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yaluckyboy09
2015-04-12, 09:58 PM
one of friends really likes the Psionic Power Fusion (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/psionic/powers/fusion.htm) but we're currently playing in a non-Psionic setting and I was wondering if there was a spell equivalent

Flickerdart
2015-04-12, 10:14 PM
There's not. Generally, hilarious mind shenanigans are the domain of psionics alone, which is something that helps separate it from arcane magic. After all, there would be no point in psionics if you could do everything it does with spells.

yaluckyboy09
2015-04-12, 10:34 PM
There's not. Generally, hilarious mind shenanigans are the domain of psionics alone, which is something that helps separate it from arcane magic. After all, there would be no point in psionics if you could do everything it does with spells.

that makes sense

ShurikVch
2015-04-13, 04:07 AM
Chameleon Crafting feat (Dr#349) allow to make psionic items with spells and magic items with powers.

But, after the Scroll of Fusion is created, any Wizard or Archivist may learn it (assuming creator was of appropriate class)

Necroticplague
2015-04-13, 04:14 AM
Chameleon Crafting feat (Dr#349) allow to make psionic items with spells and magic items with powers.

But, after the Scroll of Fusion is created, any Wizard or Archivist may learn it (assuming creator was of appropriate class)

False, wizards can only learn spells from their class list. Fusion isn't on the wizard list, for obvious reasons. Archivist works, though.

sleepyphoenixx
2015-04-13, 04:22 AM
Chameleon Crafting feat (Dr#349) allow to make psionic items with spells and magic items with powers.

But, after the Scroll of Fusion is created, any Wizard or Archivist may learn it (assuming creator was of appropriate class)

You also need to know the power you're crafting, which kind of defeats the point.
Unless you plan to ask your DM to have a crafter with the feat & power that makes a scroll just for you (which probably won't happen in most games, and certainly not in a non-psionic setting like the OP mentioned).

ShurikVch
2015-04-13, 04:24 AM
False, wizards can only learn spells from their class list. Fusion isn't on the wizard list, for obvious reasons. Archivist works, though.Wyrm Wizard 2 may do it too

Max Caysey
2015-04-13, 04:35 AM
one of friends really likes the Psionic Power Fusion (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/psionic/powers/fusion.htm) but we're currently playing in a non-Psionic setting and I was wondering if there was a spell equivalent

Would wish (http://www.d20srd.org/srd/spells/wish.htm) not be able to dublicate this?

Inevitability
2015-04-13, 08:48 AM
There's not. Generally, hilarious mind shenanigans are the domain of psionics alone, which is something that helps separate it from arcane magic. After all, there would be no point in psionics if you could do everything it does with spells.

Apparently this isn't the case the other way, though. :smalltongue:

atemu1234
2015-04-13, 09:01 AM
Wyrm Wizard 2 may do it too

No, because that only counts with divine spells, I do believe.

ShurikVch
2015-04-13, 10:01 AM
No, because that only counts with divine spells, I do believe.
Type of spells in scroll created with Chameleon Crafting is determined by spellcasting class of creator.
If he have levels in some arcane spellcaster class, scroll is arcane (even if it contain something like Mind Switch); if divine - then scroll is divine; and if both - then by choice of creator

Flickerdart
2015-04-13, 10:07 AM
Apparently this isn't the case the other way, though. :smalltongue:
It definitely is - there are a ton of things, like illusions or necromancy, that psionics cannot do.

Bad Wolf
2015-04-13, 06:19 PM
Is there an animate dead power equivalent?

Vhaidara
2015-04-13, 07:18 PM
It definitely is - there are a ton of things, like illusions or necromancy, that psionics cannot do.

Spell To Power, not Power to Spell

Necroticplague
2015-04-13, 07:27 PM
Is there an animate dead power equivalent?

Yes, the Animate Dead spell turned into a power through a STP erudite and then added to a different psionicist using Psychic Chirurgery.

Inevitability
2015-04-14, 12:20 AM
It definitely is - there are a ton of things, like illusions or necromancy, that psionics cannot do.

Was referring to StP erudite.

sleepyphoenixx
2015-04-14, 01:43 AM
Was referring to StP erudite.

If you're using StP Erudites as an argument that psionics can do everything spells can do then you'll also have to accept the reverse for Chameleon Crafting Archivist/Psionic theurges.

Which is fine in theory, but in practical play the StP Erudite will probably only learn a handful of spells as powers because of the XP cost and time investment. The same is true for the CC Archivist.

ShurikVch
2015-04-14, 03:36 AM
There also may be another option: Spellhoarding dragon have Spellcatching - improved variant of counterspelling; anything counterspelled will be added to the dragon's spellhoard