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JellyPooga
2007-04-08, 09:03 PM
What's the lowest level requirement for a prestige class that you know of?

IIRC Bloodhound (CompAdv) you can get in at level 5 and Master of Shrouds (Libris Mortis) you can get at level 4.

Can anyone clarify these or know of a lower one?

Bears With Lasers
2007-04-08, 09:05 PM
You can jump into racial paragon classes as your first level, they sort of count.
Stoneblessed is intentionally enterable as early as 2 or 3, I think.

Arbitrarity
2007-04-08, 09:11 PM
With obscence cheese, you can get a level of mystic theurge at level 4.

That's all I can think of for now :(

Galathir
2007-04-08, 09:14 PM
I believe that you can enter "Master Specialist" from Complete Mage at level four with no cheese.

Thexare Blademoon
2007-04-08, 09:14 PM
With obscence cheese, you can get a level of mystic theurge at level 4.
Ok, I'm curious here - how the heck do you manage that?

Kultrum
2007-04-08, 09:17 PM
well if your first level is commoner you can take surviver (savage species) at level 2

JellyPooga
2007-04-08, 09:17 PM
Ok, I'm curious here - how the heck do you manage that?

yeah, me too

Arbitrarity
2007-04-08, 09:17 PM
Either use the debateable arcane prodigy from CArc, (gives a 2nd level arcane slot)

Or use this... Actually, 3rd level, nice.



Take the Illumian race from Races of Destiny, choose the krau sigil as one of your racial abilities.

Start off with this Cleric 1/Wizard 1

now for feats at first level take the Improved Power Sigil Krau feat (also in Races of Destiny) this feat allows you to choose any 2 spells and from that point on they are cast at 1 spell level higher than their actual level. You can change the spells selected at anytime you gain new spells. So when you gain that wizard level choose 1 of the arcane spells along with 1 of your divine spells. Now you can cast 2nd level arcane and divine spells.

Kultrum
2007-04-08, 09:19 PM
I believe that you can enter "Master Specialist" from Complete Mage at level four with no cheese.

yes you can, the highest level dependent part is: can cast lvl 2 arcane spells

Emperor Tippy
2007-04-08, 09:22 PM
yes you can, the highest level dependent part is: can cast lvl 2 arcane spells
As shown in the post above you, that can be done at level 1.

Kultrum
2007-04-08, 09:23 PM
As shown in the post above you, that can be done at level 1.

at that point you can do it at level 3

Emperor Tippy
2007-04-08, 09:26 PM
Second level spells can be gotten at level 1. So depending on other restrictions you can get in at level 2.

Arbitrarity
2007-04-08, 09:28 PM
No wait, i was thinking ultimate magus :/.

Spell focus can be taken at lv 1. (doh, stupid today :()

Kultrum
2007-04-08, 09:28 PM
Second level spells can be gotten at level 1. So depending on other restrictions you can get in at level 2.

actually you need to be lvl 4 even if you take the feat that lets you get the 2nd level spells you have to be an Illumian. to qualify for the class you need spell focus (chosen school)

JaronK
2007-04-08, 09:30 PM
Mystic Theurge at level 3: Start as a human, and take one flaw. Take the feats Heighten Spell, Earth Spell, and Earth Sense at level 1. Be any arcane class at level 1, and any divine class at level 2 (or the other way around). Enter MT at level 3, since you can now cast both divine and arcane spells of level 2.

If you really want to be crazy, you can do it at level 2, though it's quite silly. Take a second flaw, and then take the Southern Magician feat, which allows you to cast arcane spells as divine spells. Take any arcane casting class as your first level, and take MT at level 2. Totally legal, but you don't advance any divine spellcasting as a MT, because you don't actually have any divine class.

Still, it's possible.

JaronK

Kultrum
2007-04-08, 09:30 PM
No wait, i was thinking ultamite magus :/.

Spell focus can be taken at lv 1.

i think you thinking of ultimate magus, which if thats the case then its the same as mystic therige

Edit: you fixed it before i could correct you

joe
2007-04-08, 09:32 PM
You can get Talon of Tiamat with only 4 levels of Hexblade... figured I'd add that in, though this was discovered by a colleague of mine.

Emperor Tippy
2007-04-08, 09:56 PM
actually you need to be lvl 4 even if you take the feat that lets you get the 2nd level spells you have to be an Illumian. to qualify for the class you need spell focus (chosen school)
Well if flaws are being allowed you can still take it at level 2, otherwise it is level 4.

Unless Arcane Prodigy works, in which case you could do it at level 2.

TheDarkOne
2007-04-08, 10:00 PM
Church Inquisitor can be entered at 4th level by a standard cleric. Even earlier if you use get a way to cast zone of truth before 3rd level.

brian c
2007-04-08, 10:01 PM
well if your first level is commoner you can take surviver (savage species) at level 2

Heh, thats kinda cheap. You can get +2 to all saves, d6 hitdie, and can't be flatfooted for just one level; second level is another 1 to all saves and evasion. For any PC class, the High save is below Character Level from 5 on.

Jack Mann
2007-04-08, 10:04 PM
You have to have five ranks in spellcraft and knowledge (arcana) to ender Master Specialist.

Emperor Tippy
2007-04-08, 10:06 PM
You have to have five ranks in spellcraft and knowledge (arcana) to ender Master Specialist.
So the minimum level to enter it is 3.

tsuyoshikentsu
2007-04-08, 10:41 PM
The fastest entry, assuming racial paragons are a base class, is the previously-mentioned Commoner 1 --> Survivor.

However, one that really surprises me by not appearing here is Master of Shrouds. Cleric 2/High Will Save Class 1 gets you in at level 4, and in a quite powerful position as well.

Emperor Tippy
2007-04-08, 10:43 PM
Are there any prestige calsses that have their highest skill requirment as 4 or less?

Bagera
2007-04-08, 11:08 PM
You can get into warshifter after level 4 as a Shifter with a full BaB class.

brian c
2007-04-08, 11:19 PM
You can get into warshifter after level 4 as a Shifter with a full BaB class.

Warshaper is pretty easy to get into, you only need +4 BAB and some sort of shifting; I don't remember if doppelgangers have a LA but their ability counts for the prereq too.

Roland St. Jude
2007-04-08, 11:29 PM
Various Stoneblessed PrC's you can get into at 2nd. Celebrant of Sharess and the halfling Jobber, you can get into at 4th.

Lolth
2007-04-09, 12:11 AM
What book is Master Specialist, or what does it do (in brief)?

Gralamin
2007-04-09, 12:12 AM
What book is Master Specialist, or what does it do (in brief)?

It is in Complete Mage.

In brief, it grants you special abilities depending on what school you specialized in as a wizard.

Dhavaer
2007-04-09, 12:14 AM
What book is Master Specialist, or what does it do (in brief)?

Complete Mage, makes the spells from your chosen school more effective.

AtomicKitKat
2007-04-09, 11:39 AM
Any class where the hardest requirement is a certain level of saves. Any that has skill point requirements tends to be "hardcoded", as does any that requires full BAB(those that require less can usually be entered via combination classes rather than a combination of classes.)

Closet_Skeleton
2007-04-09, 12:13 PM
Are there any prestige calsses that have their highest skill requirment as 4 or less?

Yes but they all have high Base Attack Prerequisites. Rank 5 or no ranks is more common though.

TheDarkOne
2007-04-09, 02:09 PM
Yes but they all have high Base Attack Prerequisites. Rank 5 or no ranks is more common though.

That's not true. The class that I mentioned, Church Inquistor, has the following pre-reqs

Alignment: LG or LN
Base Save: will +3
Skills: 4 ranks in each of Know(Religion), Know(Arcana), and Spellcraft
Spells:Able to cast Zone of Truth as a divine spell
Special: You have to be a member of a church that has inquisitors

brian c
2007-04-09, 02:24 PM
That's not true. The class that I mentioned, Church Inquistor, has the following pre-reqs

Alignment: LG or LN
Base Save: will +3
Skills: 4 ranks in each of Know(Religion), Know(Arcana), and Spellcraft
Spells:Able to cast Zone of Truth as a divine spell
Special: You have to be a member of a church that has inquisitors

The 3.0 version in Defenders of the Faith had requirements of 8 ranks Know(religion) and Spellcraft, and to cast dispel magic; the 3.5 version I think works better, and as an added bonus you can attain it earlier.

At any rate Zone of Truth is a 2nd level spell, so that (and will save +3) are picked up by clerics at level 3, so the first level you can take in the PrC is 4.

Zincorium
2007-04-09, 04:50 PM
Mystic Theurge at level 3: Start as a human, and take one flaw. Take the feats Heighten Spell, Earth Spell, and Earth Sense at level 1. Be any arcane class at level 1, and any divine class at level 2 (or the other way around). Enter MT at level 3, since you can now cast both divine and arcane spells of level 2.

If you really want to be crazy, you can do it at level 2, though it's quite silly. Take a second flaw, and then take the Southern Magician feat, which allows you to cast arcane spells as divine spells. Take any arcane casting class as your first level, and take MT at level 2. Totally legal, but you don't advance any divine spellcasting as a MT, because you don't actually have any divine class.

Still, it's possible.

JaronK

Actually, that last one would be better for Geomancer. Similar prerequisites, but only single progression. The skills will be easy to do at level 3. Granted, it's not a good class, even entering early, but it is an option. Still, take any class that lets you ignore ASF and you're free to wear whatever armor you want.

bosssmiley
2007-04-09, 04:56 PM
You can jump into racial paragon classes as your first level, they sort of count.
Stoneblessed is intentionally enterable as early as 2 or 3, I think.

Ditto the 'elf friend' equivalent from RotW (Rauhair or whatever it's called). 3 level "me so elvish" PrC designed to be enterable at 3rd level. Let's you be Aragorn *and* start a proper PrC around the same time your buddies do.

Amiria
2007-04-09, 05:53 PM
Ditto the 'elf friend' equivalent from RotW (Rauhair or whatever it's called). 3 level "me so elvish" PrC designed to be enterable at 3rd level. Let's you be Aragorn *and* start a proper PrC around the same time your buddies do.

Ruathar ! Designed to be enterable at 3rd level ? How ?

ENTRY REQUIREMENTS:
Base Attack Bonus: +6, OR
Skills: Any Skill 9 ranks, OR
Spells: Ability to cast 3rd-level spells. (http://realmshelps.dandello.net/cgi-bin/prestige2.pl?Ruathar)

Roland St. Jude
2007-04-09, 06:02 PM
I don't think it is.

It requires a +6 BAB or 9 ranks in a skill or able to cast 3rd level spells, so that's like 5th or 6th. 5th I guess, for the spellcasters and 6th for others.

Amiria
2007-04-09, 06:09 PM
My post was meant to be a rhetorical question ... :smallsmile:

Ikkitosen
2007-04-09, 06:17 PM
Are there any prestige calsses that have their highest skill requirment as 4 or less?

Mindbender from CA. Caster Level 5 required though.

Emperor Tippy
2007-04-09, 06:18 PM
I don't think it is.

It requires a +6 BAB or 9 ranks in a skill or able to cast 3rd level spells, so that's like 5th or 6th. 5th I guess, for the spellcasters and 6th for others.
Fourth actually. With the Illumian trick you can get 3rd level spells at level 3.

Roland St. Jude
2007-04-09, 06:29 PM
Fourth actually. With the Illumian trick you can get 3rd level spells at level 3.

Fair enough, although they were discussing what level it was "designed to be enterable at." :smallwink: My guess is 1) the class predates the "trick" and 2) I'm guessing they didn't plan/design for the trick.

Emperor Tippy
2007-04-09, 06:36 PM
Fair enough, although they were discussing what level it was "designed to be enterable at." :smallwink: My guess is 1) the class predates the "trick" and 2) I'm guessing they didn't plan/design for the trick.
Most likely true.

bosssmiley
2007-04-09, 07:28 PM
Ruathar ! Designed to be enterable at 3rd level ? How ?

ENTRY REQUIREMENTS:
Base Attack Bonus: +6, OR
Skills: Any Skill 9 ranks, OR
Spells: Ability to cast 3rd-level spells. (http://realmshelps.dandello.net/cgi-bin/prestige2.pl?Ruathar)

Oooh, eggbarressment! :smallredface: :smalleek:

Coulda sworn the Ruathar was a direct equivalent of the RoS Stoneblessed.

I got served (hopefully as an omelette), but now have another reason to dislike RotW ("Making me look dumb on the forum, sneaky d*mn book!" :smallbiggrin: ).

Stevenson
2007-04-09, 07:32 PM
Wild mage can be entered at level 2. Love those things.

The_Snark
2007-04-09, 09:08 PM
Wild mage can be entered at level 2. Love those things.

Almost. It requires Spellcraft 8 ranks. That's the only thing preventing that.

Emperor Tippy
2007-04-09, 09:09 PM
And spell craft 8 ranks requires level 5.

togapika
2007-04-09, 09:16 PM
Forsaker...
Level 2 with a human
Also level 2 with any other +0 LA race and 1 flaw

Nebo_
2007-04-09, 09:19 PM
IIRC, with the Militia feat and Illumian cheese you can take eldritch knight at level 2.

h2doh
2007-04-09, 11:25 PM
I think you can get into Anima mage by level 3