Opinions on a gestalt Sorcerer//Binder

[Bad Wolf]

Would this be a good idea? It seems good on the surface, both are mainly CHA-based. But they don't have a good number of skill points...is it an okay build?

[sideswipe]

its actually quite good.

med BAB, 2 good saves, full casting (delay 1 level), cha synergy.

skill points only matter if you want them. else just take whats needed. your binder stuff gives lots of skill buffs.

since binders stuff is all long term buffs and 1/5 rounds abilities it works really well with sorcerer or any cha based caster class.

you are also not tripping over yourself with action economy.

yes there is better but its a solid combination.

i would concentrate feats on getting into mage of the arcane order and getting a custom runestaff as an ancestral relic. the rest of your feats into binding.

[Bad Wolf]

its actually quite good.

med BAB, 2 good saves, full casting (delay 1 level), cha synergy.

skill points only matter if you want them. else just take whats needed. your binder stuff gives lots of skill buffs.

since binders stuff is all long term buffs and 1/5 rounds abilities it works really well with sorcerer or any cha based caster class.

you are also not tripping over yourself with action economy.

yes there is better but its a solid combination.

i would concentrate feats on getting into mage of the arcane order and getting a custom runestaff as an ancestral relic. the rest of your feats into binding.

Thanks for the advice. Unfortunately I'm not of good alignment, but maybe later in the campaign. What exactly will ancestral relic do for runestaves? Doesn't seem like it can't do anything...

[Troacctid]

Thanks for the advice. Unfortunately I'm not of good alignment, but maybe later in the campaign. What exactly will ancestral relic do for runestaves? Doesn't seem like it can't do anything...

Ancestral Relic allows you to upgrade your ancestral item by sacrificing items to make up the difference in value. What's important, though, is that you get the full value of the item--the "buy price" rather than the "sell price". So any vendor trash that you were going to sell for half price can instead be used to upgrade your runestaff at full value.

It still costs money, but it effectively increases your spells known, and it does so for a reasonable price. Unlike normal crafting feats, you don't need to spend xp, and you don't need to know the prerequisite spells; you can just add whatever spells you want to the runestaff.

[Bad Wolf]

Ancestral Relic allows you to upgrade your ancestral item by sacrificing items to make up the difference in value. What's important, though, is that you get the full value of the item--the "buy price" rather than the "sell price". So any vendor trash that you were going to sell for half price can instead be used to upgrade your runestaff at full value.

It still costs money, but it effectively increases your spells known, and it does so for a reasonable price. Unlike normal crafting feats, you don't need to spend xp, and you don't need to know the prerequisite spells; you can just add whatever spells you want to the runestaff.

Huh. That's pretty damn useful.

Okay, so what are good vestiges to bind?

[torrasque666]

Ancestral Relic allows you to upgrade your ancestral item by sacrificing items to make up the difference in value. What's important, though, is that you get the full value of the item--the "buy price" rather than the "sell price". So any vendor trash that you were going to sell for half price can instead be used to upgrade your runestaff at full value.

It still costs money, but it effectively increases your spells known, and it does so for a reasonable price. Unlike normal crafting feats, you don't need to spend xp, and you don't need to know the prerequisite spells; you can just add whatever spells you want to the runestaff.

Can a runestaff be of masterwork quality? Isn't that something inherent only to weapons, armor, and tools?

[Troacctid]

Can a runestaff be of masterwork quality? Isn't that something inherent only to weapons, armor, and tools?

They can, but they don't have to be. Relevant passage:


Masterwork items are extraordinarily well-made items. They are more expensive, but they benefit the user with improved quality. They are not magical in any way. However, only masterwork items may be enhanced to become magic armor and weapons. (Items that are not weapons or armor may or may not be masterwork items.)

Runestaffs are also considered tools, FYI. (They appear in the "Tools" chapter of the Magic Item Compendium.)


Okay, so what are good vestiges to bind?

Here's a list of vestiges sorted by level, with all the relevant information. (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?358392-The-new-quick-vestige-list) It should prove helpful.

[defiantdan]

It really depends on what your prestige classes are. if you grab metaphysical spellshaper or Tainted Sorcerer Binder becomes one of the best things you can gestalt with. Those PrC's give you the ability to sack your attributes to fuel metamagic. Naberius a first level bind allows you recoup the loss at 1 ability point per round.