosha Empire6,218,000
Kingdom of Serendel6,186,000
Caercian Consortium5,923,000
Kingdom of Ashenia (including vassals)5,907,000
Kingdom of Ashenia5,763,000
Faedas Freehold5,668,000
Seaborne Confederation5,552,000
Kingdom of the Silver Moon5,550,000+
Guilderene Expanse4,957,000+
Kingdom of Calorum4,929,000
Kingdom of Celero4,856,000
Kingdom of Mularuhm (including vassals)4,726,000
Royal Council of Raaneka4,537,000
Imperial Alydaxian Dominion4,117,000
Kingdom of the Isles3,996,000
Sovereign Principality of Niskovia3,604,000
Kingdom of Mularuhm3,548,000
METAL3,490,000
Tzaltec Empire3,436,000
Fera3,385,000
Pavonian Imperium2,909,000
Kingdom of the Iron Doctrine2,889,000
Tyranny of New Crima1,908,000
Holy Kingdom of Sycia1,817,000
Niemida Prefecture1,810,000
Greatest Kingdom of Zuiguo1,210,000
Nixdarum1,178,000
Glifrey1,076,000
Kingdom of Stolok930,000
Ash-Kingdom of Maur930,000
Valasharix810,000
Makgrull700,000
United Free Cities607,000
Sulvan Primarchy104,000
Warriors of Syvine40,000
An Nádur35,000
Everburning Horde23


(Missing: The Clanships, Alzeroth, 20B, Yanguang)

[HalfTangible]

Modifying my troop deployments soonish.

EDIT: Okay, modification up.

[moossabi]

RealmPopulation
Salterri Imperium42,277,000
Empire of Dawn15,680,000
Glazfelli Hegemony (including vassals)12,729,000
Kingdom of the Carmine Sea (including vassals)12,238,000
Hurosha Empire (including vassals)11,147,000
Empire of the Silver Moon10,743,000+
Triumvirate10,125,000
Kingdom of the Carmine Sea8,242,000
Salterri Heartlands7,172,000
Glazfelli Hegemony7,093,000
Sovereign Principality of Niskovia (including vassals)6,989,000
Hurosha Empire6,218,000
Kingdom of Serendel6,186,000
Caercian Consortium5,923,000
Kingdom of Ashenia (including vassals)5,907,000
Kingdom of Ashenia5,763,000
Faedas Freehold5,668,000
Seaborne Confederation5,552,000
Kingdom of the Silver Moon5,550,000+
Guilderene Expanse4,957,000+
Kingdom of Calorum4,929,000
Kingdom of Celero4,856,000
Kingdom of Mularuhm (including vassals)4,726,000
Royal Council of Raaneka4,537,000
Imperial Alydaxian Dominion4,117,000
Kingdom of the Isles3,996,000
Sovereign Principality of Niskovia3,604,000
Kingdom of Mularuhm3,548,000
METAL3,490,000
Tzaltec Empire3,436,000
Fera3,385,000
Pavonian Imperium2,909,000
Kingdom of the Iron Doctrine2,889,000
Tyranny of New Crima1,908,000
Holy Kingdom of Sycia1,817,000
Niemida Prefecture1,810,000
Greatest Kingdom of Zuiguo1,210,000
Nixdarum1,178,000
Glifrey1,076,000
Kingdom of Stolok930,000
Ash-Kingdom of Maur930,000
Makgrull700,000
United Free Cities607,000
Sulvan Primarchy104,000
Warriors of Syvine40,000
An Nádur35,000
Everburning Horde23


(Missing: The Clanships, Alzeroth, 20B, Yanguang)

Also missing: Valasharix

[Aedilred]

Also missing: Valasharix

I don't know what you mean :smallredface::smallamused::smallcool:

[Tychris1]

You're missing tbe 2,000 recruited Sympol loonies.

[moossabi]

I don't know what you mean :smallredface::smallamused::smallcool:

I think you do. Kinda. :smalltongue::smallconfused::smalleek::smallannoye d:

[zabbarot]

You're missing tbe 2,000 recruited Sympol loonies.



RealmPopulation

Everburning Horde2023


:smalltongue:

[Aedilred]

For the sake of fair play, those concerned with the ongoing war would be advised to check my actions post. Morph is busy with work for the next few days but will probably add something in his own words at some point later in the week. In overall substance though if not in detail, it can be assumed to come from him as well.

I think the relevant parties have already been informed privately, but it's best to make these things public.

[Elemental]

Concerning the war this round: Despite the escalation, I probably won't be getting involved as I'm going to help handle the Dreadlove situation instead because that kind of needs dealing with.


Edit: Shock horror! I got my action post up in the first week of the round!
Anyways... Tech has been invented, cower in fear of my death rays! Feel free to nitpick with the details.

Solar Ray Towers.
Using an array of metal, primarily silver and mithril, and glass mirrors aligned on precisely calculated and adjustable angles, sunlight can be focussed into a system of lenses that further focuses it into potentially destructive beams which can then be aimed at targets. A city or fortress outfitted with such a system would be able to destroy any encampments or siege weapons within line of sight of its walls and towers rendering it virtually immune to assault or practical siege. However, due to the constraints of such a system, individual moving targets are more or less free from the weapon's effects though it would still be able to break up formations with considerable effect.
Required resources: -A suitably reflective metal for mirror construction. Examples include mithril and silver.
-Glass or crystal of sufficient clearness for lenses. Example crystals include quartz, white sapphire and goshenite.
Required tech: Lenses. (Obviously)
Effect: Any region wherein a great project has been conducted to outfit its defences with such a system receives a plus two to defence.

Oh, and does anyone know the special metal and specialised cavalry bonuses? I can't for the life of me find them.

[DoomHat]

It's kind of amusing that Dreadlove is going to be swatted like a fly, but not before he reaches land and causes untold collateral damage from the cross fire of the forces rallied against him alone. What with all those blackpowder bombs being lobbed at him.

[Aedilred]

Anyways... Tech has been invented, cower in fear of my death rays! Feel free to nitpick with the details.
I didn't realise they were so imminent! They're awesome. As things stand the bonus looks fine to me; <insert normal waffling about probable forthcoming tech revamp here>


Oh, and does anyone know the special metal and specialised cavalry bonuses? I can't for the life of me find them.

I think they got lost in one of the edits, along with all the other generic bonuses. Specialised Cavalry is +1 to both tactical manoeuvring and battle rolls; Special Metal is +2 to battle rolls.

[TheDarkDM]

The Dragon Cult

In a study of the modern Tzaltec Dragon Cult, one fact above all must be made clear - the Dragon Cult is Tzalteclan. Since before the great Cataclysm it has played a major role in the lives of every Tzaltec, and the Tzalteca have come to internalize its teachings to such a degree that any attempt to argue its righteousness runs the risk of provoking a physical confrontation. So long as that unwise course of action is avoided, however, the Tzaltec fanatics are easy enough to live with. Possessed of an undeserved sense of mastery, perhaps, but decent enough.

- Professor H. Cheswyn, The Religions of Modern Telluris

In the beginning, as in all beginnings, there was darkness. A darkness so profound as to defy imagining, a black void of endless silence. Then, as always, there was light! A fire sparked, and the darkness burst into tatters. In its place was the first Great Dragon, Tzetultep. His eyes suns, his blood molten magma, his skin the jagged stone of the mountain. He roared, and in his roar was birthed the first sound. Yet so mighty was Tzetultep that his voice carried with it the song of creation. Unguided, uncontrolled, it sought out the tattered remnants of the old darkness and created the Kokotzitzimi, the Creeping Void. Given awareness, the Kokotzitzimi lashed out against the creature that had destroyed it, and the sky was filled with fire and the sounds of battle.

Kokotzitzimi was strong, but its strength was a borrowed strength, its anger merely an echo of what had passed. It could not best Tzetultep, and so it sought to maim him. Locked in each others' embrace, Kokotzitzimi struck out with three barbed stingers, carving away three strips of Tzetultep's being. Yet even as it did, it fell fully into Tzetultep's grasp, and was banished from his sight.

Tzetultep's light dimmed as he tended to his wounds. And though he was alone, three voices joined him in the songs of healing. For Kokotzitzimi had struck well, and sheared away mighty portions of Tzetultep's strength. Mighty enough that separate from Tzetultep they retained a life of their own, and grew into Great Dragons themselves even as he was diminished. So it was that even the vilest creation of Tzetultep served its purpose, for their combined harmony of their song outstripped even the power of Tzetultep's first mighty roar.

With their combined voices, the Great Dragons breathed life into the empty sky, giving birth to land and sea and star. The light of Tzetultep shone down on the land, and for a time things were good. Yet Kokotzitzimi was forever restless and hated the creation of the Great Dragons, and so each day Tzetultep would fly to the outmost reaches of creation to battle its first creation. Yet the other Great Dragons grew to despise the darkness, and so fashioned a second light to fill the sky when Tzetultep was embattled.

For a time the Great Dragons were pleased by their creation, but as time passed they grew dissatisfied with the endless cycle of their perfect seas and untouched continents. They desired, more than anything, life, and while the three Great Dragons torn from his flesh bore within themselves the crucible in which to create life, only Tzetultep himself possessed the fire. And so they gathered clay from across the vastness of the world and baked it in themselves into the fashion of living beings - fish, birds, beasts, and the plants of land and sea. And for a time they were pleased, but soon they discovered their children to be simple creatures incapable of understanding their songs. So they tried again, taking stone from the earth and firing it ever hotter, and created the manifold races of mortalkind. And for a time the Great Dragons were pleased, and taught the mortal races their songs. Yet they grew dissatisfied for a third time, for none of the beings they had created bore the power of their forebears. So it was that Tzetultep divided up an equal portion of his fire to the other three Great Dragons, and built for himself a kiln of purest diamond. Each of the Great Dragons then scoured the world for the material that best suited their needs - gold and silver, iron and mercury. And in this final forging the chosen peoples of the Great Dragons came to walk the earth, and multiplied beneath the watchful eyes of their progenitors.

In the beginning, Tzalteca were not a unified people. Though they made their homes in and around the great mesa that would become the foundation of modern Tzalteclan, they were divided into six tribes, each one vying with the other five in all things. In those days there was no Teotlkan - indeed, the high priests of the faith, the teotlcade, were subservient to the six chiefs. And where the teotlcade preached the glory of the Tzalteca as a whole, the chiefs heard them less and less with every generation, each one discarding the trappings of faith to better pursue their venal ambitions. Hundreds died in purposeless wars, and the tribes of the forest began to lose their fear of the bronze warriors in the south. Eventually, the Tzalteca were forced to guard against attacks from without as well as within, as the jungle tribes emerged from beneath their branches under cover of night and stole crops, tools, even children. Yet the chiefs were untroubled, so consumed were they by their ambitions, and so the teotlcade came together and formed a plan.

For the teotlcade were the most trusted of all Tzalteca, so much so that their presence went unquestioned even in the longhouses of the chiefs. The greatest of their number in that dark time was a man named Senakhtenre, and he realized that the teotlcade had strayed from their purpose, and allowed the chaos of Kokotzitzimi to corrupt the hearts of their chiefs. So excoriating was his appeal that the other teotlcade submitted to his will, and in a night of blood slew the six chiefs and all their progeny. On the dawn, confronted by the warriors of the six tribes, they repeated the words of Senakhtenre and the sharp spears were lowered. The people flocked to the mesa of Tzalteclan to hear the great priest speak, and in his words found a unity of purpose. Senakhtenre was crowned first Teotlkan of the Tzalteca, while the six tribes were abolished and united into a single Tzalteclan.

The years that followed were both great and terrible, for as prosperity returned to the Tzalteca so too did ruin descend on their neighbors. For while they may have put aside the internecine feuds that had torn them apart, the Tzalteca had not forgiven the trespasses of the jungle tribes. Raiding parties were formed, wars were conducted, and for the first time Tzaltec warriors returned home with lines of captives trudging behind them. Senakhtenre pronounced that these prisoners were not worthy of compassion or mercy, being from barely human stock, and so they and their children were bound in eternal servitude. Within three generations, not only had the Tzaltec population recovered, but their workforce had nearly doubled thanks to the endless labor of their slaves. The first foundations were laid for stone buildings atop the mesa, and Tzalteclan proper began to take shape.

Coming!

"Beware the Dragon's roar."

A commonly misunderstood saying, this phrase is a warning against meddling in things one might not understand. Much as Tzetultep's roar gave life to the Kokotzitzimi, so might a mortal's actions have unexpected consequences.


The Pantheon
Tzetultep: Lord and progenitor of the Great Dragons, Tzetultep is the only one considered male among their number. Fire and the Earth are his spheres, in addition to the lesser domains of War, Civilization, and Craft. His blessings can be felt every day through the sun that is his palace, while his wrath is felt primarily through earthquakes and volcanoes. He is the patron of Summer, and its solstice is his highest annual holy day. Sacrifices to Tzetultep almost always include blood, for it was his blood that gave birth to the other Great Dragons and through them the world entire. Among the four, he is credited with creating the animals that walk upon the land, as well as the Tzaltec who are his chosen people. The sole Great Dragon to emerge from the Cataclysm with his memories intact, his teachings urge patience with the wayward ideologies of the other Great Dragons who are his partners and mates. However, to all others Tzetultep's commandments are unyielding, pure as gold and stern as iron. Those religions seen to venerate Kokotzitzimi are regarded with particular venom, and most adherents require very little coaxing to commit violence against their priests or places of worship. Notably, Tzetultep is also the source of the Tzalteca's religious devotion to the practice of slavery, as they believe themselves the apex of Tzetultep's creations and worthy of mastery.

Yphine: The Great Dragon now known as Yphine embodies Air and Cold, and presides over domains such as Storms, Travel, and the Stars. Her blessings are seen in the momentary calm that leads travelers home, while her wrath is the vicious storm that shatters ships and leaves men for dead. She is the patron of Winter, and the winter solstice is her high holy day in the Tzalteclan. The Frost Moon is her cathedral in the sky, while the stars around it are her gift to Telluris, peppering Kina's darkness like the flakes of the first snowfall. Sacrifices to Yphine demand blood, for it is the warmth that endures her cold, trickled over snow or ice. She is given credit for shaping all that flies in the skies of Telluris, and in her role as Queen of Winter is seen as the most diametrically opposite from Tzetultep. Her chosen people are the Catfolk, in whose image she chose to present herself after the Cataclysm.

Kina: Youngest of the Great Dragons, Kina embodies both Death and Darkness, while her domains include Motherhood, Judgement, and Deception. Her blessings, frightening though they may be, are found in the birthing bed and in the peace of night, while her wrath is felt in the screams of the dying and in miscarriage. She is the patron of Autumn, and the fall equinox is regarded as her highest holy day by the Dragon Cult. The Dark Moon is regarded as her palace, and on the rare occasion it is seen it is viewed as a blessing. Sacrifices to Kina include blood as a symbol of birth, typically soaked in a veil to represent both her sightless justice and the fall of night. Among the four, she created neither beast nor fish nor bird, instead imbuing all three with the gift of pregnancy and birth. She is regarded as the most wounded by Kokotzitzimi's attack during the cataclysm, her warring aspects the manifestation of Kokotzitzimi's lingering corruption and her own pain. In her proper role, she is judge of the souls passing on to the manifold heavens, and is partner to the Silver Lady's psychopomp. Her chosen people are thought to be the Quill.

Silver Lady: Eldest of the Great Dragons born from Tzetultep's wounds, the Silver Lady holds power over Water and Life. Beneath those are domains such as the Harvest,


Enemies
Radurja:
Ashmar:


Other
Lord of Fire:

Coming!

The Dragon's Eye Festival: Hosted every 150 years on the day when the three moons align and eclipse the summer solstice above Tzalteclan, the Dragon's Eye Festival is the holiest day in the Tzaltec Dragon Cult. It is marked by nation-wide celebrations and extravagant sacrifices to Tzetultep and the other Great Dragons.

[Elemental]

It's kind of amusing that Dreadlove is going to be swatted like a fly, but not before he reaches land and causes untold collateral damage from the cross fire of the forces rallied against him alone. What with all those blackpowder bombs being lobbed at him.

Are you so certain about that? Grizzland is a big place after all, so the vast majority of the country probably won't see a single one of Dreadlove's soldiers.



I didn't realise they were so imminent! They're awesome. As things stand the bonus looks fine to me; <insert normal waffling about probable forthcoming tech revamp here>

I think they got lost in one of the edits, along with all the other generic bonuses. Specialised Cavalry is +1 to both tactical manoeuvring and battle rolls; Special Metal is +2 to battle rolls.

I've had ten curiosity for a round or two by now as well as a rapidly aging monarch. Best to get it out of the way before he has a sudden heart attack.

Thanks. I'll add those in to my post.


Edit: And before I forget: I'm going to object to Dark's post regarding retribution. As written, it's essentially using a non-action to cripple another person's sovereign. Plus, it is probably godmodding to assume Vizini would be the one to open and read the letter, especially given that Tzalteclan is famed for its assassins.

[WaylanderX]

Edit: And before I forget: I'm going to object to Dark's post regarding retribution. As written, it's essentially using a non-action to cripple another person's sovereign. Plus, it is probably godmodding to assume Vizini would be the one to open and read the letter, especially given that Tzalteclan is famed for its assassins.

Agreed, unless is it talked over with Sam. If both parties agree to do it this way, it's fine. If that is the case, I didn't say anything :smallbiggrin:.

[ReaderAt2046]

Two quick questions:

1. Can naval units attack aquatic regions? Sail over them and drop big rocks like bombers or something?

2. What happens if you conquer a region that you either don't want to or can't add to your realm? Does it go NPC? Become a vassal under your direction? What?

[Elemental]

Two quick questions:

1. Can naval units attack aquatic regions? Sail over them and drop big rocks like bombers or something?

2. What happens if you conquer a region that you either don't want to or can't add to your realm? Does it go NPC? Become a vassal under your direction? What?

I've got no idea about the first, though my instinct says yes. I'll let the people who are concerned with that work it out.

As for question the second: It may be reasonable to leave such matters for resolution at the conference table after the war, whether restoring them to their previous owners or establishing a new state which may or may not be a vassal.
This suggestion is assuming of course that Good Sirs Morph and Quinton allow people to go over the region cap for a short duration until the cessation of hostilities. After all, tedious civic matters like that are often neglected when there are more immediate concerns.

Edit: A reasonable possibility would be to have said regions also be in a state of resistance until the war is over and a Diplomacy Five is used to stabilise them. After all, people aren't always fond of foreign conquerors, no matter their reasons for conquest. This adds the possibility of said region if made an independent state or vassal after the war ends simply turning around and pledging allegiance to their old rulers.
These sorts of concerns would necessitate the establishment of garrisons and such in conquered territories, after all ensuring a conquered territory remains conquered is often as difficult as conquering it in the first place. I'm just thinking out loud though, so feel free to ignore me.

[TheWombatOfDoom]

Two quick questions:

1. Can naval units attack aquatic regions? Sail over them and drop big rocks like bombers or something?

2. What happens if you conquer a region that you either don't want to or can't add to your realm? Does it go NPC? Become a vassal under your direction? What?

You cannot conquest a region that is underwater without Aquatic Units, the same as you cannot attack a Sky Region without Aerial units. Dropping rocks down miles isn't going to work the way you want it to, or be very accurate. And we don't have the tech for dropping mines. The only way for you to combat aquatic units is if the aquatics engage a naval unit, the same way a land unit can't engage a ship unless a ship engages them, like we saw in the last round with Sympolemou being attacked by Naval units.

Usually a claimed region that doesn't fit into you regions becomes NPC. You could also choose to cede it to a land of your choosing, should you not desire it, or can't hold it.

[Gengy]

Two quick questions:

1. Can naval units attack aquatic regions? Sail over them and drop big rocks like bombers or something?

2. What happens if you conquer a region that you either don't want to or can't add to your realm? Does it go NPC? Become a vassal under your direction? What?

Worried about the Makgrull already, huh? :smalltongue:

[Elemental]

Worried about the Makgrull already, huh? :smalltongue:

I am. Most of my usual gifts work well underwater and I don't think the Makgrull need cutlery.

[Snowfire]

I am. Most of my usual gifts work well underwater and I don't think the Makgrull need cutlery.

Don't worry, I can loan you some aquatic units if you need them. It's not like they're going to be doing anything this ro- oh wait :smalltongue:

[Gengy]

The Makgrull are very peaceful. The Makgrull have harmed no one. The Makgrull would dearly like to make friends with all of you, and learn of your shiny technologies, your sharp shiny pointy things, and your shiny shiny things.

As a player, I find the insinuations that you should be worried about the Makgrull - at this stage, in their second round - to be unsettling. I have proposed only the kindest of diplomatic ideals so far, including the creation of an Academy Ship for all countries. My actions thus far have been purely curiosity based and diplomacy based, with the little bits of Military increases purely for defense of Praeclarus.

Please ignore the fact that I have started as close to the exact middle of the map as I could. Please ignore the fact that I have done so in a way that makes it difficult for most people to out-right attack Praeclarus. Please ignore the fact that I currently am in possession of a region that would be stifling to trade routes based on oceanic travel if I was foolish enough to consider switching from my current trend of diplomatic policies. Please ignore any mad ramblings from anyone suggesting that I might be allying myself secretly with the vast horrors of the deep. At least one of these things is simply not true.

I am too new to this game to be a threat.

Which feels like a good time to re-iterate my question: Who wants an invitation to the unveiling of the Makgrull, in order to be my friend?

Current confirmed roster:

Guilder
Raaneka
Sycia
The Seaborne Confederation (Unconfirmed Proxy of the Salterri Imperium)
Hurosha
Valasharix (maybe?)
Glazfell Hegemony (receiving invitation, declining due to reasons of war)
Imperial Alydaxan Dominion
ESM
Kingdom of the Carmine Sea
Serendel Kingdom (Empire of Dawn)
Everburning Horde
Chivalric Republic of the United Free Cities
New Crima
An Nádur
Ash-Kingdom
Representatives for The Watcher
The Teotlkan
Sovereign Principality of Niskovia
The Triumvirate (Pending allowances for temporary peace for the event)
The Tuvaak
????

[QuintonBeck]

Two quick questions:

1. Can naval units attack aquatic regions? Sail over them and drop big rocks like bombers or something?

2. What happens if you conquer a region that you either don't want to or can't add to your realm? Does it go NPC? Become a vassal under your direction? What?

1. Wombat is correct on this one, quick answer no.

2. I think the way its been handled up until now is that if you conquer regions beyond your own region cap the conquered region becomes an NPC vassal under your rule with the possibility to rebel or what have you in subsequent rounds. That said, Elemental's ideas quoted below and similar ideas I've heard elsewhere may be the coming change in that over the cap regions are basically "Non-Entities" not NPCs and not direct parts of a player's holdings post-conquest until the round after they're fully conquered when the player(s) who conquered them can decide what they want to do with them. I also like this since it makes Conquest a 3 round thing rather than a 2 round thing making conquest less stupidly better than diplomatic colonization.

That said, for now assume if you conquer over the region cap it becomes an NPC vassal, if you've already got 2 NPC vassals it joins one of them, if you've already got 2 NPC vassals each with 4 regions no more conquering for you!


I've got no idea about the first, though my instinct says yes. I'll let the people who are concerned with that work it out.

As for question the second: It may be reasonable to leave such matters for resolution at the conference table after the war, whether restoring them to their previous owners or establishing a new state which may or may not be a vassal.
This suggestion is assuming of course that Good Sirs Morph and Quinton allow people to go over the region cap for a short duration until the cessation of hostilities. After all, tedious civic matters like that are often neglected when there are more immediate concerns.

Edit: A reasonable possibility would be to have said regions also be in a state of resistance until the war is over and a Diplomacy Five is used to stabilise them. After all, people aren't always fond of foreign conquerors, no matter their reasons for conquest. This adds the possibility of said region if made an independent state or vassal after the war ends simply turning around and pledging allegiance to their old rulers.
These sorts of concerns would necessitate the establishment of garrisons and such in conquered territories, after all ensuring a conquered territory remains conquered is often as difficult as conquering it in the first place. I'm just thinking out loud though, so feel free to ignore me.

[Snowfire]

Which feels like a good time to re-iterate my question: Who wants an invitation to the unveiling of the Makgrull, in order to be my friend?

Current confirmed roster:
Guilder

Raaneka will find someone to attend.

Also, most of this stuff re: Aquatic units and you is just jokes - I know my stuff was. No need to worry there :smallwink:

[HalfTangible]

Which feels like a good time to re-iterate my question: Who wants an invitation to the unveiling of the Makgrull, in order to be my friend?

Current confirmed roster:
Guilder

Sycia will show up.

[Gengy]

Raaneka will find someone to attend.

Also, most of this stuff re: Aquatic units and you is just jokes - I know my stuff was. No need to worry there :smallwink:

Worry? Why would I worry?

I just know that the Makgrull and all of you who attend will be the best of friends. The best.

[lt_murgen]

Current confirmed roster:

Guilder
Raaneka
Sycia


The Seaborne Confederation will attend, likely as a proxy for the entire Salterri Imperium. We'll even offer the Sea of Glass as a place to host your event, if you want. Your event, my islands.

[WaylanderX]

The Seaborne Confederation will attend, likely as a proxy for the entire Salterri Imperium. We'll even offer the Sea of Glass as a place to host your event, if you want. Your event, my islands.

Hurosha will also send a Maighdeann representative (assuming its underwater). If not, a representative of each race within the Hurosha Empire will attend.

[Snowfire]

Worry? Why would I worry?

I just know that the Makgrull and all of you who attend will be the best of friends. The best.

On a scale of 1 to 10, how resistant to alcohol are the Makgrull? Y'know, for reasons :smalltongue:

[Snowfire]

Hurosha will also send a Maighdeann representative (assuming its underwater). If not, a representative of each race within the Hurosha Empire will attend.

Um. Lifeskin. You are an ally. Raaneka will spot you some if you want :smallwink:

[QuintonBeck]

Gengy could you put your nation post in the Lands of Telluris (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?351078-Empire!-The-Lands-of-Telluris-%28the-fluff-beyond-the-crunch%29) thread? Thank you.

[WaylanderX]

Um. Lifeskin. You are an ally. Raaneka will spot you some if you want :smallwink:

Sjoer, thx in advance :P.

[Gengy]

On a scale of 1 to 10, how resistant to alcohol are the Makgrull? Y'know, for reasons :smalltongue:

I imagine that Makgrull, like humans, all have varying degrees of resistance and tolerance. Perhaps a little less, due to the infrequency of the liquid that currently is available to them.

And, after talking things over with Murgen, I'll be holding the event at region 130. Expect to see an official draft of the invitation in the next few days.


Gengy could you put your nation post in the Lands of Telluris (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?351078-Empire!-The-Lands-of-Telluris-%28the-fluff-beyond-the-crunch%29) thread? Thank you.

You got it!

[TheDarkDM]

Edit: And before I forget: I'm going to object to Dark's post regarding retribution. As written, it's essentially using a non-action to cripple another person's sovereign. Plus, it is probably godmodding to assume Vizini would be the one to open and read the letter, especially given that Tzalteclan is famed for its assassins.

Except, of course, for the fact that Vizini isn't Sam's sovereign any more. And the fact that I'm the only one who gets to dictate who gets to benefit from my miracle. I suppose I had the audacity to assume someone would open a letter from their grandfather, but I thought it would be more narratively satisfying than Nezetkhamun just snapping his fingers in a room far away. Would you prefer that? Because it would be a very easy post to write.

[QuintonBeck]

Military table is updated. I will hope to have NPC actions up soon since they're relevant.

[moossabi]

Current confirmed roster:

Guilder
Raaneka
Sycia
The Seaborne Confederation
Hurosha
????


Maybe me. Do ya want some bees? Cocoa? Lemons? I'm willing to accept techs, no matter how basic, as payment.*

*No cash, Credit Cards, or Ancient Evils accepted (unless said evils have tech)

[Snowfire]

Maybe me. Do ya want some bees? Cocoa? Lemons? I'm willing to accept techs, no matter how basic, as payment.*

*No cash, Credit Cards, or Ancient Evils accepted (unless said evils have tech)

I'd actually like some Cocoa if you've got some spare.

[SamBurke]

Are you so certain about that? Grizzland is a big place after all, so the vast majority of the country probably won't see a single one of Dreadlove's soldiers.

Edit: And before I forget: I'm going to object to Dark's post regarding retribution. As written, it's essentially using a non-action to cripple another person's sovereign. Plus, it is probably godmodding to assume Vizini would be the one to open and read the letter, especially given that Tzalteclan is famed for its assassins.
I find it hilarious that the single most powerful non-sovreign non-avatar person ever to have lived (Who else put together a 30,000 man army in that short a time?!) is gonna be slammed that hard.

As to Dark's post, eh. No big deal. Vizini has been switched out. I had been told it worked differently, but fluff-wise, it'll actually make his endgame far more ballsy, so I should probably thank him. :smallwink:



Agreed, unless is it talked over with Sam. If both parties agree to do it this way, it's fine. If that is the case, I didn't say anything :smallbiggrin:.It wasn't, actually, which would be my only objection to it.


Except, of course, for the fact that Vizini isn't Sam's sovereign any more. And the fact that I'm the only one who gets to dictate who gets to benefit from my miracle. I suppose I had the audacity to assume someone would open a letter from their grandfather, but I thought it would be more narratively satisfying than Nezetkhamun just snapping his fingers in a room far away. Would you prefer that? Because it would be a very easy post to write.
Again; write it how you want. Being a dragon doesn't really matter to me, and for Vizini/Wesley, it's a curse as much as a help (given the uncontrollable tendencies, bents, and urges, etc), so fluff-wise, Vizini is glad he's back to his normal Guilderene vigor and clarity. It's the perfect state of mind to go do the (3rd?) stupidest thing of his life! :smallbiggrin:

His wife Dulari will probably miss the dragon-stamina though.

[Snowfire]

His wife Dulari will probably miss the dragon-stamina though.

Oh don't worry. She'll find a way to improvise :smallamused:

[moossabi]

I'd actually like some Cocoa if you've got some spare.

Well, do you have ocean faring ships? (Who am I kidding, everyone in the central area has 'em)

[SamBurke]

Oh don't worry. She'll find a way to improvise :smallamused:

Is that going to be your next technology?



+4 to Childbirth rolls.


EDIT: Moos, do you want Ocean Faring?

[HalfTangible]

Oh don't worry. She'll find a way to improvise :smallamused:


Is that going to be your next technology?

*You can hear uproarious laughter coming from somewhere in New Mexico*

Also, question: Who's Wesley gonna marry?

[SamBurke]

*You can hear uproarious laughter coming from somewhere in New Mexico*

Guilder never gives up. It never gives in. No matter the hardship, no matter the struggle, we keep on coming. It always goes in, it always gets after it.

Not sorry at all.

EDIT: Wesley's Marriage
Uhhhh... It was *supposed* to be a Salterri princess, as per my agreement with the Salterri to keep their neutrality. Given that that is no longer the case (meaning Vizini could come back? Probs not, cause I wanna uphold my end of the deal), I have no idea. He'd love to marry Marvella, though. :smallwink:

[HalfTangible]

Guilder never gives up. It never gives in. No matter the hardship, no matter the struggle, we keep on coming. It always goes in, it always gets after it.

Not sorry at all.

Ice one :smalltongue:


He'd love to marry Marvella, though. :smallwink:

1) He called her his aunt. EWWWWW
2) The High Priestess can't get married, she can only have consorts. Wesley would know this if he's been keeping up on Doctrine lore.
3) Her heart belongs to another :smalltongue: ... admittedly this doesn't matter so much in medeval marriage scenarios, but it's worth pointing out since the marriage probably wouldn't be happy for too long.

[moossabi]

EDIT: Moos, do you want Ocean Faring?

Do I have any other method of aquatic travel?

[SamBurke]

Ice one :smalltongue:



1) He called her his aunt. EWWWWW
2) The High Priestess can't get married, she can only have consorts. Wesley would know this if he's been keeping up on Doctrine lore.
3) Her heart belongs to another :smalltongue: ... admittedly this doesn't matter so much in medeval marriage scenarios, but it's worth pointing out since the marriage probably wouldn't be happy for too long.
Joke joke joke sorry. :smalleek: Seriously, though, he would marry someone from Sycia, if the Salterri doesn't work (Obviously if they're ok with a marriage anyway, then that). Guilder personally doesn't see Sycia as being at war them, weird as that is (Trades are cut off, I think, but that's because they stopped being sent).


Do I have any other method of aquatic travel?
Airships, fluffwise, and Mahiki Jana otherwise.

But yeah that's the best. :smallsmile: I'll take any trades you want.

[HalfTangible]

Joke joke joke sorry. :smalleek: Seriously, though, he would marry someone from Sycia, if the Salterri doesn't work (Obviously if they're ok with a marriage anyway, then that). Guilder personally doesn't see Sycia as being at war them, weird as that is (Trades are cut off, I think, but that's because they stopped being sent).

... I probably should've included a wink or smalltongue to show I was messing around with the aunt thing >.>

Yeah, Sycia's not really big on forcing women to do anything, so Marvella's not handing anyone over. On the other hand, they'd get volunteers by the hundreds to become royalty and/or marry someone who has the High Priestess' friendship/favor :smallwink::smalltongue: so yeah. If you want him to marry a Sycian, that would not be hard at all.

[moossabi]

Airships, fluffwise, and Mahiki Jana otherwise.

But yeah that's the best. :smallsmile: I'll take any trades you want.

For me. Any other methods of transport FOR ME. :smalltongue:

Any trades? Have this used tissue.


Current confirmed roster:

Imperial Alydaxan Dominion (maybe?)


I am no longer the Dominion! I am... A CHEAP MORDOR KNOCK-OFF! Mwahahahaha! (Seriously though. I'm playing Valasharix.)

[Snowfire]

Airships, fluffwise, and Mahiki Jana otherwise.

But yeah that's the best. :smallsmile: I'll take any trades you want.

Stop trying to steal my trade Sam :smallmad::smallfrown::smalltongue:

[moossabi]

Stop trying to steal my trade Sam :smallmad::smallfrown::smalltongue:

Well, there are a great many techs I don't have. There's plenty of used tissues to go around. :smalltongue:

[SamBurke]

@HT: I'll put it in a PM, then.



For me. Any other methods of transport FOR ME. :smalltongue:

Any trades? Have this used tissue.



I am no longer the Dominion! I am... A CHEAP MORDOR KNOCK-OFF! Mwahahahaha! (Seriously though. I'm playing Valasharix.)A rather fun and friendly mordor...


Stop trying to steal my trade Sam :smallmad::smallfrown::smalltongue:I'm Guilderene sorry it was just habit..


Well, there are a great many techs I don't have. There's plenty of used tissues to go around. :smalltongue:
Sounds good. I'm gonna set up a trade party this round, actually. Cause that's the best way to celebrate war. :smallbiggrin: It's free invite for all nations, though I suspect many can't come.

EDIT: I just found the Ashenian counter to Heartwine:

http://i.imgur.com/76O0DIT.png

[moossabi]

A rather fun and friendly mordor...

At least until I get some more troops and techs. Then, all NPCs shall fear my wrath! :smalltongue:

Also: trade conference sounds great.

[Aedilred]

http://i.imgur.com/76O0DIT.png
That's pretty cool. I suppose that would put a stop to the Heartwine diplomacy quite quickly.

My problem (IRL), rather like the Ashenians in Telluris, I suspect, would be other people filling my glass for me, though, rather than my own greed: most of my friends seem to fill my glass rather more than I would like (no matter how much I'm planning to drink; I just don't like having too much wine in my glass at once).

Then again, maybe I should get one for that very reason, since it would stop people doing it.

[moossabi]

Oh yeah! I'm making alcohol illegal for Ash Elves to drink. :smallbiggrin:

[HalfTangible]

That's pretty cool. I suppose that would put a stop to the Heartwine diplomacy quite quickly.

My problem (IRL), rather like the Ashenians in Telluris, I suspect, would be other people filling my glass for me, though, rather than my own greed: most of my friends seem to fill my glass rather more than I would like (no matter how much I'm planning to drink; I just don't like having too much wine in my glass at once).

Then again, maybe I should get one for that very reason, since it would stop people doing it.Usually people don't refill wine glasses in your lap, though :smallwink:

[SamBurke]

At least until I get some more troops and techs. Then, all NPCs shall fear my wrath! :smalltongue:

Also: trade conference sounds great.Sure thing. Thread's gonna be up in a bit, but it's OOC, so nobody needs to roleplay. Point is that I wanna do some trading, but I don't have actions to do it with 4 different people, so, thread!


That's pretty cool. I suppose that would put a stop to the Heartwine diplomacy quite quickly.

My problem (IRL), rather like the Ashenians in Telluris, I suspect, would be other people filling my glass for me, though, rather than my own greed: most of my friends seem to fill my glass rather more than I would like (no matter how much I'm planning to drink; I just don't like having too much wine in my glass at once).

Then again, maybe I should get one for that very reason, since it would stop people doing it.Hence my link. :smallwink: I thought it was rather fascinating, though I googled a video to watch it, because the hydraulics behind it.


Usually people don't refill wine glasses in your lap, though :smallwink:Raaneka?

Also, with that technology, they would literally fill wine glass INTO your lap. :smallwink:

[Lord_Burch]

Imperial Alydaxan Dominion (maybe?)


Are you talking to moos, the former player of the IAD and now playing Valasharix, or me, the person who is currently playing the IAD (as an NPC vassal, at any rate)

[moossabi]

Sure thing. Thread's gonna be up in a bit, but it's OOC, so nobody needs to roleplay. Point is that I wanna do some trading, but I don't have actions to do it with 4 different people, so, thread!

Oh thank gosh. I'm having problems, and wouldn't have time for IC.

[Elemental]

Except, of course, for the fact that Vizini isn't Sam's sovereign any more. And the fact that I'm the only one who gets to dictate who gets to benefit from my miracle. I suppose I had the audacity to assume someone would open a letter from their grandfather, but I thought it would be more narratively satisfying than Nezetkhamun just snapping his fingers in a room far away. Would you prefer that? Because it would be a very easy post to write.

I somehow missed Vizini's stepping down from rulership, so I concede that point.
Still, given the details of your miracle action as written in your action post at the time, i.e., nothing, I call foul as to what is essentially being able to injure other people's characters whenever you so feel like it, even if said pool of characters is small. The way you went about it isn't actually my issue here, though I still think opening a letter from Tzalteclan without checking whether it contains a spring loaded knife is rather foolish.
However, given that Sam has no objection there's no real issue here other than the potential for future abuse.



Do I have any other method of aquatic travel?

You could try swimming.



I am no longer the Dominion! I am... A CHEAP MORDOR KNOCK-OFF! Mwahahahaha!

You're the land of chocolate, honey and lemonade. I don't see any comparison with Mordor at all.



EDIT: I just found the Ashenian counter to Heartwine:

http://i.imgur.com/76O0DIT.png

Nah. We just don't serve it at diplomatic meetings.
Really though... If Pythagoras was so smart, why didn't he just buy smaller cups?



Oh yeah! I'm making alcohol illegal for Ash Elves to drink. :smallbiggrin:

You better not be trying to steal my position as "country with the least fun parties". Don't make me come over there and hold the most boring tea party imaginable.

[SamBurke]

Sure thing. Thread's gonna be up in a bit, but it's OOC, so nobody needs to roleplay. Point is that I wanna do some trading, but I don't have actions to do it with 4 different people, so, thread!


Thread is up. (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?392997-Guilderene-Trade-Summit-the-Second-492-No-RP-required&p=18657905#post18657905) Barebones, but my RP is gonna be drained this week, and what I have goes to the war and all these declarations.

[BladeofObliviom]

I would also offer to attend the Trade conference, but the Empire of Dawn decided to set up a trade and diplomatic blockade last round so it wouldn't do much of anything. The Sanctus Makgrull will recieve a messenger carrying a bronze plate with an inscription that wishes them well but apologizes for inability to attend.

[SamBurke]

I would also offer to attend the Trade conference, but the Empire of Dawn decided to set up a trade and diplomatic blockade last round so it wouldn't do much of anything. The Sanctus Makgrull will recieve a messenger carrying a bronze plate with an inscription that wishes them well but apologizes for inability to attend.

I'd be willing to alter the terms such that only war materials were blockaded (If that's ruled as possible mechanically). Guilder's still cool with trading, we just don't want you stabbing people with what you get traded. :smallsmile:

[moossabi]

You could try swimming.

Across several thousand miles? Why, that's brilliant!



You're the land of chocolate, honey and lemonade. I don't see any comparison with Mordor at all.

And volcanoes and 8,000 troops and constant darkness and LAVA!


You better not be trying to steal my position as "country with the least fun parties". Don't make me come over there and hold the most boring tea party imaginable.

Bring it on! I can put ash in your drinks and make them unbearable! :smalltongue:

Also: is a 14 a success for colonization?

[TheDarkDM]

I'd be willing to alter the terms such that only war materials were blockaded (If that's ruled as possible mechanically). Guilder's still cool with trading, we just don't want you stabbing people with what you get traded. :smallsmile:

The irony of that statement is palpable. :smalltongue:

[Lord_Burch]

Also: is a 14 a success for colonization?

You only have one or two regions, right? Then yes.

[moossabi]

You only have one or two regions, right? Then yes.

Haha! GK, here I come! (I'm invading two others)

[WaylanderX]

Guys, for reasons that will become clear later this round, I'm fluffing out the Marius' Pride combat ornaments, including a massive rotating ram up front (Meaning it can switch rams, not a gattling ram....wait....gattling rams....wwooo). I want this ram to be modelled after something. Preferably a shape that is both solid and doesn't pierce, because the Marius Pride mustn't get stuck of course. And it has to fit Hurosha of course.

My first idea were Hercules beetle horns, but most insect horns are too slim and/or are pointed, making them less ideal for the bludgeoning feel I'm going for.

Any ideas?

[TheDarkDM]

Guys, for reasons that will become clear later this round, I'm fluffing out the Marius' Pride combat ornaments, including a massive rotating ram up front (Meaning it can switch rams, not a gattling ram....wait....gattling rams....wwooo). I want this ram to be modelled after something. Preferably a shape that is both solid and doesn't pierce, because the Marius Pride mustn't get stuck of course. And it has to fit Hurosha of course.

My first idea were Hercules beetle horns, but most insect horns are too slim and/or are pointed, making them less ideal for the bludgeoning feel I'm going for.

Any ideas?

What is the intention of putting a ram on an airship? Busting through fortifications? Brushing past other airships? Boarding? Because the purpose will drive the shape of your prow.

[SamBurke]

Guys, for reasons that will become clear later this round, I'm fluffing out the Marius' Pride combat ornaments, including a massive rotating ram up front (Meaning it can switch rams, not a gattling ram....wait....gattling rams....wwooo). I want this ram to be modelled after something. Preferably a shape that is both solid and doesn't pierce, because the Marius Pride mustn't get stuck of course. And it has to fit Hurosha of course.

My first idea were Hercules beetle horns, but most insect horns are too slim and/or are pointed, making them less ideal for the bludgeoning feel I'm going for.

Any ideas?
Marius' face?


What is the intention of putting a ram on an airship? Busting through fortifications? Brushing past other airships? Boarding? Because the purpose will drive the shape of your prow.
I am presuming he desires to ram. With his ram.

[WaylanderX]

What is the intention of putting a ram on an airship? Busting through fortifications? Brushing past other airships? Boarding? Because the purpose will drive the shape of your prow.


Marius' face?


I am presuming he desires to ram. With his ram.

Its purpose would be the total obliteration of enemy craft and minor (non-shintouite) fortifications. However, getting stuck would be a big big problem. The Marius' Pride can ascend/descend vertically, so anything bludgeoning would I think do nicely. But I'm not a balistics/physics expert. :smallbiggrin:

As for momentum and sheer force, the Marius' Pride is gigantic (around 5 times as long as a regular zeppelin and maybe 4 times as high), reinforced with most of the special metals currently in the game in the places where they are contribute the most to structure integrity. So it can take a fair deal of punishment.

Edit:


Question... why does it rotate? A ram is usually built into the body of a ship so that it has the entire ship backing it up, any fancy turning attachment would risk shattering.

Personally I say make it a massive hammer on a winch. Then you can literally "drop the hammer" on people, and reel it back up later. Also doubles as an anchor.

It was designed to have 2 Rams, One made of Shintouite and one made of Orihalcum. One for sheer force, one for anti-mystical/magical stuff.

[zabbarot]

Its purpose would be the total obliteration of enemy craft and minor (non-shintouite) fortifications. However, getting stuck would be a big big problem. The Marius' Pride can ascend/descend vertically, so anything bludgeoning would I think do nicely. But I'm not a balistics/physics expert. :smallbiggrin:

Question... why does it rotate? A ram is usually built into the body of a ship so that it has the entire ship backing it up, any fancy turning attachment would risk shattering.

Personally I say make it a massive hammer on a winch. Then you can literally "drop the hammer" on people, and reel it back up later. Also doubles as an anchor.

Edit: not a very good ram at that point... but tons* of fun if you fly over everything.

*literal tons. Adamantium megahammer.

[Aedilred]

Its purpose would be the total obliteration of enemy craft and minor (non-shintouite) fortifications. However, getting stuck would be a big big problem. The Marius' Pride can ascend/descend vertically, so anything bludgeoning would I think do nicely. But I'm not a balistics/physics expert. :smallbiggrin:

Can you just stick a Menhirin on the front and get them to change shape as necessary? :smalltongue:

What I'd be more concerned about is whether a ram is likely to be effective at all. I assume the Marius's Pride moves pretty slowly, given what we have available for propulsion, and it's lighter-than-air, so it's going to have limited momentum. It's therefore unlikely to be able to do a lot of damage by ramming things: it'd probably just bounce off or brush past. It might do some scuff damage, but punching through anything with any kind of armouring or fortification seems optimistic.

[WaylanderX]

Question... why does it rotate? A ram is usually built into the body of a ship so that it has the entire ship backing it up, any fancy turning attachment would risk shattering.

Personally I say make it a massive hammer on a winch. Then you can literally "drop the hammer" on people, and reel it back up later. Also doubles as an anchor.

Edit: not a very good ram at that point... but tons* of fun if you fly over everything.

*literal tons. Adamantium megahammer.


Can you just stick a Menhirin on the front and get them to change shape as necessary? :smalltongue:

What I'd be more concerned about is whether a ram is likely to be effective at all. I assume the Marius's Pride moves pretty slowly, given what we have available for propulsion, and it's lighter-than-air, so it's going to have limited momentum. It's therefore unlikely to be able to do a lot of damage by ramming things: it'd probably just bounce off or brush past. It might do some scuff damage, but punching through anything with any kind of armouring or fortification seems optimistic.

Even with Gouji Engine Alchemy Based Propusion? And I was thinking, as a ramming manoever, gain altitude than descent at a slope to pick up speed. That should be possible. Diving attack kinda thing.

For the question why, come on. Ramming mega airship. Come on....COME ON..... :smalltongue:.

[SamBurke]

Can you just stick a Menhirin on the front and get them to change shape as necessary? :smalltongue:

What I'd be more concerned about is whether a ram is likely to be effective at all. I assume the Marius's Pride moves pretty slowly, given what we have available for propulsion, and it's lighter-than-air, so it's going to have limited momentum. It's therefore unlikely to be able to do a lot of damage by ramming things: it'd probably just bounce off or brush past. It might do some scuff damage, but punching through anything with any kind of armouring or fortification seems optimistic.

Steam-powered ram? It hits, then a burst of steampower?

[lt_murgen]

Airships, fluffwise, and Mahiki Jana otherwise.


Have we officially stated how we get horizontal movement on airships? I know on hovercrafts, it was big ducted fans powered by goblins peddaling. Most I thought were towed by either land units, ships, or air units. We are more like barrage balloons than the Hindenburg- I thought.

I tend to second Aedilred's assessment. Velocity is far more important than mass. BUt dropping weights on chains could be used, with the bolt being the pivot point.

[Aedilred]

Steam-powered ram? It hits, then a burst of steampower?

Like a piston with a ram on the front? Depending on what it's trying to hit, it's got a good chance of just pushing the Pride backwards, since it still needs something to push off. If it got tangled up in something it could use such a device to inflict further damage or to break free, but I'd have thought getting tangled up in something when you're an airship is pretty inherently bad anyway.


Have we officially stated how we get horizontal movement on airships? I know on hovercrafts, it was big ducted fans powered by goblins peddaling.
Chacmon's zeppelins were sail-powered, which presents problems of its own for ramming.

Steam power has been alluded to by Sam, presumably for propellers or the like, but I'd have thought steam engines were undesirably heavy for airships, and even then they wouldn't be great at providing great bursts of speed.

Edit: There were steam-powered airships (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giffard_dirigible) in real-life, but they weren't sufficiently powerful to fly against the wind.

[WaylanderX]

Like a piston with a ram on the front? Depending on what it's trying to hit, it's got a good chance of just pushing the Pride backwards, since it still needs something to push off. If it got tangled up in something it could use such a device to inflict further damage or to break free, but I'd have thought getting tangled up in something when you're an airship is pretty inherently bad anyway.


Chacmon's zeppelins were sail-powered, which presents problems of its own for ramming.

Steam power has been alluded to by Sam, presumably for propellers or the like, but I'd have thought steam engines were undesirably heavy for airships, and even then they wouldn't be great at providing great bursts of speed.

Edit: There were steam-powered airships (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giffard_dirigible) in real-life, but they weren't sufficiently powerful to fly against the wind.

Wind is not going to be a problem, the Marius' Pride has a detachment of 30 Aeromancers to take care of that. That in addition to its engines should give it slow but managable forward speed. When decending, I think it will have enough momentum to wreck.

But were getting slightly of course here: Which shape of Ram would be most fitting (even if its only feasable to have 1 ram). I like the idea of Marius' face though :smallbiggrin:.

[zabbarot]

Force is a factor of mass and speed. So just because an airship floats does not mean it can't ram things. Just means it has to be huge to have the mass to do damage do to low density.

[HalfTangible]

@HT: I'll put it in a PM, then.

Still waitin' on this :smallwink::smalltongue:

[SamBurke]

Like a piston with a ram on the front? Depending on what it's trying to hit, it's got a good chance of just pushing the Pride backwards, since it still needs something to push off. If it got tangled up in something it could use such a device to inflict further damage or to break free, but I'd have thought getting tangled up in something when you're an airship is pretty inherently bad anyway.


Chacmon's zeppelins were sail-powered, which presents problems of its own for ramming.

Steam power has been alluded to by Sam, presumably for propellers or the like, but I'd have thought steam engines were undesirably heavy for airships, and even then they wouldn't be great at providing great bursts of speed.

Edit: There were steam-powered airships (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giffard_dirigible) in real-life, but they weren't sufficiently powerful to fly against the wind.Steam power isn't gonna work for more than lift, I know (and that's pretty much just "yeah it's hot air" at that), but I'm working on a battery tech two rulers down the line that will fix things, maybe allow more power to be used.


Still waitin' on this :smallwink::smalltongue:
It has been sitting in my inbox since Monday, actually. With Wesley now in power, he wanted to just say hi.

[HalfTangible]

It has been sitting in my inbox since Monday, actually. With Wesley now in power, he wanted to just say hi.

Okay.

But Marvella can't read what's in your inbox now can she? :smalltongue: ... Unless I completely misunderstood what you meant by that >.>

[Elemental]

I would also offer to attend the Trade conference, but the Empire of Dawn decided to set up a trade and diplomatic blockade last round so it wouldn't do much of anything. The Sanctus Makgrull will recieve a messenger carrying a bronze plate with an inscription that wishes them well but apologizes for inability to attend.

If I didn't know any better, I'd almost say there was a war on or something. Still, a Sycian ambassador was able to reach Ashenia so it's not quite the complete suspension of East-West relations one would assume. Though I imagine travelling with a written invitation from Ashenia would ease one through the blockade.



Across several thousand miles? Why, that's brilliant!

And volcanoes and 8,000 troops and constant darkness and LAVA!

Bring it on! I can put ash in your drinks and make them unbearable! :smalltongue:

I know right?

The volcanoes and lava simply provide fertile soils for the lemon trees and the wildflowers that sustain the bee population and the troops are there to protect the chocolate from thieves. I don't know how the darkness fits in, but I assume it's for the benefit of tourists.

You could, but once you do that the drinks become themed for the occasion.



Guys, for reasons that will become clear later this round, I'm fluffing out the Marius' Pride combat ornaments, including a massive rotating ram up front (Meaning it can switch rams, not a gattling ram....wait....gattling rams....wwooo). I want this ram to be modelled after something. Preferably a shape that is both solid and doesn't pierce, because the Marius Pride mustn't get stuck of course. And it has to fit Hurosha of course.

I'd give you the tech to do the Solar Ray thing, but I rather doubt having to adjust hundreds of mirrors on the fly is something your crew could be bothered with when they can just throw flaming projectiles at people. You could cover the whole thing with mirrors anyway and blind your foes. After all, it's not going to be easy to camouflage so large an airship so you might as well inconvenience anyone looking at it.

[SamBurke]

Okay.

But Marvella can't read what's in your inbox now can she? :smalltongue: ... Unless I completely misunderstood what you meant by that >.>

It's there now.

[moossabi]

I know right?

The volcanoes and lava simply provide fertile soils for the lemon trees and the wildflowers that sustain the bee population and the troops are there to protect the chocolate from thieves. I don't know how the darkness fits in, but I assume it's for the benefit of tourists.

You could, but once you do that the drinks become themed for the occasion.

THE BEES EAT LAVA!!! THE COCOA IS A BYPRODUCT OF BROWN BEES!!! AND THE LEMONS ARE GROWN... actually, I can't justify this one. I just really like Lemonade. :smalltongue::smallannoyed:

[Gengy]

Are you talking to moos, the former player of the IAD and now playing Valasharix, or me, the person who is currently playing the IAD (as an NPC vassal, at any rate)

Apologies. I went data searching when moossabi expressed interest in attending, and was unable to locate the accurate information of the Empire under their control. The list has been updated to reflect this.

Any others? If all things go according to plan (read: real life doesn't get in the way), I'll be kicking this off the same day that Quinton opens round 34. I'd like to have a good idea of whom is attending for... reasons. Reasons that, if I pull it off, will be cool (but not detrimental to those attending or not attending, just "neat"), however, if I don't pull it off... won't matter, cause I won't be speaking of them publicly :smalltongue:

[Elemental]

THE BEES EAT LAVA!!! THE COCOA IS A BYPRODUCT OF BROWN BEES!!! AND THE LEMONS ARE GROWN... actually, I can't justify this one. I just really like Lemonade. :smalltongue::smallannoyed:

I have no idea how bees would either eat lava or produce cocoa. But that's hardly the weirdest thing around. Carry on sir.
Agreed. Lemonade is amazing.

[BladeofObliviom]

Oh hey HT, was that you that wrote up the DoF bonus myths on the wiki? Because they're pretty good! Even the pornographic one. :smalltongue:

I'll probably write and put up the myth behind that one thing I told you, Dark, and Quinton about but everyone else probably thinks I'm OOC dumb or neglectful for not doing. :smalltongue:



EDIT: Elemental, I'm pretty sure you can't investigate secret actions directly like that. Just FYI; no need to waste actions.

[HalfTangible]

@Sam: Reply sent. Writing that was far more fun than it had any right to be.

[HalfTangible]

Oh hey HT, was that you that wrote up the DoF bonus myths on the wiki? Because they're pretty good! Even the pornographic one. :smalltongue:

I'll probably write and put up the myth behind that one thing I told you, Dark, and Quinton about but everyone else probably thinks I'm OOC dumb or neglectful for not doing. :smalltongue:

Yes. Yes it was :smallwink: The heretical one is my favorite, if only from sheer what the crap.

There's supposed to be a section on semicanon that I forgot if I put in: stuff that's largely accepted by adherents and non heretical, but also not officially adopted as canon.

[Elemental]

EDIT: Elemental, I'm pretty sure you can't investigate secret actions directly like that. Just FYI; no need to waste actions.

That is most inconvenient. Especially as I have no way of telling which of the horrible things I would like to investigate and unearth the truth concerning are secret actions. It's not just inconvenient, it's silly.
I mean... Seriously? Are murder investigations impossible?
This war is based on secrets and things that no one bothered investigating before flinging declarations and I want to put a stop to that and iron out the details of everything.
Why didn't I complain about that rule when it was proposed? I know why, no one realised that this would happen.


Furthermore, I really hate to have to do this, but despite my attempts to avoid it and focus on other methods of conflict mitigation, there is a ninety-eight percent chance that I will have to send my troops against Faedas. I'll write up a proper declaration.
I hate wars. They have uncertain outcomes...

On a more positive note: Given that the only states whose Kings are adherents of the Doctrine of Frost are Glazfell and now Ashenia, there's a potential for an interesting dynamic there. HT, I may just ask for the High Priestess to preside over the next royal coronation in Ashenia to show up Glazfellthe faith and devotion of the Toranath family.

[moossabi]

Oh hey HT, was that you that wrote up the DoF bonus myths on the wiki? Because they're pretty good! Even the pornographic one. :smalltongue:

:smalleek::smallannoyed: Really?

[TheDarkDM]

Furthermore, I really hate to have to do this, but despite my attempts to avoid it and focus on other methods of conflict mitigation, there is a ninety-eight percent chance that I will have to send my troops against Faedas. I'll write up a proper declaration.
I hate wars. They have uncertain outcomes...

:smallconfused: That seems an odd course of action to take against a nominal ally that has recently survived an assassination attempt and has taken no hostile action. If anything shouldn't the Pax compel you to attack...Raaneka? Was it Raaneki forces that attacked Faedas last round?

[Elemental]

The following is only a preliminary declaration which I'm posting here just so everyone, especially Reggie, is aware of just what I'm doing.


I, Kellan Toranath III, King of Ashenia, regretfully inform all nations of the world that we are forced to recognise that the Pax Varinel has been broken by the very nation it was formulated to protect. Though I do this with a heavy heart, I hereby declare that a state of conflict shall now exist between the Kingdom of Ashenia and the Kingdom of the Heartwaste and indeed the entirety of the Faedas Freehold.
I urge Her Majesty Kyria Varinel to abdicate the Throne of Thorns and allow a quorum of the signatories of the Pax Varinel to select her successor from all living members of the Varinel family with the wisdom and merit to reign over the Heartwaste.
Failure to assent to this request will constitute a declaration of war against the Kingdom of Ashenia. I plead with you, if there is kindness in your comply. Do not let your lands become scarred and your peoples suffer needlessly.
May Yphine have mercy on our souls.

Signed sealed and dated at the Rotan Palace, 491.




:smallconfused: That seems an odd course of action to take against a nominal ally that has recently survived an assassination attempt and has taken no hostile action. If anything shouldn't the Pax compel you to attack...Raaneka? Was it Raaneki forces that attacked Faedas last round?

The Pax thing is complicated. Basically, because they broke neutrality and sided with the Concordat against the Empire of Dawn, I consider that a serious enough breach of intent for the above declaration.
Which I will repeat, I did not want to do.

[Snowfire]

:smallconfused: That seems an odd course of action to take against a nominal ally that has recently survived an assassination attempt and has taken no hostile action. If anything shouldn't the Pax compel you to attack...Raaneka? Was it Raaneki forces that attacked Faedas last round?

Raaneka simply decried their breach of the Pax and I sent 7000 troops into Aimplach, half intending that they get caught in the battle of Sympol. As they didn't, there was a 1/2 conquest implemented.

[Morph Bark]

Raaneka simply decried their breach of the Pax and I sent 7000 troops into Aimplach, half intending that they get caught in the battle of Sympol. As they didn't, there was a 1/2 conquest implemented.

How DID they reach Aimplach, by the way? Sympolemou, Yorukuni and Galie-Noiret, none of which are held by people allied with the EoD or part of it (the latter two are part of Faedas, the former part of Glazfell as its vassal), and I doubt they'd simply let you through.

[TheDarkDM]

Raaneka simply decried their breach of the Pax and I sent 7000 troops into Aimplach, half intending that they get caught in the battle of Sympol. As they didn't, there was a 1/2 conquest implemented.

...so the invasion doesn't count because Raaneka didn't think it would work?

[BladeofObliviom]

How DID they reach Aimplach, by the way? Sympolemou, Yorukuni and Galie-Noiret, none of which are held by people allied with the EoD or part of it (the latter two are part of Faedas, the former part of Glazfell as its vassal), and I doubt they'd simply let you through.

They got through because we didn't send troops to stop them.

This is because Snow sent the troops five minutes before round close.

EDIT: Changed things up to be slightly less hostile-sounding.

EDIT EDIT: Wait, HT quoted me already.

[HalfTangible]

They got through because we didn't send troops to stop them.

This is because Snow sent the troops five minutes before round close, like a true sportsman.
Four minutes. I remember.

:smalleek::smallannoyed: Really?

No, not really. All the tales are summarized, so nothing explicit. 'And then they had sex' is as close as it gets.

[Kasanip]

There are some surprises it was seen.

Suddenly population became 607,000! I don't remember such a change. However, it is a better feeling for population. :smallredface:

Thank you for hard work! However there are some little problems, too. [Military Table] is wrong for Chivalric Republic of the United Free Cities. It can be seen 4,000 of [Land Units], however it should be written 5,000 [Land].

Also for nations is also wrong for Chivalric Republic of the United Free Cities. It can be seen [i]Imports: Tea <Kyaralath>, however it should be written Tea <Kingdom of Ashenia> also received resources are Steel <Ash-Kingdom of Maur> and Cake <Guilderene Expanse>.

Every turn I try to write the change and update about nation in thread: http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showsinglepost.php?p=18347047&postcount=48

[Aedilred]

There are some surprises it was seen.

Suddenly population became 607,000! I don't remember such a change. However, it is a better feeling for population. :smallredface:

Thank you for hard work! However there are some little problems, too. [Military Table] is wrong for Chivalric Republic of the United Free Cities. It can be seen 4,000 of [Land Units], however it should be written 5,000 [Land].

Also for nations is also wrong for Chivalric Republic of the United Free Cities. It can be seen [i]Imports: Tea <Kyaralath>, however it should be written Tea <Kingdom of Ashenia> also received resources are Steel <Ash-Kingdom of Maur> and Cake <Guilderene Expanse>.

The imports show the region the resource is coming from rather than just the kingdom, as it can be relevant. So the tea is coming from Kyaralath, which is part of Ashenia.

Population was multiplied by ten a couple of rounds back, to give a slightly less wilderness-like population density. I can't help with the military, although the table won't have been updated for last round, so if you raised troops then, they won't be accounted for until the table is updated - which will be when Quinton has recovered from the headache of the last two weeks, I imagine.

[Gengy]

And now it's time for:
Helping Gengy!

Today's episode:
Crest of Praeclarus!
Found within the spoiler are three different choices. While you are posting other things, if you'd be so kind as to tell me your visual preference, that would be of help!



Number One
http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b400/waywordfool/OotSAvatars/Praeclarus-Crest1_zps73784755.png

Number Two
http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b400/waywordfool/OotSAvatars/Praeclarus-Crest2_zpsf2d052ee.png

Number Three
http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b400/waywordfool/OotSAvatars/Praeclarus-Crest3_zpsb3366c70.png

Win or lose*, thanks for playing, kids!

(*Only Gengy wins for sure. You may win by playing. You lose by not playing. Or liking ponies.)

[Snowfire]

They got through because we didn't send troops to stop them.

This is because Snow sent the troops five minutes before round close.

EDIT: Changed things up to be slightly less hostile-sounding.

EDIT EDIT: Wait, HT quoted me already.

Honestly, HT has the right of it. My only reason for doing so was because I was ordered to IC, so I did it. It was part of a decision making process that didn't have much time to carry through, due in no small part due to how screwed up everything got that weekend due to the rules mess-up that got noticed.

However I did not, in fact, send the troops four minutes before round close. I had either one or two (I forget which) units going to Aimplach as of the night before alongside the declaration of Pax-breach. Whilst not as much time as you should have had, I grant you, you did have time to block me and you chose not to.

[BladeofObliviom]

However I did not, in fact, send the troops four minutes before round close. I had either one or two (I forget which) units going to Aimplach as of the night before alongside the declaration of Pax-breach. Whilst not as much time as you should have had, I grant you, you did have time to block me and you chose not to.

You also specifically told me they were going through Sympolemou when I asked you about it OOC. I DID move troops to block them.

[Snowfire]

You also specifically told me they were going through Sympolemou when I asked you about it OOC. I DID move troops to block them.

Which meant they should have been blocked. If Quinton decided they chose all possible routes to go through, I'm unsure as to what I'm capable of doing about it...

Sorry :smallfrown:

Edit: Gengy, I'm torn between 1 and 3. But I know I like them both more than 2.

[Elemental]

Win or lose*, thanks for playing, kids!

(*Only Gengy wins for sure. You may win by playing. You lose by not playing. Or liking ponies.)

The first crest reminds me most of the deep sea.
Also, what's wrong with liking ponies? How can anyone not like such an adorably shaggy creature?
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/25/Fell_pony.jpg/400px-Fell_pony.jpg

[HalfTangible]

@Gengy: #1 looks the best to me.

[Morph Bark]

Number One
http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b400/waywordfool/OotSAvatars/Praeclarus-Crest1_zps73784755.png

Number Two
http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b400/waywordfool/OotSAvatars/Praeclarus-Crest2_zpsf2d052ee.png

Number Three
http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b400/waywordfool/OotSAvatars/Praeclarus-Crest3_zpsb3366c70.png

1 looks cooler, but 3 has better contrast and works best for flags and shields.

[Lord_Burch]

-Crests-

I think I like the first best- as Elemental said, it is the most evocative of the deep sea.

Also, I think I'd like to attend your event next round. I don't think I've got much to trade- most everything I have won't work well underwater. However, you do occupy an area pretty close to my own holdings, so I feel that I need to attend, if only for that.

[Gengy]

The first crest reminds me most of the deep sea.
Also, what's wrong with liking ponies? How can anyone not like such an adorably shaggy creature?

Nothing is wrong with liking younger horses, capable of being found out in the real world.

Colorful Cartoon Ponies, though? Please direct your questions to my associate, Mr. DarkDM.

[Aedilred]

Found within the spoiler are three different choices. While you are posting other things, if you'd be so kind as to tell me your visual preference, that would be of help!
#1 looks objectively the best. It is also however possibly the least heraldic of the options. Because most of the detail is embossed, it looks like something that could be stamped on a coin, but not sewn into a flag or painted on a shield: apart from anything else there isn't enough contrast for that since it's all blue.

With that in mind I'd be inclined to go for one of the others as the coloured emblem at least. Probably #3.


The first crest reminds me most of the deep sea.
Also, what's wrong with liking ponies? How can anyone not like such an adorably shaggy creature?

That is pretty adorable.

[Elemental]

Nothing is wrong with liking younger horses, capable of being found out in the real world.

Colorful Cartoon Ponies, though? Please direct your questions to my associate, Mr. DarkDM.

I feel I should point out that age is not a requirement as far as the question as to what is or is not a pony, merely adult with those being over fourteen hands considered full sized horses and those being under fourteen hands being considered ponies.
As for your second statement, I do not believe that is a question for this forum or indeed any other as the answer is a matter of opinion and a highly subjective opinion at that.



That is pretty adorable.

I know right? The Internet keeps making me want to start a menagerie, but I don't have the time or resources to properly care for even one equine, let alone a collection.

[Gengy]

I feel I should point out that age is not a requirement as far as the question as to what is or is not a pony, merely adult with those being over fourteen hands considered full sized horses and those being under fourteen hands being considered ponies.
As for your second statement, I do not believe that is a question for this forum or indeed any other as the answer is a matter of opinion and a highly subjective opinion at that.

I see your point, and I do not disagree with it. I would state, though, that Monkeys and Penguins are Awesome!

...Now you've done it. Jongo, shush. You're in the wrong game.

But... but... they are.

Go back into the brain, Jongo. This is about the Makgrull, not the Jongoscion, no matter how similar they might be.

Speaking of the Makgrull, thank you all for your continued opinions. If you are going to be participating in the coming Event of the Makgrull "unveiling", please let me know and state the name of your EMPIRE so that I can add you to the list.

[HalfTangible]

I see your point, and I do not disagree with it. I would state, though, that Monkeys and Penguins are Awesome!

...Now you've done it. Jongo, shush. You're in the wrong game.

But... but... they are.

Go back into the brain, Jongo. This is about the Makgrull, not the Jongoscion, no matter how similar they might be.

Speaking of the Makgrull, thank you all for your continued opinions. If you are going to be participating in the coming Event of the Makgrull "unveiling", please let me know and state the name of your EMPIRE so that I can add you to the list.

I am!

Holy Kingdom of Sycia

[Aedilred]

Speaking of the Makgrull, thank you all for your continued opinions. If you are going to be participating in the coming Event of the Makgrull "unveiling", please let me know and state the name of your EMPIRE so that I can add you to the list.

The event is next round yes? I'm interested. I meant to say so above but forgot.

[Gengy]

Current confirmed roster:

Guilder
Raaneka
Sycia
The Seaborne Confederation
Hurosha
Valasharix (maybe?)
Glazfell Hegemony (receiving invitation, declining due to reasons of war)
Imperial Alydaxan Dominion
ESM
Kingdom of the Carmine Sea
????


Yes, thanks HT :D I got you already. I meant for other people who choose to join this grand unveiling.

[SamBurke]

@Sam: Reply sent. Writing that was far more fun than it had any right to be.I didn't realize that before, and am very excited to go look at it. :smallbiggrin:

(Hopefully Wesley's awkwardness didn't destroy anything today)


That is most inconvenient. Especially as I have no way of telling which of the horrible things I would like to investigate and unearth the truth concerning are secret actions. It's not just inconvenient, it's silly.
I mean... Seriously? Are murder investigations impossible?
This war is based on secrets and things that no one bothered investigating before flinging declarations and I want to put a stop to that and iron out the details of everything.
Why didn't I complain about that rule when it was proposed? I know why, no one realised that this would happen.


Furthermore, I really hate to have to do this, but despite my attempts to avoid it and focus on other methods of conflict mitigation, there is a ninety-eight percent chance that I will have to send my troops against Faedas. I'll write up a proper declaration.
I hate wars. They have uncertain outcomes...

On a more positive note: Given that the only states whose Kings are adherents of the Doctrine of Frost are Glazfell and now Ashenia, there's a potential for an interesting dynamic there. HT, I may just ask for the High Priestess to preside over the next royal coronation in Ashenia to show up Glazfellthe faith and devotion of the Toranath family.
The reason stated is because otherwise, Secret actions would be investigated basically every time, and there'd be no point in doing them.

Also, Wesley is Doctrine of Frost, though he believes Rajurda is also correct/useful as a religion. Just so everyone knows.

[HalfTangible]

I didn't realize that before, and am very excited to go look at it. :smallbiggrin:

(Hopefully Wesley's awkwardness didn't destroy anything today)

Your browser doesn't give you an annoying pop-up when you refresh and have a new message in your inbox?!

Lucky >:I

[SamBurke]

Your browser doesn't give you an annoying pop-up when you refresh and have a new message in your inbox?!

Lucky >:I

It did, but I have tons and tons of PMs right now, so I didn't realize it was for that. :smallsmile:

[Lord_Burch]

Your browser doesn't give you an annoying pop-up when you refresh and have a new message in your inbox?!

Lucky >:I

There's a setting for that, you know. Under General Settings in the usercp, somewhere towards the middle I think. It's pretty helpful for this game, honestly.

@Gengy- I suppose you can just keep the IAD on there, and I'll send a representative by proxy.

[BladeofObliviom]

Your browser doesn't give you an annoying pop-up when you refresh and have a new message in your inbox?!

Lucky >:I

You can turn that off, you know. In the forum options.

EDIT: Ninja'd.

[SamBurke]

There's a setting for that, you know. Under General Settings in the usercp, somewhere towards the middle I think. It's pretty helpful for this game, honestly.

@Gengy- I suppose you can just keep the IAD on there, and I'll send a representative by proxy.

To be honest, I like the instant reminder. PMs make me really happy for some reason... :smallbiggrin: Maybe that's part of why I'm so addicted to EMPIRE!...

[HalfTangible]

To be honest, I like the instant reminder. PMs make me really happy for some reason... :smallbiggrin: Maybe that's part of why I'm so addicted to EMPIRE!...I leave it there because I miss them otherwise.

[Gengy]

Ok, look. I'll say this more plainly. I don't know all your Empires yet, lol. If you don't say it in your initial "I'll come to your Event" post, I'm gonna go searching. It may or may not be accurate. If I have something wrong, please - please - correct me, so that I can learn what Empire you actually represent :smallbiggrin:

Lord_Burch: Which Empire did you want to have on the list of invitations?

Aedilred: I'll be happy to add you. But which Empire goes on the list for invitations?

[zabbarot]

Gengy I just want to say how amused I am that your religious text is written in comic sans.

[Aedilred]

I leave it there because I miss them otherwise.

I turned it on briefly after New Year.

I turned it off again shortly afterwards.



The reason stated is because otherwise, Secret actions would be investigated basically every time, and there'd be no point in doing them.
This, basically. Although I don't think it's an entirely satisfactory solution, since there's no real reason why some things shouldn't be able to be investigated. It sucks to have your secret action uncovered, but it sucks even more to have your ruler assassinated and not be able to find out who was responsible. Especially when you know who it was OOC.

With most secret actions, if the secret-action-taking player rolls insufficiently well, they leave clues behind even if they're technically successful, which stops them being automatically impenetrable but still leaves high rolls pretty secure. But that doesn't work for assassinations, since they're opposed rolls.

I feel like there is or at least should be a possible solution, but have no idea what that is. A multi-stage process? (Tedious and slow). A very high TN? (Punitive, and possibly pointless). Degrees of success mechanic? (Cumbersome). I haven't interacted with the secret action investigation rules at all, so I don't know how well they work at the moment.

[BladeofObliviom]

Hey guys, minor IC thing; Torre is now king, in his mid-20s, and unmarried. If anyone has an offer, feel free to PM me over Skype or GitP.

[QuintonBeck]

That is most inconvenient. Especially as I have no way of telling which of the horrible things I would like to investigate and unearth the truth concerning are secret actions. It's not just inconvenient, it's silly.
I mean... Seriously? Are murder investigations impossible?
This war is based on secrets and things that no one bothered investigating before flinging declarations and I want to put a stop to that and iron out the details of everything.
Why didn't I complain about that rule when it was proposed? I know why, no one realised that this would happen.


It is a problem in the rules, I admit. It was mainly so people didn't say "I investigate Player B's Secret Action!" and make Secret Actions delayed actions on who knew who did what. It might be better stated that they cannot be directly investigated ala the example but the results (since how would the players know which results were Secret Actions and which were just events) can be investigated. Yeah, should probably go with that.


[CENTER]
Crest Choices


As has been stated, 1 looks the best to me but 3 will transfer better to more things. 2's right out.

EDIT:


Ruler stuff for Round 32

Ruler Attribute Bonuses

Celero: +1 Military, +1 Curiosity

Hurosha: +1 Curiosity, +1 Military

Faedas: +1 Diplomacy +1 Military +1 Faith (D5: Keldagrim)

Triad Judicator: +3 Faith. New Ruler! Hushyarr of the She'er (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showsinglepost.php?p=18640497&postcount=120)

Triad Executor: +1 Military

Calorum: +1 Military +1 Faith

Serendel: +3 Military

Guilder: +2 Military (C5) New Ruler! Doge Wesley (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showsinglepost.php?p=18643643&postcount=129)

Ashenia: +1 Curiosity +1 Diplomacy

Bordeux: +1 Curiosity +1 Military

AQUA: +2 Diplomacy (D5: Tar, Novrania, Bloomenwald, Jewelled Cities)

Salterri Imperium: +2 Military

Niskovia: +2 Curiosity, +1 Military

Glazfell: +2 Military, +1 Curiosity (C5)

Kingdom of the Carmine Sea: +1 Curiosity +1 Faith

Caercian Consortium: +2 Curiosity +1 Military

Pavonia: +1 Curiosity, +1 Diplomacy (D5: Thousand Vales)

Tzalteclan: +2 Military, +1 Diplomacy

Mularuhm: +2 Diplomacy

New Crima: +1 Diplomacy +1 Military (C10, M10, D5) New Ruler! Khoonbish the Inhuman (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showsinglepost.php?p=18584800&postcount=37)

Razdis: Has gone NPC!

Raaneka: +2 Military

Chivalric Republic of the United Free Cities: +1 Curiosity +1 Diplomacy, C5 used, New Ruler! Euco of Verbena (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showsinglepost.php?p=18639766&postcount=116) (ROLL ALLOCATION NEEDED)

Sycia: +2 Faith

Ash Kingdom of Maur: +2 Curiosity, New ruler! Kara Volshevrin (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showsinglepost.php?p=18611264&postcount=85)

Valasharix: +1 Diplomacy, +1 Curiosity

Everburning Horde: +1 Military, +1 Faith

An Nádur: +2 Diplomacy, +1 Military, +2 Faith (F5)

Praeclarus: +2 Curiosity, +1 Military, +2 Diplomacy (C5)

Greatest Kingdom of Zuiguo: +1 Diplomacy (D5)

Warriors of Syivine: +1 Faith (D5)

Watcher: +1 Curiosity (F5)

Blazing Temple: +1 Faith


Ruler table is updated, Religion table updated (in one minute or two), Military table updated (Kasanip, will be fixing yours in a minute or two)

Thank you so much Aedilred for helping me out with the rulers and religion.

I will try to muster up the energy to do NPC actions and reply/start to the RP threads I need to reply/start.

[Gengy]

Without meaning to make Quinton work more than he needs to, am I just blind, or is Praeclarus not on the "Ruler Stuff" list there?

Was I missed, or do I just have things accurate enough...? Or are those bonuses on top of the regular bonuses?


Gengy I just want to say how amused I am that your religious text is written in comic sans.

It is the most whimsical of fonts to choose from. And my writing style is, and always has been, about my whimsy. If I make someone else smile, all the better! :smallcool:

[Aedilred]

Without meaning to make Quinton work more than he needs to, am I just blind, or is Praeclarus not on the "Ruler Stuff" list there?

Was I missed, or do I just have things accurate enough...? Or are those bonuses on top of the regular bonuses?

You're not imagining it; it looks like all the data below Raaneka got cut off as there are a few others missing. It's just a clerical error, though; the information has been recorded and will presumably make its way into the post on the rules thread.



Thank you so much Aedilred for helping me out with the rulers and religion.
No problem! Hope you're feeling a bit better.

[moossabi]

Ruler stuff for Round 32

Ruler Attribute Bonuses

Celero: +1 Military, +1 Curiosity

Hurosha: +1 Curiosity, +1 Military

Faedas: +1 Diplomacy +1 Military +1 Faith (D5: Keldagrim)

Triad Judicator: +3 Faith. New Ruler! Hushyarr of the She'er (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showsinglepost.php?p=18640497&postcount=120)

Triad Executor: +1 Military

Calorum: +1 Military +1 Faith

Serendel: +3 Military

Guilder: +2 Military (C5) New Ruler! Doge Wesley (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showsinglepost.php?p=18643643&postcount=129)

Ashenia: +1 Curiosity +1 Diplomacy

Bordeux: +1 Curiosity +1 Military

AQUA: +2 Diplomacy (D5: Tar, Novrania, Bloomenwald, Jewelled Cities)

Salterri Imperium: +2 Military

Niskovia: +2 Curiosity, +1 Military

Glazfell: +2 Military, +1 Curiosity (C5)

Kingdom of the Carmine Sea: +1 Curiosity +1 Faith

Caercian Consortium: +2 Curiosity +1 Military

Pavonia: +1 Curiosity, +1 Diplomacy (D5: Thousand Vales)

Tzalteclan: +2 Military, +1 Diplomacy

Mularuhm: +2 Diplomacy

New Crima: +1 Diplomacy +1 Military (C10, M10, D5) New Ruler! Khoonbish the Inhuman (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showsinglepost.php?p=18584800&postcount=37)

Razdis: Has gone NPC!

Raaneka: +2 Military


You forgot my actions AGAIN. :smallfrown:

I feel empty.

[Aedilred]

You forgot my actions AGAIN. :smallfrown:

I feel empty.

As I said to Gengy, it's a clerical copy-paste error that's affected many newer players on that particular post since they're lower on the list. The actions have been noted and accounted, though: if you look at the relevant post on the Rules thread you will see them there.

[QuintonBeck]

Bah! I can't C&P Here's the link (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showsinglepost.php?p=18245954&postcount=7)and I'll fix the above post.

[ReaderAt2046]

Worried about the Makgrull already, huh? :smalltongue:

Only in that you look pretty much exactly like the unspeakably evil, vile, and dangerous race I'm currently at war with.


The Makgrull are very peaceful. The Makgrull have harmed no one. The Makgrull would dearly like to make friends with all of you, and learn of your shiny technologies, your sharp shiny pointy things, and your shiny shiny things.

As a player, I find the insinuations that you should be worried about the Makgrull - at this stage, in their second round - to be unsettling. I have proposed only the kindest of diplomatic ideals so far, including the creation of an Academy Ship for all countries. My actions thus far have been purely curiosity based and diplomacy based, with the little bits of Military increases purely for defense of Praeclarus.

Please ignore the fact that I have started as close to the exact middle of the map as I could. Please ignore the fact that I have done so in a way that makes it difficult for most people to out-right attack Praeclarus. Please ignore the fact that I currently am in possession of a region that would be stifling to trade routes based on oceanic travel if I was foolish enough to consider switching from my current trend of diplomatic policies. Please ignore any mad ramblings from anyone suggesting that I might be allying myself secretly with the vast horrors of the deep. At least one of these things is simply not true.

I am too new to this game to be a threat.

Which feels like a good time to re-iterate my question: Who wants an invitation to the unveiling of the Makgrull, in order to be my friend?

Current confirmed roster:

Guilder
Raaneka
Sycia
The Seaborne Confederation
Hurosha
Valasharix (maybe?)
Glazfell Hegemony (receiving invitation, declining due to reasons of war)
Imperial Alydaxan Dominion
ESM
Kingdom of the Carmine Sea
????


Sorry, but you'll never be anything more than "MONSTER!! KILL IT WITH FIRE!!" to the Pavonians. Not your fault, it's just the way these things happen.

[Gengy]

As previously stated... I can work with that.

Thanks for updating your post, Quinton. In the interest of fair play, I feel I should mention that the Rules Post you linked does not have my C5 action listed like you have it in this thread. :smallcool:

[Elemental]

I see your point, and I do not disagree with it. I would state, though, that Monkeys and Penguins are Awesome!


Speaking of the Makgrull, thank you all for your continued opinions. If you are going to be participating in the coming Event of the Makgrull "unveiling", please let me know and state the name of your EMPIRE so that I can add you to the list.

I think we can all agree about the awesomeness of penguins and monkeys.

I would participate, but seeing as my country is landlocked and none of the major rivers that pass near my capital are navigable that far inland I rather doubt that any Makgrull are going to be able to pop up from nowhere.
Being landlocked makes dealing with aquatic nations rather inconvenient.



Also, Wesley is Doctrine of Frost, though he believes Rajurda is also correct/useful as a religion. Just so everyone knows.

Yeah, but Wesley isn't technically a King.



It is a problem in the rules, I admit. It was mainly so people didn't say "I investigate Player B's Secret Action!" and make Secret Actions delayed actions on who knew who did what. It might be better stated that they cannot be directly investigated ala the example but the results (since how would the players know which results were Secret Actions and which were just events) can be investigated. Yeah, should probably go with that.

Well, that would require knowing IC what people's secret actions were which makes investigating them more or less pointless. Anyway, that seems like both a logical and sensible solution.

[WaylanderX]

For anyone that is interested, the new and improved Alzeroth region post:


The Alzeroth Collective
Region 139
Lesser Vassal of the Hurosha Empire

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The terrain of Alzeron is comprised mostly of vast expanses of grassland. However, intermixed with the grassland are patches of hills of varying sizes. Individually, these hills are not tall enough to impede movement, unfortunately, these hills are often clumped together, making the traversal rough.

In the eastern part of the lands, the area becomes much rockier and mountainous. While the "true" mountains extend beyond the borders of Alzeron, traversal in this area is usually made via the pathways.

In the centre of Alzeroth flows a large and vast river known as The Contigrue, providing the citizens of Alzeron all the freshwater and fish they need.

On the coastline of Alzeron is a large, semi-natural structure called The Stone Port. Originally, it was a large, flat rock that extended about a kilometer out to sea, but water and labour have created inlets to allow ships and boats to dock.

In the eastern area is a large, natural cave mouth that has a constant orange glow. This is known as Firestone Mine and is where the two materials used to create Firestone come from. The mines are rumoured to be many miles long, corridors twisting in all three dimensions.(See Resources)

The Alzeroth people are Humans with a relatively tanned complexion. The miners are often darker skinned, due to their near-constant exposure to naturally mixed Firestone in the mines. They stand around 6 feet on average and their hair is usually some shade of brown.

Both males and females usually possess long hair, adorned with with metal bangles or coloured fabrics and the like. Some of the more "adventurous" have taken to wearing activated Firestone in small glass balls.

There is only one "major" city in Alzeron, known as Oreth, where about 40% of the population live. There are several other towns and cities in Alzeron, but are relegated to more military or production matters.

In Oreth, the people are more dedicated to art and culture, spending time and wealth creating and acquiring paintings, tapestries, stained glass windows and other things like that. This is also the home of the ruling body, where the five Great Houses vie for the position of Grand Minister (See Government).

One of the main resources of Alzeroth is called Firestone, so called because of its ability to generate both heat and light. It is considered safer than traditional fire because it cannot be easily used to ignite things. If a piece falls on a wooden floor, it'll scorch where it landed but won't cause the house to go up in flames.

As mentioned above, Firestone is a mixture of two different materials. A fragile orange crystal called Sun Fragments and a crumbly metallic substance known as Grey Flame. When the two materials are powdered down, a feat you can accomplish with your bare hands, and mixed together, the compound is then exposed to air and after about 10-20 seconds, starts to react creating both light and heat and coagulating into a hard material.

Once burned out, the resulting material is a worthless soft, charred-grey lump known as Stoneash that has no appreciable use.

Individually, the two substances have little value, the Sun Fragments being too fragile to sculpt into anything and Grey Flame having no effect either on its own or as part of an alloy.

As a by-product of mining for Firestone, Alzeroth produces a large quantity of Workable Stone.

Due to the Contigrue river, Alzeroth is able to capture quite a large number of Fish, one of the staples of their diet.

Although there are various trees dotted around, the lack of any actual woodland requires importation of Wood

The Government of The Alzeroth Collective is known as "The Six Ministers". The Six Ministers are made up of a representative of one of the five Great Houses and the Grand Minister.

Each of the House Ministers are tasked with creating arrangements, policies and the like. While these are supposed to benefit the realm first and foremost, each House Minister also works to make sure that his own house gets the best out of the deal, leading to the necessity of the Grand Minister.

The purpose of the Grand Minister is to adjudicate and decide upon the various proposals. Unlike the House Ministers, the Grand Minister's ONLY duty is to that of the realm and thus the Grand Minister decides which proposal is the best for the realm.

Male and female House Ministers are equally common, sometimes changing from meeting to meeting depending on who is free and who is not. There is no "real" honour attached to being House Minister, nor is there any stigma for being "demoted" from the position. They are simply the mouthpiece for their House.

The Grand Minister, however, is more often Male. This is not due to any inherent sexism (Far from it, "more often" does not mean "Almost always") but simply that the one chosen to become the next Grand Minister cannot have any attachments of marriage and females are more quickly married off to secure alliances and agreements between the Houses.

When the Grand Minster reaches thirty years of age, he selects a successor from one of the children to educate in the ways of managing the realm and the Houses within. The Grand Minister teaches in whatever method he deems appropriate. When the child reaches twenty years of age, the current Grand Minister steps down and the child takes over as Grand Minister.

The Alzeroth Collective worships a pantheon known as "The Guardian Spirits" , with each individual selecting a particular Spirit to be their patron. There exists a Spirit for almost everything, from sea travel to illness to crops. Small sects of Ashmarism cropped up in recent years (491) after vassalage by the Hurosha Empire.

Oreth: W.I.P.

Fireglow: W.I.P.

Sea's Rim: W.I.P

Considered an offshoot of the Kasumori Academy of Culture and Prowess by some, this Academy is build to educate the Alzerites in the art of tactical warfare, aswel as to teach children and young people the cultures of both the Alzeroth Collective and the Hurosha Empire. The Academy itself is quite a big fortress like building, so it can be used as a refuge for it's students when needed. Outside on the field, mock-battles can be held between groups of students to test what they have learned about tactics. Games are held every year to decide the best students of the year. Students of the Kasumori Academy of Culture and Prowess are also known to participate in the matches, provided they can reach Alzeroth.

W.I.P.

U12 is a W.I.P. and will be posted here later.

[TheWombatOfDoom]

For anyone that is interested, the new and improved Alzeroth region post:


The Alzeroth Collective
Region 139
Lesser Vassal of the Hurosha Empire

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The terrain of Alzeron is comprised mostly of vast expanses of grassland. However, intermixed with the grassland are patches of hills of varying sizes. Individually, these hills are not tall enough to impede movement, unfortunately, these hills are often clumped together, making the traversal rough.

In the eastern part of the lands, the area becomes much rockier and mountainous. While the "true" mountains extend beyond the borders of Alzeron, traversal in this area is usually made via the pathways.

In the centre of Alzeroth flows a large and vast river known as The Contigrue, providing the citizens of Alzeron all the freshwater and fish they need.

On the coastline of Alzeron is a large, semi-natural structure called The Stone Port. Originally, it was a large, flat rock that extended about a kilometer out to sea, but water and labour have created inlets to allow ships and boats to dock.

In the eastern area is a large, natural cave mouth that has a constant orange glow. This is known as Firestone Mine and is where the two materials used to create Firestone come from. The mines are rumoured to be many miles long, corridors twisting in all three dimensions.(See Resources)

The Alzeroth people are Humans with a relatively tanned complexion. The miners are often darker skinned, due to their near-constant exposure to naturally mixed Firestone in the mines. They stand around 6 feet on average and their hair is usually some shade of brown.

Both males and females usually possess long hair, adorned with with metal bangles or coloured fabrics and the like. Some of the more "adventurous" have taken to wearing activated Firestone in small glass balls.

There is only one "major" city in Alzeron, known as Oreth, where about 40% of the population live. There are several other towns and cities in Alzeron, but are relegated to more military or production matters.

In Oreth, the people are more dedicated to art and culture, spending time and wealth creating and acquiring paintings, tapestries, stained glass windows and other things like that. This is also the home of the ruling body, where the five Great Houses vie for the position of Grand Minister (See Government).

One of the main resources of Alzeroth is called Firestone, so called because of its ability to generate both heat and light. It is considered safer than traditional fire because it cannot be easily used to ignite things. If a piece falls on a wooden floor, it'll scorch where it landed but won't cause the house to go up in flames.

As mentioned above, Firestone is a mixture of two different materials. A fragile orange crystal called Sun Fragments and a crumbly metallic substance known as Grey Flame. When the two materials are powdered down, a feat you can accomplish with your bare hands, and mixed together, the compound is then exposed to air and after about 10-20 seconds, starts to react creating both light and heat and coagulating into a hard material.

Once burned out, the resulting material is a worthless soft, charred-grey lump known as Stoneash that has no appreciable use.

Individually, the two substances have little value, the Sun Fragments being too fragile to sculpt into anything and Grey Flame having no effect either on its own or as part of an alloy.

As a by-product of mining for Firestone, Alzeroth produces a large quantity of Workable Stone.

Due to the Contigrue river, Alzeroth is able to capture quite a large number of Fish, one of the staples of their diet.

Although there are various trees dotted around, the lack of any actual woodland requires importation of Wood

The Government of The Alzeroth Collective is known as "The Six Ministers". The Six Ministers are made up of a representative of one of the five Great Houses and the Grand Minister.

Each of the House Ministers are tasked with creating arrangements, policies and the like. While these are supposed to benefit the realm first and foremost, each House Minister also works to make sure that his own house gets the best out of the deal, leading to the necessity of the Grand Minister.

The purpose of the Grand Minister is to adjudicate and decide upon the various proposals. Unlike the House Ministers, the Grand Minister's ONLY duty is to that of the realm and thus the Grand Minister decides which proposal is the best for the realm.

Male and female House Ministers are equally common, sometimes changing from meeting to meeting depending on who is free and who is not. There is no "real" honour attached to being House Minister, nor is there any stigma for being "demoted" from the position. They are simply the mouthpiece for their House.

The Grand Minister, however, is more often Male. This is not due to any inherent sexism (Far from it, "more often" does not mean "Almost always") but simply that the one chosen to become the next Grand Minister cannot have any attachments of marriage and females are more quickly married off to secure alliances and agreements between the Houses.

When the Grand Minster reaches thirty years of age, he selects a successor from one of the children to educate in the ways of managing the realm and the Houses within. The Grand Minister teaches in whatever method he deems appropriate. When the child reaches twenty years of age, the current Grand Minister steps down and the child takes over as Grand Minister.

The Alzeroth Collective worships a pantheon known as "The Guardian Spirits" , with each individual selecting a particular Spirit to be their patron. There exists a Spirit for almost everything, from sea travel to illness to crops. Small sects of Ashmarism cropped up in recent years (491) after vassalage by the Hurosha Empire.

Oreth: W.I.P.

Fireglow: W.I.P.

Sea's Rim: W.I.P

Considered an offshoot of the Kasumori Academy of Culture and Prowess by some, this Academy is build to educate the Alzerites in the art of tactical warfare, aswel as to teach children and young people the cultures of both the Alzeroth Collective and the Hurosha Empire. The Academy itself is quite a big fortress like building, so it can be used as a refuge for it's students when needed. Outside on the field, mock-battles can be held between groups of students to test what they have learned about tactics. Games are held every year to decide the best students of the year. Students of the Kasumori Academy of Culture and Prowess are also known to participate in the matches, provided they can reach Alzeroth.

W.I.P.

U12 is a W.I.P. and will be posted here later.

I...wut? Dang, when did that happen?

[WaylanderX]

I...wut? Dang, when did that happen?

Hehe...hehehehehehe......HAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Ahem. Long Story. Very long story :P. I'll type it out when I have time, if everyone can keep OOC from IC that is.

[Snowfire]

Hehe...hehehehehehe......HAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Ahem. Long Story. Very long story :P. I'll type it out when I have time, if everyone can keep OOC from IC that is.

Way. Way plz.

Storytime is always fun.

[TheWombatOfDoom]

Aedilred, Myrida has responded to your Declaration.

[lt_murgen]

It is a problem in the rules, I admit. It was mainly so people didn't say "I investigate Player B's Secret Action!" and make Secret Actions delayed actions on who knew who did what. It might be better stated that they cannot be directly investigated ala the example but the results (since how would the players know which results were Secret Actions and which were just events) can be investigated. Yeah, should probably go with that.



As has been stated, 1 looks the best to me but 3 will transfer better to more things. 2's right out.


GENGY- I like #3 the best.

SEKRIT AKTUNS- My suggestion would be that secret actions need 2 rolls- one for success of the action (any attribute roll) and one for the subterfuge (DIPLOMACY roll). If the player rolls badly on the subterfuge, the GM can post an event in the round opening thread for people who want to investigate. For example, the Seaborne Confederation does a secret action to cross-breed Pono al a Ono with members of the Grant family to create giant, mutant, amphibious love machines. I roll badly. A note goes into the IC thread about the Grant family spending lots of time with certain giant cetacians.

If you want to investigate a secret action, you should have to declare what you are investigating. For example- Investigate why the Grants are so interested in the Pono al a Ono. You have to have something to go on before you can investigate it.

This, then, gets around the assassination issue. The player can say "investigate who assassintaed King so and so" and roll against the subterfuge roll to see if they find out anything.

[Gengy]

I would participate, but seeing as my country is landlocked and none of the major rivers that pass near my capital are navigable that far inland I rather doubt that any Makgrull are going to be able to pop up from nowhere.

Being landlocked makes dealing with aquatic nations rather inconvenient.

I can see how that would be a problem... if I was still planning on doing things that way. As it is in it's new form, the Event is scheduled to be held on the islands Region 130, and you'll have (in game) years to prepare a way to get there. Fluff-wise, it would be difficult to get an invitation to you, perhaps, but I think if I ask nicely, I can figure out a way.



Crest of Praeclarus
In response to everyone's supportive answers, I think I'm sticking with #3 for the official version. Later iterations of the crest may alter the colors somewhat, but I'm happy with the result. Thank you all!


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The Official Crest of Praeclarus

[Elemental]

I can see how that would be a problem... if I was still planning on doing things that way. As it is in it's new form, the Event is scheduled to be held on the islands Region 130, and you'll have (in game) years to prepare a way to get there. Fluff-wise, it would be difficult to get an invitation to you, perhaps, but I think if I ask nicely, I can figure out a way.

All things considered, this whole war thing makes planning ahead difficult. I have no idea what I'll be doing next round.
Honestly... I can't help but feel that cancelling all my alliances, closing my borders and building a moat of lava to keep people out would probably be a good idea...

[TheWombatOfDoom]

All things considered, this whole war thing makes planning ahead difficult. I have no idea what I'll be doing next round.
Honestly... I can't help but feel that cancelling all my alliances, closing my borders and building a moat of lava to keep people out would probably be a good idea...

I wish I could do that! But i've worked for 32 rounds to get to a point where people actually wanted to defend me, so it seems that would only just seal me in an obsidian coffin. :smallfrown:

[Gengy]

All things considered, this whole war thing makes planning ahead difficult. I have no idea what I'll be doing next round.
Honestly... I can't help but feel that cancelling all my alliances, closing my borders and building a moat of lava to keep people out would probably be a good idea...

My region came with a moat.

In 360 degrees.

And I'm leaving it, in favor of interaction and quicker conquest of all I deem to be rightfully mine.



Seriously, though, I think many people are choosing to send dignitaries regardless of War, if only to attend a useful Event :smallbiggrin: I'm not trying to persuade just Elemental here, either, btw. I just want to get more people involved, because the more the merrier!

[TheWombatOfDoom]

My region came with a moat.

In 360 degrees.

And I'm leaving it, in favor of interaction and quicker conquest of all I deem to be rightfully mine.



Seriously, though, I think many people are choosing to send dignitaries regardless of War, if only to attend a useful Event :smallbiggrin: I'm not trying to persuade just Elemental here, either, btw. I just want to get more people involved, because the more the merrier!

Speaking of dignataries, should I survive the war until the round you host this, I'd have the Empire of Dawn, Serendel Kingdom, in attendance. That is, if the imperium doesn't choose to block me, or you know, Dreadlove, since he's in our canals, smashing our locks.

[SamBurke]

I leave it there because I miss them otherwise.
Exactly. Also, I have to say: LOVE your PM. Couldn't do it enough justice to reply last night tho.


Ok, look. I'll say this more plainly. I don't know all your Empires yet, lol. If you don't say it in your initial "I'll come to your Event" post, I'm gonna go searching. It may or may not be accurate. If I have something wrong, please - please - correct me, so that I can learn what Empire you actually represent :smallbiggrin:

Lord_Burch: Which Empire did you want to have on the list of invitations?

Aedilred: I'll be happy to add you. But which Empire goes on the list for invitations?I'm the Guilderene Expanse, if that was previously unknown. Sorry for not mentioning it earlier. :smallsmile:


Hey guys, minor IC thing; Torre is now king, in his mid-20s, and unmarried. If anyone has an offer, feel free to PM me over Skype or GitP.Wesley is unmarried... :smallwink:


Yeah, but Wesley isn't technically a King.
Dogetato, Kingtato, Potato, Pot-a-to.


Speaking of dignataries, should I survive the war until the round you host this, I'd have the Empire of Dawn, Serendel Kingdom, in attendance. That is, if the imperium doesn't choose to block me, or you know, Dreadlove, since he's in our canals, smashing our locks.
I get the feeling that Dreadlove's meeting with Cthulu will end him straight up. No worries m8.

[Gengy]

The invitations list has been updated (page 2, folks!) to reflect the Empire of Dawn's desire to attend.

On another note, the Event now has a NAME. And, a short missive regarding the event is being sent out to the nations of the world.


Graciously hosted on the Sea of Glass by the Seaborne Confederation, this will be The Centennial Gala, and is to be a celebration of the turning of the century, from 499 to 500. As this is such a momentous occasion that will only ever happen once, party designers have already begun their work of creating the right ambiance, and making sure that everyone whom is anyone will be invited to attend! In fact, the rumor is that there is already a theme selected, much to the amusement of those involved. The Theme of the Gala will be "Under the Sea". Even the invitations are to reflect this theme, as - where possible - they are being delivered to ports around the world on tablets made of stone, coral, and diamond. When unable to be delivered via mysteriously appearing at a dock of a major empire city, the invitations are delivered via special carriers, bedecked in strange costumes.

[WaylanderX]

I get the feeling that Dreadlove's meeting with Cthulu will end him straight up. No worries m8.

Hehehehehe, gonna be a fun part to write....


The invitations list has been updated (page 2, folks!) to reflect the Empire of Dawn's desire to attend.


Graciously hosted on the Sea of Glass by the Seaborne Confederation, this will be The Centennial Gala, and is to be a celebration of the turning of the century, from 499 to 500. As this is such a momentous occasion that will only ever happen once, party designers have already begun their work of creating the right ambiance, and making sure that everyone whom is anyone will be invited to attend! In fact, the rumor is that there is already a theme selected, much to the amusement of those involved. The Theme of the Gala will be "Under the Sea".

On another note, the Event now has a NAME.

The Maighdeann and the people of U12 will feel right at home then I guess! Sweet. :smallbiggrin:

[Gengy]

I feel that I should mention at this point that I am currently in talks with lt_murgen regarding how - IN GAME - The Centennial Gala is being perceived. For you folks at home, we all understand that, mechanically speaking, it'll be my <Diplomacy> action next round that kicks things off. And yes, Out of Character, this is *my* event. But in game?

Pending final approval by lt_murgen, the Seaborne Confederation is hosting a grand event, so big that it's taking years to plan; it's ignoring any disputes or wars in an effort to just have fun. Of course, dignitaries whom are from countries that are on opposing sides of conflict will, of course, be accommodated in such a way that they won't be sat near each other, or even have to speak with each other. After all, this will be an event to end a century, and begin a new one!

The rumor is that the night's entertainment will be something that few people have ever seen before...

[Snowfire]

So Gengy, I feel I should ask a question.

Raaneka recently worked out a way to allow humans and other species that do in fact need air to survive. to breathe underwater. The tech is non-burdening, and to use modern terms is something along the lines of a wetsuit that also supplies you with oxygen. Mechanically, it allows land regions with this tech to produce Aquatic units.

What sort of reaction do you see this evoking from Makgrull, if any? As if the theme is 'under the sea', the Raaneki delegation may turn up with quite a bit of this stuff.

[Gengy]

I think, as a whole, they will welcome it. That means that, the friends that they really like, they will be able to bring to see their grand city of Praeclarus at a later time.

A few of the more... cautious minded... will likely find it as a reason to make as many friends as possible. And for those whom have been unsettled by the Sanctus Makgrull's decision to bring the people of the city-state of Praeclarus up to the surface, finding out that the surface may well come to them will probably spur them to be more accommodating as well.

Short version: Good thing. But I'm not missing the implications, either.

[XIII]

I can't wait to jump in! Here is what I have drawn up. Comments, criticism, etc are all welcome. Still working on Dire Infernal Attack Honey Badgers.




The Tuvaak

Selyra 32A, XIII
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Harbinger Uyarak Suluk-Tukutkaa

Current Stats:
Diplomacy: 3
Military: 5
Curiosity: 3
Faith: 4
Luck: 4

Population: 32,000

The current harbinger is Uyarak Suluk-Tukutkaa. He earned his name and honor through his grand attacks on flying beasts. He specialized in climbing on the beasts backs and breaking their wings, bringing them down for the kill. When the last Harbinger grew older, he brought the clans together and asked for a challanger. Tan'Gerrliq Nalupkinaktuk was a beloved Harbinger, and at first nobody challenged him. The people wished for him to continue his benevolent rule. He addressed the clans about the world changing, times of trouble ahead and that they would need a new leader. A younger Tuvaak with a fresh outlook that would see their people to further prosperity when they came out to the world at large.

Uyarak challenged Tan'Gerrliq after hearing this. He wanted to bring the honor and glory of the Tuvaak to all peoples of this world. With a heavy heart, he stood before the elder orc, armed with his great-axe while Tan'Gerrliq took up his legendary longbow. The people looked on, confused that the elder had brought only one arrow with him, but not doubting he needed only one. The duel began and ended in less than 5 seconds. Tan'Gerrliq shot his arrow, burying it in the shaft of Uyarak's axe, between his two hands. He dropped his bow and claimed defeat, for he had no weapon to fight with. The symbolism was not lost on anyone. Tan'Gerrliq remained strong and skilled, but was wise enough to know that things were about to change, and the Tuvaak must change with it; begining with a new Harbinger. Before re-joining the ranks of the hunters, he left Uyarak with a final statement to ponder. "I was always just a hunter, even as Harbinger. It is what our people wanted and needed. Now they will need something else which I have no mind for. It is up to you to figure out what that will be, for I know not. Be warned, young one, civilized men will prove more dangerous to us than any beast or even Nunani, the demon who sleeps."

Community upbringing has leaned the culture towards biological parents being unimportant. The strongest and respected hold leadership positions, bloodlines are moot. All are brother, sister, father, and mother. Specialized caretakers who receive newborns keep records to prevent inbreeding; a mating couple must first seek approval from their Shepherd. Wisdom is passed down by word of mouth but also written into stories weaved by clergy. Harbingers pass down their wisdom and follies to the next Harbinger, if he is not killed first.

[Link to Original Rolls] (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showsinglepost.php?p=18651664&postcount=140)
Original Stats:
Diplomacy: 3
Military: 4
Curiosity: 3
Faith: 4
Luck: 3

Land nomads

Long ago, the Tuvaak were part of a different peoples. Originally of the Clanships, they splintered off under the philosophy of bettering the mind and body above pursuing peace with others. They preferred isolation from civilization and other tribes, hunting great beasts to prove their might. They sought to be spiritual philosopher-warriors longing to find the biggest and baddest thing with fangs and claws to put down or dominate for honor and glory. Physical strength as well as mental discipline are paramount to the Tuuvak. Enduring the elements, dominating, breeding and slaying beasts, and keeping out of the affairs of the world at large were all the people cared for as long as they can remember. Since the schism, their numbers have grown exponentially. The world is changing, becoming smaller, and word has reached the people of a dragon king; a kill that would send any Tuvaak into legend. They cannot and will not stay isolated any longer. The Tuvaak seek to make their strength and honor known and to move about mother earth without molestation. They will not abide a kingdom lead by a monster.


• The strongest rule and hold that position through respect and strength – “Shepherds” for individual clans, “Harbinger” for the overall leader of clans.
• Leaders are subject to others openly challenging them to single combat – the rules to be decided between combatants
• Rulers are advised by clergy
• The people are all called to duty by the gods living in nature, whom are served by the clans, regardless of where they are.
• Citizenship is dictated by meritocracy. You must be socially accepted. Race, gender, ethnicity, etc. are not variables taken into consideration.
• Culture fixated on self betterment (strengthening) through “monster-slaying"
• Honor/Shame based culture
• Killing or taming a great beast brings great honor to one’s name
• Unnecessary cruelty to hunted or tamed creatures is taboo; Either kill it or tame/care for it
• Assassination, murder, backstabbing, sneaking, hiding, etc. are all extremely dishonorable
• Politicking is generally frowned upon but understood as a necessity in some cases (such as dealing with outsiders)
• Arrogance/Boasting/etc. is frowned upon
• Level-headed people, not war-like; Strength is celebrated, not flaunted. Warring with humanoids is distasteful, save the blade for beasts
• This does not mean the people are cruel towards animals, pets are very common and welcome
• Breeding (new) types of beasts is a prestigious profession. Long tradition of experimentation with animal husbandry
• Gender equality
• Weakness is frowned upon
• “An eye for an eye” makes up the justice system
• Farming is not a thing, foraging and gathering what nature provides
• Strong sense of community

-Land Striders are the main domesticated animal, used as horses are. Some are trained for battle.
-"Naniitchuk" - Sugar cane distilled liquor. Sweet/Pleasant but extraordinarily potent; Very Flammable. Please drink responsibly.
-Leathers from various hunted beasts



• Spiritualists, worship nature
• Faith referred to as: “The Truth”
• “Druids/Shamans” make up the clergy, no gender restrictions
• Druids concentrate on the physical world and Shamans on the unseen spiritual world/afterlife
• Each aspect of nature is represented in their pantheon, including “the beyond”
• Believe the earth was made for the people by the Sky Father, who also created orcs. We are the supreme race and therefore the example; beasts are to be tamed or killed for glory
• Cultural and religious norms overlap. Ravaging the land/torturing beasts are punishable acts
• Live in harmony with nature (beasts are still meant to be killed or tamed)
• Never take more than what you need from the earth


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[Kasanip]

I feel that I should mention at this point that I am currently in talks with lt_murgen regarding how - IN GAME - The Centennial Gala is being perceived. For you folks at home, we all understand that, mechanically speaking, it'll be my <Diplomacy> action next round that kicks things off. And yes, Out of Character, this is *my* event. But in game?

Pending final approval by lt_murgen, the Seaborne Confederation is hosting a grand event, so big that it's taking years to plan; it's ignoring any disputes or wars in an effort to just have fun. Of course, dignitaries whom are from countries that are on opposing sides of conflict will, of course, be accommodated in such a way that they won't be sat near each other, or even have to speak with each other. After all, this will be an event to end a century, and begin a new one!

The rumor is that the night's entertainment will be something that few people have ever seen before...

It seems very interesting!

[moossabi]

Aedilred, Myrida has responded to your Declaration.

I agree. :smallbiggrin:

[BladeofObliviom]

I agree. :smallbiggrin:

Typically you agree with opinions rather than with facts, but okay I guess.


Actually Myrida's response seems to mostly consist of missing the point, obvious bias, self-centered morality, and at least one outright lie. There's also the amusing detail that Myrida accuses Jarrland of siding against kin in favor of scare-quoted "friends and allies" while apparently forgetting that Glazfell is ruled by a Jarrow.


@V: This isn't vitriol. I have worked hard to keep my own vitriol far, far away from the OOC.

[Snowfire]

Typically you agree with opinions rather than with facts, but okay I guess.


Actually Myrida's response seems to mostly consist of missing the point, obvious bias, self-centered morality, and at least one outright lie. There's also the amusing detail that Myrida accuses Jarrland of siding against kin in favor of scare-quoted "friends and allies" while apparently forgetting that Glazfell is ruled by a Jarrow.

And can we kindly keep the vitriol out of the OOC. Yes? Wonderful.

[HalfTangible]

And can we kindly keep the vitriol out of the OOC. Yes? Wonderful.

The tone I heard when reading this makes this one of the most ironic statements on the entire board. :smalltongue::smallwink:

[Snowfire]

The tone I heard when reading this makes this one of the most ironic statements on the entire board. :smalltongue::smallwink:

Given how insane this entire thing has become, I'm actually hesitant to call that a bad thing :smalltongue:

As to this;


@V: This isn't vitriol. I have worked hard to keep my own vitriol far, far away from the OOC.

Please keep in mind this is, in fact, an OOC thread. It's not designed as a place for you to hurl veiled insults at IC back and forth where both sides are biased by their very nature.

Which is exactly what you're doing, at least from my point of view. From an IC perspective. In an OOC thread.

Please stop.

Edits to add opinion and emotional content enablers (emotes)

[zabbarot]

Typically you agree with opinions rather than with facts, but okay I guess.


Actually Myrida's response seems to mostly consist of missing the point, obvious bias, self-centered morality, and at least one outright lie. There's also the amusing detail that Myrida accuses Jarrland of siding against kin in favor of scare-quoted "friends and allies" while apparently forgetting that Glazfell is ruled by a Jarrow.


@V: This isn't vitriol. I have worked hard to keep my own vitriol far, far away from the OOC.

Can we break this down to real OOC?

The war exists because a group of people are playing a game in which war happens. So everything is fine.


And really on the IC, both sides believe they are right and that the other is lying through their teeth. If that wasn't the case there would be diplomacy going on right now instead of troop deployments :smalltongue:

[WaylanderX]

Can we break this down to real OOC?

The war exists because a group of people are playing a game in which war happens. So everything is fine.


And really on the IC, both sides believe they are right and that the other is lying through their teeth. If that wasn't the case there would be diplomacy going on right now instead of troop deployments :smalltongue:

Zab, you're forgetting the Prowess. Never forget the Prowess!

[TheWombatOfDoom]

Typically you agree with opinions rather than with facts, but okay I guess.


Actually Myrida's response seems to mostly consist of missing the point, obvious bias, self-centered morality, and at least one outright lie. There's also the amusing detail that Myrida accuses Jarrland of siding against kin in favor of scare-quoted "friends and allies" while apparently forgetting that Glazfell is ruled by a Jarrow.


@V: This isn't vitriol. I have worked hard to keep my own vitriol far, far away from the OOC.

Ah ha! :smallredface: I did forget that Glazfell is ruled by a Jarrow, but I was more referencing that Lyradis and Jarrland's people used to be one in Old Lyradis. At least I think that's where we got with things. There's a difference between a common blood of ruler, and a common blood of population.

As for an outright lie, considering any knowing of that is completely OOC, and IC people are able to steal and adapt technology. So whats more likely, that I stole a weapon from my allies and used it against them, or that the peaceful Lyradissians have been harbouring war creatures for centuries right under everyones nose, and no one knew about it. Yeah, I'm going to go with the first one. And so is Myrida. :smallbiggrin:

I'm not missing the point. The point is that the Concordat attacked the Empire of Dawn, and we responded. Much of Jarrland's declaration was also bias, so responding with our bias is pretty much quid pro quo. I denied what is untrue that they stated, and gave Myrida's opinion.

[HalfTangible]

... Maybe we should stop the war. I'm okay with IC drama, but this is getting really messy OOC.

[moossabi]

Typically you agree with opinions rather than with facts, but okay I guess.

:smallannoyed: I was referring to the fact that he bothered to respond at all. And besides, as far as I can see, the Salterri demands were met. There is no way to justify that. So really, Vizini could come back to the throne, execute the "approved bride," and it would be perfectly justified. I'm not trying to be biased here, but I'm fairly certain that a counter-declaration is legal. :smallconfused:


Can we break this down to real OOC?

The war exists because a group of people are playing a game in which war happens. So everything is fine.


And really on the IC, both sides believe they are right and that the other is lying through their teeth. If that wasn't the case there would be diplomacy going on right now instead of troop deployments :smalltongue:

THANK YOU ZAB. But Radurja is still not allowed within my lands.

[SamBurke]

Actually Myrida's response seems to mostly consist of missing the point, obvious bias, self-centered morality, and at least one outright lie.
This is actually true of every response thus posted. :smalltongue: (I'm tempted to lampoon one and start the first satirical paper in the game, but I don't think that'll help the meta discussion.


... Maybe we should stop the war. I'm okay with IC drama, but this is getting really messy OOC.

This may be close to the worst it's gotten, but I think it's mostly in the channels, not here. Plus, having talked to Glazfell about "stopping the war" the price is rather rather steeper than is logical, so I don't know that it can be stopped in character.

[moossabi]

I'm tempted to lampoon one and start the first satirical paper in the game

Do what must be done, lord Sam. Do not hesitate, show no seriousness.

[TheDarkDM]

... Maybe we should stop the war. I'm okay with IC drama, but this is getting really messy OOC.

This is actually pretty clean by most PbP standards. We haven't even had one spoilered rant decrying the opposing side as bullies.

[Aedilred]

:smallannoyed: I was referring to the fact that he bothered to respond at all. And besides, as far as I can see, the Salterri demands were met. There is no way to justify that. So really, Vizini could come back to the throne, execute the "approved bride," and it would be perfectly justified. I'm not trying to be biased here, but I'm fairly certain that a counter-declaration is legal. :smallconfused:

Since I'm currently the designated spokesman for the Imperium until Morph has a bit more time (it's exam season) I'll pick up on this before it gathers momentum. (I may respond IC to Lyradis's response in time, or Morph may later). As far as the demands go, they were met, but meeting the demands does not ipso facto preclude war. The demands indicated that we would take failure to meet them as a declaration of war on us. The problem was that we felt we had a casus belli that had come about since the demands were issued, and that power has to be reserved. Otherwise the EoD could, say, meet our demands to the letter, send assassins to kill all our ruling families, and then say that since the demands were met we have no basis for declaring war.

In fact the declaration was issued largely independently of the military actions taken by the EoD in the war itself (since at the time it was written, the EoD had taken none). It was in response to the suspicion of Guilder's involvement in the Lotus killings, the blockade, and perceived failure to meet the agreed terms over the prior offences of Guilder.

I did reference things that had happened prior to the demands being issued in my declaration of war, which was possibly clumsy of me, but it was largely for rhetorical effect and I did not mean for, say, the blockade, to be taken as a casus belli in and of itself, because it was lifted, so it wasn't. It was just an example of the things which had happened that we didn't go to war over, to try to show how tolerant we'd been.

It's also worth pointing out that, IC, and as Myrida picked up, the declaration came from the KCS, rather than from the Imperium as a whole. The Imperium has yet to issue a declaration of war from the Silver Throne for OOC reasons, although one can be assumed to have been issued so that people know where they stand. It may not precisely mirror the one from the KCS, so if my declaration is to be analysed in detail, direct that at me/the KCS, rather than Morph/the Imperium.

The principal actual casus belli, though, is the assassination of Huanle, and our belief that the EoD via the Triumvirate were responsible, given they had both apparent motive and means. OOC, we know it might not be them, but IC, there's not really anyone else in the frame.

[TheWombatOfDoom]

The principal actual casus belli, though, is the assassination of Huanle, and our belief that the EoD via the Triumvirate were responsible, given they had both apparent motive and means. OOC, we know it might not be them, but IC, there's not really anyone else in the frame.

So basically, its your beliefs of what happened based on what happened and the evidence set before you. As in, there's a bullet hole in the body, and 3 people have guns, and its only logical that the sketchy one is the one that shot. :smallbiggrin: Myrida is basically saying, "I get that you think it was us, but its not, and if you go to war without having obtained the facts and evidence that it was us, then you are basically acting to the whims of someone else.

(she also suspects it was carmine or the imperium that assassinated their own family to pin it on the EoD, and use it as a reason to get into the war, but she's currently extreamely paranoid, because SOMEONE obviously has it out for her, because she keeps touching things, and they all keep falling apart) :smallfrown:

The above is her IC motivations, and in no way are accusations out of character.

[Snowfire]

This is actually pretty clean by most PbP standards. We haven't even had one spoilered rant decrying the opposing side as bullies.

I think that may be because a good amount of any true anger that is coming out of this is being defused through Skype though.

Then again, no massive OOC rants = good for all of us. So something to be happy about.

[Gengy]

It seems very interesting!

@Kasa: Does that mean that the Chivalric Republic of the United Free Cities would like to send a dignitary to attend?

[TheWombatOfDoom]

@Kasa: Does that mean that the Chivalric Republic of the United Free Cities would like to send a dignitary to attend?

Ah! You're learning (even if we aren't)! :smallbiggrin:

[ImperatorV]

The principal actual casus belli, though, is the assassination of Huanle, and our belief that the EoD via the Triumvirate were responsible, given they had both apparent motive and means. OOC, we know it might not be them, but IC, there's not really anyone else in the frame.

IC: Yeah it's not like Dissator named a kid after her or anything. Or the fact that strategically speaking she had no value whatsoever except as a means of ****ing off the Salterri. Which is quite obviously precisely why she was assassinated, but given that the most politically active Salterri state has been on the Concordant side since before the war was more then a possibility I don't expect any sort of detailed investigation of that possibility.

OOC: I can say for absolute certain that I was doing something completely different with my secret action. And Aedil, I hope for your sake you didn't know about this plot.

[TheDarkDM]

IC: Yeah it's not like Dissator named a kid after her or anything. Or the fact that strategically speaking she had no value whatsoever except as a means of ****ing off the Salterri. Which is quite obviously precisely why she was assassinated, but given that the most politically active Salterri state has been on the Concordant side since before the war was more then a possibility I don't expect any sort of detailed investigation of that possibility.

OOC: I can say for absolute certain that I was doing something completely different with my secret action. And Aedil, I hope for your sake you didn't know about this plot.

Oh, we're all well aware. But, really, you're kind of reaping what you've sown here. Triumval assassins have been given a lot of spotlight over the course of the game. And while it may seem unlikely to someone inclined to treat the Triumvirate/EoD alliance fairly, the Salterri and Triumvirate are old enemies and the EoD through Guilder have been dodging war with various parts of the Imperium for, what, 50 years? It may be an excuse, but it's a good one.

[Aedilred]

So basically, its your beliefs of what happened based on what happened and the evidence set before you. As in, there's a bullet hole in the body, and 3 people have guns, and its only logical that the sketchy one is the one that shot. :smallbiggrin: Myrida is basically saying, "I get that you think it was us, but its not, and if you go to war without having obtained the facts and evidence that it was us, then you are basically acting to the whims of someone else.

(she also suspects it was carmine or the imperium that assassinated their own family to pin it on the EoD, and use it as a reason to get into the war, but she's currently extreamely paranoid, because SOMEONE obviously has it out for her, because she keeps touching things, and they all keep falling apart) :smallfrown:

The above is her IC motivations, and in no way are accusations out of character.

In Jarrland (and Vennland) family is all-important. Someone killing a member of your family is cause for outrage. Killing or betraying a member of your own family is just about the worst crime possible, socially if not necessarily legally. This is why Fydias's name is mud, and why Athelwyr was so furious with his son for not being there when Elwyr blew up. It's also why Fydias wasn't executed even though he probably should have been, because it was still taboo to kill him. (This attitude has been revised in light of not executing him having turned out to be a very poor decision).

Obviously there is a kind of reasonable limitation on that, and I don't think anyone seriously expects Myrida and Torre not to go to war just because they're both distantly related (third or fourth cousins, I think), even if it would be nice. Especially since they weren't brought up in Jarrland and thus probably won't have internalised the same attitude. Expectations of Gun Huang in that respect are rather higher, given that he's both more directly connected to Jarrland customs via his mother (and he never really knew his father, after all), and he uses the Jarrow name.

But for the king in the KCS to have a member of his own family killed - excepting those members of the family who've been cast out for similar crimes, of course - would be, if not completely unthinkable, certainly unforgivable, and rather out of character. (If such a plot ever develops, you can make appropriate assumptions about that character).


IC: Yeah it's not like Dissator named a kid after her or anything. Or the fact that strategically speaking she had no value whatsoever except as a means of ****ing off the Salterri. Which is quite obviously precisely why she was assassinated, but given that the most politically active Salterri state has been on the Concordant side since before the war was more then a possibility I don't expect any sort of detailed investigation of that possibility.

OOC: I can say for absolute certain that I was doing something completely different with my secret action. And Aedil, I hope for your sake you didn't know about this plot.
Well, I gather everyone has a price on their heads... although even assuming the Guild wouldn't take a contract on her then it might have gone wrong: a hit on Kyria that took in Huanle as well as her heir apparent or a case of mistaken identity, etc.

Inititally my assumption, along with several others', was that it was obviously the Triumvirate, world's leading purveyor of assassins, who wielded the knife, probably at EoD instigation. Subsequent to ensuing conversations and realisations I am now as sure as I can be OOC that it wasn't you.

[ImperatorV]

I'm not sure whether to be happy my assassins are so famous or annoyed at the trouble they are currently causing :smalltongue:


Really though Unmarked or non-professionals makes a lot more sense if you have the information and wits to puzzle it out. Unfortunately information is practically non-existent IC and wits are often lacking.

[TheDarkDM]

I'm not sure whether to be happy my assassins are so famous or annoyed at the trouble they are currently causing :smalltongue:


Really though Unmarked or non-professionals makes a lot more sense if you have the information and wits to puzzle it out. Unfortunately information is practically non-existent IC and wits are often lacking.

Well, like I said above, wanting to go to war somewhat disincentivizes one from too closely examining their casus belli.

[zabbarot]

Oh, we're all well aware. But, really, you're kind of reaping what you've sown here. Triumval assassins have been given a lot of spotlight over the course of the game. And while it may seem unlikely to someone inclined to treat the Triumvirate/EoD alliance fairly, the Salterri and Triumvirate are old enemies and the EoD through Guilder have been dodging war with various parts of the Imperium for, what, 50 years? It may be an excuse, but it's a good one.

The Salterri and the Triumvirate only really fought the one time though, and damn near everyone who was playing at the time was in that war against them. Since then we assisted in their civil war, but have otherwise been pretty neutral towards them. Up until the King of Carmine issued a claim I don't think they'd even really interacted for 50 years. So really, that hatchet seemed about as buried as it could be.

Not saying that negates the assumptions, just saying that I thought we were on neutral ground at worse with the Salties leading into the war starting. We had(still have?) plans for the immediate future that would suggest we were/are on good terms.

[Aedilred]

The Salterri and the Triumvirate only really fought the one time though, and damn near everyone who was playing at the time was in that war against them. Since then we assisted in their civil war, but have otherwise been pretty neutral towards them. Up until the King of Carmine issued a claim I don't think they'd even really interacted for 50 years. So really, that hatchet seemed about as buried as it could be.

Yeah, I feel like a central plank of both Salterri and Triumvirate foreign policy for most of the fifth century was to try to avoid war with each other, particularly since, before Bordeux expanded so far and absorbed Alydaxis, and the Concordat formed, they were probably the most dangerous potential threat to each other's existence. Obviously Zhuang screwed that up a bit, but he also provided a common focus for the anger that resulted, since both sides felt betrayed, and there have been intermarriages since then again.

The Imperium, and the KCS in particular, does I think have a bit of a problem with Radurja, for much the same reasons as anyone else who has a problem with Radurja does. But we've mostly been happy to deal with the secular arms of their government. The Imperium doesn't, I think, really understand republican democracy and thinks it's doomed to failure (inasmuch as the Triumvirate is a republican democracy, as the KCS is currently querying), and the Triumvirate probably has ideological question-marks over the Imperium too, but mutual lack of cultural understanding is far from unique to them.

There is also an awareness however that the Triumvirate has a bit of a mercenary streak, and recent events with Hushyarr and the Jaaku Na have raised suspicion of it to a degree, so this wasn't by any means unbelievable.

[HalfTangible]

Hey, is it possible to have techs that require a certain race in your region? I ask because I want to try and make the different races in Felitora relevant to how the Doctrine conducts war, and have each give their own advantages/disadvantages on the battlefield.

If not, I'll just raise a land battalion for each and then name them when they go off to war for flavor purposes.

[BladeofObliviom]

Hey, is it possible to have techs that require a certain race in your region? I ask because I want to try and make the different races in Felitora relevant to how the Doctrine conducts war, and have each give their own advantages/disadvantages on the battlefield.

If not, I'll just raise a land battalion for each and then name them when they go off to war for flavor purposes.

Race-specific techs are possible. Carmine definitely has one, though the had to introduce a resource of Arpied Mercenaries to do it.

[BladeofObliviom]

Hey, does anyone remember/know all the details of Telluris' moons? It came up in a Skype conversation and I'm realizing it's a huge gap in my OOC knowledge.

[Lord_Burch]

Hey, does anyone remember/know all the details of Telluris' moons? It came up in a Skype conversation and I'm realizing it's a huge gap in my OOC knowledge.

I believe it's been established we have three- one larger and bright, one smaller and darker but still visible, and one that can't be seen with the naked eye. I believe Elemental was the first to mention the last one, as well as being the one most likely to know about it IC.

[BladeofObliviom]

I believe it's been established we have three- one larger and bright, one smaller and darker but still visible, and one that can't be seen with the naked eye. I believe Elemental was the first to mention the last one, as well as being the one most likely to know about it IC.

Yeah, that's kind of vaguely what I remembered. Presumably the big, bright one is the Silver Moon and the subject of the Moonshroud festival, right?

[Lord_Burch]

Yeah, that's kind of vaguely what I remembered. Presumably the big, bright one is the Silver Moon and the subject of the Moonshroud festival, right?

On the first- yes. On the second, I have no idea. I'm the other guy with a moon-themed event. :smalltongue:

[BladeofObliviom]

On the first- yes. On the second, I have no idea. I'm the other guy with a moon-themed event. :smalltongue:

Well, according to the wiki page on the Moonshroud, it signifies a total lunar eclipse of the smaller moon my the larger one biannually. Having taken a look at the Frostmoon festival OP though, that's interesting too. Does the latter just come slightly before or after the former every time, or is it rarer? If it's rarer, why/how does that happen?


Though now that I look at it closely, the moons might well match up to the setting's major Goddesses. Silver Lady (who may or may not be the same as Bordeux's lady, I forget) would be the big bright silver moon, Yphine would be the visibly blue smaller moon, and Kina would be the shifty one who hides in the dark but gravitationally affects things from out of sight. :smallwink:

[HalfTangible]

To anyone who may have tried to send a Pm to me in the last ten minutes or so: I just cleared out 30 messages from my inbox.

[SamBurke]

Do what must be done, lord Sam. Do not hesitate, show no seriousness.I... I think I will. PARODY INCOMING! :smallbiggrin:


@Kasa: Does that mean that the Chivalric Republic of the United Free Cities would like to send a dignitary to attend?

Heyyyy Kasanip: Is there any chance you can attend the Trade Event, not for trade, but so that I can make my signature for your folks a sub-action. Otherwise it's still a few rounds before I can sign onto the Hospitallers.

[Elemental]

I wish I could do that! But i've worked for 32 rounds to get to a point where people actually wanted to defend me, so it seems that would only just seal me in an obsidian coffin. :smallfrown:

I'm sure it'd be a very nice obsidian coffin.



My region came with a moat.

In 360 degrees.

And I'm leaving it, in favor of interaction and quicker conquest of all I deem to be rightfully mine.



Seriously, though, I think many people are choosing to send dignitaries regardless of War, if only to attend a useful Event :smallbiggrin: I'm not trying to persuade just Elemental here, either, btw. I just want to get more people involved, because the more the merrier!

I would buy your moat, but I've got nowhere to put it.

Ultimately, it'll depend on what I end up needing to do next round. I may end up having to spend all my actions on raising troops.



... Maybe we should stop the war. I'm okay with IC drama, but this is getting really messy OOC.

I agree. If only because it'd make my life easier. I hate having to do things I'd really rather not.



This is actually pretty clean by most PbP standards. We haven't even had one spoilered rant decrying the opposing side as bullies.

You are all pretty cool people.



The principal actual casus belli, though, is the assassination of Huanle, and our belief that the EoD via the Triumvirate were responsible, given they had both apparent motive and means. OOC, we know it might not be them, but IC, there's not really anyone else in the frame.

Here's hoping my investigators get to the bottom of this. And soon.

On that note, who has free actions I can persuade to spend on investigations? I really want some of these declarations pulled apart.



OOC: I can say for absolute certain that I was doing something completely different with my secret action. And Aedil, I hope for your sake you didn't know about this plot.

This is why I never take secret actions. Everything I've done in game has been clear and in the open. Of course, this is mostly so I don't forget what I did ten to twenty rounds ago that caused a declaration of war on my country.



Hey, does anyone remember/know all the details of Telluris' moons? It came up in a Skype conversation and I'm realizing it's a huge gap in my OOC knowledge.

According to observations made by Ashenite astronomers, Telluris has at least three moons.
The largest is a bright silvery white, similar to the Moon I assume we are all familiar with though with a less cratered surface.
The next largest is blue and orbits closer to Telluris than the other, which of course has the effect of it occasionally eclipsing the other which is considered a spectacular event when it happens at the full moon as the smaller, and fainter, blue moon is framed by a brilliant silvery white ring, hence the Frostmoon Festival.
The third moon is dark and not visible to the naked eye, which given that Telluris is only able to conduct astronomical in the visible spectrum makes it rather hard to study and all attempts to calculate its orbit have considerable errors despite the best efforts of Ashenia's leading mathematicians and astronomers. Most of what is known about it is gleaned from occasions where it passes in front of other objects and thus, they assume it's smaller than the other two, orbits on roughly the same plane as the other two and is definitely closer than the silver moon and may be closer than the blue moon.

*cough* I've yet to actually name them... *cough*



Well, according to the wiki page on the Moonshroud, it signifies a total lunar eclipse of the smaller moon my the larger one biannually. Having taken a look at the Frostmoon festival OP though, that's interesting too. Does the latter just come slightly before or after the former every time, or is it rarer? If it's rarer, why/how does that happen?


Though now that I look at it closely, the moons might well match up to the setting's major Goddesses. Silver Lady (who may or may not be the same as Bordeux's lady, I forget) would be the big bright silver moon, Yphine would be the visibly blue smaller moon, and Kina would be the shifty one who hides in the dark but gravitationally affects things from out of sight. :smallwink:

Huh... I've been going on the events of Frostmoon... I may need to revise the order of their orbits as it seems it changes over the course of the year... Assume magic is responsible. After all, in this universe the stars may very well be fixed on the surface of a crystal sphere.

That works. Of course, different cultures likely see things differently.

[SamBurke]

According to observations made by Ashenite astronomers, Telluris has at least three moons.
The largest is a bright silvery white, similar to the Moon I assume we are all familiar with though with a less cratered surface.
The next largest is blue and orbits closer to Telluris than the other, which of course has the effect of it occasionally eclipsing the other which is considered a spectacular event when it happens at the full moon as the smaller, and fainter, blue moon is framed by a brilliant silvery white ring, hence the Frostmoon Festival.
The third moon is dark and not visible to the naked eye, which given that Telluris is only able to conduct astronomical in the visible spectrum makes it rather hard to study and all attempts to calculate its orbit have considerable errors despite the best efforts of Ashenia's leading mathematicians and astronomers. Most of what is known about it is gleaned from occasions where it passes in front of other objects and thus, they assume it's smaller than the other two, orbits on roughly the same plane as the other two and is definitely closer than the silver moon and may be closer than the blue moon.


Deeplenses should help with that. Razdis has those, I believe.

[Morph Bark]

I believe it's been established we have three- one larger and bright, one smaller and darker but still visible, and one that can't be seen with the naked eye. I believe Elemental was the first to mention the last one, as well as being the one most likely to know about it IC.

The largest one is silver, and I believe the second one was blue, right? I don't believe I specified in the Moonshroud thread, but I thought you had in the Frostmoon Festival.

From what I remember:

Moonshroud happens once every 2 years, when the smaller moon (Wu Jingshen to the Salterri) goes behind the silver moon (Heng'e). I forgot the exact meaning of Wu Jingshen, but Google tells me it's "no spirit". Heng'e is named after a Chinese moon goddess, and in-universe that'd probably be a princess of ancient legend, or another name for the Silver Lady, or both (accounts do vary somewhat between regions when it comes to mythology).

The Frostmoon Festival is celebrated every year, but the actual astronomical event happens every 20 years (397, 417, 437, etc, so next round again in 497). In there, the larger moon goes behind the smaller one, giving a "corona" around the smaller one (iirc, that is) for which the festival is named.

It's possible that in these scenarios the smaller moons are actually different ones, but since the third moon is black and was only recently discovered by Ashenian telescopes, that would be unlikely (unless it is Frostmoon that has it, as then the black one goes in front of the big silver moon and thereby becomes visible--the moon would still not be visible the rest of the years, unless you used a telescope).

If the smaller, blue moon has an irregular path around Telluris, that might explain some things. Or if its path is at an angle with the other ones. Considering Frostmoon happens on odd years and Moonshroud on even ones, it is definitely curious.

[moossabi]

My guys can't see the moons from where they are.

So therefore I am currently irrelevant. :smallfrown:

Also, I'm having suspicions second thoughts about attending the event. Sorry 'bout that.

[Lord_Burch]

Here's hoping my investigators get to the bottom of this. And soon.

On that note, who has free actions I can persuade to spend on investigations? I really want some of these declarations pulled apart.

I can. I mean, I was doing projects, but those can go on the back burner for a bit. Besides it reminds there was another investigation I was going to do.




Huh... I've been going on the events of Frostmoon... I may need to revise the order of their orbits as it seems it changes over the course of the year... Assume magic is responsible. After all, in this universe the stars may very well be fixed on the surface of a crystal sphere.

That works. Of course, different cultures likely see things differently.

Yes. Magic is definitely at play. Also, I never bothered to actually explain how it works. It just does.


The largest one is silver, and I believe the second one was blue, right? I don't believe I specified in the Moonshroud thread, but I thought you had in the Frostmoon Festival.

From what I remember:

Moonshroud happens once every 2 years, when the smaller moon (Wu Jingshen to the Salterri) goes behind the silver moon (Heng'e). I forgot the exact meaning of Wu Jingshen, but Google tells me it's "no spirit". Heng'e is named after a Chinese moon goddess, and in-universe that'd probably be a princess of ancient legend, or another name for the Silver Lady, or both (accounts do vary somewhat between regions when it comes to mythology).

The Frostmoon Festival is celebrated every year, but the actual astronomical event happens every 20 years (397, 417, 437, etc, so next round again in 497). In there, the larger moon goes behind the smaller one, giving a "corona" around the smaller one (iirc, that is) for which the festival is named.

It's possible that in these scenarios the smaller moons are actually different ones, but since the third moon is black and was only recently discovered by Ashenian telescopes, that would be unlikely (unless it is Frostmoon that has it, as then the black one goes in front of the big silver moon and thereby becomes visible--the moon would still not be visible the rest of the years, unless you used a telescope).

If the smaller, blue moon has an irregular path around Telluris, that might explain some things. Or if its path is at an angle with the other ones. Considering Frostmoon happens on odd years and Moonshroud on even ones, it is definitely curious.

See, now, I love it when people pick apart my random justification for something cool I wanted to do. :smalltongue: I mean, if someone can make sense of it, cool, but I'm not knowledgable enough to try.

[HalfTangible]

The dragon's eye festival is apparently an event where all 3 moons eclipse the sun every 150 (or 160) years.

With the Pink Tide, Frostmoon, and Moonshroud, we have 4 lunar events that are nigh impossible to reconcile.

Some theories thrown around:
-one moon orbits one of the others, so while rare they're still likely to eclipse each other in different ways
-Pink Tide is when the two moons bang, and the black moon is the gothic teen moon.
-Since moonshroud and frostmoon occur in the winter and Dragon's Eye in the summer, the difference in the planet's tilt presents the moons at a slightly different angle that allows for different types of eclipses throughout the year.
-MAGIC!!!

[SamBurke]

-MAGIC!!!
-MAGIC!!!
-MAGIC!!!
-MAGIC!!!

At least we have 4 plausible options. I'm sure one of them will work.

[Morph Bark]

The dragon's eye festival is apparently an event where all 3 moons eclipse the sun every 150 (or 160) years.

It isn't though. It's a solar eclipse specifically during the summer solstice, every 150 years, yes.

[SamBurke]

It isn't though. It's a solar eclipse specifically during the summer solstice, every 150 years, yes.

So, to Morph... (off topic totally) is the marriage of Wesley to a Salterri Princess still a go? Would you like to PM/Skype a bit?

[Morph Bark]

So, to Morph... (off topic totally) is the marriage of Wesley to a Salterri Princess still a go? Would you like to PM/Skype a bit?

I'll send you something specific on that tomorrow eve or on Saturday. Just dropping by for a bit, but Imma be pulling an all-nighter to finish an exam-equivalent paper.

[HalfTangible]

So, to Morph... (off topic totally) is the marriage of Wesley to a Salterri Princess still a go? Would you like to PM/Skype a bit?

Given the pm chat we've been having, this makes me laugh so hard.

... well, inside, anyway

[Elemental]

I can. I mean, I was doing projects, but those can go on the back burner for a bit. Besides it reminds there was another investigation I was going to do.

It would be very handy if you were able to launch an investigation into part of the mess that is this war. If you can, investigate the parts of Tzalteclan's declaration I bolded:

Yet even in the face of these affronts, the Concordat did not take action. For it is not wounded pride which moves us now, but a brazen attack on the Concordat and the peace that we so strive for. For in defense of peace we extended a hand to Khaboss Stormskull, and were met with a tale of vile betrayal. Beneath the notice of all Telluris, Guilder plotted insurrection and war, courting Khaboss Ironarm to their banner while attempting to place him in the seat of Stormskull with deadly poison. Now Guilder's puppet orcs march on the Concordat wrapped in Guilderene armor, and an orcish king bereft a son cries out in vengeance.

Specifically, I'm hoping that an investigation will show Guilder's innocence and bring this war to a close. I'm investigating the murder of Li Huanle Jarrow and Kitsanth's going for the Lotus Murders, so if you do that, both the Imperium and Concordat's declarations will fall apart in light of the truth. I hope. Of course, there is the chance that the investigations do not succeed and we end up wasting our time.

[SamBurke]

I'll send you something specific on that tomorrow eve or on Saturday. Just dropping by for a bit, but Imma be pulling an all-nighter to finish an exam-equivalent paper.Sounds good. I'll be available to talk best on Monday.


Given the pm chat we've been having, this makes me laugh so hard.

... well, inside, anyway
I know. But we have to keep our (semi-diabolical) plans secret for now. :smalltongue:

[SamBurke]

I... I think I will. PARODY INCOMING! :smallbiggrin:


Let it never be said that Guilder misses a change to make fun of someone.

The first satirical paper ever written in Telluris. (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?326407-EMPIRE!-A-World-Building-Game-of-People-amp-Discovery&p=18664938#post18664938)

[moossabi]

Let it never be said that Guilder misses a change to make fun of someone.

The first satirical paper every written in Telluris. (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?326407-EMPIRE!-A-World-Building-Game-of-People-amp-Discovery&p=18664938#post18664938)

That is the best post I have ever read.

The goats part made my cat wake up and start howling (or was that before the storm of laughter?).

[HalfTangible]

Let it never be said that Guilder misses a change to make fun of someone.

The first satirical paper ever written in Telluris. (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?326407-EMPIRE!-A-World-Building-Game-of-People-amp-Discovery&p=18664938#post18664938)

This is by far the funniest thing I've read since joining this game.

Though I may publish Marvella and Wesley 's personal correspondence later as part of a tabloid piece :smalltongue:

[Reggiejam]

Let it never be said that Guilder misses a change to make fun of someone.

The first satirical paper ever written in Telluris. (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?326407-EMPIRE!-A-World-Building-Game-of-People-amp-Discovery&p=18664938#post18664938)

The Queen of Kyria, should her request for a Quorum Trial be met and she herself found guilty of breaching the Pax Varinel would like to nominate the Modest Assertion Newspaper take over administration of the Heartwaste Holds to aid them in their beginning of a quest for world domination because everyone knows controlling the Heartwaste is key to any war :smalltongue: No not really. It was pretty funny though.

[BladeofObliviom]

Let it never be said that Guilder misses a change to make fun of someone.

The first satirical paper ever written in Telluris. (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?326407-EMPIRE!-A-World-Building-Game-of-People-amp-Discovery&p=18664938#post18664938)

Oh wow, that's great. I needed a bit of levity.

(I particularly enjoy the writers' pen names.)

[SamBurke]

The Queen of Kyria, should her request for a Quorum Trial be met and she herself found guilty of breaching the Pax Varinel would like to nominate the Modest Assertion Newspaper take over administration of the Heartwaste Holds to aid them in their beginning of a quest for world domination because everyone knows controlling the Heartwaste is key to any war :smalltongue: No not really. It was pretty funny though. If nominated, they would definitely attend. :smallwink:

Do not expect them to have *any* respect for the proceedings though...

To be honest if the editors of Modest survived treating with an international power, I would be surprised.


That is the best post I have ever read.

The goats part made my cat wake up and start howling (or was that before the storm of laughter?). I was looking for an easy joke to start the set off, and I thought, why not include the true deity of Telluris?


This is by far the funniest thing I've read since joining this game.

Though I may publish Marvella and Wesley 's personal correspondence later as part of a tabloid piece :smalltongue:Oh man... the gossip rags would have a field day with that. And a field week.

Maybe even a field month.


Oh wow, that's great. I needed a bit of levity.

(I particularly enjoy the writers' pen names.)
Mmmmmarius will be a regular writer. :smallwink:

I'm still waiting to see if Ashenia likes it. If it can make an Ashenian laugh, that's when it's truly, certifiably, funny.

[Elemental]

After much discussion with Her Majesty, Kyria Varinel, I, Kellan Toranath III, hereby call a quorum of the signatories of the Pax Varinel to pass judgement regarding violations of the Pax by the aforementioned Kyria Varinel. In the interim, it is requested that no troops native to the Heartwaste be deployed in any armed conflicts until such time as this matter is resolved.
The following nations are invited to send representatives to attend a conference at the Rotan Palace, Adrakand, on Midwinter in the year 49X;
The Royal Council of Raaneka
The Glazfell Hegemony
The Kingdom of the Iron Doctrine
The Razdissi Underpire
The Holy Kingdom of Sycia
The Empire of the Silver Moon
The Kingdom of Calorum

As you can no doubt tell, I've been effectively negotiated out of invading the Heartwaste and am now holding an event at some point to determine how best to proceed there.

Edit: Remember, casting a vote is an action with potential mechanical effect so if you wish to influence the future of that region through that method you will need to spend an action on attending.

Editedit: And thread is up. (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?393243-The-Quorum-of-the-Pax-Varinel&p=18665456#post18665456) My first RP thread and accompanying opening description, so yell at me if it's bad.

Editeditedit: HalfTangible, because you already spent an action to send a diplomat to Ashenia, I'm going to assume it's alright if you roll your quorum attendance into that.

[Kitsanth]

Because this is all the rage lately:

From the pen of Grand Prince Jehan de Sebastian of House Nisakovich, this proclamation is sent to the Sovereigns of all recognised Nations

On this day my people have been called upon to honour the Niskovia-Serendel treaty of 482. We care naught for any of the half-truths and justifications thrown about by those who would attack our ally. We know only that the Sovereign territory of the Kingdom of Serendel has been violated by aggressive invaders and so we will do our duty and defend them.
The Home Guard has already set sail for Domhan Abhaile in order to liberate the Priomhcine from those who would occupy their land.

It brings me great sorrow to think that my people may be forced to fight against those who would call themselves allies of Niskovia, but I will not be swayed from this course of action as to issue a retraction would besmirch the honour of my House and the honour of my people.

signed,

Jehan de Sebastian of House Nisakovich, Grand Prince of the Sovereign Principality of Niskovia, High Prince of the Niskan people, Honourary Elder of Valeriya, Prince of Karintiya, Prince of Kaspiyskiya, High Chief of the Felcath Clans and Potentate of the Severtian people by hereditary right of conquest.

[HalfTangible]

At least we have 4 plausible options. I'm sure one of them will work.

Some other ideas:

-Kina's moon (the black one) can teleport
-Kina's moon can split apart and reform elsewhere.

@Elemental: Much obliged!

[Kasanip]

@Kasa: Does that mean that the Chivalric Republic of the United Free Cities would like to send a dignitary to attend?

Yes, I think Chivalric Republic of the United Free Cities would like to send a dignitary to attend, too. :smallsmile:


Heyyyy Kasanip: Is there any chance you can attend the Trade Event, not for trade, but so that I can make my signature for your folks a sub-action. Otherwise it's still a few rounds before I can sign onto the Hospitallers.

Sorry, I don't understand your question. :smallredface:

[SamBurke]

Some other ideas:

-Kina's moon (the black one) can teleport
-Kina's moon can split apart and reform elsewhere.

@Elemental: Much obliged!So... magic and magic? :smallwink:



Sorry, I don't understand your question. :smallredface:
Do I need to be at the same event as you to sign the treaty?

[HalfTangible]

So... magic and magic? :smallwink:

Look, even if it's magic you still have to explain it to SOME degree.

[SamBurke]

Look, even if it's magic you still have to explain it to SOME degree.

I know I know. I prefer magic being explained, but it's not like I can't poke fun too. The more humor we have, the less tension!

Also, speaking of humor... gosh darn remind me not to drink water while reading your PMs. I swear my computer keyboard can't take much more spit water and my throat can't take more choking laughter.

[ImperatorV]

@Magic Moons: Now we know why Lunakellai has been doing with all his miracles.


Let it never be said that Guilder misses a change to make fun of someone.

The first satirical paper ever written in Telluris. (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?326407-EMPIRE!-A-World-Building-Game-of-People-amp-Discovery&p=18664938#post18664938)

This is brilliant. I also have had a hilarious idea.

[Kasanip]

Do I need to be at the same event as you to sign the treaty?


I don't know answer of rule. :smallredface: Probably usual style of [sign treaty] is probably [diplomacy action].

[TheDarkDM]

It would be very handy if you were able to launch an investigation into part of the mess that is this war. If you can, investigate the parts of Tzalteclan's declaration I bolded:


Specifically, I'm hoping that an investigation will show Guilder's innocence and bring this war to a close. I'm investigating the murder of Li Huanle Jarrow and Kitsanth's going for the Lotus Murders, so if you do that, both the Imperium and Concordat's declarations will fall apart in light of the truth. I hope. Of course, there is the chance that the investigations do not succeed and we end up wasting our time.

You guys are putting a lot of stock in the assumption that "because we want to" isn't a perfectly legitimate reason to declare war. :smalltongue:

[DoomHat]

Even though it shoots me in the foot, and loses me a +1 to my ruler this round, I'm going to attend the Fishman event AND run an independent investigation into the allegations against guilder.

Khoonbish is still new to her position, so the Inquisition is not what it once was, but I'm going to have them give it a good honest try. If I don't find anything, I'll send them in again once they're actually represented by the Agents mechanic.

All that in the wake of the Insane Luck10 I'll be doing this round. Stay tuned, same Cree time, Same Cree channel!

[Elemental]

-Kina's moon (the black one) can teleport
-Kina's moon can split apart and reform elsewhere.

As soon as an Ashenite astronomer gets tired of looking at all the shiny things, I'm sure he or sure will train their telescope on the accursed thing long enough to work out some of its eldritch secrets.



You guys are putting a lot of stock in the assumption that "because we want to" isn't a perfectly legitimate reason to declare war. :smalltongue:

Well, OOC it probably is. After all, this is a game and collaborative world building thingy, so the occasional conflict helps to drive plot.
IC? Usually not. After all, tens of thousands of people would then be marching to a pointless death for a reason that from their perspective would seem UTTER INSANITY. Though, given that you are playing as Tzalteclan and they're in the running for the "Most Evil Empire of Telluris" award, I can't be one hundred percent certain on that point.



Even though it shoots me in the foot, and loses me a +1 to my ruler this round, I'm going to attend the Fishman event AND run an independent investigation into the allegations against guilder.

Fortunately, the event with the Makgrull is happening next round. I think.
On the investigation thing, that is excellent news. Hopefully, once the truth comes out this whole war thing will slow to a halt and we can get back to our peace time activities.

[TheDarkDM]

Well, OOC it probably is. After all, this is a game and collaborative world building thingy, so the occasional conflict helps to drive plot.
IC? Usually not. After all, tens of thousands of people would then be marching to a pointless death for a reason that from their perspective would seem UTTER INSANITY. Though, given that you are playing as Tzalteclan and they're in the running for the "Most Evil Empire of Telluris" award, I can't be one hundred percent certain on that point.


If that's your opinion, and I respect it, what exactly is your opinion of how people went to war before the advent of mass media? Do you think feudal lords went door to door asking the opinions of their serfs as to whether they should invade the neighboring country? I realize we strain credulity to the breaking point with how much information our characters are allowed to act on, but to imply that it takes anything more than a particularly rousing speech to move a region to war seems silly to me. What are the peasants going to do? Fact check the word of their king?

[Aedilred]

Well, OOC it probably is. After all, this is a game and collaborative world building thingy, so the occasional conflict helps to drive plot.
IC? Usually not. After all, tens of thousands of people would then be marching to a pointless death for a reason that from their perspective would seem UTTER INSANITY. Though, given that you are playing as Tzalteclan and they're in the running for the "Most Evil Empire of Telluris" award, I can't be one hundred percent certain on that point.

I guess it depends on the level of anachronism we're prepared to accept. "We want their stuff" or "we don't like them and they annoyed us one too many times, even if we imagined it" would be perfectly acceptable reasons for war for the overwhelming majority of human history, certainly pre-Westphalia. Thereafter those reasons still remained pretty much in play until the 19th/20th century even if (frequently) paper-thin justifcations were given. For most of history there hasn't been a corpus of international law, after all. The best we've had are private treaties, which are not much better than contracts that the parties themselves undertake both to judge whether they're broken and to enforce if they believe they have been.

On the other hand, if we're applying a modern standard of international behaviour, Guilder is basically a rogue state, so there's that to take into account.


Fortunately, the event with the Makgrull is happening next round. I think.
I believe it is, yes.

[TheDarkDM]

I guess it depends on the level of anachronism we're prepared to accept. "We want their stuff" or "we don't like them and they annoyed us one too many times, even if we imagined it" would be perfectly acceptable reasons for war for the overwhelming majority of human history, certainly pre-Westphalia. Thereafter those reasons still remained pretty much in play until the 19th/20th century even if (frequently) paper-thin justifcations were given. For most of history there hasn't been a corpus of international law, after all, just private treaties, which are not much better than contracts that the parties themselves undertake to enforce.

On the other hand, if we're applying a modern standard of international behaviour, Guilder is basically a rogue state, so there's that to take into account.


And really, even today international law only exists as far as you have the force to enforce it.

[Elemental]

If that's your opinion, and I respect it, what exactly is your opinion of how people went to war before the advent of mass media? Do you think feudal lords went door to door asking the opinions of their serfs as to whether they should invade the neighboring country? I realize we strain credulity to the breaking point with how much information our characters are allowed to act on, but to imply that it takes anything more than a particularly rousing speech to move a region to war seems silly to me. What are the peasants going to do? Fact check the word of their king?

I've got no problem with people running autocratic states, but that still doesn't change that fighting a war for the sole purpose of wanting to fight a war is insane.



I guess it depends on the level of anachronism we're prepared to accept. "We want their stuff" or "we don't like them and they annoyed us one too many times, even if we imagined it" would be perfectly acceptable reasons for war for the overwhelming majority of human history, certainly pre-Westphalia. Thereafter those reasons still remained pretty much in play until the 19th/20th century even if (frequently) paper-thin justifcations were given. For most of history there hasn't been a corpus of international law, after all. The best we've had are private treaties, which are not much better than contracts that the parties themselves undertake both to judge whether they're broken and to enforce if they believe they have been.

"We want their stuff" and "we don't like them and they annoyed us one too many times, even if we imagined it" aren't the same as "why not?". In the former you're fighting a war to acquire property and in the latter you're fighting a war to gain satisfaction for slights perceived or actual. Neither of those instances is fighting a war solely because you want to because you have other goals aside from fighting.
It's like attacking a person in the street, the first is a clear case of wanting to rob them and the latter is because you interpreted what they said as a grievous insult. Now if you just walked up to them and punched them for no other reason than to punch them? That would be insane.

[WaylanderX]

Let it never be said that Guilder misses a change to make fun of someone.

The first satirical paper ever written in Telluris. (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?326407-EMPIRE!-A-World-Building-Game-of-People-amp-Discovery&p=18664938#post18664938)

Rove will personally come to the office, punch the editors in the face and calmly walk out again for making fun of Ashmar's Prophet. He'll do it with a smile on his face though of course. :smallbiggrin:

Or maybe Grïend would do it instead. Hhhmmm.

Good read though! (For Prowess!)

[Lady Serpentine]

Speaking of the Makgrull, thank you all for your continued opinions. If you are going to be participating in the coming Event of the Makgrull "unveiling", please let me know and state the name of your EMPIRE so that I can add you to the list.

I'm doubtful I will be? Mostly because the Ash-Kingdom is pretty inconveniently situated to get to anywhere.


Hehe...hehehehehehe......HAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Ahem. Long Story. Very long story :P. I'll type it out when I have time, if everyone can keep OOC from IC that is.

Well, there goes my treaty... :smallfrown:


Hey guys, minor IC thing; Torre is now king, in his mid-20s, and unmarried. If anyone has an offer, feel free to PM me over Skype or GitP.

My current ruler is only a few years younger than he is, and would love to have some kind of semi-official ties, but I somehow suspect that he doesn't want anything to do with the Ash-Kingdom in general, much less its royal family. :smalltongue:

[TheWombatOfDoom]

Deeplenses should help with that. Razdis has those, I believe.

:smalleek: Holy crap, that's an awesome, and incredibly ironic idea. It would be ironic because the underground dwellers devise a way to see a moon. Talk about seeing unseen things... I really want this to happen.


It would be very handy if you were able to launch an investigation into part of the mess that is this war. If you can, investigate the parts of Tzalteclan's declaration I bolded:


Specifically, I'm hoping that an investigation will show Guilder's innocence and bring this war to a close. I'm investigating the murder of Li Huanle Jarrow and Kitsanth's going for the Lotus Murders, so if you do that, both the Imperium and Concordat's declarations will fall apart in light of the truth. I hope. Of course, there is the chance that the investigations do not succeed and we end up wasting our time.

I hope so too, but seeing as the Orcs don't really speak clearly, its likely to be difficult at best. That and the fact that they attack most people that go into their territories.



Well, OOC it probably is. After all, this is a game and collaborative world building thingy, so the occasional conflict helps to drive plot.

We have a plot?! :smalleek:

[WaylanderX]

Well, there goes my treaty... :smallfrown:

Not necesarily. Alzeroth will still send you the tributes for the agreed amount of time, unless something drastic happens. Also, unless provoked, they'll not attack. After that, talking can of course happen if you're up for it. :smallbiggrin:
But yes, they are rather pissed at you at the moment.

If you want to RP something else later on though, that can be arranged.


We have a plot?! :smalleek:

DUN DUN DUUUUNNNN

[lt_murgen]

Though now that I look at it closely, the moons might well match up to the setting's major Goddesses. Silver Lady (who may or may not be the same as Bordeux's lady, I forget) would be the big bright silver moon, Yphine would be the visibly blue smaller moon, and Kina would be the shifty one who hides in the dark but gravitationally affects things from out of sight. :smallwink:

-I might just make that Canon.



Even though it shoots me in the foot, and loses me a +1 to my ruler this round, I'm going to attend the Fishman event AND run an independent investigation into the allegations against guilder.


Gengy's event is next round, I think>


Because this is all the rage lately:

**SNIP**

Not to be a pest, but how are you going to get over to region 19 when the canal is blocked by Dreadlove's Pirate fleet?


-OH, and there is a senator from the triumvirate who publishes a paper out of the Jeweled Cities that would like to talk to the "Modest Assertion" folks about syndication....

[Lord_Burch]

Not to be a pest, but how are you going to get over to region 19 when the canal is blocked by Dreadlove's Pirate fleet?


Walking? As far as I'm aware, there's no rule saying you have to take ships everywhere. Even if you do, I'm pretty sure Niskovia has an extensive fleet of Zeppelins.

[Kitsanth]

Not to be a pest, but how are you going to get over to region 19 when the canal is blocked by Dreadlove's Pirate fleet?

'Sail' is used in the sense that they are travelling via airship.

edit: and the Home Guard recently gained a surplus of airships

[Gengy]

Even though it shoots me in the foot, and loses me a +1 to my ruler this round, I'm going to attend the Fishman event AND run an independent investigation into the allegations against guilder.Fortunately, the event with the Makgrull is happening next round. I think.I believe it is, yes.

It totally is. You can't have a Centennial Gala during years that there isn't a turning of a century! That's just bad planning, and terrible, horrible, bad taste. Tacky, in fact.

On an unrelated related note, DoomHat, check your PM box, please? I sent a request your way, and am hoping for a positive response. But I'll settle for a response :smallbiggrin:

Regarding Attendance

I'm doubtful I will be? Mostly because the Ash-Kingdom is pretty inconveniently situated to get to anywhere.

I am sure if you asked nicely, there are plenty of personages whom might politely provide a proper passage! This is, after all, the one and only Seaborne Confederation-hosted Centennial Gala. Everyone whom is anyone will be there :smalltongue:

Mechanically speaking, however, it is my understanding that attending Events are free until a player actually uses a sub-action to complete a trade or a deal of some type. So just sending a minor dignitary, with no real power, but who could report back to your (anyone's) Empire? Totally doable, I believe.

Might actually be funny, if done right.


Docent Jimmy, husband to the daughter of the second cousin of the second son of High Lord Example, King of All As It Should Be, was really out of place here. Looking around, there were Knights of the Chilvaric Republic, a delegation from New Crima, and even a pair of Dunfel! And that was just the shores alone!

Docent Jimmy just stared, slack jawed, and tried to remember everything. If he didn't, High Lord Example would be displeased. Or worse. Jimmy's wife would be displeased.

Echum. Sorry. The writer in me took hold for a few sentences. Echum. So. @Everyone. If you don't feel as though, in character, your country would send even a minor dignitary... don't send anyone. My feelings will not be hurt. If, however, you want to attend, please let me know! I've made my List (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showsinglepost.php?p=18657031&postcount=33), and I'll be checking it more than twice. Gonna find out who's naughty or nice.

Sanctus Makgrull is coming... to town!


Also, I'm having suspicions second thoughts about attending the event. Sorry 'bout that.

If there is a hidden agenda, it is entirely my own, and no one else has agreed to anything besides such things as (very literally) "being host", "being an in-game proxy for sending messages", or "showing up". I have some PM proposals out, regarding getting some artwork for the event, and trying to get more people to say they will attend. Beyond that? Not a lot. I'm being as up front as I can be about this. Out of character knowledge? I just want to create an event that, on the surface, looks like it'll be a fun event hosted by (thank lt_murgen) the Sea of Glass region 130. Under the surface (catching the jokes yet, folks?), it's the grand entrance and reveal of the Makgrull.

It would be pretty stupid of me to do anything negative at my own unveiling. You are, of course, welcome to your own suspicions. I note that, while you said you were having second thoughts, you did not actually say that you wouldn't be attending :smallamused:

[Aedilred]

There is a fairly straightforward land route in any case which might be quicker and safer than going by sea even if the canal were open. There's a bit of a dog-leg at the other end to avoid going through Faedas but it's still probably a shorter distance as the crow flies.

[SamBurke]

I don't know answer of rule. :smallredface: Probably usual style of [sign treaty] is probably [diplomacy action].Ok. That'll work then.


If that's your opinion, and I respect it, what exactly is your opinion of how people went to war before the advent of mass media? Do you think feudal lords went door to door asking the opinions of their serfs as to whether they should invade the neighboring country? I realize we strain credulity to the breaking point with how much information our characters are allowed to act on, but to imply that it takes anything more than a particularly rousing speech to move a region to war seems silly to me. What are the peasants going to do? Fact check the word of their king?
It was a little thing called "They suck we hate them", I believe.



On the other hand, if we're applying a modern standard of international behaviour, Guilder is basically a rogue state, so there's that to take into account.

I believe it is, yes.Wait wait... how did Guilder get rogue status? That's like Iran or North Korea... That vast majority of the badstuff that has happened has been not in my control (Events, etc), and extremist criminals at that.

[HalfTangible]

As a warning, I'm going to be on the road all day today, so my responses will be slow and minimal (I can only do so much on my phone, after all)

[Aedilred]

Ok. That'll work then.


It was a little thing called "They suck we hate them", I believe.

Wait wait... how did Guilder get rogue status? That's like Iran or North Korea... That vast majority of the badstuff that has happened has been not in my control (Events, etc), and extremist criminals at that.

Well, the reason I didn't itemise the various crimes and insults of Guilder against the Imperium in my declaration wasn't so much out of laziness as your satirists assumed but because I thought everyone was broadly familiar with the gist of them and also sick of hearing about them in detail. Both IC and OOC. But if you really insist I can do so :smalltongue:

And that's just the Imperium, leaving aside any business with anyone else entirely. Guilder really is rather unpredictable and dangerous, and in most respects it's only its powerful allies that have stopped it being properly invaded over some of its antics before, I think.

[BladeofObliviom]

There is a fairly straightforward land route in any case which might be quicker and safer than going by sea even if the canal were open. There's a bit of a dog-leg at the other end to avoid going through Faedas but it's still probably a shorter distance as the crow flies.

"Shorter distance" insofar as they'd only be traveling to the opposite side of the globe, as opposed to halfway down it, to the opposite side at the equator, and back up. :smalltongue:






Like HT, I will likely be fairly busy today, though perhaps not THAT busy.


EDIT:


My current ruler is only a few years younger than he is, and would love to have some kind of semi-official ties, but I somehow suspect that he doesn't want anything to do with the Ash-Kingdom in general, much less its royal family. :smalltongue:

Sorry, missed this. I'll say that I don't have any problems with the Ash-Kingdom myself, nor does Glazfell (I'm a close ally of the Tzaltec, ethical standards are low :smalltongue:), but I'd strongly prefer not to marry Torre to another (PC) ruler, even with a deal to not fuse the thrones and blah blah blah. He's a good enough student of history to know the chaos it caused in the successions of the Heartwaste and Sanctuary.

[SamBurke]

And that's just the Imperium, leaving aside any business with anyone else entirely. Guilder really is rather unpredictable and dangerous, and in most respects it's only its powerful allies that have stopped it being properly invaded over some of its antics before, I think.

It does have the history of being rather capricious, I suppose.

[BladeofObliviom]

It does have the history of being rather capricious, I suppose.

Sam, your head of state personally participated in a terrorist attack. Sure, she didn't survive it and didn't continue to rule afterward, but it's sort of telling.

[lt_murgen]

HEre is a new wikipedia page on our moons:

http://gitp-empire.wikia.com/wiki/Tellurian_Lunar_Theory