Unusual half-page adjustments in BRitF

[dtilque]

The usual method of allowing half-pages in a strip is to have the next strip start with a half-page and then print the two together on a single page of the book. This is done in BRitF for pages 775/6, 816/7, 895/6, 922/3, and 932/3. But there's a couple that didn't follow that format, but rather actually add small bits of new content.

Strip 839 (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0839.html) is the one where they go through the illusioned passage in the rocks and first see the pyramid. This one is handled by expanding the strip to two full pages, including an entire new panel. For those who haven't seen it yet, the new panel is placed at the bottom of the first page and is the entire width of the page. It has no dialog, but just shows the Order spreading out to search the area. It displaces three panels to the next page and the large panel with the pyramid is expanded to fill out the page. Personally, I like this one, since it shows that the pyramid is more than 4 or 5 paces from the passage, which is the impression I had before.

Strip 827 (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0827.html) has a more complex adjustment. The strip itself has an entire page of new content added after the first page, but that still leaves it with an odd half-page. The first panel of that half-page is expanded to the right somewhat. The original art of that panel is unchanged, but a new character (introduced in the new content) is now shown in the expanded part. The last panel of the half-page is expanded to a half-page splash and the panels inbetween are adjusted to fill out the page.

I don't recall this sort of adjustments in the previous books. Did I miss them or are they new to this book?

[littlebum2002]

I think it's something new he's tried, but I personally like it.

Also notice he updated the numbering system for this book! Every page actually has its own unique number now! This is in contrast to previous books, where multi-page strips all had the same page number which led to confusion.

[Porthos]

I don't recall this sort of adjustments in the previous books. Did I miss them or are they new to this book?

Sort of. Adjusting/resizing/sliding panels from one page to another has been done before. Most notably several strips during the Battle for Azure City arc. And panel content has been adjusted before as well, most notably some minor jokes re-written in the early strips of DCF.

But adding a panel (as in the case of 839) and widening a panel to show new content (as in 827) is new.

As an aside, sometimes a half panel page will stand alone, with Rich putting commentary or doodles or minor unrelated extras below it. :smallsmile:

[littlebum2002]

some minor jokes re-written in the early strips of DCF.

I did not notice this at all. I'm going to have to go re-read that book I guess.

[Porthos]

I did not notice this at all. I'm going to have to go re-read that book I guess.

When I said minor, I meant it. :smallwink: One that comes to mind was renaming mind flayer (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0031.html) in the third panel of this strip to "brain eating aberration". Couple of other things like that.

The weird, funky, borders were also changed.

[Jaxzan Proditor]

As Porthos mentioned, it page adjustments were done in W&XPs. For example, the first panel here was turned into a splash page. I think BRitF is the first time we've had an extra page inserted between pages of a preexisting comic, and none of the early changes added content, only level of detail that could be seen. To be honest, I like this, especially as it means the book has an integer number of comic pages.

[Darth Paul]

I don't physically have my book handy, but doesn't Rich describe the addition of new material within the strip during his foreword? Because this thread is not the first time I have read about it, and yet I don't know where I would have encountered the topic, other than in the book itself.

[SaintRidley]

Rich does tell us in the foreword where all the new comic content can be found for those of us who read the strip online.

[Lord Torath]

When I said minor, I meant it. :smallwink: One that comes to mind was renaming mind flayer (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0031.html) in the third panel of this strip to "brain eating aberration". Couple of other things like that."A lich is binding ghouls (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0016.html)" was shortened to "A lich's ghoul" in DCF. When asked about it, Rich said he couldn't remember why he changed it. And I can't find the post just now, either.:smallfrown:

Edit: Found it (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?263804-Dungeon-Crawlin-Fools-question-%28no-spoilers%29).

[Onyavar]

Also notice he updated the numbering system for this book! Every page actually has its own unique number now! This is in contrast to previous books, where multi-page strips all had the same page number which led to confusion.

Wait, what, confusing? I found it pretty charming to follow the numbering of the comic strip, actually - with the fifteen (instead of eight!) pages from 194-201, for example: 194, 194a, 194a, 194a, 194b, 195, 196, 197, 198, 199, 200, 200, 200, 200, 201.

Can't wait to finally get my preorder soon. :smallbiggrin: *dances*



"A lich is binding ghouls (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0016.html)" was shortened to "A lich's ghoul" in DCF. When asked about it, Rich said he couldn't remember why he changed it. And I can't find the post just now, either.:smallfrown:

Edit: Found it (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?263804-Dungeon-Crawlin-Fools-question-%28no-spoilers%29).

Huh, didn't notice this before, despite having read the books a few times. :smalleek: Good find!

[Jaxzan Proditor]

"A lich is binding ghouls (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0016.html)" was shortened to "A lich's ghoul" in DCF. When asked about it, Rich said he couldn't remember why he changed it. And I can't find the post just now, either.:smallfrown:

Edit: Found it (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?263804-Dungeon-Crawlin-Fools-question-%28no-spoilers%29).

That's interesting. I never noticed those changes, just the obvious changes in art like the borders.

[littlebum2002]

Wait, what, confusing? I found it pretty charming to follow the numbering of the comic strip, actually - with the fifteen (instead of eight!) pages from 194-201, for example: 194, 194a, 194a, 194a, 194b, 195, 196, 197, 198, 199, 200, 200, 200, 200, 201.


Hey, check out that great joke on page 200!

-What page 200?

[Darth Paul]

I was actually more confused, since in previous books, anything with a number/letter designation was a bonus strip, whereas now... I have to rely on my ever-more-unreliable memory (or the foreword) to know what is or is not original material.

[Onyavar]

Hey, check out that great joke on page 200!

-What page 200?

You could either say strip 200, page 2... or directly name the panel, like page 200, panel 26 (like people have done in the forum for ages by now, not that it's comfortable to count the panels in the first place).

Okay, if the original strip count isn't included in book 5, I already know what I might need to scribble on each page of my copy :smallfrown:. Anyway, I'm looking forward to discover it for myself.

[littlebum2002]

I was actually more confused, since in previous books, anything with a number/letter designation was a bonus strip, whereas now... I have to rely on my ever-more-unreliable memory (or the foreword) to know what is or is not original material.

At first, I agreed with you, because I used to rely on the letters to tell me where extra strips were, but I realized it's not that hard to just read the foreward, and having a book where each page doesn't have it's own number just feels....weird to me.

[Rogar Demonblud]

If the Giant was to ask my advice, I'd suggest having the bonus strips use capital letters, with lowercase for the extended pages. You know, going forward.

[Peelee]

I feel it would behoove the printed works to go back to Roman numerals, with multi-page strips denoted with laurel wreaths and bonus strips marked by the blood of the all the firstborns in the land.

[Jaxzan Proditor]

I feel it would behoove the printed works to go back to Roman numerals, with multi-page strips denoted with laurel wreaths and bonus strips marked by the blood of the all the firstborns in the land.

So, we would say, look at that great joke on strip DCCCLXXXVIII (panel II)?

[Peelee]

So, we would say, look at that great joke on strip DCCCLXXXVIII (panel II)?

Heh heh... "awwww" indeed. I prefer the joke on DCCCXC (panel VII) better, It's, like, right after.

[SirKazum]

I'm partial to the joke on strip 1110111010, panel 1011 :smalltongue:

[Darth Paul]

At first, I agreed with you, because I used to rely on the letters to tell me where extra strips were, but I realized it's not that hard to just read the foreward, and having a book where each page doesn't have it's own number just feels....weird to me.

So... still weird, since some pages share the same number and just have a different letter added to it? :smallamused:

[littlebum2002]

Well, uh...
Obviously I would have....

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