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daremetoidareyo
2015-04-08, 06:01 PM
Many of the abilities for mountebank scale according to the number of levels in mountebank. But there are two classes named mountebank, can they be treated as identical?

Infernal Patron (Su): Owing to her close connection to an infernal patron or similar, sinister master, the mountebank can channel the energies of the Lower Planes to aid her in clouding the minds of others. In a manner similar to how a cleric calls upon the power of his deity the mountebank turns to her master for aid. She can call upon her patron's aid a number of times per day equal to 1/2 her mountebank level + Charisma modifier. Channeling this energy and using it to power her abilities is a standard action. The mountebank gains the ability to use this power in a number of different ways.

So your mountebank level is (RAW) 20 after prestiging into mountebank.

Infernal Guise (Sp): By expending one use of her infernal patron ability, the mountebank can use alter self as a sorcerer with a caster level equal to her mountebank level.

Your caster level is 20?

And Mountebank (comp scoundrel)Alter Ego (Sp): Starting at 3rd level, you establish an alternate identity. This alter ego has its own distinct physical characteristics, quirks, preferred clothing, and so on. At will, you can switch your form between that of your normal identity and that of your alter ego. This ability works like the alter self spell, except that you can assume only the appearance of your alternate identity. Your caster level for this ability is equal to your mountebank class level.

The real power of this tier 5 maybe 4 build is that you can mass beguile and then sneak attack the heck out of people, like a stabby bard. Side slipping about to do so. Paired with alter self based burrow/flight and lots of magic items & maybe some manticore based soulmelding, you got yourself a thing: +6d6 damage per attack to things you beguiled! whoo!

It would actually be an ok single tier 3 class if you threw in a few (1-3) bonus feats, mixed and matched the best parts of the dimension door abilities, and maybe stacked on the non-spellcasting class abilities of acolyte of the skin. starting at level 7.

Eloel
2015-04-08, 07:18 PM
When there are two things of the same name, the earlier-released one is presumed updated as the later-released one.

There are therefore no rules around this issue, since RAW, it's not an issue.

torrasque666
2015-04-08, 09:45 PM
When there are two things of the same name, the earlier-released one is presumed updated as the later-released one.

There are therefore no rules around this issue, since RAW, it's not an issue.

These are two completely different things though, a base class and a prestige class. How would they interact?

Eloel
2015-04-09, 12:06 AM
These are two completely different things though, a base class and a prestige class. How would they interact?

They wouldn't, they don't exist as seperate classes. Note that Prestige Bard has been called Prestige Bard and not Bard so that it doesn't replace the original one.

WhamBamSam
2015-04-09, 12:50 AM
They certainly don't stack for the purpose of things based on "Mountebank level" or "Mountebank class level." You simply have two separate Mountebank levels. You might be able to make an (absurdly silly) argument that you get to use the higher of the two for a feature from either source or that they stack for the purpose of Deceptive Attack which uses the language "every 4 mountebank levels" rather than "equal to your Mountebank level" or the like.


They wouldn't, they don't exist as seperate classes. Note that Prestige Bard has been called Prestige Bard and not Bard so that it doesn't replace the original one.I don't think that's the case. There are a few other (completely unrelated) things that share names, and one is clearly not an update of the other. I think Mountebank 10/Mountebank 10 is a valid build. It just probably doesn't work the way the OP is suggesting.

Eloel
2015-04-09, 12:59 AM
I don't think that's the case. There are a few other (completely unrelated) things that share names, and one is clearly not an update of the other.
Unrelated, like feat vs class, yes. But a class is a class is a class. Prestige Class just means that the said class has requirements that usually cannot be achieved at level 1 - compared to what we call the base classes (who can still have requirement - see Barbarian with the nonlawful requirement)

nedz
2015-04-09, 06:26 AM
Nice find — it's a bit like playing a Beguiler Beguiler only more likely to cause confusion.

I think that this is fine but unless you really like the build I would not play one since it is likely to just cause arguments.