Spikes01k
2007-04-10, 08:43 PM
Home Patch Rules: There are three main reasons for doing this.
1. There are no set rules for making/wielding a larger shield in any of the books I have or have been informed about.
2. Sword and shield wielding is a less supported fighting style than most of the others and could use a slight face lift.
3. This also slightly increases the usefulness of monkey grip and the epic feat wield over sized weapon, which are to a degree, not as powerful as they should be.
Weaponized Shields:
All shields can be made double thick like a weapons to do more damage identical to a weapon of a larger size. For all intents purposes they retain their normal AC and are treated as one size larger for weapon damage; their weight and hit points are also doubled. To use them at all you require is the monkey grip feat and implies a -2 hit when shield bashing with the shield; as you normally would with a larger weapon with the monkey grip feat. If you have the ability to wield a larger weapon with out penalty you ignore the -2 to hit when shield bashing. A shield that is built for a larger person that is weaponized is treated as being two sizes larger than normally and can not be wielded. You may increase the weapon's damage even more by adding shield spikes and armor razors as per the normal rules, but their cost and weight is doubled as well. Surprisingly this does not effect arcane spell chance failure or armor check penalty.
Larger Shield Rules:
When using a shield that was designed for someone one size larger than you is simpler than using a weapon that is one size larger. In any case, a shield that is made for some one a size larger is treated as the shield listed all intensive purposes with properties such as arcane spell chance failure, weight, armor check penalty, and weapon size, but not proficiency's. You only require to have the proficiency for the shield as it was designed to wield, the monkey grip feat (which make shield bashing have a -2 to hit) or the ability to wield a weapon one size larger with out penalty, and to pay to get the shield modified by an a proper armor smith costing 75 gold. with out this modification you can not wield the shield. Other more restrictive requirements are listed with the appropriate shield below. Thus a goliath with a heavy shield proficiency can wield a large sized heavy shield as an extreme shield with no feather requirements, or if they are proficient with a large extreme shield they may wield it as a tower shield with no feather requirements.
Larger Shields
*Bucker: Is treated as light shield for all intents and purposes.
*Light Shield: Is treated as heavy shield.
*Heavy Shield: Is treated as a Extreme Shield. On a side note with the monkey grip feat an Extreme Shield does the same damage as a weaponized heavy shield, and still treated as a weapon one size larger for all intents and purposes.
*Extreme Shields: For all intents and purposed is treated as a tower shield. You are required the ability to wield a larger weapon with no negatives, at the very least, to wield this shield. You may not bash with this shield when it is one size larger.
*Tower shield: This shield acts in every way like a tower shield, and grants an additional +1 AC, except it simply can not be wielded unless they have the feat "Greater Shield Grip" or the epic feats Wield Oversized Weapon.
Other Larger Exotic Shield
*Battle cloak, gnome: You can not properly use a battle cloak made for a different sized wearer.
*Shield, Gauntlet: You can not properly use a gauntlet shield made for a different sized wearer. However you may get a shield gauntlet made to function like a verson one sized larger. The weight and cost is doubled plus an additional 75 gold. You also require the feat "Greater Shield Grip" or the epic feat "Wield Oversized Weapon" This shield is other wise treated identically to a heavy shield. The Arcane Spell Chance Failure and Armor Check Penalty is not effected.
*Riders Shield: To wield you still require the exotic feat but is other wise treated identically to a heavy shield.
Feat
Greater Shield Grip
Requirements: Powerful Build, Strength 19, proficiency with a tower shield, or specific exotic shield, and shield specialization "tower shield" or other specific exotic shield.
Benefit: This feat allows you to wield a larger sized tower shield or specific exotic shield that can use this feat as stated above.
Special: This feat can be selected as a fighter feat. You may take this feat multiple times but the benefits do not stack. Each time you take this it must apply to a different shield.
Smaller Shield Use: A shield built for a smaller creature is not as effective as a normal shield of its same type. To use a smaller shield you need to be proficient with how it going to be used but you do not require any special modification.
*Bucker: Can not be used
*Light Shield: is identical to and used as a a buckler; you can not shield bash with this shield
*Heavy Shield: is identical to and used as a light shield
*Extreme Shields: is identical to and used as a heavy shield;
*Tower shield: is identical to and used as a extreme shield
1. There are no set rules for making/wielding a larger shield in any of the books I have or have been informed about.
2. Sword and shield wielding is a less supported fighting style than most of the others and could use a slight face lift.
3. This also slightly increases the usefulness of monkey grip and the epic feat wield over sized weapon, which are to a degree, not as powerful as they should be.
Weaponized Shields:
All shields can be made double thick like a weapons to do more damage identical to a weapon of a larger size. For all intents purposes they retain their normal AC and are treated as one size larger for weapon damage; their weight and hit points are also doubled. To use them at all you require is the monkey grip feat and implies a -2 hit when shield bashing with the shield; as you normally would with a larger weapon with the monkey grip feat. If you have the ability to wield a larger weapon with out penalty you ignore the -2 to hit when shield bashing. A shield that is built for a larger person that is weaponized is treated as being two sizes larger than normally and can not be wielded. You may increase the weapon's damage even more by adding shield spikes and armor razors as per the normal rules, but their cost and weight is doubled as well. Surprisingly this does not effect arcane spell chance failure or armor check penalty.
Larger Shield Rules:
When using a shield that was designed for someone one size larger than you is simpler than using a weapon that is one size larger. In any case, a shield that is made for some one a size larger is treated as the shield listed all intensive purposes with properties such as arcane spell chance failure, weight, armor check penalty, and weapon size, but not proficiency's. You only require to have the proficiency for the shield as it was designed to wield, the monkey grip feat (which make shield bashing have a -2 to hit) or the ability to wield a weapon one size larger with out penalty, and to pay to get the shield modified by an a proper armor smith costing 75 gold. with out this modification you can not wield the shield. Other more restrictive requirements are listed with the appropriate shield below. Thus a goliath with a heavy shield proficiency can wield a large sized heavy shield as an extreme shield with no feather requirements, or if they are proficient with a large extreme shield they may wield it as a tower shield with no feather requirements.
Larger Shields
*Bucker: Is treated as light shield for all intents and purposes.
*Light Shield: Is treated as heavy shield.
*Heavy Shield: Is treated as a Extreme Shield. On a side note with the monkey grip feat an Extreme Shield does the same damage as a weaponized heavy shield, and still treated as a weapon one size larger for all intents and purposes.
*Extreme Shields: For all intents and purposed is treated as a tower shield. You are required the ability to wield a larger weapon with no negatives, at the very least, to wield this shield. You may not bash with this shield when it is one size larger.
*Tower shield: This shield acts in every way like a tower shield, and grants an additional +1 AC, except it simply can not be wielded unless they have the feat "Greater Shield Grip" or the epic feats Wield Oversized Weapon.
Other Larger Exotic Shield
*Battle cloak, gnome: You can not properly use a battle cloak made for a different sized wearer.
*Shield, Gauntlet: You can not properly use a gauntlet shield made for a different sized wearer. However you may get a shield gauntlet made to function like a verson one sized larger. The weight and cost is doubled plus an additional 75 gold. You also require the feat "Greater Shield Grip" or the epic feat "Wield Oversized Weapon" This shield is other wise treated identically to a heavy shield. The Arcane Spell Chance Failure and Armor Check Penalty is not effected.
*Riders Shield: To wield you still require the exotic feat but is other wise treated identically to a heavy shield.
Feat
Greater Shield Grip
Requirements: Powerful Build, Strength 19, proficiency with a tower shield, or specific exotic shield, and shield specialization "tower shield" or other specific exotic shield.
Benefit: This feat allows you to wield a larger sized tower shield or specific exotic shield that can use this feat as stated above.
Special: This feat can be selected as a fighter feat. You may take this feat multiple times but the benefits do not stack. Each time you take this it must apply to a different shield.
Smaller Shield Use: A shield built for a smaller creature is not as effective as a normal shield of its same type. To use a smaller shield you need to be proficient with how it going to be used but you do not require any special modification.
*Bucker: Can not be used
*Light Shield: is identical to and used as a a buckler; you can not shield bash with this shield
*Heavy Shield: is identical to and used as a light shield
*Extreme Shields: is identical to and used as a heavy shield;
*Tower shield: is identical to and used as a extreme shield