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raistlin807
2007-04-11, 07:27 PM
Okay, here's the rundown; 4th to 5th level party consisting of 1 warforged barbarian 4 (me) 1 goblin/blue (skeleton) psychic, 1 mayenid cleric 4, 1 tiefling rouge 3/wizz 1 and a (bird person) sorcerer. This is an Eberon campaign and has a few quirks. My charachter (the loveable barbarian) has been found guilty of mass murder and will in all probability receive the death penalty. This will leave a massive hole in the party's offensive capability. Assuming they don't undertake a quest to have me resurrected, what kind of charachter would compliment this party? I was thinking a fighter/monk. Anyone got any expert opinions? Charachter builds, feats, classes, races ANYTHING. It's an Eberron campaign.

raistlin807
2007-04-11, 07:28 PM
Okay, here's the rundown; 4th to 5th level party consisting of 1 warforged barbarian 4 (me) 1 goblin/blue (skeleton) psychic, 1 mayenid cleric 4, 1 tiefling rouge 3/wizz 1 and a (bird person) sorcerer. This is an Eberon campaign and has a few quirks. My charachter (the loveable barbarian) has been found guilty of mass murder and will in all probability receive the death penalty. This will leave a massive hole in the party's offensive capability. Assuming they don't undertake a quest to have me resurrected, what kind of charachter would compliment this party? I was thinking a fighter/monk. Anyone got any expert opinions? Charachter builds, feats, classes, races ANYTHING. It's an Eberron campaign.

Bag_of_Holding
2007-04-11, 07:40 PM
Well, it seems to me that the party is more rp-optimised rather than combat-optimised. Also, the tiefling has an ECL of 5 while the warforged has 4. So next time, try a Warforged Crusader 5 (from ToB); nice tank, and will fit in nicely with the party as to giving them some opportunity to shine.

A psychic warrior might get on well with the psion; and it also is a good damage dealer/tank.

Just wondering, how do you play a skeleton blue psion? A skeleton has no intelligence/wisdom score, you know. Not very optimised for the party brain role at all, no sir.

Dausuul
2007-04-11, 07:44 PM
Okay, here's the rundown; 4th to 5th level party consisting of 1 warforged barbarian 4 (me) 1 goblin/blue (skeleton) psychic, 1 mayenid cleric 4, 1 tiefling rouge 3/wizz 1 and a (bird person) sorcerer. This is an Eberon campaign and has a few quirks. My charachter (the loveable barbarian) has been found guilty of mass murder and will in all probability receive the death penalty. This will leave a massive hole in the party's offensive capability. Assuming they don't undertake a quest to have me resurrected, what kind of charachter would compliment this party? I was thinking a fighter/monk. Anyone got any expert opinions? Charachter builds, feats, classes, races ANYTHING. It's an Eberron campaign.

Looks like your party will be a bit short on front-line melee combatants with your barbarian gone. If you want a character with fightery monkishness, without having to endure the suckitude of actually being a fighter/monk, I recommend the swordsage from Tome of Battle. More Asian-martial-arts-movie style than the monk, more damage output than the fighter, and more versatility than either of them.

Da Beast
2007-04-11, 07:48 PM
If you have Tomb of Battle than any of the three classes should be good. If not then you can always go with a druid, the ultimate frontliner.

Bag_of_Holding
2007-04-11, 07:52 PM
If you have Tomb of Battle than any of the three classes should be good. If not then you can always go with a druid, the ultimate frontliner.

If raistlin starts from ECL 5, yes Druids are a good option, but if not- Hmm, no wild shape, so tend to focus more on summoning/buffing/casting. So not much of a frontliner until then.

However, yes ToB rocks! :smallbiggrin:

Kel_Arath
2007-04-11, 08:57 PM
fighter monk would be rockin their sock(ins), id stick with that, make it something big too.

raistlin807
2007-04-11, 09:01 PM
ok, any good suggestions for a large creature?

Darkxarth
2007-04-11, 09:16 PM
Okay, here's the rundown; 4th to 5th level party consisting of 1 warforged barbarian 4 (me) 1 goblin/blue (skeleton) psychic, 1 mayenid cleric 4, 1 tiefling rouge 3/wizz 1 and a (bird person) sorcerer. This is an Eberon campaign and has a few quirks. My charachter (the loveable barbarian) has been found guilty of mass murder and will in all probability receive the death penalty. This will leave a massive hole in the party's offensive capability. Assuming they don't undertake a quest to have me resurrected, what kind of charachter would compliment this party? I was thinking a fighter/monk. Anyone got any expert opinions? Charachter builds, feats, classes, races ANYTHING. It's an Eberron campaign.

This amuses me because I saw a thread in which your DM was explaining the situation and looking for some advice.

Anyway, you seem to be the only character with the ability to take any damage. It looks like you're going to need some sort of warrior type, maybe a Half-Giant Psychic Warrior. Good solid warrior, with some spellcasting abilities, so you're not left out. :smallbiggrin:

Abstruse
2007-04-11, 09:16 PM
Goliath, from Races of Stone. +1 level adjustment, +4 STR, -2 DEX, +2 CON, and though they're medium they're considered large for purposes of using weapons and grappling.

dorshe1
2007-04-11, 09:22 PM
20th level wizard all the way!

raistlin807
2007-04-11, 09:25 PM
are there any races that are large or act as large that don't give a level adjustment? Or baring that, are there any that give bonus hit dice with a not too nasty Level Adjustment?

Hzurr
2007-04-11, 10:32 PM
are there any races that are large or act as large that don't give a level adjustment?
Nope. The closest you could get with be with the Goliath (I think half-giants are similar), who are treated as large creatures for everything but reach.


Or baring that, are there any that give bonus hit dice with a not too nasty Level Adjustment? Bonus Hit Die? Nothing has "Bonus hit die," but there are several creatures in the MM that have a LA +1/+2 with Monstrous HD if that's what you're wanting, although I recommend against it.


On a side note, Goliaths are a ton of fun to play.

Ninja Chocobo
2007-04-11, 11:30 PM
Best class for large creatures? Hulking Hurler (CWar)
It's awesome. You throw stuff around, and it hurts people. A lot.

Irenicus
2007-04-12, 12:00 AM
A Large creature without LA would be ridiculously broken due to the horrible bias WoTC games show to larger creatures. (Although the bias is somewhat realistic, admittedly, I personally believe it goes a little too far and is a little too general.)

Personally, I would suggest a nice Warblade from Tome of Battle. Those Iron Heart maneuvers add some amazing longevity to a character. Also, maneuvers allow a huge variety of options for character customization.

Inyssius Tor
2007-04-12, 05:00 AM
are there any races that are large or act as large that don't give a level adjustment? Or baring that, are there any that give bonus hit dice with a not too nasty Level Adjustment?

You know that Hit Dice actually count as character levels (and stack with LA), right? A monster PC with 4 HD and a +3 LA will be a level four character, as well as counting as a level seven character.

Jalil
2007-04-12, 11:39 AM
This amuses me because I saw a thread in which your DM was explaining the situation and looking for some advice.


:smallbiggrin:Me too!

@OP

Warblade is quite nice, though a crusader can also get quite beastly. With the right maneuvers, he can be virtually invincible.

Short of ToB, have you thought of playing a summoner? Conjuror3/Master specialist 1/2, depending on your level. Take the UA vaiants for rapid+enhanced Summoning, and Cloudy conjuration. You won't be able to take hits, but your summons will be able to. Take Malconvoker at lvl 6 for a free Extend if you can make a bluff check.

EDIT:
Steer clear of the CE, though. Parties don't generally like that. :smallbiggrin:

Matthew
2007-04-12, 01:58 PM
What books are available to you?

Telonius
2007-04-12, 02:16 PM
I've heard good things about Tome of Battle. You might consider playing a Knight, as well. d12 for hit points, nice stuff if you're supposed to be soaking up the damage.

The J Pizzel
2007-04-12, 02:38 PM
One of my players is playing a Knight from PHBII. He's the ultimate tank. He puts out some pretty good damage too. The heavy armor and ability to "challenge" enemies to only fight him are pretty impressive. He enjoys the hell out of it.

jp

raistlin807
2007-04-12, 06:21 PM
The only books we have are (from the top of my head) The complete arcane, all the core books, the eberron and forgotten realms books, the book of vile darkness, the psionics handbook and I think that's all.

raistlin807
2007-04-12, 06:41 PM
Ok, here's a thougt; Multiclass Barbarian/Druid. Possibly pick a shifter as the race. I like the idea of rage mixed with wild shape. Perhaps use a greatclub to fight for uber pwnage. Any comments or edits?

raistlin807
2007-04-12, 06:41 PM
I don't know what the different book acronyms are. We're a primitive group

Kultrum
2007-04-12, 07:25 PM
that sounds like it would work well with your party

Flawless
2007-04-12, 08:33 PM
How about the bear warrior PrC from complete warrior? It's a barbarian PrC that allows you to polymorph into a bear while in rage. You get a huge bonus to strenght while in bear form and some natural attacks.

Roland St. Jude
2007-04-12, 10:45 PM
Sheriff: I just merged the two identical threads started by the OP, so there may be some wierdness above.

raistlin807
2007-04-12, 11:04 PM
What is the bear warrior and what book is it from?

Kultrum
2007-04-13, 12:43 AM
What is the bear warrior and what book is it from?

its in complete warrior, and basically instead normal rage you turn into a bear and get huge str bonuses you start at black bear then go brown, and later dire and any barbarian after 7th lvl can take it

Aquillion
2007-04-13, 01:13 AM
Assuming they don't undertake a quest to have me resurrectedEr, you're a Warforged. Aren't Warforged non-rezzable on account of being constructs? Or was that one of the things they changed for them? (I can never remember.)

This raises an interesting point, though. Putting the above aside, can you really commit a capital crime, get executed, then have your buddies collect the body and raise you (or not collect the body and resurrect you, whichever?) It seems to sort of defeat the purpose of having a death penalty in the first place... when the punishment says that you shall be "hung by the neck until dead", it usually doesn't take into account the possibility that you could just get zapped back to life an hour later.

I guess there aren't too many ways to prevent it absent high-level magic (really only worth using for BBEGs and other persistantly antisocial types), but it strikes me as funny.

raistlin807
2007-04-13, 01:27 AM
It's funny you should mention the ineffectiveness of capital punishment cause my sentence is being taken to the next level. To mark the tragedy of the event (also so my DM can make sure he never has to deal with this charachter again) The town is going to melt him down and make a memorial to commemorate the massacre he inflicted on them. No body and with only a few casters of the requisite level needed to cast the spell in Eberon, added to my warforged's infamy, no one will res me.

Marius
2007-04-13, 08:37 AM
I don't know what the different book acronyms are. We're a primitive group

ToB or TBoNS = Tome of Battle: The Book of Nine Swords

Try to get it, it's AWESOME.

storybookknight
2007-04-13, 10:52 AM
The other suggestion is to shake the bars of your cage three times, then effect a daring escape by climbing the outside of the prison tower!

raistlin807
2007-04-13, 12:06 PM
Three times? Why so specific? I think a prison break will be attempted bt I don't know how successful it can be with half the party wanted criminals and the other half incompetent.

Kultrum
2007-04-13, 03:13 PM
tis always better to die in prison than to adventure with idiots.

Telonius
2007-04-13, 03:15 PM
tis always better to die in prison than to adventure with idiots.
And better still to get the idiots to die in prison instead of you. :smallcool: