Dragonwrought Kobold - Disguising as a humanoid?

[Gwazi Magnum]

Looking though Dragonwrought Kobold I was considering a enchanting/disguise build.

But apparently its dragon type cuts it off from alter self as a human. While Polymorph is insanely limited in duration.

So I'm wondering if there is a way to let him consistently disguise as an adult humanoid.

[Troacctid]

Disguising yourself as a different race imposes only a -2 penalty on the Disguise check. It's really only height that you have to worry about, and that's not a problem if you're disguising yourself as a Halfling or Gnome or other small-sized race.

[Crake]

The disguise self spell has the same duration as alter self, but doesn't care about type

[Gwazi Magnum]

True.

Though there's still the height issue cutting me off from many options.

There's also the matter the issue of it being a practical disguise. Not a real one.

[Troacctid]

So alter self yourself up a size category. Badabing badaboom.

[Gwazi Magnum]

Like I said in the OP that's not the issue with alter self. The issue is the type being dragon prevents it from using the spell into being a humanoid.

[oldkingkoal]

There is a level 2 spell called Reflective disguise with the same duration. Makes it so you appear as the same species and gender as the one observing you.

[oldkingkoal]

Could also just alter self into a half dragon of a medium race?

[Invader]

Like I said in the OP that's not the issue with alter self. The issue is the type being dragon prevents it from using the spell into being a humanoid.

Alter self into a medium sized half dragon/human

Ooh beat me to it :smallsmile:

[Troacctid]

Could also just alter self into a half dragon of a medium race?

No, because you can't get a template with alter self. But there are presumably other forms that would work.

[WhamBamSam]

No, because you can't get a template with alter self. But there are presumably other forms that would work.Bozzak Draconian (DCS) is a good one. It's roughly humanoid in size and shape (potentially good enough for disguise self at any rate), and it's the highest natural armor dragon form for Alter Self at +8.

Other options no one seems to have mentioned yet...

If you can get your DM to go along with Dragonwrought Kobolds being True Dragons, then the Alternate Form feat in Dragons of Eberron will let you wander around in human form indefinitely. So long as you aren't using it alongside Half-Dragon form and are just using it for its intended purpose (disguising a dragon so as not to draw attention in humanoid settlements) it seems like a reasonable thing to allow.

If your DM doesn't like that, you could potentially take Assume Supernatural Ability (Steel Wyrmling's Alternate Form). Then, whenever you want to pose as a human, Alter Self into a Steel Wyrmling and Alternate Form into a human from there.

[Deophaun]

Play a Dragonfire Adept, take Humanoid Shape at level 6?

[Flickerdart]

Kobolds are humanoid, just paint over your shiny dragon scales.

[Gwazi Magnum]

Wrymling could work. Though that make me be casting the spell twice? Or is the second time a racial power?

The feat might work too though.

[Gwazi Magnum]

Kobolds are humanoid

Not Dragonwrought.

[WhamBamSam]

Wrymling could work. Though that make me be casting the spell twice? Or is the second time a racial power?

The feat might work too though.The second time would be the Steel Dragon's racial Alternate Form acquired through Assume Supernatural Ability.

[Gwazi Magnum]

The second time would be the Steel Dragon's racial Alternate Form acquired through Assume Supernatural Ability.

Sweet. I guess I'll just use that then! :)
Thanks.

[Flickerdart]

Not Dragonwrought.
Well duh. But disguising yourself as a non dragonwrought kobold isn't exactly hard.

[atemu1234]

Well duh. But disguising yourself as a non dragonwrought kobold isn't exactly hard.

Namely, some orange-brown paint for your shiny scales.

[Zaq]

Kobolds are humanoid, just paint over your shiny dragon scales.


Not Dragonwrought.

And here we learn the difference between humanoid and Humanoid.

(This is why Legend uses brackets for game terms. The distinction between humanoid and Humanoid is a lot less obvious than the distinction between humanoid and [Humanoid].)

[TheTeaMustFlow]

There's an Egoist ACF that trades your 1st level bonus feat for the changeling's minor change shape ability.

EDIT: minor change shape emulates disguise self, which doesn't specify type but says `you cannot change your body type`. Is there actually a definition for what body type means in RAW?

[Gwazi Magnum]

I don't think you guys are understanding.

I wasn't asking about turning into another Kobold, I was talking about turning into races such as human, orc, elf etc.