Crusader question

[Melcar]

"At the end of your next turn, a withheld maneuver is granted to you, and the whole process of divine inspiration begins again. You begin an encounter with an additional granted maneuver at 10th level (bringing your total to three), and again at 20th level (bringing your total to four)."

Ok... so what happens if:

1. You have not expended any maneuvers at all? Do they start over or do they just remain then?

2. What if you have used 3 out of 5? Whould you then just gain 1 back each round again and again each time you just use 1 or do you have to expend all of them before the process starts over?

3. What if one one is used? Would that one just become ready again and again so it could be used every round?

Thanks

[atemu1234]

"At the end of your next turn, a withheld maneuver is granted to you, and the whole process of divine inspiration begins again. You begin an encounter with an additional granted maneuver at 10th level (bringing your total to three), and again at 20th level (bringing your total to four)."

Ok... so what happens if:

1. You have not expended any maneuvers at all? Do they start over or do they just remain then?

2. What if you have used 3 out of 5? Whould you then just gain 1 back each round again and again each time you just use 1 or do you have to expend all of them before the process starts over?

3. What if one one is used? Would that one just become ready again and again so it could be used every round?

Thanks

Unless I am mistaken, you stand an equal chance of getting an unexpended maneuver that you have not been inspired by and an expended maneuver, though I am uncertain.

[Rebel7284]

First of all, the rest of the text of the ability is useful:

"If, at the end of your turn, you cannot be granted a maneuver because you have no withheld maneuvers remaining, you recover all expended maneuvers, and a new pair of readied maneuvers is granted to you. Randomly determine which of your maneuvers are granted and which are withheld. At the end of your next turn, a withheld maneuver is granted to you, and the whole process of divine inspiration begins again."

Basically there are three pools of maneuvers:
1. Withheld
2. Granted
3. Expended

Every turn, one withheld maneuver becomes granted.
One there is no more withheld maneuvers left, you randomly determine which ones are the new granted ones and all the rest become withheld.

Crusaders work much better with maneuvers on some cards so you can shuffle, deal yourself two cards, then keep drawing a card per turn until the deck is done. Then reshuffle and draw again.

I will admit that the text is not 100% clear that existing granted go away, but I feel that "Randomly determine which of your maneuvers are granted and which are withheld" strongly implies it.

[Red Fel]

Ok... so what happens if:

1. You have not expended any maneuvers at all? Do they start over or do they just remain then?

2. What if you have used 3 out of 5? Whould you then just gain 1 back each round again and again each time you just use 1 or do you have to expend all of them before the process starts over?

3. What if one one is used? Would that one just become ready again and again so it could be used every round?

Thanks

First, this is a pretty good explanation here:


First of all, the rest of the text of the ability is useful:

The wording of the Crusader's recovery mechanic is a bit confusing, but I'll try to answer your questions precisely and concisely.

1. Each turn, a withheld maneuver is granted. Once there are no more withheld maneuvers, you reshuffle (Rebel is right, the cards are really useful) and start over. Thus, even if you have used no maneuvers, you have to start over.

2. As above, once all of your withheld maneuvers are granted, you reshuffle and start over. Thus, even if you have only used some of your maneuvers, you start over.

3. As above, even if you only use one of your maneuvers, you start over.

Note that there is something called the "Idiot Crusader" build. The idea is that you have a number of granted maneuvers equal or greater to your readied maneuvers. As a result, all of your maneuvers are granted, all of the time. It works like this: Say you have 3 maneuvers readied, and 4 maneuvers granted. Picture the cards. At the beginning of your turn, you draw all three maneuvers you have readied, and expend whichever you like. At the end of your turn, you have no withheld maneuvers remaining; thus, you draw your granted maneuvers (all of the maneuvers you have readied), and are prepared for the next round.

It requires a sorely limited maneuver base, but the benefit is a guarantee of having all maneuvers available at all times.

[Necroticplague]

"At the end of your next turn, a withheld maneuver is granted to you, and the whole process of divine inspiration begins again. You begin an encounter with an additional granted maneuver at 10th level (bringing your total to three), and again at 20th level (bringing your total to four)."

Ok... so what happens if:

1. You have not expended any maneuvers at all? Do they start over or do they just remain then?

2. What if you have used 3 out of 5? Whould you then just gain 1 back each round again and again each time you just use 1 or do you have to expend all of them before the process starts over?

3. What if one one is used? Would that one just become ready again and again so it could be used every round?

Thanks
1.They remain until all your maneuvers are granted.
2.it remains 1 new maneuver is granted per round until all of your readied maneuvers have been granted.
3.if you expend a maneuver, you cannot use it until your maneuver is refreshed by all of them being granted.

Think of it this way: You start with a pool of maneuvers known. You select a subset of this pool to ready. When an encounter starts, you draw from this pool of readied maneuvers, turning them into granted maneuvers. Expended maneuvers are not able to be used, but they are still granted (think of them as being sent to a discard pile). When you run out things in your 'readied-but-not-granted' pool, you shuffle your granted and expended pool together to create a new 'readied-not-granted' pool, and then start the process over again.

[Melcar]

Thank you for the replies. It was not clear to me at all.

[Red Fel]

Thank you for the replies. It was not clear to me at all.

Hey, it's cool. As 3.5 came to a close, a number of books - such as ToB, MoI, etc. - came out with fun new mechanics, but horrible editing. There are still some confusing or arcane aspects to them. ToB, in particular, suffers from incomplete errata. You're hardly the first person to find Crusader's recovery mechanic unclear.