How would you build Byakuya Kuchiki?

[LoyalPaladin]

I know, I was bound to ask this question at some point. Snowbluff will probably harass me for this.

The question is in the title. How would you build Byakuya Kuchiki (http://bleach.wikia.com/wiki/Byakuya_Kuchiki) from Bleach in 3.5? My first thought was Warblade/Sorc into Ruby Knight Vindicator. But I was horribly disappointed when I realized RKV progresses divine casters and you need devoted spirit. He is unarmored and uses a single katana (http://bleach.wikia.com/wiki/Senbonzakura#Zanpakut.C5.8D) (that we can write off as a WoL).

So now, playground, your resident paladin is at a loss. How do you make a hard hitting fighter that can cast a moderate amount of spells (http://bleach.wikia.com/wiki/Kid%C5%8D#Had.C5.8D). I say moderate, because the shinigami (http://bleach.wikia.com/wiki/Shinigami) from Bleach aren't quite wizards.

I'll list a couple "kido" I'd like to be able to replicate. But these are just core ones. If there are more, let me know:
Rikujōkōrō (http://bleach.wikia.com/wiki/Rikuj%C5%8Dk%C5%8Dr%C5%8D): Hold Person
Dankū (http://bleach.wikia.com/wiki/Dank%C5%AB): Wall of Force
Shō (http://bleach.wikia.com/wiki/Sh%C5%8D): ____
Shakkahō (http://bleach.wikia.com/wiki/Shakkah%C5%8D): Fireball
Byakurai (http://bleach.wikia.com/wiki/Byakurai): Lightning Bolt

[Tvtyrant]

I would probably go Human Cleric 1/Factotum 8/Dread Necromancer 1/Chameleon 10, persisting cloud of knives a bazillion times and using the various sword and buff spells.

[j_spencer93]

Seriously, without using a wizard using some kind of massively buffed cloud of knives...i don't think you could. However using A magical build focused on your own meta version of that spell could be a fun build.

[LoyalPaladin]

If we left Senbonzakura out of the picture, how would you build Byakuya? Most of the Zanpakto abilities can be chalked up to a WoL. While it is way less cool than the anime, Wall of Blades and a few other spells could probably emulate a lot of his sword's abilities. I'm mostly trying to accomplish his combat abilities.

[j_spencer93]

Man i would seriously find the most melee centric magic build you could, take feats to grant you maneuvers and focus on metaing your cloud of knives. would fit to me.

Technically this works opposite too, a melee build with just cloud of knives and ways to improve it would work.

[Tvtyrant]

If we left Senbonzakura out of the picture, how would you build Byakuya? Most of the Zanpakto abilities can be chalked up to a WoL. While it is way less cool than the anime, Wall of Blades and a few other spells could probably emulate a lot of his sword's abilities. I'm mostly trying to accomplish his combat abilities.

In that case I would make a Swiftblade. His biggest traits are casting and flash steps, both of which the Swiftblade covers.

[Elricaltovilla]

If we left Senbonzakura out of the picture, how would you build Byakuya? Most of the Zanpakto abilities can be chalked up to a WoL. While it is way less cool than the anime, Wall of Blades and a few other spells could probably emulate a lot of his sword's abilities. I'm mostly trying to accomplish his combat abilities.

Bushi Zweihander Sentinel Warder with a custom weapon of legacy. ALL Shinigami are Bushi Zweihander Sentinel Warders with weapons of legacy.

But that's Pathfinder, so you probably don't want that.:smalltongue:

[LoyalPaladin]

In that case I would make a Swiftblade.
That looks like it fits well! I am sad that I wouldn't be able to fit Warblade in. I really wish Warblade could get an arcane variant of Ruby Knight Vindicator.


But that's Pathfinder, so you probably don't want that.:smalltongue:
We were going to be best friends... but... now you've dishonored my thread...
http://33.media.tumblr.com/654112faedd5bc196c11069c74cc4ecf/tumblr_n59el57ojo1tyzjj1o1_400.gif

[Elricaltovilla]

We were going to be best friends... but... now you've dishonored my thread...
http://33.media.tumblr.com/654112faedd5bc196c11069c74cc4ecf/tumblr_n59el57ojo1tyzjj1o1_400.gif

I don't know where to find and upload gifs of samurai killing people, so let me go get snowbluff to do it on my behalf.

[Karl Aegis]

Straight Swordsage, taking some desert wind and shadow hand maneuvers to emulate some of the effects that require somatic components and some setting sun maneuvers to block attacks to oneself.

[LoyalPaladin]

Hold on a second, I'm going sacrifice you to Snowbluff!
You fiend...


Straight Swordsage, taking some desert wind and shadow hand maneuvers to emulate some of the effects that require somatic components and some setting sun maneuvers to block attacks to oneself.
You think so? I felt like Diamond Mind/Iron Heart were much more suited to the Shinigami. But maybe my lack of initiator knowledge is getting the best of me.

[Elricaltovilla]

We went over this in the deities thread, I'm not a fiend or a saint. I merely use the most effective means of achieving victory available to me.

[Snowbluff]

I don't know where to find and upload gifs of samurai killing people, so let me go get snowbluff to do it on my behalf.

You don't need a gif for this one. Canon has you covered.
http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m7q61aTIui1r1uktc.png

I'd like to point out that I'm no blunt instrument. Do not summon me so flippantly in the future.

[Demidos]

Sorcadin.

Use hold person, ray spells, and wings of cover and refluff them. Heck, you even still get Sacred exorcist for the persisted cloud of knives.


Done :smallbiggrin:

[j_spencer93]

You don't need a gif for this one. Canon has you covered.
http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m7q61aTIui1r1uktc.png

I'd like to point out that I'm no blunt instrument. Do not summon me so flippantly in the future.

Man that was just harsh...

[Elricaltovilla]

I'd like to point out that I'm no blunt instrument. Do not summon me so flippantly in the future.

Sorry, but I don't read bleach so I haven't really got a clue what to do with it. I don't even know what's going on in that image.

[j_spencer93]

That was the said character getting completely dominated and almost killed

[Elricaltovilla]

That was the said character getting completely dominated and almost killed

Well without context it just looks like a Rorschach Blob to me.

[LoyalPaladin]

You don't need a gif for this one. Canon has you covered.
http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m7q61aTIui1r1uktc.png
Heh, too bad Byakuya never takes off his... PLOT ARMOR (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/PlotArmor)! (Seriously though, Byakuya won't die. Fangirls all over him like erryday.)
http://img4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20130419011823/bleach/en/images/1/14/Byakuya_floats.PNG


Sorcadin.

Use hold person, ray spells, and wings of cover and refluff them. Heck, you even still get Sacred exorcist for the persisted cloud of knives.


Done :smallbiggrin:
Oooooo. Paladin levels! I mean... oh cool, Sorcadin looks neat. I thought CHA would jive well because it represents force of personality (http://bleach.wikia.com/wiki/Reiatsu).

[j_spencer93]

Him dying there would have been more impactful then this half asses arc we got now :/

[LoyalPaladin]

Him dying there would have been more impactful then this half asses arc we got now :/
But then we would never see this arc finished because the author would die at the hands of all the fan palad- girls... yeah. Fan girls.

Updating the main post to contain spells I'd like to be able to cast in this build.

[j_spencer93]

lol true. I really loved the manga up until the end of the Aizen arc. Actually this one has been ok too just feels a little rushed and ill thought out.

[LoyalPaladin]

Does anyone want to point me in the direction of a good Sorcadin build? It looks like most kido can be replicated with relatively low level spells.


lol true. I really loved the manga up until the end of the Aizen arc. Actually this one has been ok too just feels a little rushed and ill thought out.
It is okay. But I feel like it is a "you just activated my trap card" arc. It keeps happening! Over... and over... and over... and over...

[j_spencer93]

It is okay. But I feel like it is a "you just activated my trap card" arc. It keeps happening! Over... and over... and over... and over...

Tell me about it. The good guys have trained, then been over powered. Healed and reentered fight, overpowered. Unleashed their never before seen powers, over powered. Strongest being ever, over powered. Unleash a good to stabilize world, absorbed and over powered. Unleash aizen, over powered. At this point its seriously wtf, where did the quincy come up with this....

[Elricaltovilla]

danku could be shield or wall of force.
Sho is a refluffed hydraulic push (http://www.d20pfsrd.com/magic/all-spells/h/hydraulic-push)

[Karl Aegis]

Paladin 2 / Sorcerer 4 / Spellsword 1/ Abjurant Champion 5 / Sacred Exorcist 8 is pretty standard for a Sorcadin. If you can find a full caster prestige class with 3/4 BAB or better you can trade that out for sacred exorcist levels.

[Demidos]

As the poster above, thats a good/standard build.
Hold person for the ring of light thing.
Refluffed wings of cover for the giant square of force blocky hado.
Scorching ray for the ray.

Those cover his usual hado, i think.

[Red Fel]

I would second Elric's PF suggestion. You know, if you liked PF.

If not, however... Why has nobody mentioned Jade Phoenix Mage? Because this...

http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/4-20-2015/JZN2m9.gif

... says martial spellcaster to me. And JPM does a reasonably good job of putting blast in your sword, so you can blast while you sword. RKV isn't the only martial caster in ToB, you know.

Or, you know. Swiftblade like a boss.

[Snowbluff]

I think Cloud of Knives is sufficient. Other spells come with the build.

Well without context it just looks like a Rorschach Blob to me.

He didn't have to die, just take enough damage to injure his pride.

Now that I helped you out, you can change your opinion on strike to match mine, if it pleases. :smalltongue:

[LoyalPaladin]

Paladin 2 / Sorcerer 4 / Spellsword 1/ Abjurant Champion 5 / Sacred Exorcist 8 is pretty standard for a Sorcadin.
Thank you!


I would second Elric's PF suggestion. You know, if you liked PF.

If not, however... Why has nobody mentioned Jade Phoenix Mage?
This looks promising! I am a little confused though... it says:

Maneuvers: At each odd-numbered level, you gain a new maneuver known from the Desert Wind or Devoted Spirit disciplines.

But then it says:

You add your full Jade Phoenix mage levels to your initiator level to determine your total initiator level and your highest-level maneuvers known.

So does that mean you progress your current initiator class and gain Desert Wind/Devoted Spirit maneuvers? Or do you stop gaining your current disciplines and start gaining new ones? I'm really not so great at Tome of Battle


I think Cloud of Knives is sufficient. Other spells come with the build.

He didn't have to die, just take enough damage to injure his pride.
Yeah, I like Cloud of Knives. Really if you can get a WoL that is fluffed to make ranged attacks as melee, it would work.

Don't threaten his pride. You know what happened last time.
http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20140622222658/bleach/en/images/1/1b/198Byakuya_slashes.png

[Snowbluff]

Yeah, I like Cloud of Knives. Really if you can get a WoL that is fluffed to make ranged attacks as melee, it would work.

Don't threaten his pride. You know what happened last time.

It's not personal. I'm only here to gain favor with DSP in order to enact positive change on their system. Just because he suggested you use the aggravated abortion people call Pathfinder (even if it's where DSP is forced to write in order to survive) wasn't a reason to get nasty.
https://i.warosu.org/data/jp/img/0108/24/1367411104918.gif

[LoyalPaladin]

It's not personal. I'm only here to gain favor with DSP in order to enact positive change on their system. Just because he suggested you use the aggravated abortion people call Pathfinder (even if it's where DSP is forced to write in order to survive) wasn't a reason to get nasty.
https://i.warosu.org/data/jp/img/0108/24/1367411104918.gif
Sometimes I wonder if I should find a doctor for you...
http://38.media.tumblr.com/5bddde854511bf5080b274a3cd097359/tumblr_mjq1rwCcb11qexdsno1_500.gif

[Red Fel]

So does that mean you progress your current initiator class and gain Desert Wind/Devoted Spirit maneuvers? Or do you stop gaining your current disciplines and start gaining new ones? I'm really not so great at Tome of Battle

Okay. There's a difference between your Initiator Level (IL) and your maneuver progression. You gain maneuvers as the class tells you - thus, when you switch from something to JPM, you stop gaining maneuvers as your prior class, and start gaining them as a JPM, from the disciplines set forth therein.

However, you add your JPM levels to your prior initiator levels to determine your overall IL. Your IL is one of several prerequisites for maneuvers known. For example, if you went Warblade 10/ Fighter 10, you would have a Warblade IL of 15 - 10 from Warblade levels, and 10/2 from Fighter levels. That qualifies you for 8th-level maneuvers.

Contrast this with if you multiclassed two different initiating classes. For example, if you took Warblade 10/ Crusader 6/ Fighter 4, your IL for Warblade maneuvers would be 15 - 10 from Warblade, 6/2 from Crusader, 4/2 from Fighter - and your Crusader IL would be 13 - 6 from Crusader, 10/2 from Warblade, and 4/2 from Fighter. That means that if you take a level of Warblade, your IL of 15 qualifies you for an 8th-level Warblade maneuver; if you take a level of Crusader, your IL of 13 qualifies you for a 7th-level Crusader maneuver.

JPM says that you add your full JPM level to your IL to determine your total IL. So, for example, if you had a Wizard 3/ Warblade 7/ JPM 10, you would have an IL of 18 - 7 from Warblade, 10 from JPM, and 3/2 (round down to 1) from Wizard. That qualifies you for 9th-level maneuvers. However, you could only take 9th-level maneuvers in the disciplines available to you at that time - thus, if you took a level of JPM, you could only take one from Devoted Spirit or Desert Wind, despite having had access to more while you were a Warblade. If, on the other hand, you mixed Warblade and JPM levels, and took a Warblade level, you could take one from Diamond Mind, Iron Heart, Stone Dragon, Tiger Claw, or White Raven, as you like.

Note that in addition to IL, you also have to meet maneuver prerequisites - that is, to take a Devoted Spirit maneuver that requires two Devoted Spirit maneuvers known, you must already know two Devoted Spirit maneuvers. You must meet the IL requirement in addition to this.

Get it?

[Snowbluff]

Sometimes I wonder if I should find a doctor for you...

I don't see the point. There's no cure for being awesome.

[LoyalPaladin]

Get it?
I... think so?
https://38.media.tumblr.com/17169a848b9338b4e53112b111b859fe/tumblr_n8b4n1c1Hu1t2yvn6o1_500.gif


I don't see the point. There's no cure for being awesome.
Thus the worry will continue...

[Snowbluff]

I... think so? In short, having levels in a PrC that progresses maneuvers is closer to taking Practiced Spellcaster as opposed to advancing via PrC with a caster. You only learn new maneuvers when the class you are in tells you to.


Thus the worry will continue...You have an anxiety disorder and are projecting.
http://media.giphy.com/media/toko7Enffg5DG/giphy.gif
You should see a doctor about that.

[LoyalPaladin]

In short, having levels in a PrC that progresses maneuvers is closer to taking Practiced Spellcaster as opposed to advancing via PrC with a caster. You only learn new maneuvers when the class you are in tells you to.
Okay... I guess that works. Man. Byakuya is harder to build than I thought. Mostly because his AC is terrrrrrrible...


You have an anxiety disorder and are project.
http://media.giphy.com/media/toko7Enffg5DG/giphy.gif
You should see a doctor about that.
If I have any sort of disorder, it's from watching you cause chaos.
https://38.media.tumblr.com/c73f5d3a3f1ed5c26706d4dc235f7ef8/tumblr_mqo0rpTO7c1rjhzzqo1_400.gif

[Deox]

I did not go through the entirety of the posting, but I did not see any mention of Master of the Unseen Hand.

Use a modified version of the Jean Grey trick.

Animate a ton of actual swords [and full attack with EACH], Blade Dance, Greater Magic Weapon, Magnetism, and Cloud of Knives.

[Snowbluff]

If I have any sort of disorder, it's from watching you cause chaos.
Please, I'm not nearly as disruptive as the others.
http://24.media.tumblr.com/6e4a46f8030b8ca70d9ccf5b6d8b7124/tumblr_mqxb5b4JIO1scvj4vo1_500.gif

I did not go through the entirety of the posting, but I did not see any mention of Master of the Unseen Hand.

Use a modified version of the Jean Grey trick.

Animate a ton of actual swords [and full attack with EACH], Blade Dance, Greater Magic Weapon, Magnetism, and Cloud of Knives.
It works because he's a ghost.

Find the ghost savage progression. Take 2 levels of that for telekinesis.

[LoyalPaladin]

Animate a ton of actual swords [and full attack with EACH], Blade Dance, Greater Magic Weapon, Magnetism, and Cloud of Knives.
That is another great idea. I'll look into this further.


Please, I'm not nearly as disruptive as the others.
http://24.media.tumblr.com/6e4a46f8030b8ca70d9ccf5b6d8b7124/tumblr_mqxb5b4JIO1scvj4vo1_500.gif
Whatever helps you sleep at night. Snow.


Find the ghost savage progression. Take 2 levels of that for telekinesis.
I'm not super well versed in the ways of savage progression, but I'll take a look around.

One thing I am curious about, is it seems 9th level maneuvers are nearly impossible to get. I've also noticed that this build takes forever to come online, while maintaining zero AC.

[Elricaltovilla]

One thing I am curious about, is it seems 9th level maneuvers are nearly impossible to get. I've also noticed that this build takes forever to come online, while maintaining zero AC.

If you were a bushi Zweihander Sentinel warder, you could add your INT to AC and gain a scaling shield bonus to AC (that you can add to your touch AC for a feat). But you don't like Pathfinder.

Also: Gnomish Twistcloth, Haramaki, or an Armored Quilt. OR idk, amulet of natural armor/ring of deflection/bracers of armor? C'mon.

[LoyalPaladin]

If you were a bushi Zweihander Sentinel warder, you could add your INT to AC and gain a scaling shield bonus to AC (that you can add to your touch AC for a feat). But you don't like Pathfinder.
I'm going to be playing my first PF game soon™. So we will see how that goes...


Also: Gnomish Twistcloth, Haramaki, or an Armored Quilt. OR idk, amulet of natural armor/ring of deflection/bracers of armor? C'mon.
Gnomish Twistcloth? That sounds so stup- WHAT IS THE SOURCE OF THIS!?

I'm still learning OP Fu and Build Bushido, Elric-Sensei. So I am unsure what a Haramaki or Armored Quilt is as well.

[Elricaltovilla]

I'm going to be playing my first PF game soon™. So we will see how that goes...


Gnomish Twistcloth? That sounds so stup- WHAT IS THE SOURCE OF THIS!?

I'm still learning OP Fu and Build Bushido, Elric-Sensei. So I am unsure what a Haramaki or Armored Quilt is as well.

Haramaki (http://www.d20pfsrd.com/equipment---final/armor/eastern-armor-and-shields)
Armored Kilt (http://www.d20pfsrd.com/equipment---final/armor)

If I remember correctly, they're basically identical stats in 3.5.

Gnomish Twist Cloth is another +1 AC Max Dex -- armor from Races of Stone.

[LoyalPaladin]

Haramaki (http://www.d20pfsrd.com/equipment---final/armor/eastern-armor-and-shields)
Armored Kilt (http://www.d20pfsrd.com/equipment---final/armor)

If I remember correctly, they're basically identical stats in 3.5.

Gnomish Twist Cloth is another +1 AC Max Dex -- armor from Races of Stone.
That is awesome. In a high level campaign, you could get some sweet AC out of just those.

[Elricaltovilla]

OP Fu is basically just a specialization of Google Fu. If your Google Fu is strong you can find just about anything.

[LoyalPaladin]

OP Fu is basically just a specialization of Google Fu. If your Google Fu is strong you can find just about anything.
But I use Bing Bushido... it may not be the easiest path... but I feel it is the right one.

[Snowbluff]

UGH! Bing is not Bushido. You dishonor Build Bushido!

OP Fu is basically just a specialization of Google Fu. If your Google Fu is strong you can find just about anything.
Including a tsundere?
https://38.media.tumblr.com/361c0861031cd613474689768b9f787b/tumblr_n6h3lhnvvb1sq9yswo1_r1_500.gif

[Elricaltovilla]

UGH! Bing is not Bushido. You dishonor Build Bushido!

Including a tsundere?
https://38.media.tumblr.com/361c0861031cd613474689768b9f787b/tumblr_n6h3lhnvvb1sq9yswo1_r1_500.gif

Well, you're on the internet so probably.


But I use Bing Bushido... it may not be the easiest path... but I feel it is the right one.

Bing in a nutshell. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LTJvdGcb7Fs)

[LoyalPaladin]

UGH! Bing is not Bushido. You dishonor Build Bushido!
No... I've ascended beyond Bushido. I've shed the coils of Google and am now much more.


Including a tsundere?
https://38.media.tumblr.com/361c0861031cd613474689768b9f787b/tumblr_n6h3lhnvvb1sq9yswo1_r1_500.gif
https://33.media.tumblr.com/0611afbb5d26fdfef1b30d72d3e51c5d/tumblr_mt4ropdD5J1riyr15o1_500.gif


Bing in a nutshell. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LTJvdGcb7Fs)
I must repeat myself. (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showsinglepost.php?p=19139591&postcount=8)

[Elricaltovilla]

I must repeat myself. (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showsinglepost.php?p=19139591&postcount=8)

Haha! You've activated my trap card (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/NoSell)!

[Snowbluff]

No... I've ascended beyond Bushido. I've shed the coils of Google and am now much more.
No longer lawful, huh?


I must repeat myself. (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showsinglepost.php?p=19139591&postcount=8)

Bad! That's the sort of behavior that got me summoned here in the first place.
https://33.media.tumblr.com/042287c324b516ba4f2d61e77de8eb8d/tumblr_n6xh4mZkea1qbvovho1_500.gif

[LoyalPaladin]

Haha! You've activated my trap card (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/NoSell)!
Can it be a trap if I activated it... on purpose (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/CrouchingMoronHiddenBadass)?!


No longer lawful, huh?
I bet you have an Android phone.


Bad! That's the sort of behavior that got me summoned here in the first place.
https://33.media.tumblr.com/042287c324b516ba4f2d61e77de8eb8d/tumblr_n6xh4mZkea1qbvovho1_500.gif
Sometimes I wonder where my threads go wrong...
https://33.media.tumblr.com/599f46511fdff5c87e74c114e45f6317/tumblr_n0k5uofvgj1re27wxo1_500.gif

[Elricaltovilla]

It's important to note that you brought this on yourself. You were the first gif, and now there will be no last gif.

I have an android phone, youwannafightaboutit?

Cuz I think I know who'll win... Snowbluff. It's always Snowbluff.

[LoyalPaladin]

It's important to note that you brought this on yourself. You were the first gif, and now there will be no last gif.
I fully acknowledge this. I've got good stuff from this thread, so it's no biggie. If I keep it alive a little longer, I might have another question to ask.


I have an android phone, youwannafightaboutit?
The last thing I want Google (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/EvilInc) to have is GPS tabs on me. They already want me to link everything together... they're always watching... always learning...


Cuz I think I know who'll win... Snowbluff. It's always Snowbluff.
Didn't Snowbluff die in the mountains during a blizzard?

[Dusk Eclipse]

This thread is so awesome :eats popcorn:

[Elricaltovilla]

You can just turn that off, you know. Besides, they already know where you live. Google maps, streetview, amazon shipping orders, youtube accounts. You belonged to them before you even knew it.

[Snowbluff]

Didn't Snowbluff die in the mountains during a blizzard?

Wait, I thought I was assassinated.

Man, it sure is hard being everywhere at once.

[LoyalPaladin]

I thought of something. Is there a way to switch Sorcerer to WIS based casting? If I could, I could take Serenity to get all the Paladin features based of Wis and take the Saint template for more AC... or just a Monk's belt.


This thread is so awesome :eats popcorn:
Threads where Snowbluff and I enter our LG/Moe war tend to derail faster'n a train with two wheels on a greased track. But they also get necessary things done... except the last "GitP Regular's as ____" thread. That one spiraled out of control.


Wait, I thought I was assassinated.
Oh, I remember now! No one knows what happened. There's a bunch of rumors or something... I wrote it... you'd think I'd remember... but nope.

[Anlashok]

Just because he suggested you use the aggravated abortion people call Pathfinder

It's better than 3.5 though. By a lot.

And WTF is that girl doing with that feather? Weirdos.

[Elricaltovilla]

I thought of something. Is there a way to switch Sorcerer to WIS based casting? If I could, I could take Serenity to get all the Paladin features based of Wis and take the Saint template for more AC... or just a Monk's belt.

There might be... in Pathfinder. Idk about 3.5, they're so restrictive with the availability of material its hard to do any solid research.



Threads where Snowbluff and I enter our LG/Moe war tend to derail faster'n a train with two wheels on a greased track. But they also get necessary things done... except the last "GitP Regular's as ____" thread. That one spiraled out of control.


Yeah you don't go to those threads to get anything made, you go for the inevitable image wars and random philosophical debates.

[LoyalPaladin]

And WTF is that girl doing with that feather? Weirdos.
Don't look her in the eyes.


There might be... in Pathfinder.
You're the devil.


Idk about 3.5, they're so restrictive with the availability of material its hard to do any solid research.
Yeah... it does get difficult to sift through. Especially when I have to go book diving.


Yeah you don't go to those threads to get anything made, you go for the inevitable image wars and random philosophical debates.
That is the truth. I lucked out early last time. Not sure how.

[squiggit]

Wildblood(Empyreal) Celestial Sorcerers in Pathfinder cast off Wisdom.

[Snowbluff]

Threads where Snowbluff and I enter our LG/Moe war tend to derail faster'n a train with two wheels on a greased track. But they also get necessary things done... except the last "GitP Regular's as ____" thread. That one spiraled out of control.

I like it when people watch. :smalltongue:


And WTF is that girl doing with that feather? Weirdos.

Having fun.
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[Elricaltovilla]

Wildblood(Empyreal) Celestial Sorcerers in Pathfinder cast off Wisdom.

See? For all your 3.5 build needs, Pathfinder has the answer.

[Snowbluff]

See? For all your 3.5 build needs, Pathfinder has the answer.

Yeah, like Cloud of Knives?

[Elricaltovilla]

Yeah, like Cloud of Knives?

Sure, why not? (http://www.d20pfsrd.com/magic/all-spells/w/wreath-of-blades)

[Snowbluff]

Sure, why not? (http://www.d20pfsrd.com/magic/all-spells/w/wreath-of-blades)

This is the opposite of Cloud of Knives. This is such the wrong spell I wonder why you didn't just go with Blade Barrier. :smallsigh:

[LoyalPaladin]

I like it when people watch. :smalltongue:
I just... you can't... wha...


See? For all your 3.5 build needs, Pathfinder has the answer.
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Yeah, like Cloud of Knives?
Isn't that a PHII spell?

[Elricaltovilla]

Sorry LP, it's a side effect of having actual class features on most classes, even if they are usually crappy.

But it gives me fun stuff to trade away when I make archetypes! So many archetypes...:smallfrown:

[Snowbluff]

I just... you can't... wha...
Hush... you wouldn't want to look like a wimp in front of your friends, would you?
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Isn't that a PHII spell? Yes. That was the point of my statements. :smalltongue:


Sorry LP, it's a side effect of having actual class features on most classes, even if they are usually crappy.

But it gives me fun stuff to trade away when I make archetypes! So many archetypes...:smallfrown:
Yes. Yes. Use your creative feelings, boy. Let the writing flow through you.

[Elricaltovilla]

I just want to write something that isn't an archetype for once. I'm being typecast I tell you!

[LoyalPaladin]

Sorry LP, it's a side effect of having actual class features on most classes, even if they are usually crappy.
I always liked the Paladin class features. You get a bunch of them really fast. So then you can prestige into a more specialized Paladin. Also, CHA is my favorite stat, so...


Hush... you wouldn't want to look like a wimp in front of your friends, would you?
The title of devil has moved from Elric to Snowbluff.


Yes. That was the point of my statements. :smalltongue:
Ahhh. With all this Pathfinder mumbo-jumbo being thrown in I am being confused.

[Elricaltovilla]

I always liked the Paladin class features. You get a bunch of them really fast. So then you can prestige into a more specialized Paladin. Also, CHA is my favorite stat, so...

Yep, the best thing about paladin class features is how many you can trade away.


The title of devil has moved from Elric to Snowbluff.

You know that won't last long, right?

[Snowbluff]

Elric... you could always just write a class. :smalltongue:

I always liked the Paladin class features. You get a bunch of them really fast. So then you can prestige into a more specialized Paladin. Also, CHA is my favorite stat, so...
Needs Iaijutsu master.



The title of devil has moved from Elric to Snowbluff.
Uh oh. You'll fall if you;re so enamored with the devil.
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[Elricaltovilla]

We have to finish PoW:E before I'll get another shot at a base class. The last time I tried it, they made me write class templates, so you can see how well that goes for me.

Prestige classes should be coming soon at least.

[LoyalPaladin]

Yep, the best thing about paladin class features is how many you can trade away.
What is this game of emotions we play!?


You know that won't last long, right?
Consider it a friendly competition.


Needs Iaijutsu master.
I promise, one day I will read that class and figure out how it works.

[Snowbluff]

I promise, one day I will read that class and figure out how it works.

It's simple.

Level 5, Strike from the Void. Add your cha to each die of Iaijutsu damage.

Iaijutsu damage is 1 through 9 extra damage dice, determine by an Iaijutsu Skill Check made after drawing a weapon and attacking a flatfooted foe.

[LoyalPaladin]

It's simple.

Level 5, Strike from the Void. Add your cha to each die of Iaijutsu damage.

Iaijutsu damage is 1 through 9 extra damage dice, determine by an Iaijutsu Skill Check made after drawing a weapon and attacking a flatfooted foe.
Is there a way to gain Iaijutsu Focus as a class skill permanently? Next time I play the level 30 campaign my friend is fond of hosting, I'll play Byakuya and play Sorc 4, Warblade 6, JPM 10, and Iaijutsu master 10. That way I can get lots of good Warblade maneuvers, lots of casting, the ability to spontaneously combust, and hit for tons of damage?

[Snowbluff]

Is there a way to gain Iaijutsu Focus as a class skill permanently? Next time I play the level 30 campaign my friend is fond of hosting, I'll play Byakuya and play Sorc 4, Warblade 6, JPM 10, and Iaijutsu master 10. That way I can get lots of good Warblade maneuvers, lots of casting, the ability to spontaneously combust, and hit for tons of damage?Here you go. (http://brilliantgameologists.com/boards/index.php?topic=6832.0)

[Elricaltovilla]

Is there a way to gain Iaijutsu Focus as a class skill permanently? Next time I play the level 30 campaign my friend is fond of hosting, I'll play Byakuya and play Sorc 4, Warblade 6, JPM 10, and Iaijutsu master 10. That way I can get lots of good Warblade maneuvers, lots of casting, the ability to spontaneously combust, and hit for tons of damage?

Able learner feat?

In pathfinder it just stays a class skill.:smalltongue:

[Snowbluff]

In pathfinder it just stays a class skill.:smalltongue:

In pathfinder it doesn't matter whether or not it's a class skill.

[LoyalPaladin]

Here you go. (http://brilliantgameologists.com/boards/index.php?topic=6832.0)
Soooo that's a no from what I am gathering...


Able learner feat?
I think able learner still counts it as a cross-class skill for determining ranks though doesn't it?

[Elricaltovilla]

In pathfinder it doesn't matter whether or not it's a class skill.

It does in comparison to 3.5 where your choices were "be human and burn a feat" or "suck it up."

[Snowbluff]

Tell that to the people who would have cared. Rogues. The other skills classes that were omitted.

And tell that to the fact that your statement doesn't make a point against mine. Not to mention that Iai is a corner case of grandfathering into 3.5 rather than being a proper part of a system, and the fact that it's not present in PF. IN PF, the choice is "We omitted it."

Or how decidedly unwelcome your Pathfinder ads were in the first place. :l

soooo that's a now from what i am gathering...



o any

aereni focus - player's guide to eberron (p.20)
skill knowledge - ua (for use with ua variant skill system) *check with your dm*



wuuuuuuuuut?

[LoyalPaladin]

Or how decidedly unwelcome your Pathfinder ads were in the first place. :l
Senpai... you do care!
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Side Note:
I declare Snowbluff to be the High Inquisitor of the church of Palladian's anti-Pathfinder branch.

Edit:
Title of devil is now shifted back to Elric.


wuuuuuuuuut?
... I am blind.

[Elricaltovilla]

Tell that to the people who would have cared. Rogues. The other skills classes that were omitted.

And tell that to the fact that your statement doesn't make a point against mine. Not to mention that Iai is a corner case of grandfathering into 3.5 rather than being a proper part of a system, and the fact that it's not present in PF. IN PF, the choice is "We omitted it."

Or how decidedly unwelcome your Pathfinder ads were in the first place. :l




And on that note, it's time for me to take my business elswhere. Let me know when you find your sense of humor again Snowbluff.

[Snowbluff]

Side Note:
I declare Snowbluff to be the High Inquisitor of the church of Palladian's anti-Pathfinder branch.
I will have to decline the offer. I do not wish to gang up on Elric, nor to do I wish to rub in what just happened.


... I am blind.

Oh my... (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-8gS-aWGc38)

[LoyalPaladin]

And on that note, it's time for me to take my business elswhere. Let me know when you find your sense of humor again Snowbluff.
But you're armor advice (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showsinglepost.php?p=19143159&postcount=41) saved my AC!
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I will have to decline the offer. I do not wish to gang up on Elric, nor to do I wish to rub in what just happened.
It's so hard to heal these wounds through a computer... why must lay on hands be a touch ability?!

[Red Fel]

I leave for just a little while, and...


The title of devil has moved from Elric to Snowbluff.

You know that won't last long, right?

Title of devil is now shifted back to Elric.

Right. That's it. Time to get to work.

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[LoyalPaladin]

I leave for just a little while, and...
I thought it was established that the devil was merely an aspect of Fel?

Thread related note:
Would it be strange to shift Iaijutsu Focus to a Perform (Iaijutsu Focus)?

[Snowbluff]

It's so hard to heal these wounds through a computer... why must lay on hands be a touch ability?!

You could just apologize via PM.

[LoyalPaladin]

You could just apologize via PM.
Wait a second! What did I do!?

[Snowbluff]

Wait a second! What did I do!?

This whole nonsense is because you to had a disagreement over PF. It's why he told me to show in the first place.

[LoyalPaladin]

This whole nonsense is because you to had a disagreement over PF. It's why he told me to show in the first place.
Hmm... While the Paladin found this to be friendly banter between playgrounders at the time, if it was the root of all evil in this thread (sans Red Fel), I shall apologize to Elric as well, as his friendship is more important than pride.

[Red Fel]

I thought it was established that the devil was merely an aspect of Fel?

... Better.


Thread related note:
Would it be strange to shift Iaijutsu Focus to a Perform (Iaijutsu Focus)?

Actually, while I don't think Iaijutsu Focus is a Perform skill (and you wouldn't be trying to warp the rules, now would you?) there is a Perform (Weapon Drill). That's a thing. If memory serves, you apply a portion of your BAB to the check, as well as bonuses for certain weapon feats.

But yeah. You really should be looking into PF. It does a lot with a lot of what you're trying to do. And it takes great strides towards making your Favored Class more playable.

[LoyalPaladin]

... Better.
I maxed Diplomacy.


Actually, while I don't think Iaijutsu Focus is a Perform skill (and you wouldn't be trying to warp the rules, now would you?) there is a Perform (Weapon Drill). That's a thing. If memory serves, you apply a portion of your BAB to the check, as well as bonuses for certain weapon feats.
Hahaha. Warping the rules? No... it's a CHA based skill! But I felt like flashily drawing a weapon out as fast as you can would be a preform. I will look into Weapon Drill...


But yeah. You really should be looking into PF. It does a lot with a lot of what you're trying to do. And it takes great strides towards making your Favored Class more playable.
I actually don't have any issues with PF. But I don't have any opportunities to play it.

[Snowbluff]

I actually don't have any issues with PF. But I don't have any opportunities to play it.

Also, change the tag from "Optimization" to "3.5" to avoid this. :smalltongue:

[LoyalPaladin]

Also, change the tag from "Optimization" to "3.5" to avoid this. :smalltongue:
I'm always concerned the "3rd Edition" tag will be misconstrued as "3.0 Only". But, the title has been changed.

I'm going to take what I've learned from this thread so far and work on a suitable 1-30 build. If I have more questions, I will make sure to post them here...

[Sith_Happens]

No... I've ascended beyond Bushido. I've shed the coils of Google and am now much more.

Are you sure you're Byakuya? Because this sounds like a different Bleach character entirely...

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It's better than 3.5 though. By a lot.

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See? For all your 3.5 spellcaster build needs, Pathfinder has the answer.

Fixed that for you.:smalltongue:


Is there a way to gain Iaijutsu Focus as a class skill permanently?

Able Learner feat + one level of any class that has it as one (Factotum is most popular for this).


Would it be strange to shift Iaijutsu Focus to a Perform (Iaijutsu Focus)?

In that doing so would mean you could get people to put money in a hat by drawing and sheathing your sword over and over and over again? A little bit, yes.:smalltongue:

[Snowbluff]

Are you sure you're Byakuya? Because this sounds like a different Bleach character entirely...
Oh, good show. What I was saying all along.
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I don't give you enough credit. You usually have something cool going on but I don't take the time to comment.

[Sith_Happens]

I don't give you enough credit. You usually have something cool going on but I don't take the time to comment.

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[dysprosium]

I know I'm late to the party on this thread but . . .

if you wanted to incorporate any kind of flash stepping I think this guide (http://community.wizards.com/content/forum-topic/3563506) by Tempest Stormwind and Company on the older WotC boards would be an excellent resource to look at.

[LoyalPaladin]

I know I'm late to the party on this thread but . . .

if you wanted to incorporate any kind of flash stepping I think this guide (http://community.wizards.com/content/forum-topic/3563506) by Tempest Stormwind and Company on the older WotC boards would be an excellent resource to look at.
Oh that's cool. I'll add that to my links for this build. We occasionally play short run epic campaigns, and we've resolved that the next game we will all be characters from Bleach. Of course, this will be without informing our DM. Haha.