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Void Bovine
2015-04-30, 05:41 PM
thinking bout making one was liking very much how the spell casting works with them so main questions prestige classes or purest, useful feats other base classes that work well splashed in!

The Viscount
2015-05-02, 03:28 PM
Versatile Spellcaster is veeeery useful for you, since you have a fair number of slots. Dynamic priest is a very solid choice to remove wis dependence. PrCing out is hard because of lack of knowledges. A stop off in Ruathar is likely necessary for Religion for Divine PrCs. It's bland, but it's good.

Fuzzy McCoy
2015-05-02, 03:54 PM
A dip in Cleric\Dread Necro\Death Delver for turn undead and divine metamagic (DMM) shennanigans. DMM works out amazing with Spirit Shaman's way of prep vs casting of spells - you retrieve your spell with the DMM whatever, and because you cast it spontaneously, you get far more uses out of DMM. And because Spirit Shaman follows the same progression as Druid, taking a one level dip doesn't hurt quite as bad as it does for Sorcs, Favored Souls, etc.

Biffoniacus_Furiou
2015-05-02, 04:09 PM
Versatile Spellcaster from Races of the Dragon has already been mentioned, and is worth repeating. It allows you to spend two spell slots of the same level to cast any spell you know of one level higher. You can take Magical Training in PGtF for a spellbook containing a few 0-level spells and the ability to prepare and cast them, which per the Rules Compendium allows you to learn more spells and copy them into your spellbook the same way a Wizard does. You're considered to know every spell in your spellbook, so you can use Versatile Spellcaster to use your Spirit Shaman spell slots and caster level to cast Wizard spells from your spellbook as divine spells.

The Viscount
2015-05-02, 09:01 PM
Divine Metamagic isn't as useful for a spirit shaman as it is for cleric. As it mentions in the description, if you choose to know Persistent Vigor, you can't make any castings of regular Vigor. Furthermore, the way that you select all of your spells known without preparing them means you can't really use DMM the normal way, and it is now very unclear what level slot the DMM spell takes up.

Biffoniacus_Furiou
2015-05-02, 09:30 PM
Divine Metamagic isn't as useful for a spirit shaman as it is for cleric. As it mentions in the description, if you choose to know Persistent Vigor, you can't make any castings of regular Vigor. Furthermore, the way that you select all of your spells known without preparing them means you can't really use DMM the normal way, and it is now very unclear what level slot the DMM spell takes up.

Assuming you mean this:


If a spirit shaman knows any metamagic feats, she applies
them to her spells when she retrieves her spells for the day.
For example, a spirit shaman might choose to retrieve an
empowered flame strike by using a 6th-level spell retrieved
slot. Any time she uses flame strike during the ensuing day,
she must use a 6th-level spell slot to cast it, and it is always
empowered. A spirit shaman could use a 4th-level spell slot
and a 6th-level spell slot to retrieve flame strike and empowered
flame strike if she wanted to have both spells available
to her in a day. A spirit shaman cannot choose to alter her
spells with metamagic feats on the fly, as other spontaneous
casters do. Spirit shamans using metamagic feats do not
have an increased casting time as sorcerers do.

That is a Spirit Shaman's normal application of metamagic. Divine Metamagic is a divine feat, not a metamagic feat, so that does not apply to its application. Normally a prepared caster must choose to prepare his spells with a metamagic feat; he can instead use Divine Metamagic to apply a metamagic feat to a spell that he didn't prepare with a metamagic feat. It's outside the normal rules of how any spellcaster applies metamagic. A Spirit Shaman could retrieve a non-metamagic version of a spell, and still be able to use Divine Metamagic wtih it.

Void Bovine
2015-05-05, 06:55 AM
K cool stuff!

nedz
2015-05-05, 09:29 AM
I quite like
Monk 2 / Spirit Shaman 3 / Seeker of the Misty Isle 9 / ?
Idea is to flurry with a buffed up quarterstaff - so it's a skill based gish type character, which should be quite flexible.
Now it loses 3 caster levels and has mediocre BAB, but very good wilderness / perception / stealth skills.
I was never sure how to finish it though - Ruather 3 is possible, as is more Spirit Shaman.
YMMV