Cleric with VoP

[Madbranch]

So, my cleric took VoP. I know, I know, that's a bad idea for a cleric, but it was completely in character and it was logical continuation of his decisions so far, and that's reason enough for me.

Now, while I have downplayed plenty of my character's decisions so far, as to not be too OP compared to others, the problem appears as the other players decided to start to play more optimizing. So my character is beginning to be a bit underpowered compared to the others.

The game is mostly diplomatic.

Current build is Ranger 1 / Evangelist 8. Race is Aasimar. Highest stat is Charisma followed by Wisdom. Feats are: Voice of the Sybil, Skill focus (Diplomacy), Leadership (which was downplayed by taking Pegasus as a cohort), Sacred Vow, Vow of Poverty.

Now I'm having trouble deciding what to do next. Any suggestions?
(P.S.: Alignment is NG, so any classes that require evil or lawful are out of question.)

[Spore]

We're talking 3.5 feat here, aren't we?

You should call a good outsider (Planar Ally) and then take his allegiance by counting him as a cohort. You should roleplay impressing him. I feel several of the Angels mentioned here (http://www.d20pfsrd.com/bestiary/monster-listings/outsiders/angel) should suit you.

My plan has a flaw though. You can't technically pay the outsider nor is an angel a "NPC with class levels". But you could try at least.

[Madbranch]

I already have a cohort. Pegasus. I don't think I can have 2 cohorts, can I? Is there some feat that enables it?

[Hiro Protagonest]

We're talking 3.5 feat here, aren't we?

I sincerely hope so. If he can keep his holy symbol the 3.5 one isn't terrible. Pathfinder version... :smallyuk:

[Madbranch]

Yes, the feat I took was 3.5 version.

[Ravens_cry]

RAW, you're hosed, as you technically can't keep your holy symbol, but I would most certainly allow you a wooden one, because it is most certainly thematic, especially if you go cloistered cleric.

[Madbranch]

I've already discussed it with GM, and he has allowed me to keep a holy symbol. (Although only 1, not all 30 I had. :D)

[eggynack]

What's your list of exalted feats look like? If you don't have it, I'd advise picking up words of creation. The big benefit there is free extension on conjuration (creation) spells, which is a decent list, with the secondary benefit being a +1 to caster level on good spells with a verbal component. It's not a particularly good set of effects for a feat, but it's a very good set of effects for an exalted feat. If you haven't already, I would also advise gaining some real familiarity from the list of sanctified spells, which are spread across both the BoED and champions of valor. You can cast them spontaneously, and that ability can be significantly more useful than spontaneous curing, granting access to everything from buffs to minionmancy to blasting to divination.

[j_spencer93]

apostale (apostate? idr) of peace is a recommendation

[Spore]

I already have a cohort. Pegasus. I don't think I can have 2 cohorts, can I? Is there some feat that enables it?

I am unsure. But you can let a cohort go in exchange for a more capable one. I think a good cleric certainly doesn't want to be responsible for a dead unicorn because the task at hand is too dangerous for the creature and an Movanic Deva is more suited for the job.

It's a simple situation of "I appreciate your help but I think this angel doesn't get oneshot by the Lich we will be facing soon."

[ZamielVanWeber]

apostale (apostate? idr) of peace is a recommendation

Apostle of Peace. Apostate of Peace roughly means renouncer of peace. AoP is also not a good PrC for a cleric. You lose out on a lot of spell diversity for a calming touch.

[Jack_Simth]

So, my cleric took VoP. I know, I know, that's a bad idea for a cleric, but it was completely in character and it was logical continuation of his decisions so far, and that's reason enough for me.Eh, Cleric is one of the classes that can survive it. You do have that Pathfinder trait that lets you use a birthmark as a holy symbol, right? If not, you may want to look into the retraining rules (http://www.d20pfsrd.com/basics-ability-scores/more-character-options/retraining). Likewise, maybe replace that Ranger level with a Sorcerer (http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/core-classes/sorcerer), Magus (http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/base-classes/magus), or Witch (http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/base-classes/witch) level, so you can nab Blood Money (http://www.d20pfsrd.com/magic/all-spells/b/blood-money) to pay for spells you'll regularly be expected to cast, such as Restoration and Raise Dead. Witch is particularly apropos, as you can nab the Healing Hex (http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/base-classes/witch/hexes/common-hexes/hex-healing-su) at 1st level and give a quick Cure Light Wounds to everyone you run across.

[j_spencer93]

Apostle of Peace. Apostate of Peace roughly means renouncer of peace. AoP is also not a good PrC for a cleric. You lose out on a lot of spell diversity for a calming touch.

i was just referring to the fact, in 3.5, it seemingly allow defensive magic items. Only because a having a class that breaks its prerequisites wouldn't even work, so that first ability is supposed to be an exception to the vow, however its not stated so DM call.

[Madbranch]

Ok, thanks y'all. Will try to get a different cohort, if possible. And as a next feat I'll take Words of Creation.

Now for the next class I was thinking of taking 3.5 class Aasimar Paragon. It continues my spellcasting, on 3rd level I get cha/wis bonus. Any other suggestions? I do not intend to take AoP.

[Spore]

Ok, thanks y'all. Will try to get a different cohort, if possible. And as a next feat I'll take Words of Creation.

Now for the next class I was thinking of taking 3.5 class Aasimar Paragon. It continues my spellcasting, on 3rd level I get cha/wis bonus. Any other suggestions? I do not intend to take AoP.

Keep in mind that you loose Bardic Performance progression. Maybe switching the Cleric archetype over to Ecclesitheurge might be viable.