Stacking Claw Attacks

[Catarang]

I'm currently building a Barbarian 2/Bloodrager 4 for a campaign with some friends and have run across the Crossblooded (http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/core-classes/sorcerer/archetypes/paizo---sorcerer-archetypes/crossblooded) archetype, and am planning to grab Abyssal (http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/hybrid-classes/bloodrager/paizo---bloodrager-bloodlines/abyssal)/Draconic (http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/hybrid-classes/bloodrager/paizo---bloodrager-bloodlines/draconic). I fielded the question to the group and one player said he didn't think that the logic of having 4 claws at a time worked. we talked it over some more and decided that another problem was that both say "These claws are treated as natural weapons, allowing you to make two claw attacks as a full attack, using your full base attack bonus." I was wondering that with the obviously ridiculous idea of your claws growing claws aside, can I add natural attacks this/any way?

[Secret Wizard]

El no worko. To get 4 claw attacks, you need a single feature that grants you 4 claw attacks... otherwise, they do not stack.

[Catarang]

El no worko. To get 4 claw attacks, you need a single feature that grants you 4 claw attacks... otherwise, they do not stack.

Cool thanks, can you link where it says so I can show my friend?

[Yanisa]

It's one of the those unwritten rules/common sense rules. It's hard to pin down, but there is a similar FAQ entry (http://paizo.com/paizo/faq/v5748nruor1fn#v5748eaic9n88) which deals with getting 2 bite attacks.


Half-Orc--Toothy: Does this alternate racial trait stack with the Razortusk feat (page 168) granting you two bite attacks?

This is one of those areas where we tried to get at the same idea multiple ways. In this case, the answer is no, unless you somehow manage to get an extra mouth. Generally speaking, natural weapons can only be used once per round each. This also applies to the Animal Fury barbarian rage power (Core Rulebook, page 32).

So for the claws the answer would be: no unless you can get an extra pair of arms.

[grarrrg]

El no worko. To get 4 claw attacks, you need a single feature that grants you 4 claw attacks... otherwise, they do not stack.

On no, you can have as many abilities as you want adding as many Claw attacks as you can get.
But you are limited to 1 attack per limb, as per the FAQ that the wonderful Yanisa has already provided.
Since you have 2 arms, you are limited to 2 Claw attacks on a Full Attack. You can use a different Claw each round, and mix up which Claw used for AoO's and such, but this is kind of utterly pointless, and you are best off with just 2 Claws.


It's one of the those unwritten rules/common sense rules. It's hard to pin down, but there is a similar FAQ entry (http://paizo.com/paizo/faq/v5748nruor1fn#v5748eaic9n88) which deals with getting 2 bite attacks.

So for the claws the answer would be: no unless you can get an extra pair of arms.

Now getting 2 Claws, a Bite/Gore, a Tail Slap, and Talons/Hooves and you're good to go *cough*Ragebred*cough*

[Necroticplague]

That FAQ mentions each natural weapon, not natural weapons of the same category. How does it stop you from growing 4 claws and attacking with them? Each claw is its own natural weapon.

And on a similar note, where does it say claws have to be on your hands? Having them grow out of, say, your feet seems perfectly vaild (like a lot of animals).

[grarrrg]

How does it stop you from growing 4 claws and attacking with them? Each claw is its own natural weapon.

The FAQ says you can't use 2 Bites with one Mouth. If you have 2 Claws on one "hand" it means you can't use both of those Claws.

Also supported by the "cannot use a Sword and a Claw with the same arm" from the Natural Attack (http://www.d20pfsrd.com/bestiary/rules-for-monsters/universal-monster-rules#TOC-Natural-Attacks) rules.


And on a similar note, where does it say claws have to be on your hands? Having them grow out of, say, your feet seems perfectly vaild (like a lot of animals).

Claws go on Hands (and/or Forelimbs on 4+ legged creatures with no hands/arms).
Talons/Hooves go on Feet (http://paizo.com/threads/rzs2l7ns&page=466?Ask-James-Jacobs-ALL-your-Questions-Here#23274) and non-forelimbs. (http://paizo.com/threads/rzs2oyuu?In-need-of-examples-of-bipedal-creatures-from#8)

And yes, the followup argument is that "those are Forum responses" and "by RAW it doesn't say Claws can't go on feet".
To which my response is "by RAW it doesn't say you can't grow the Claws out of your arse! So I attack with me arse-claws!".
We all know that arse-claws are just being stupid. Foot-claws are actually equally stupid.
Claws go on hands. Period.

[Yanisa]

And on a similar note, where does it say claws have to be on your hands? Having them grow out of, say, your feet seems perfectly vaild (like a lot of animals).

A bit late, but today I learned there is a FAQ entry (http://paizo.com/paizo/faq/v5748nruor1fo#v5748eaic9rdk) for that question too.


Claws and Talons: If I gain claw attacks, can I put those claw attacks on my feet?

If you are a bipedal creature (roughly humanoid-shaped, with two arms and two legs), your claws must go on your hands; you can not assign them to any other limb or body part.